Re: no wiki problem
No Words : Perhaps Your Reply (far-far below) is the Perfect Post to Place on the Wiki's Tombstone ... By the way, 'Bizarre' is a very descriptive ... something . Garry http://www.killmeplease.com No, you are correct, I think that only admins like myself and Matthias may remove a page completely - the page we are talking about is still there. Go to Special pages-All pages to see _all_ pages that are on the wiki. If an admin completely removes a page, however, it won't even appear here and the contents of the page will be lost forever. As for extending the Recent Changes, you can do that yourself by clicking the links at the top of the page. There you can increase the number of changes to show and how old the changes may be. If the numbers presented in there aren't enough, you can modify the URL directly: http://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Special:Recentchangeslimit=500days=300 This will give you the latest 500 changes that are less than 300 days old. I suppose that you can exchange 500 and 300 with any number, within reason. If you don't want to type this in every time, you can bookmark the URL in your browser for easy access. If Matthias, as he is the only one with enough access, were to modify the PHP code of the Mediawiki to add more links on that page, he would make it more difficult to upgrade the wiki when that becomes necessary. It is best to minimise the number of such modifications. Regards, Fredrik Bergholtz P.S. Note that, on the All pages page you can also easily see the duplicate pages I was bitching about a long time ago. I think most of the duplicates are sorted out, but some may still remain. Sorry , I thought only yourself had the means to comp- letely remove a Wiki page . My sincerest apologies . You also make good points about the pro's con's of simply copying info into the Wiki from a site that is in a constant state of being upgraded , without foll- owing the S/W's Doc upgrade timetable . Well , could we not extend the timeframe of the 'Recent Changes' tool ? Not fair in my opinion to have an author wondering who and what and why , without at least some small info about the date thier efforts were wiped out . Of course in theory , anyone can log in and delete the whole site at will , but still , it would be nice to see a few more details concerning particular page histories , I think . Best . Garry www.parkwild.com Who are these non-contributing administrators you speak of? The page wasn't removed by any administrator, contributing or otherwise. The wiki has mainly contained information about RS3D, not easily found in the official manual. The wiki was never intended to be a carbon-copy of the manual since that only raises unnecessary problems of maintaining consistency. Besides, what would be the point of having redundant information on the wiki? Now, to relate to the greeblez! page, the initial page was, in fact, the user-manual for Real Greeblez!. This was ok since, at that time, the script was shipped with no manual and there was no natural home for such a manual. This has changed, Real Greeblez! has a web site of it's own, this site is linked to from the image contest site and wikipedia. The Real Greeblez! script now ships with a manual and a tutorial that shows how to use the script. There is no need for copying the manual to the wiki, in fact, due to consistency problems, its presence on the wiki could, theoretically cause more damage than assistance. This means that the wiki can go back to be about things _not_ explicitly listed in the official manuals. If you want to make a tutorial about performing a specific task, that maybe nobody even thought about using Real Greeblez! for, feel free to make a new page for that. But I do not think that an outdated copy of the manual is helpful at all. As a final note, if you had taken the time to look at the page history you would have noticed that it was Zaug himself who removed the link to the page. And even though anyone can add and remove things from a wiki, I think that the author of the product has a little bit more than others to say about pages concerning his/her product. Regards, Fredrik Bergholtz On 07/09/06, studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my, Oww! That is a quite dated version; apparently composed prior to the complete rewrite/redesign and several additional small changes. It really should be removed if it is not to be updated. In my opinion that would be rather redundant as Real GreebleZ! has had proper, up to date, documentation since May; available at the source. http://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Real_GreebleZ%21 I looked for my page (above) on the wiki some time
3d model to Scale Model
G'day Userlist - Thought it might be of interest to some - have had a physical scale model built off a 3d design. http://www.vrgrafix.com.au/portfolio/LongBch.html End result was really impressive, and complimented the 3d's well. Hopefully the start of some more ;) Ultimately I want to have photos of the final built residence on that page when it gets done too for comparative purposes ;) Regards Bernie VRgrafix
Re: 3d model to Scale Model
Nice work as ever Bernie. But I thought the whole purpose of the RS3D virtual model was so that folk didnt need a physical 3D model ... but then again why not get two lot's of dollars from a client ... it's no wonder I'm poor. Neil Cooke - Original Message - From: Bernie @ VRgrafix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: 3d model to Scale Model G'day Userlist - Thought it might be of interest to some - have had a physical scale model built off a 3d design. http://www.vrgrafix.com.au/portfolio/LongBch.html End result was really impressive, and complimented the 3d's well. Hopefully the start of some more ;) Ultimately I want to have photos of the final built residence on that page when it gets done too for comparative purposes ;) Regards Bernie VRgrafix
Re: 3d model to Scale Model
Neil Cooke wrote: Nice work as ever Bernie. Thanks Neil - But I thought the whole purpose of the RS3D virtual model was so that folk didnt need a physical 3D model There is a certain quality to holding a minature representation of form. It really speaks volumes for the non techincal types. (ie people who cannot read plans) Being able to pull apart a model and look inside a building means they suddenly click as to how it all works. Especially complicated structures like this one where the building is split in 5 seperate places. It does'nt matter how many sections or cutaways you render, having a model explains it all a lot easier. ... but then again why not get two lot's of dollars from a client ... it's no wonder I'm poor. LOL ! Indeed.. there is that too ;) Covering the whole spectrum now from design to prototyping, model, even construction.. ;) Regards Bernie
Re: 3d model to Scale Model
Hi Bernie.. Thx for sharing this.. That real model looks really awesome..! Take Care Best Regards Stefan Gustafsson ( Beg-inner ) A Proud Owner and User of Real3D and Realsoft3D.. G'day Userlist - Thought it might be of interest to some - have had a physical scale model built off a 3d design. http://www.vrgrafix.com.au/portfolio/LongBch.html End result was really impressive, and complimented the 3d's well. Hopefully the start of some more ;) Ultimately I want to have photos of the final built residence on that page when it gets done too for comparative purposes ;) Regards Bernie VRgrafix
Re: no wiki problem
Ok, I will stop talking to you now. Good luck in life. Or not. :| FreBer : Strive to make it easier , not more difficult . It's already so ... so incredibly difficult , this world of 3D creation , getting worse by the moment . My experience with the RS Wiki so far has been worse than trying 'POV by brail' . Of course _YOU_ can navigate easily , but what about the rest of the community ? Mark H. found my page when I could not . You have advise on how to find things that are now lost forever (unless one saves that particular mail) . The whole idea of the Wiki was to preserve vital information and it has failed so miserably at that one simple impetus that your last mail bearing bizzare directives only served to obscure even more . You volunteered your efforts (thanks) but ... open up your fucking mind just a tiny bit and ask what is the potential of the RS Wiki ? When an administrator responds with ridiculous instructions I have no choice but to say shut down the Wiki , at least until the community pushes for more vital info , more easily accesible info . If the community doesn't care ,well , I'll still say , shut it down instead of creating yet another stupid waste of pre- cious time . Garry No, you are correct, I think that only admins like myself and Matthias may remove a page completely - the page we are talking about is still there. Go to Special pages-All pages to see _all_ pages that are on the wiki. If an admin completely removes a page, however, it won't even appear here and the contents of the page will be lost forever. As for extending the Recent Changes, you can do that yourself by clicking the links at the top of the page. There you can increase the number of changes to show and how old the changes may be. If the numbers presented in there aren't enough, you can modify the URL directly: http://rs3dwiki.the-final.info/index.php?title=Special:Recentchangeslimit=500days=300 This will give you the latest 500 changes that are less than 300 days old. I suppose that you can exchange 500 and 300 with any number, within reason. If you don't want to type this in every time, you can bookmark the URL in your browser for easy access. If Matthias, as he is the only one with enough access, were to modify the PHP code of the Mediawiki to add more links on that page, he would make it more difficult to upgrade the wiki when that becomes necessary. It is best to minimise the number of such modifications. Regards, Fredrik Bergholtz P.S. Note that, on the All pages page you can also easily see the duplicate pages I was bitching about a long time ago. I think most of the duplicates are sorted out, but some may still remain. Sorry , I thought only yourself had the means to comp- letely remove a Wiki page . My sincerest apologies . You also make good points about the pro's con's of simply copying info into the Wiki from a site that is in a constant state of being upgraded , without foll- owing the S/W's Doc upgrade timetable . Well , could we not extend the timeframe of the 'Recent Changes' tool ? Not fair in my opinion to have an author wondering who and what and why , without at least some small info about the date thier efforts were wiped out . Of course in theory , anyone can log in and delete the whole site at will , but still , it would be nice to see a few more details concerning particular page histories , I think . Best . Garry www.parkwild.com Who are these non-contributing administrators you speak of? The page wasn't removed by any administrator, contributing or otherwise. The wiki has mainly contained information about RS3D, not easily found in the official manual. The wiki was never intended to be a carbon-copy of the manual since that only raises unnecessary problems of maintaining consistency. Besides, what would be the point of having redundant information on the wiki? Now, to relate to the greeblez! page, the initial page was, in fact, the user-manual for Real Greeblez!. This was ok since, at that time, the script was shipped with no manual and there was no natural home for such a manual. This has changed, Real Greeblez! has a web site of it's own, this site is linked to from the image contest site and wikipedia. The Real Greeblez! script now ships with a manual and a tutorial that shows how to use the script. There is no need for copying the manual to the wiki, in fact, due to consistency problems, its presence on the wiki could, theoretically cause more damage than assistance. This means that the wiki can go back to be about things _not_ explicitly listed in the official manuals. If you want to make a tutorial about
