Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating
I didn't check in here for a while.. still wading through everything said. I think what Realsoft needs is a 100% committed and comprehensive Help/Hands-On Video Tutorial website like (SideFX Houdini) or Caligari trueSpace. I couldn't find ANYWHERE the answers I needed and still I'm reluctant to ask here for help as there is nothing but ranting and raving about s...t .. Frustratingly enough I had to change my production environment to a different 3D software and I'm happy now and can do things the way I want and I get help to my questions on a professional level from committed support staff. Realsoft found a place on my HP external 500 Gigabyte Hard Drive in the folder labeled 3D Museum Many questions couldn't get answered. The Help file is incomplete. Certain subjects in the Help file that require more explanation are stone cold and Google turned out to be not the best answer either. The mailing list so far .. -- From: fre...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:23 AM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating Jean-Sebastien, please stop attacking Boris. We all know how beautiful his models are and how hard he worked at keeping the forum and contest running even when things were slow. It is completely understandable that he got pissed off completely when some individual(s), and I think that I might even be able to guess who, made deliberate assaults on his sites. If the only thing that makes this mailing list vibrant is rants and personal attacks, it will die too. So stop it now or soon we will have no place at all to discuss RS 3D and the topics around it. / Fredrik 2010/3/31 Jean-Sebastien Perron j...@neuroworld.ws: lol ... all I've seen on your website is poor 3D without any quality ... so stop talking and do some quality work. Boris, that is true, I have not worked on any personal project for +5 years now. Most of my work is really getting old now (mostly from 2001-2003). And I look at them today and see where I could have done better. The flamers on forums tends to be people that complain about everything and have never done anything themselves. Have you noticed that there is never ever any professional working in the 3D industry writings on any forums? Hope you have some good pictures to show us Boris. I would really appreciate a constructive comment instead. Example : The lighting in your 3D scenes is very basic, Models are not really detailed, Textures are lowres, Your images look like video game engine from the 90's. Animation is slow and choppy, we can see polygons. Or better : your images would look better if done in RS : ) Poor 3D, how could I improve? Better tell me what should I do to improve. I did some render test for a client once, and he told me that the image looked too real. I had to remove many layers of texture just to get the perfect look. My website dates from 2001 and the tutorials I made were the first to be animated on the net at that time. Now it's common practice. The thing with forums is that it is not for people that are actually using the software. They are busy. It's for the Pixar or Weta wannabe. Their target is too high and they get frustrated quickly. Alone there are limits you can achieve, in animation you cannot expect to be better than Jeff Lew's Killer Bean. Illustration is done 20% 3D 80% Photoshop. New comers cannot expect to magically absorb my 21 years of experience with 3D software. It's time that 3D software users get Real about their project. Better have a not perfect project finished than plenty of perfect project not finished. All my project like Trapped inside my head and Soleil perdu have a delicate balance between quality and time allowed to realize them. Now if you excuse me, I have to go back to my CombadZ coding. I would really appreciate a review of it by you, but this time with a little more comments. I did not meant to offend you in any way Boris, about forums, it's just that I always get flamed on them. The people that I helped the most are the people that have back stabbed me the most. And that always hurt. In the end, you can all go to hell, you need me more than I need you. lol (stupidest final words) Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating
Still, after all the whining, Realsoft is easily the best 3D modeling software for Linux. Anyway, mocking people for their ability to make nice pictures is not very intelligent. I participated in the 3DDart's competitions about 2-3 times, and I didn't do very well, but who cares? The competition was great, but I have to admit I didn't really use the forum at all. I think this mailing list is enough. If someone wants help and he cannot get it from here, I bet my 2 cents he will not get it from any forum either. But what Realsoft could do; they could start a blog about Realsoft or a fan group in Facebook. That would be very interesting (I personally don't use Facebook, but I think I'm an exception). Also I think they should try to expand to volume rendering (voxels), because that way they could really separate themselves from the other 3D modeling programs for Windows too (coming from a guy who is interested in volume rendering methods right now). Anyway, I haven't had the extra money to buy the latest version of RS, but I will upgrade as soon as I have. BR, Jouni
Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating
Hey Jouni, Jouni said: Realsoft is easily the best 3D modeling software for Linux. Dont forget us people on Windows OR MAC who might not share that opinion :D On Windows I would have to disagree with you by a long shot. Where Modelling is concerned apps like MODO and SILO plus add to this ZBRUSH for afters would be a fair bit ahead of RS now. But then thats my opinion from having used them. I own all three .. would love more time with 3D, but with this recession its all hands at the pump and take any work one can. 3D is not my main business - Web Sites, Graphics etc is but now its anything to make cash .. Jouni said: Also I think they should try to expand to volume rendering (voxels), because that way they could really separate themselves from the other 3D modeling programs for Windows too Try the new alpha's of Blender 2.5 - as you know its free AND for a while now has a whole Voxel Setup added for Volume Rendering the likes of Smoke etc. Lightwave has had Voxels for quiet a while too. Cheers Aidan
Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating
still I'm reluctant to ask here for help That's a shame. Interested to know what problems you hit. As with all Forums, we're not all raving egotists ... just me and a couple of others. Lol. Good luck anyway NIK. Neil Cooke On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:15:20 -0700, NIK stockm...@live.com wrote: I didn't check in here for a while.. still wading through everything said. I think what Realsoft needs is a 100% committed and comprehensive Help/Hands-On Video Tutorial website like (SideFX Houdini) or Caligari trueSpace. I couldn't find ANYWHERE the answers I needed and still I'm reluctant to ask here for help as there is nothing but ranting and raving about s...t .. Frustratingly enough I had to change my production environment to a different 3D software and I'm happy now and can do things the way I want and I get help to my questions on a professional level from committed support staff. Realsoft found a place on my HP external 500 Gigabyte Hard Drive in the folder labeled 3D Museum Many questions couldn't get answered. The Help file is incomplete. Certain subjects in the Help file that require more explanation are stone cold and Google turned out to be not the best answer either. The mailing list so far .. -- From: fre...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:23 AM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating Jean-Sebastien, please stop attacking Boris. We all know how beautiful his models are and how hard he worked at keeping the forum and contest running even when things were slow. It is completely understandable that he got pissed off completely when some individual(s), and I think that I might even be able to guess who, made deliberate assaults on his sites. If the only thing that makes this mailing list vibrant is rants and personal attacks, it will die too. So stop it now or soon we will have no place at all to discuss RS 3D and the topics around it. / Fredrik 2010/3/31 Jean-Sebastien Perron j...@neuroworld.ws: lol ... all I've seen on your website is poor 3D without any quality ... so stop talking and do some quality work. Boris, that is true, I have not worked on any personal project for +5 years now. Most of my work is really getting old now (mostly from 2001-2003). And I look at them today and see where I could have done better. The flamers on forums tends to be people that complain about everything and have never done anything themselves. Have you noticed that there is never ever any professional working in the 3D industry writings on any forums? Hope you have some good pictures to show us Boris. I would really appreciate a constructive comment instead. Example : The lighting in your 3D scenes is very basic, Models are not really detailed, Textures are lowres, Your images look like video game engine from the 90's. Animation is slow and choppy, we can see polygons. Or better : your images would look better if done in RS : ) Poor 3D, how could I improve? Better tell me what should I do to improve. I did some render test for a client once, and he told me that the image looked too real. I had to remove many layers of texture just to get the perfect look. My website dates from 2001 and the tutorials I made were the first to be animated on the net at that time. Now it's common practice. The thing with forums is that it is not for people that are actually using the software. They are busy. It's for the Pixar or Weta wannabe. Their target is too high and they get frustrated quickly. Alone there are limits you can achieve, in animation you cannot expect to be better than Jeff Lew's Killer Bean. Illustration is done 20% 3D 80% Photoshop. New comers cannot expect to magically absorb my 21 years of experience with 3D software. It's time that 3D software users get Real about their project. Better have a not perfect project finished than plenty of perfect project not finished. All my project like Trapped inside my head and Soleil perdu have a delicate balance between quality and time allowed to realize them. Now if you excuse me, I have to go back to my CombadZ coding. I would really appreciate a review of it by you, but this time with a little more comments. I did not meant to offend you in any way Boris, about forums, it's just that I always get flamed on them. The people that I helped the most are the people that have back stabbed me the most. And that always hurt. In the end, you can all go to hell, you need me more than I need you. lol (stupidest final words) Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating
I read the mailing list to keep me entertained Thanks, Neil -- From: n...@neilcookegraphics.co.nz Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:09 PM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating still I'm reluctant to ask here for help That's a shame. Interested to know what problems you hit. As with all Forums, we're not all raving egotists ... just me and a couple of others. Lol. Good luck anyway NIK. Neil Cooke On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:15:20 -0700, NIK stockm...@live.com wrote: I didn't check in here for a while.. still wading through everything said. I think what Realsoft needs is a 100% committed and comprehensive Help/Hands-On Video Tutorial website like (SideFX Houdini) or Caligari trueSpace. I couldn't find ANYWHERE the answers I needed and still I'm reluctant to ask here for help as there is nothing but ranting and raving about s...t .. Frustratingly enough I had to change my production environment to a different 3D software and I'm happy now and can do things the way I want and I get help to my questions on a professional level from committed support staff. Realsoft found a place on my HP external 500 Gigabyte Hard Drive in the folder labeled 3D Museum Many questions couldn't get answered. The Help file is incomplete. Certain subjects in the Help file that require more explanation are stone cold and Google turned out to be not the best answer either. The mailing list so far .. -- From: fre...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:23 AM To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating Jean-Sebastien, please stop attacking Boris. We all know how beautiful his models are and how hard he worked at keeping the forum and contest running even when things were slow. It is completely understandable that he got pissed off completely when some individual(s), and I think that I might even be able to guess who, made deliberate assaults on his sites. If the only thing that makes this mailing list vibrant is rants and personal attacks, it will die too. So stop it now or soon we will have no place at all to discuss RS 3D and the topics around it. / Fredrik 2010/3/31 Jean-Sebastien Perron j...@neuroworld.ws: lol ... all I've seen on your website is poor 3D without any quality ... so stop talking and do some quality work. Boris, that is true, I have not worked on any personal project for +5 years now. Most of my work is really getting old now (mostly from 2001-2003). And I look at them today and see where I could have done better. The flamers on forums tends to be people that complain about everything and have never done anything themselves. Have you noticed that there is never ever any professional working in the 3D industry writings on any forums? Hope you have some good pictures to show us Boris. I would really appreciate a constructive comment instead. Example : The lighting in your 3D scenes is very basic, Models are not really detailed, Textures are lowres, Your images look like video game engine from the 90's. Animation is slow and choppy, we can see polygons. Or better : your images would look better if done in RS : ) Poor 3D, how could I improve? Better tell me what should I do to improve. I did some render test for a client once, and he told me that the image looked too real. I had to remove many layers of texture just to get the perfect look. My website dates from 2001 and the tutorials I made were the first to be animated on the net at that time. Now it's common practice. The thing with forums is that it is not for people that are actually using the software. They are busy. It's for the Pixar or Weta wannabe. Their target is too high and they get frustrated quickly. Alone there are limits you can achieve, in animation you cannot expect to be better than Jeff Lew's Killer Bean. Illustration is done 20% 3D 80% Photoshop. New comers cannot expect to magically absorb my 21 years of experience with 3D software. It's time that 3D software users get Real about their project. Better have a not perfect project finished than plenty of perfect project not finished. All my project like Trapped inside my head and Soleil perdu have a delicate balance between quality and time allowed to realize them. Now if you excuse me, I have to go back to my CombadZ coding. I would really appreciate a review of it by you, but this time with a little more comments. I did not meant to offend you in any way Boris, about forums, it's just that I always get flamed on them. The people that I helped the most are the people that have back stabbed me the most. And that always hurt. In the end, you can all go to hell, you need me more than I need you. lol (stupidest final words) Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating
lol ... all I've seen on your website is poor 3D without any quality ... so stop talking and do some quality work. Sorry for the forum, I don't remember it ever existed. Why would I go there? Ask questions no one will be able to answer. If someone send me a private e-mail, I will take the time to help him. I paid for Realsoft, because the features were interesting. The features are working, I am happy customer. The features are not working, I contact RS directly and they solve the problem. Community is only for chatting about RS, 3D and new techniques. The software is working, you cannot complain. You are unable to create your vision in RS, but the software is working, you cannot complain. There is a manual + reference and everything is in there. Anything else can be found on many books about 3D, tutorials and DVD. For example a perfect skin shader can be found in Renderman Shading books. You can then recreate them with the VSL. http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1598632868/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=485327511pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripepf_rd_t=201pf_rd_i=0201508680pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQBpf_rd_r=0C7R41SMX7HH1EZWG125 PS : perfect skin shader is worth nothing if the model and lighting is not perfect : ) A 3D tutorial for maya or blender will work for RS and vice versa. In the big studios, things are not always working as expected. Software does not always react as supposed to. They don't have the time to blame the software, they find a bypass or another way to do it. Only the user can be blamed for poor result. Like I said many times, I could do anything I ever wanted with RS version 1.0 : RS7 is only bonus. I feel by reading some users post that they want someone else to do everything for them. 3D is not a step by step. Find the way to get the shot you want with your imagination. RS has the potential to do everything you could ever imagine, maybe not with a magic button like softimage. RS attract technical people more than artistic people, maybe this is the problem. RS is not responsible to make you create fantastic images, they provide only the tool. Now with the incredible Avatar movie, new RS users will pop up with the dream of doing the same thing. RS can do an Aatar movie, but with 500 expert cg artists. Carrara, Bryce and Poser website is full of beautiful images, probably better than most created with RS. And yet no professionals are using these softwares. Why other easy stupid software create better images? They have a magic button to create beautiful images, but they don't provide the tools to create YOUR visions. They are only good at creating beautiful images of a naked woman in a shiny landscape, nothing else. Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
Re: [english 100%] Stop whining; Start creating
lol ... all I've seen on your website is poor 3D without any quality ... so stop talking and do some quality work. Boris, that is true, I have not worked on any personal project for +5 years now. Most of my work is really getting old now (mostly from 2001-2003). And I look at them today and see where I could have done better. The flamers on forums tends to be people that complain about everything and have never done anything themselves. Have you noticed that there is never ever any professional working in the 3D industry writings on any forums? Hope you have some good pictures to show us Boris. I would really appreciate a constructive comment instead. Example : The lighting in your 3D scenes is very basic, Models are not really detailed, Textures are lowres, Your images look like video game engine from the 90's. Animation is slow and choppy, we can see polygons. Or better : your images would look better if done in RS : ) Poor 3D, how could I improve? Better tell me what should I do to improve. I did some render test for a client once, and he told me that the image looked too real. I had to remove many layers of texture just to get the perfect look. My website dates from 2001 and the tutorials I made were the first to be animated on the net at that time. Now it's common practice. The thing with forums is that it is not for people that are actually using the software. They are busy. It's for the Pixar or Weta wannabe. Their target is too high and they get frustrated quickly. Alone there are limits you can achieve, in animation you cannot expect to be better than Jeff Lew's Killer Bean. Illustration is done 20% 3D 80% Photoshop. New comers cannot expect to magically absorb my 21 years of experience with 3D software. It's time that 3D software users get Real about their project. Better have a not perfect project finished than plenty of perfect project not finished. All my project like Trapped inside my head and Soleil perdu have a delicate balance between quality and time allowed to realize them. Now if you excuse me, I have to go back to my CombadZ coding. I would really appreciate a review of it by you, but this time with a little more comments. I did not meant to offend you in any way Boris, about forums, it's just that I always get flamed on them. The people that I helped the most are the people that have back stabbed me the most. And that always hurt. In the end, you can all go to hell, you need me more than I need you. lol (stupidest final words) Jean-Sebastien Perron www.NeuroWorld.ws
