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Re: Is cocoon dead ?
Francesco, I observe this list for years now (since I started using Cocon 2.1). And I recongnized some activities, especially from you. But since a couple of years I'm using a) a different technology (JSF) for my web pages and b) I'm waiting for Cocoon 3.0 to become ready. Even there are some acitivies, it seems to be a never ending story. I guess it would be helpfull to schedule some dates for beta and release. If it is so much to do right now, maybe this version might be feature-reduced and some of the planned features will be postponed to a version 3.1? Otherwise I'm afraid this project is dead - even though there are some activities. If your horse is dead, don't try to ride it anymore. Change the horse. (similar to Dakota saying) Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, Michael Müller Am 10.11.2012 14:00, schrieb Francesco Chicchiriccò: Hi all, I think e-mails like the one below are not helpful at all. First of all, even though most of critical aspects of our current situation are reported, some things are barely wrong: down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a half old Open your favorite browser at http://cocoon.apache.org/ and read that latest two news are dated July 2nd and March 3rd 2012 When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to talk about it (except others desperate for information about some aspect of C2); Just browse http://cocoon.markmail.org and judge by yourself whether this is true or not. There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old. Just point again your favorite browser to http://www.apache.org/dist/cocoon/ and you will see that Cocoon 2.1.11 was released on Jan 14th 2008. Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to complete it keep asking others to do that. This is absolutely false for C2.X and only partially true for C3. Beware, I am not stating that the Cocoon status is healthy, new releases with bugfixes and new features are regularly made available and documentation is accurate and complete. I am only trying to look at the Cocoon project for what it is *today*: a project with: * very few active committers * almost no occasional contributors * still a lot of interested people: most because they are running an ancient Cocoon version, few because they've heard of Cocoon only recently In my opinion, a dead project is a project in which no one is interested, and Cocoon is not (yet?) that far. Remembering that Cocoon - like as any other project at ASF - is exclusively made up by volunteer contribution, I'd rather start a [DISCUSS] thread to see what needs to be done and who is available to help instead of such acid and unproductive e-mails. WDYT? Regards. On 08/11/2012 15:10, Mark H. Wood wrote: I'm not surprised at all. Looking 3cm. down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a half old. When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to talk about it (except others desperate for information about some aspect of C2); one is told to use C3. C3 has been alpha for perhaps two years -- there is as yet no beta, let alone a release. There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old. Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to complete it keep asking others to do that. Bugs with patches attached languish for years. Seemingly everyone using Cocoon is running a unique local version with scads of patches that are passed around like ancient lore. Why would anyone think Cocoon is dead? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Is cocoon dead ?
Bart, If you guess, Maven is a problem, I second you. Maven might be great from the developer's view. But a poor (cocoon) user perfers just a simple setup. Thus Maven might scare users - and it did, when I tried the new version apx. 5 or 6 years ago. But from my point of view, tinker on a new realease for such a long time, is the really problem. Cocoon 2 is mainly in maintenance state. Some users still run it, thus there are some activities. Activities for Cocoon are much to little. Neither beta version nor a release is on the horizon. If this can't be changed soon, I'll predict Cocoon (3) to die. Just my 2 cents... Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, Michael Müller Am 11.11.2012 21:20, schrieb Bart Remmerie: Just being critical analytical: where die we observe the big drop in community activity ? Switch to Maven move from 2.1.11 to next version ? (just a guess) = What can we learn from this ? Bart Remmerie Op 11-nov.-2012 om 18:13 heeft Michael Müller michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de het volgende geschreven: Francesco, I observe this list for years now (since I started using Cocon 2.1). And I recongnized some activities, especially from you. But since a couple of years I'm using a) a different technology (JSF) for my web pages and b) I'm waiting for Cocoon 3.0 to become ready. Even there are some acitivies, it seems to be a never ending story. I guess it would be helpfull to schedule some dates for beta and release. If it is so much to do right now, maybe this version might be feature-reduced and some of the planned features will be postponed to a version 3.1? Otherwise I'm afraid this project is dead - even though there are some activities. If your horse is dead, don't try to ride it anymore. Change the horse. (similar to Dakota saying) Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, Michael Müller Am 10.11.2012 14:00, schrieb Francesco Chicchiriccò: Hi all, I think e-mails like the one below are not helpful at all. First of all, even though most of critical aspects of our current situation are reported, some things are barely wrong: down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a half old Open your favorite browser at http://cocoon.apache.org/ and read that latest two news are dated July 2nd and March 3rd 2012 When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to talk about it (except others desperate for information about some aspect of C2); Just browse http://cocoon.markmail.org and judge by yourself whether this is true or not. There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old. Just point again your favorite browser to http://www.apache.org/dist/cocoon/ and you will see that Cocoon 2.1.11 was released on Jan 14th 2008. Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to complete it keep asking others to do that. This is absolutely false for C2.X and only partially true for C3. Beware, I am not stating that the Cocoon status is healthy, new releases with bugfixes and new features are regularly made available and documentation is accurate and complete. I am only trying to look at the Cocoon project for what it is *today*: a project with: * very few active committers * almost no occasional contributors * still a lot of interested people: most because they are running an ancient Cocoon version, few because they've heard of Cocoon only recently In my opinion, a dead project is a project in which no one is interested, and Cocoon is not (yet?) that far. Remembering that Cocoon - like as any other project at ASF - is exclusively made up by volunteer contribution, I'd rather start a [DISCUSS] thread to see what needs to be done and who is available to help instead of such acid and unproductive e-mails. WDYT? Regards. On 08/11/2012 15:10, Mark H. Wood wrote: I'm not surprised at all. Looking 3cm. down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a half old. When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to talk about it (except others desperate for information about some aspect of C2); one is told to use C3. C3 has been alpha for perhaps two years -- there is as yet no beta, let alone a release. There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old. Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to complete it keep asking others to do that. Bugs with patches attached languish for years. Seemingly everyone using Cocoon is running a unique local version with scads of patches that are passed around like ancient lore. Why would anyone think Cocoon is dead? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Is cocoon dead ?
...Activities for Cocoon 3 are much to little... Missing 3 in my contribution. Just for clarification. Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, Michael Müller Am 11.11.2012 21:42, schrieb Michael Müller: Bart, If you guess, Maven is a problem, I second you. Maven might be great from the developer's view. But a poor (cocoon) user perfers just a simple setup. Thus Maven might scare users - and it did, when I tried the new version apx. 5 or 6 years ago. But from my point of view, tinker on a new realease for such a long time, is the really problem. Cocoon 2 is mainly in maintenance state. Some users still run it, thus there are some activities. Activities for Cocoon are much to little. Neither beta version nor a release is on the horizon. If this can't be changed soon, I'll predict Cocoon (3) to die. Just my 2 cents... Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, Michael Müller Am 11.11.2012 21:20, schrieb Bart Remmerie: Just being critical analytical: where die we observe the big drop in community activity ? Switch to Maven move from 2.1.11 to next version ? (just a guess) = What can we learn from this ? Bart Remmerie Op 11-nov.-2012 om 18:13 heeft Michael Müller michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de het volgende geschreven: Francesco, I observe this list for years now (since I started using Cocon 2.1). And I recongnized some activities, especially from you. But since a couple of years I'm using a) a different technology (JSF) for my web pages and b) I'm waiting for Cocoon 3.0 to become ready. Even there are some acitivies, it seems to be a never ending story. I guess it would be helpfull to schedule some dates for beta and release. If it is so much to do right now, maybe this version might be feature-reduced and some of the planned features will be postponed to a version 3.1? Otherwise I'm afraid this project is dead - even though there are some activities. If your horse is dead, don't try to ride it anymore. Change the horse. (similar to Dakota saying) Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, Michael Müller Am 10.11.2012 14:00, schrieb Francesco Chicchiriccò: Hi all, I think e-mails like the one below are not helpful at all. First of all, even though most of critical aspects of our current situation are reported, some things are barely wrong: down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a half old Open your favorite browser at http://cocoon.apache.org/ and read that latest two news are dated July 2nd and March 3rd 2012 When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to talk about it (except others desperate for information about some aspect of C2); Just browse http://cocoon.markmail.org and judge by yourself whether this is true or not. There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old. Just point again your favorite browser to http://www.apache.org/dist/cocoon/ and you will see that Cocoon 2.1.11 was released on Jan 14th 2008. Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to complete it keep asking others to do that. This is absolutely false for C2.X and only partially true for C3. Beware, I am not stating that the Cocoon status is healthy, new releases with bugfixes and new features are regularly made available and documentation is accurate and complete. I am only trying to look at the Cocoon project for what it is *today*: a project with: * very few active committers * almost no occasional contributors * still a lot of interested people: most because they are running an ancient Cocoon version, few because they've heard of Cocoon only recently In my opinion, a dead project is a project in which no one is interested, and Cocoon is not (yet?) that far. Remembering that Cocoon - like as any other project at ASF - is exclusively made up by volunteer contribution, I'd rather start a [DISCUSS] thread to see what needs to be done and who is available to help instead of such acid and unproductive e-mails. WDYT? Regards. On 08/11/2012 15:10, Mark H. Wood wrote: I'm not surprised at all. Looking 3cm. down the same page you find the next most recent news is a year and a half old. When people ask about C2.x (and the latest released version is 2.2) nobody wants to talk about it (except others desperate for information about some aspect of C2); one is told to use C3. C3 has been alpha for perhaps two years -- there is as yet no beta, let alone a release. There are no books on anything later than 2.1, which is about a decade old. Perhaps 80% of the official documentation is either TBW or skeletal, and the only people who know the inside of Cocoon well enough to complete it keep asking others to do that. Bugs with patches attached languish for years. Seemingly everyone using Cocoon is running a unique local version with scads of patches that are passed around like ancient lore. Why would anyone
Roadmap Cocoon 3.0
Hello, currently the roadmap only includes functionality, but no dates. When will 3.0 Beta be available? When 3.0 release? Hopefully before 2020 ;-) -- Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards, Michael Müller - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Cocoon 2.2
Hi, I wanted to try tgis today. But it's no war file for downloading. Just a description for something i don't know. Do I have to learn about Maven first? That's what I didn't want to do. I like to install Coccon and start over re-building my site. Is there no way to do this without Maven knowledge? Is there any tutorial? :( Michael Michael Müller schrieb: Job, haven't seen this before. Thanks. I'll try it after these days... Michael Job van Ommen schrieb: Hello Michael, Have you looked at http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/maven-plugin/1.0/deploy-war-mojo.html already? Cheers, Job On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Michael Müller michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de mailto:michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de wrote: Hi together, I just want to re-deploy my web site using cocoon 2.2. But there is no cocoon war file. What do I hav to do to create this from the sources? Is there any tutorial? I haven't found any make and install :( If i need an ide, I'm using netbeans. Thx. And greatings of the season! Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org mailto:users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org mailto:users-h...@cocoon.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Cocoon 2.2
Hi together, I just want to re-deploy my web site using cocoon 2.2. But there is no cocoon war file. What do I hav to do to create this from the sources? Is there any tutorial? I haven't found any make and install :( If i need an ide, I'm using netbeans. Thx. And greatings of the season! Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
Re: Cocoon 2.2
Job, haven't seen this before. Thanks. I'll try it after these days... Michael Job van Ommen schrieb: Hello Michael, Have you looked at http://cocoon.apache.org/2.2/maven-plugins/maven-plugin/1.0/deploy-war-mojo.html already? Cheers, Job On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Michael Müller michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de mailto:michael.muel...@mueller-bruehl.de wrote: Hi together, I just want to re-deploy my web site using cocoon 2.2. But there is no cocoon war file. What do I hav to do to create this from the sources? Is there any tutorial? I haven't found any make and install :( If i need an ide, I'm using netbeans. Thx. And greatings of the season! Michael - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org mailto:users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org mailto:users-h...@cocoon.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@cocoon.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@cocoon.apache.org
