[libreoffice-users] Re: record changes weakness compared to m$

2012-12-20 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 20/12/2012 00:19, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :

Hi Dennis,

 
 This requirement seems to emerge from users in public administration, 
 somewhat akin to the use in law firms.
 

I can certainly second the law firm requirement, and as a lawyer that
also has to work with French public administrations that don't use ODF,
tracking and recording changes in Word documents is often problematic.

Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Referring to an input list variable

2012-12-20 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 19/12/2012 20:24, Michael Nachtigal a écrit :

Hi Michael,



 I'm trying to create a form that does two (main) things: Lets the user
 select one of two options, and depending on which option is selected,
 certain sections of the form will appear or disappear (be hidden). I
 originally tried to do this with proper form controls, but learned there
 is no way to refer to form field values like variables, is this correct?

This is something I would be interested in too, but haven't got around
to trying. The only way I know of taking a value from e.g. a list or
combobox from a form element and then using that value to display or
hide another part of the document would be via macro.


 
 So, I resorted to using variables, and now I'm just trying to consult
 the value of an input list variable, but cannot figure out how to do so.
 Could anyone help me with this?

Can't help you there, unless you are using one of the user variable
fields that are accessible in the document's properties.

 
 Moreoever, in the sections to be displayed conditionally, if I wish to
 include variables, those must be hidden sections or hidden paragraphs,
 but not conditional text, right?

From what I understand to be possible, you can make you section
conditional on the value of a variable, there's a little tick box for
that when you create a new section. However, I've not done it or tried
it, so I'm going on the basis of a recent discussion on the French
mailing list where a similar question was asked.

Alex




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base scenario

2012-12-20 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 18/12/12 12:04, Ian Whitfield a écrit :

Hi Ian,

 On my Main Membership Form I have added a button to bring-up the eMail
 SubForm. (I have this part working!) But what I see as the best way to
 do the last step is to add a ListBox named Find Member to the SubForm
 and this will read from a Query holding the concatanated First Name and
 Surname of each Member and that Member's ID Key. Once these are inserted
 into the SubForm it will extract all the relative eMails, sort them into
 date order and display them.

What do you mean exactly by inserted into the Subform ? Your e-mail
subform just contains e-mails, or does it hold something else ? I
imagine that there is a foreign key reference to the member in the
e-mail table ? I'm a bit confused about what you're trying to achieve here.


 
 So - Questions and Advice please on the following...
 
  * Is this the right way to approach this requirement?
  * Will the Query update automatically each time it is called so as to
pick-up new eMails?
  * How do I make the ListBox 'read' the results of the Query?
  * How do I make these results automatically insert into their
respective fields on the SubForm?
  * How do I make the SubForm do the sort as a final step? (Maybe a
'Sort' Button??)

As far as I can see, the only way to achieve what you want to do is via
macros, as it looks like you want to retrieve a dataset from a filter or
query, and then inject part of the information from that dataset into
another table ?


Alex






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Re: [libreoffice-users] record changes weakness compared to m$

2012-12-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)  


That is the way we do our newsletter at work.  I use LO to pull together 
articles written by various different people using different programs (sadly 
mostly just different versions of MSO).  When we used Word for our newsletter 
it took ages to sort out all the strange and different messes that people 
made.  With LO it's easy to just paste in as unformatted and then apply 
suitable styles to keep all the articles consistent with each other.  That Alt 
arrow trick has been a huge help in making this latest one MUCH better but even 
before that LO was a huge help in getting a superior output more quickly.  
Then my boss prints a copy and marks changes he wants in biro.  I make them and 
then print another copy for my other boss to make more changes in biro.  Then 
he confers with the 1st boss and then the 1st boss tells me the changes the 
other one wanted.  

Track changes could possibly be a lot more efficient imo but only if it works 
across the LO/MSO divide.  Still it's 3 months until i have to worry about it 
again and that typically means huge improvements in LO.  

Regards from
Tom :)  







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Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 7:49
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] record changes weakness compared to m$
 
On 19/12/2012, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have never seen anyone use this feature in MSO (or LO). IMHO most
 people find the it confusing or annoying. What seemed to work best for
 most collaborative documents was to have one person be responsible for
 final edits after getting input from all the others and the other
 participants be responsible for a section of the document.

In this case, LO could be used by the responsible person to distribute
odf documents and then do final editing. Possible, but not as
time-efficient as the software code environment whereby version
control is used, to allow simultaneous editing of code. It would be
nice if LO allowed version control (e.g. integration with a client
such as ultravnc).

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[libreoffice-users] huge print jobs for MS Publisher Imagesetter printer

2012-12-20 Thread Anna Martynova
Hello.

I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I print
to printer that is configured with driver MS Publisher Imagesetter,
sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used Print to
file option.
For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 megabytes
print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
broken link to image (copied from web browser).
If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable (less
than 1 megabyte).

Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send it
to terminal client's printer).

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] huge print jobs for MS Publisher Imagesetter printer

2012-12-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I thought it was just me not understanding printers and having set-up ours 
badly in GnuLinux but i might have had a similar issue with a Ricoh 
photocopier.  My company paid 'an expert' for about 2 hours on 2 separate 
occasions to set-up the Ricoh for Windows.  So, i figured it was just me and 
our amazing printer.  

Now that i think about it i haven't tried printing from any other program so it 
could possibly be partly a LO issue.  

Which OS are you using btw?  I would assume Windows but with the rise of mobile 
platforms that is never certain these days.  
Regards from
Tom :)  







 From: Anna Martynova terrible.br...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 13:12
Subject: [libreoffice-users] huge print jobs for MS Publisher Imagesetter 
printer
 
Hello.

I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I print
to printer that is configured with driver MS Publisher Imagesetter,
sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used Print to
file option.
For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 megabytes
print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
broken link to image (copied from web browser).
If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable (less
than 1 megabyte).

Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send it
to terminal client's printer).

Thanks in advance.

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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice no longer works with Windows 1252 encoding ?

2012-12-20 Thread Fernand Vanrie

Maybe not the right forum ?
but is this new encoding behaviour intentional or a issue ?
since 3.6.3 LO no longer shows correctly non-standard-ascii characters 
with text imported from a database using Windows 1252 encoding(during 
the import), UTF-8 encoding now works fine but gives problems when 
exporting to PDF.


Older an recent files with text imported with a Windows 1252 encoding 
give problems when exporting to PDF,
Some fonts like Futura Sdt (Opentype)  has only  the  Latin 1252 code 
page and do not shows up when opening in a standard PDF viewer an do not 
print when using a PDF engine.
the Adobe Viewers gives the famous  error Can not extract the embedded 
fond 'FA+FuturaStdMedium' some characters
We found this behaviour  on Windows XP machines, PDF exported on Windows 
7 do not have this problem ?


The faulty PDF export is a regression starting from  LO 3.6.3 and also 
present in LO 3.4 beta.


ok: Window XP is a ending story, but maybe someone has the same problems 
with non-Windows machines


Greetz

Fernand




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base scenario

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Whitfield

On 12/20/2012 01:52 PM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
What do you mean exactly by inserted into the Subform ? Your e-mail 
subform just contains e-mails, or does it hold something else ? I 
imagine that there is a foreign key reference to the member in the 
e-mail table ? I'm a bit confused about what you're trying to achieve 
here.

So - Questions and Advice please on the following...

  * Is this the right way to approach this requirement?
  * Will the Query update automatically each time it is called so as to
pick-up new eMails?
  * How do I make the ListBox 'read' the results of the Query?
  * How do I make these results automatically insert into their
respective fields on the SubForm?
  * How do I make the SubForm do the sort as a final step? (Maybe a
'Sort' Button??)

As far as I can see, the only way to achieve what you want to do is via
macros, as it looks like you want to retrieve a dataset from a filter or
query, and then inject part of the information from that dataset into
another table ?


Thanks for the feed-back Alex - appreciated!!

OK - I have two Tables (Members and eMails). The Main Form brings up 
the Members Table with a button to pop-up a sub-Form with eMails that 
the Member has sent or I have sent to him/her. (This part I have working 
but at the moment it brings up ALL eMails!!)


The second Form is for me to enter the eMails into the eMail Table. For 
this I need to be able to select the Member to get the Key ID so that 
only the eMails to and from the Member are found later for the pop-up 
Sub Form on the Main Form. Once I have selected the correct member it 
would be good to extract other needed fields from the Members Table to 
go into the eMails Form as well. (On reflection -  -  I think this last 
step could be done away with provided I can at least get the Member's ID 
Key out of the Members Table and insert it into the eMail Form as the 
Foreign Key).


Thanks for your help and I hope this makes it clearer what I'm trying to do.

IanW
Pretoria RSA


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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice runs on the Raspberry Pi, with the right license

2012-12-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Just in case anyone here is not on the announce list i just thought you might 
like to know that LO runs on a machine that is about as small as the smallest 
mobile phones, possibly even smaller.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





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Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 11:13
Subject: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice runs on the Raspberry Pi, with the right 
license
 
The full fledged free office suite is available on the credit card sized
single-board computer developed by the Raspberry Pi Foundation

Cambridge (UK) and Berlin (Germany), December 20, 2012 - The Raspberry
Pi Foundation (http://www.raspberrypi.org/) and The Document Foundation
(http://www.documentfoundation.org/) announce the availability of the
full fledged version of LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) on the
Raspberry Pi, the credit-card sized computer created with the intention
of stimulating the teaching of basic computer science in schools. The
Raspberry Pi is a little PC which plugs into a TV and a keyboard and can
be used for many of the things that most desktop PC can do, like
spreadsheets, word-processing and games.

LibreOffice is the first comprehensive office suite to run on a 40
dollar credit card sized PC, without any compromise on features and
performances. LibreOffice has been ported to ARM by multiple
contributors from Canonical, Debian and RedHat, and was packaged for the
Raspberry Pi by Rene Engelhard as a part of his work as the Debian
maintainer for LibreOffice.

The availability of LibreOffice, the best free office suite ever, on
the Raspberry Pi - the most affordable PC ever, targeted to hardware and
software enthusiasts, and schools - is extremely important for The
Document Foundation, because it will contribute to the growth of the
brand awareness in key market segments, comments Bjoern Michaelsen, a
Canonical developer and a deputy member of the Board of Directors of The
Document Foundation.

I'm very impressed that the LibreOffice team didn't have to make any
changes to the code in order for it to compile and smoothly run on
Raspberry Pi, said Eben Upton from the Raspberry Pi Foundation. It's
also great to have a comprehensive office suite available in the Pi
Store at launch, making people even more aware of the potential of this
device.

LibreOffice is available from the Raspberry Pi Store
(http://store.raspberrypi.com/projects/libreoffice), which is described
here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2768 (including instructions
on how to install it). Raspberry Pi Foundation announcement press
release is here: http://blog.indiecity.com/?page_id=2269.

UPDATE (December 20, 2012): The license blurb has been fixed, and it now
links to the LGPLv3 text.

About the Raspberry Pi

The Raspberry Pi is a tiny computer, designed to fit in a pocket, and
cheap enough to be bought with pocket money. It was developed by the
not-for-profit Raspberry Pi Foundation in Cambridge to help children
engage with computer programming, and has won dozens of awards in its
first year of release. Additional information at http://www.raspberrypi.org.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

2012-12-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks :)  It is this sort of improving co-operation between different products 
that i really like about OpenSource.  

Imo It beats  having 1 massively bloated program with tons of features that 
almost no-one ever uses and that ends up with those features creating problems 
or deteriorating due to changes elsewhere in the program.  Just split 
functionality off into programs (or in some cases just add-ons) that can have a 
dedicated community that are able to get on with developing things themselves 
without having to ask people that deal with completely unrelated functionality 
if they can have permission.  

Regards from
Tom :)







 From: John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 6:59
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically 
aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic 
style)
 
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:06:00 + (GMT)
Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk dijo:

Wow!!  Errr, is that something that LaTex or Scribus might be better
at?  If so can they read and work with the output from LO? 

TeX, LaTeX, and their family can certainly do footnotes. However, I
don't think they are as capable at importing LO/OOo text as Scribus is.

Scribus will directly import text from Writer, and preserve styles in
the process. You can even map the Writer styles to Scribus styles if
you want. Scribus works very well with LO/OOo.

However, the current stable version of Scribus (1.41) lacks footnotes
and tables, although they are on the roadmap for the next release. As
for footnotes, however, Scribus will preserve the superscripts in the
text, and will convert the text of the footnotes to endnotes. After
importing the text to Scribus you can cut the endnotes off the end of
the story and paste in as a new story. The new story can be manually
threaded to text frames at the bottom of the appropriate pages. Unless
you have a gazillion footnotes, this works very well.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base scenario

2012-12-20 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 20/12/12 14:46, Ian Whitfield a écrit :

 Thanks for the feed-back Alex - appreciated!!
 
 OK - I have two Tables (Members and eMails). The Main Form brings up
 the Members Table with a button to pop-up a sub-Form with eMails that
 the Member has sent or I have sent to him/her. (This part I have working
 but at the moment it brings up ALL eMails!!)


If your main form already contains the ID of the member, why don't you
use the member ID as a filter criteria for your email form ?

In form edit mode of your email subform, click on the form properties
button, and then click on the three dots button to the right of the
Filter field. This opens a filter dialog, where you can enter a Named
Parameter for your filter, e.g.

MemberID = :ID

If you then save this Filter criteria, you will notice that the Filter
field has been filled. You can then quit the Form Properties dialog and
save your form.

When you open your email subform, you will be asked to provide the ID of
the member and the form will filter the results on the basis of that ID.


 
 The second Form is for me to enter the eMails into the eMail Table. For
 this I need to be able to select the Member to get the Key ID so that
 only the eMails to and from the Member are found later for the pop-up
 Sub Form on the Main Form. Once I have selected the correct member it
 would be good to extract other needed fields from the Members Table to
 go into the eMails Form as well. (On reflection -  -  I think this last
 step could be done away with provided I can at least get the Member's ID
 Key out of the Members Table and insert it into the eMail Form as the
 Foreign Key).

For this, you probably need to go and check out the OOo users forum and
ask your question there, this kind of question has been asked there many
times before and will probably require a macro.

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

2012-12-20 Thread Dan Lewis

On 12/19/2012 11:18 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 00:14 20/12/2012 +0800, Nobody Noname wrote:
... there is a thing that, if we cannot strictly to define as a BUG, 
is, at least, a  defect regarding the right typography.  I mean the 
behavior of footnotes versus the text body contained in subsequent 
pages.  professionally formatted books, look like this [...] as you 
can see, footnotes (last footnote) are perfectly vertically aligned 
with the last line of text in following page, while if we insert a 
footnote in OpenOffice/Libreoffice, this is what we get [...] an 
horrible difference between footnote and last line of body text that 
result not aligned that makes appearance of documents with footnotes 
very ugly


Each page has an area within its margins where text may appear. If 
there is not sufficient space for a further line at the bottom of a 
page, it will be carried over to the next page, possibly leaving a 
small amount of unused vertical space within the text area of the 
page.  If different pages have different type sizes or different 
paragraph spacing - or even just a different number of paragraphs - 
the bases of bottom lines may well not match up.  In the case of your 
example, the spacing and the rule before the footnote and the reduced 
type size of the footnote itself all add up to mean that there can be 
no guarantee that the bases of the bottom lines will match up.


In order to correct this problem, you need to make small alteration to 
details of one or other page.  It may be that you can remedy things by 
changing the bottom page margin slightly - but if you do that for the 
page style of the whole document, you are likely to introduce similar 
problems on other pages.  The simplest solution may be to increase 
slightly the line spacing on the second page.


if making this enhancement is not too hard, it will be a great step 
toward dtp for LibreOffice


It's not clear what you want to happen here.  Do you want the line 
spacing on your second page to be increased slightly so as better to 
fill the page?  Or do you want the space before the footnote to be 
increased?  Or both of these?  Or, if (as would be usual) you had more 
than one paragraph on each page, would you want the paragraph spacing 
to be adjusted to suit?  Or some combination of all these?


It's worth mentioning that you are comparing your word processor 
results with - as you say - the appearance of a professionally 
produced book.  In that case, a quite separate process - layout - is 
carried out after the text is finalised.  This is done is layout 
software, not in word processing software.  Any modifications to the 
text - even minor ones - after this would potentially upset the 
appearance, so this is done in the final stages of production.  And I 
doubt whether this is ever completely automated, in fact: rather, I 
imagine that expert user of layout software makes minor adjustments to 
achieve the sort of smart appearance that you crave.


So you are asking for OpenOffice or LibreOffice to become layout 
software as well as word processing software.  I have no idea whether 
its developers would wish to do this.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker
 I thought I had seen something about this some time ago either on 
this mailing list of the A00 mailing list. The topic was Register 
true. If you do a web search you may find the entire thread.

 To do this, you must change the Page style for your document.
1. Open the Styles and Formatting window using F11 to do so.
2. At the top of this window, click the Page Style icon. (4th icon from 
the left). The list of page styles appear.
3. Right click the highlighted page style. (If you are not using a 
custom page style, this will be Default .)

4. Click the Page style.
5. It is in the Layout settings section (bottom right).
6. Click the box labeled Register-true.
7. Click OK.
 This is the setting that printers use to make sure the lines of 
adjacent pages line up.


--Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] huge print jobs for MS Publisher Imagesetter printer

2012-12-20 Thread Jay Lozier

On 12/20/2012 08:12 AM, Anna Martynova wrote:

Hello.

I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I print
to printer that is configured with driver MS Publisher Imagesetter,
sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used Print to
file option.
For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 megabytes
print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
broken link to image (copied from web browser).
If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable (less
than 1 megabyte).

Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send it
to terminal client's printer).

Thanks in advance.


Anna

What is the default system printer?

MS Publisher is part of the MSO office suite and is available in the 
more expensive versions. I have no idea what the MS Publisher 
Imagesetter is for unless it is doing something like converting other 
MSO formats to MS Publisher format much like various Print to PDF 
converters work. If my guess is correct then I am not surprised that it 
garbled other file formats.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] record changes weakness compared to m$

2012-12-20 Thread Jay Lozier

On 12/20/2012 02:49 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 19/12/2012, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:


I have never seen anyone use this feature in MSO (or LO). IMHO most
people find the it confusing or annoying. What seemed to work best for
most collaborative documents was to have one person be responsible for
final edits after getting input from all the others and the other
participants be responsible for a section of the document.

In this case, LO could be used by the responsible person to distribute
odf documents and then do final editing. Possible, but not as
time-efficient as the software code environment whereby version
control is used, to allow simultaneous editing of code. It would be
nice if LO allowed version control (e.g. integration with a client
such as ultravnc).

The documents I think that are being discussed are legal briefs, 
reports, etc. where true version control is probably overkill.


If I am writing code I almost certainly would not use LO but either an 
IDE or an enhanced text editor. The formating I need is to highlight 
syntax and possible syntactical errors as I enter the code.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice runs on the Raspberry Pi, with the right license

2012-12-20 Thread M Henri Day
2012/12/20 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk

 Hi :)
 Just in case anyone here is not on the announce list i just thought you
 might like to know that LO runs on a machine that is about as small as the
 smallest mobile phones, possibly even smaller.

 Regards from
 Tom :)


Nice Tom - thanks for the headsup ! Kudos to the LibO and Raspberry Π
developers !...

 Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff)

2012-12-20 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I take it you have tried all the different ways, such as 
File - Close
File - Exit 
and the red cross in the corner.  They should all work but if one isn't the 
others might help someone identify what is going wrong.  
Regards from
Tom :)  






 From: Chris Heath chrisghe...@virginmedia.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 20:29
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff)
 
I have just upgraded to the above mentioned version running on Windows 7.

When I load Libre Base with an existing database I can edit and save the 
database but Libre will not close without forcing it using Windows Task 
Manager.  No data is lost but Libre will not close down properly.

This problem does not appear to occur in Writer but I have not tested the 
other windows.

Can anyone help please?

Chris Heath

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[libreoffice-users] Re: typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

2012-12-20 Thread siren

On 20/12/12 Dan Lewis wrote:
 I thought I had seen something about this some time ago either on 
this mailing list of the A00 mailing list. The topic was Register 
true.

[...]
unfortunately, *register true* does not work in this case and can't help 
to preserve the right alignement of footnotes with last line of body 
test in following page. Try to believe


current *register true* feature, only helps to keep together aligned 
between pages, BODY TEXT in page (only 1 paragraph style). Register true 
is calculated on a SINGLE PARAGRAPH STYLE, (this is a defective 
behavior, since if you write citations in smaller body, applying 
REGISTER TRUE, line spacing will be not coherent with font size)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff)

2012-12-20 Thread Chris Heath

Thanks for the reply, Tom.

Yes, I have tried all of those and, if I have a database loaded, nothing 
happens and the only way I can close Libre is to use Windows Task 
Manager.  I have now tested both Writer and Calc with existing files and 
they both close normally whichever route I use.


For information, the database I am using was only created in the 
previous version of Libre.


I wonder if anyone else can reproduce this fault?

Chris
On 20/12/2012 15:15, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I take it you have tried all the different ways, such as
File - Close
File - Exit
and the red cross in the corner.  They should all work but if one 
isn't the others might help someone identify what is going wrong.

Regards from
Tom :)



*From:* Chris Heath chrisghe...@virginmedia.com
*To:* users@global.libreoffice.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 20:29
*Subject:* [libreoffice-users] Libre Office Version 3.6.4.3 (Build
ID: 2ef5aff)

I have just upgraded to the above mentioned version running on
Windows 7.

When I load Libre Base with an existing database I can edit and
save the database but Libre will not close without forcing it
using Windows Task Manager.  No data is lost but Libre will not
close down properly.

This problem does not appear to occur in Writer but I have not
tested the other windows.

Can anyone help please?

Chris Heath

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office Version 3.6.4.3 (Build ID: 2ef5aff)

2012-12-20 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 19/12/12 21:29, Chris Heath a écrit :

Hi Chris,


 When I load Libre Base with an existing database I can edit and save the
 database but Libre will not close without forcing it using Windows Task
 Manager.  No data is lost but Libre will not close down properly.
 
 This problem does not appear to occur in Writer but I have not tested
 the other windows.
 

Can't help you with your problem, I currently have the same on Mac OSX
10.8.2, but with a daily master build, so I expect strange things like
that. However, it might be worthwhile your opening a bug report against
the behaviour, or at least searching bugzilla to see if someone else
hasn't already come across this, and then adding your own comments to it.





Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

2012-12-20 Thread lordmax tdf

Hi all

I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful

My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess 
with styles, fonts, etc

Really a chaos.

I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found 
nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet


My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or 
more blank lines all in header1 style


I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply 
change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles


I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice 
forum but I haven't find any solutions.


Can you help me?

Thanks




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

2012-12-20 Thread VA
This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted file 
that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text file 
and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I wanted. 
There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your content, such as 
footnotes.


Good luck.

Virgil



-Original Message- 
From: lordmax tdf

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

Hi all

I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful

My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess
with styles, fonts, etc
Really a chaos.

I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found
nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet

My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or
more blank lines all in header1 style

I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply
change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles

I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice
forum but I haven't find any solutions.

Can you help me?

Thanks




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Re: [libreoffice-users] huge print jobs for MS Publisher Imagesetter printer

2012-12-20 Thread webmaster-Kracked_P_P

On 12/20/2012 09:34 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 12/20/2012 08:12 AM, Anna Martynova wrote:

Hello.

I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I 
print

to printer that is configured with driver MS Publisher Imagesetter,
sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used 
Print to

file option.
For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 
megabytes

print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
broken link to image (copied from web browser).
If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable 
(less

than 1 megabyte).

Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to 
send it

to terminal client's printer).

Thanks in advance.


Anna

What is the default system printer?

MS Publisher is part of the MSO office suite and is available in the 
more expensive versions. I have no idea what the MS Publisher 
Imagesetter is for unless it is doing something like converting other 
MSO formats to MS Publisher format much like various Print to PDF 
converters work. If my guess is correct then I am not surprised that 
it garbled other file formats.





I had a big graphic map of regional railroad lines.  I created a high 
res PDF file to be printed on a plotter at 3 foot by 4 foot.  It would 
not render.  I never did get any large format prints from the 
professional equipment.  BUT, I took that same file and printed it out 
to an inkjet printer and it printed file, thought it took a long time to 
do the processing the data to be sent via the USB cable to the inkjet.


Saying that, it could be the massive amount of data that the 
Imagesetter needs to do its job, vs. what an HP printer [bw or color] 
would need.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Referring to an input list variable

2012-12-20 Thread anne-ology
   One of these programs might help -
http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-web-form-filler-password-manager.htm



On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Michael Nachtigal mnach...@mail.usf.eduwrote:

Hi, there, everyone! I'd appreciate anyone replying who can help me with
 the following task. I will explain the task, what I've done, and what
 I've learned. I'll also ask for confirmation of my understanding of a
 few things.

 I'm trying to create a form that does two (main) things: Lets the user
 select one of two options, and depending on which option is selected,
 certain sections of the form will appear or disappear (be hidden). I
 originally tried to do this with proper form controls, but learned there
 is no way to refer to form field values like variables, is this correct?

 So, I resorted to using variables, and now I'm just trying to consult
 the value of an input list variable, but cannot figure out how to do so.
 Could anyone help me with this?

 Moreoever, in the sections to be displayed conditionally, if I wish to
 include variables, those must be hidden sections or hidden paragraphs,
 but not conditional text, right?

 My LO version: 3.5.4.2

 Many thanks in advance!
 Mike


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Referring to an input list variable

2012-12-20 Thread anne-ology
   One of these programs might help -
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   free for the individual user;
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promoting those which keep this medium open to anyone  :-)



On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:13 AM, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.comwrote:

Le 19/12/2012 20:24, Michael Nachtigal a écrit :

 Hi Michael,


  I'm trying to create a form that does two (main) things: Lets the user
  select one of two options, and depending on which option is selected,
  certain sections of the form will appear or disappear (be hidden). I
  originally tried to do this with proper form controls, but learned there
  is no way to refer to form field values like variables, is this correct?

 This is something I would be interested in too, but haven't got around
 to trying. The only way I know of taking a value from e.g. a list or
 combobox from a form element and then using that value to display or
 hide another part of the document would be via macro.


 
  So, I resorted to using variables, and now I'm just trying to consult
  the value of an input list variable, but cannot figure out how to do so.
  Could anyone help me with this?

 Can't help you there, unless you are using one of the user variable
 fields that are accessible in the document's properties.

 
  Moreoever, in the sections to be displayed conditionally, if I wish to
  include variables, those must be hidden sections or hidden paragraphs,
  but not conditional text, right?

 From what I understand to be possible, you can make you section
 conditional on the value of a variable, there's a little tick box for
 that when you create a new section. However, I've not done it or tried
 it, so I'm going on the basis of a recent discussion on the French
 mailing list where a similar question was asked.

 Alex



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[libreoffice-users] [Calc] Data sorting

2012-12-20 Thread gordom

Hallo everyone.
Let say I have a list of my customers. Each raw consist of his/her name 
and the postal address (separate columns). The address is a mixture of 
letters and numbers. Now I would like to sort this list according to 
customers lactation.


As the result I get something like this (1):

TheSameStreetName 12/1
TheSameStreetName 15/1
TheSameStreetName 19A m21
TheSameStreetName 25A/2
TheSameStreetName 7/3

But I would rather expect to get this kind of list (2):

TheSameStreetName 7/3
TheSameStreetName 12/1
TheSameStreetName 15/1
TheSameStreetName 19A m21
TheSameStreetName 25A/2

Do I make something wrong? Why the list is sorted in that way (odd to me 
:-)? Is it possible to get the result according to list number 2? Thanks 
in advance for all your help.

Regards,

gordom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc] Data sorting

2012-12-20 Thread Doug

On 12/20/2012 03:57 PM, gordom wrote:

Hallo everyone.
Let say I have a list of my customers. Each raw consist of his/her 
name and the postal address (separate columns). The address is a 
mixture of letters and numbers. Now I would like to sort this list 
according to customers lactation.


As the result I get something like this (1):

TheSameStreetName 12/1
TheSameStreetName 15/1
TheSameStreetName 19A m21
TheSameStreetName 25A/2
TheSameStreetName 7/3

But I would rather expect to get this kind of list (2):

TheSameStreetName 7/3
TheSameStreetName 12/1
TheSameStreetName 15/1
TheSameStreetName 19A m21
TheSameStreetName 25A/2

Do I make something wrong? Why the list is sorted in that way (odd to 
me :-)? Is it possible to get the result according to list number 2? 
Thanks in advance for all your help.

Regards,

gordom

I thought I knew, but I don't--sorry. However, lactation refers to 
giving milk! (latin, lac = milk.)

What you need is location. (Latin locus = place.)

--doug

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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc] Data sorting

2012-12-20 Thread Brian Barker

At 21:57 20/12/2012 +0100, Gordom Noname wrote:
Let say I have a list of my customers. Each raw consist of his/her 
name and the postal address (separate columns). The address is a 
mixture of letters and numbers. Now I would like to sort this list 
according to customers [location].


As the result I get something like this (1):

TheSameStreetName 12/1
TheSameStreetName 15/1
TheSameStreetName 19A m21
TheSameStreetName 25A/2
TheSameStreetName 7/3


Do I make something wrong? Why the list is sorted in that way (odd to me :-)?

The cell contents are text, so they are sorted alphabetically, 
character by character.  1 comes before 2, which comes before 7, so 
the three numbers starting with 1 come first.  These are then 
sorted by the next character: 2 comes before 5, which comes before 9.



But I would rather expect to get this kind of list (2):

TheSameStreetName 7/3
TheSameStreetName 12/1
TheSameStreetName 15/1
TheSameStreetName 19A m21
TheSameStreetName 25A/2

Is it possible to get the result according to list number 2?


Probably.  But you have to sort numerically, so you will either have 
to separate the numbers from the street names (into separate cells: 
you can then sort by those cells after sorting by street name) or 
else keep the cells as they are but extract the number part into a 
separate cell (which you can hide if you prefer) and then sort by those cells.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker



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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc] Data sorting

2012-12-20 Thread gordom

W dniu 2012-12-20 22:32, Doug pisze:

However, lactation refers to giving milk! (latin, lac = milk.)
What you need is location. (Latin locus = place.)


Well I'm a little bit embarrassed :-). I know what a lactation term 
mean. It was just a typing error.


Regards,
gordom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Printing Labels From Google Address Book

2012-12-20 Thread Keith Bates

Thanks, Gabriele, for that suggestion. I will look into it.

Keith

On 19/12/12 22:30, Gabriele Ponzo wrote:

The first thing it comes to my mind is to export from Google in CSV
format, and then re-open it in Calc. From there You should be able to
easily convert it into a LO DB.

Regards.
---
Gabriele Ponzo


2012/12/19 Keith Bates ke...@new-life.org.au:


Hello,

Having just finished my annual Christmas card mail out and mastering the
arcane wizardry of producing labels from a database, I realised that my
address list is greatly out of date.

It occurred to me that rather than trying to maintain a separate
database which I use exactly once a year, it would be more useful to
import addresses from my Google contact list.

Is there any simple way of importing a selection of Google contacts into
Libre Office?

Thanks

Keith




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[libreoffice-users] Re: typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

2012-12-20 Thread NoOp
On 12/19/2012 08:16 AM, siren wrote:
 in these months Libreoffice gained new useful features and  team has
 fixed many long-time-unsolved bugs
 
 but there is a thing that, if we cannot strictly to define as a BUG, is,
 at least, a  defect regarding the right typography
 
 I mean the behavior of footnotes versus the text body contained in
 subsequent pages
 
 professionally formatted books, look like this
 
 http://tli.tl/m2507H
 
 as you can see, footnotes (last footnote) are perfectly vertically
 aligned with the last line of text in following page
 
 http://tli.tl/0740NZ (zoom in detail)
 
 while if we insert a footnote in OpenOffice/Libreoffice, this is what we get
 
 http://tli.tl/2mfCgT
 
 an horrible difference between footnote and last line of body text that
 result not aligned that makes appereance of documents with footnotes
 very ugly

Sorry, but I'm not seeing what you are. My screenshot:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6830/libreofficefootnotewrit.png

 
 if making this enhancement is not too hard, it will be a great step
 toward dtp for LibreOffice
 

Link to your bug report is where?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice

2012-12-20 Thread anne-ology
   When I do this, nothing is lost except the formatting ...
 merely 'select all' - copy - paste to notepad - all the
text will be there; just re-format everything and place back in line  ;-)



On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:56 AM, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

This may not be much help, but when I have been faced with a converted file
 that was such a formatting mess, I would just save it as a plain text file
 and format from scratch, creating and applying the specific Styles I
 wanted. There are drawbacks to this, as you will lose some of your content,
 such as footnotes.

 Good luck.
 Virgil



 From: lordmax tdf
 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:58 AM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Styles and regular expression in libreoffice


 Hi all

 I'm on libreoffice 3.6 italian version
 I'm working on many ebook in epub format.
 Fortunately libreoffice has a great extension, writer2epub, who's wonderful

 My problem is that original files (word exported by indesign) are a mess
 with styles, fonts, etc
 Really a chaos.

 I need some way to get some works on styles via reg ex but I've found
 nothing, nor in the help, nor in the wiki, nor of useful on internet

 My first need is to modify lines before and after the chapter title.
 In my doc I've a blank line, a line with the chapter title and one or
 more blank lines all in header1 style

 I haven't found a way to select styles via regex and I can't simply
 change all the blank lines because they are in many different styles

 I've already searched on internet and in the libreoffice/openoffice
 forum but I haven't find any solutions.

 Can you help me?

 Thanks



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[libreoffice-users] bugzilla report emails are including HTML

2012-12-20 Thread NoOp
No response on the discuss list, so I'll try here.

Why are the emailed bug reports also including HTML?

Example:

 From: bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org
 To: ...
 Subject: [Bug 57873] mork (Thunderbird / Icedove / Seamonkey / ...) multi
  address books multi profile support
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:30:51 +

 Message-ID: bug-57873-19433-aydaofm...@http.bugs.freedesktop.org/
 In-Reply-To: bug-57873-19...@http.bugs.freedesktop.org/
 References: bug-57873-19...@http.bugs.freedesktop.org/
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=1355358651.1aebc430.13127; 
 charset=us-ascii

 --1355358651.1aebc430.13127
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:30:51 +
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57873

and now the html:

 --1355358651.1aebc430.13127
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:30:51 +
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
 
 html
 head
   base href=https://bugs.freedesktop.org/; /
 /head
 bodyspan class=vcarda class=email href=mailto:



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[libreoffice-users] Re: typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

2012-12-20 Thread NoOp
On 12/20/2012 12:27 AM, siren wrote:
 On 20/12/12 Dan Lewis wrote:
  I thought I had seen something about this some time ago either on 
 this mailing list of the A00 mailing list. The topic was Register 
 true.
 [...]
 unfortunately, *register true* does not work in this case and can't help 
 to preserve the right alignement of footnotes with last line of body 
 test in following page. Try to believe
 
 current *register true* feature, only helps to keep together aligned 
 between pages, BODY TEXT in page (only 1 paragraph style). Register true 
 is calculated on a SINGLE PARAGRAPH STYLE, (this is a defective 
 behavior, since if you write citations in smaller body, applying 
 REGISTER TRUE, line spacing will be not coherent with font size)
 
 

It's too bad that you couldn't manage to keep this in a single thread. I
responded in the other thread  provide a screenshot that shows the
footnote in line with the page two text.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] record changes weakness compared to m$

2012-12-20 Thread Robert Funnell

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)
Would an acceptable work-around be to send 2 versions of the document?  The old and the new? 


In 'most' (?) cases people would hopefully already have the old version, or an even older one.  Then hopefully the 
Compare Documents feature in the various different programs might provide roughly the same functionality?  
Doesn't track changes have a way of allowing comments that show-up if you hover over a particular change?  
I'm not sure of a good way to cover that sort of thing with Compare rather than Track.


In my experience, the Compare Documents feature is very 
unsatisfactory. For one thing, it will often flag an entire paragraph 
as having changed when only a word or two in the paragraph has 
changed.


- Robert

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[libreoffice-users] Writer - Export Doc to Bitmap Graphic

2012-12-20 Thread precutcolours
Can Writer 3.6.4.3 export a doc to png or jpeg bitmap?
It can export PDF and HTML, I know, but we need bitmaps.

Print to file makes a PDF for me (Linux). Maybe print-to-file can be jiggered?

The only way I know is tedious labor requiring an external app! It 
should not be so hard:



1. Set Writer's Format/Page/Height as long as possible
   to erase page breaks.

2. Turn views off for nonprinting chars, table guides, etc.

3. Screen capture one part at a time being careful
   not to resize the window, just scroll it.
   
4. Stitch all shots together into one composite graphic
   in GIMP using careful H-alignment.

5. Save file from GIMP.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer - Export Doc to Bitmap Graphic

2012-12-20 Thread Jay Lozier

On 12/20/2012 10:13 PM, precutcolo...@mailcan.com wrote:

Can Writer 3.6.4.3 export a doc to png or jpeg bitmap?
It can export PDF and HTML, I know, but we need bitmaps.

Print to file makes a PDF for me (Linux). Maybe print-to-file can be jiggered?

The only way I know is tedious labor requiring an external app! It
should not be so hard:



1. Set Writer's Format/Page/Height as long as possible
to erase page breaks.

2. Turn views off for nonprinting chars, table guides, etc.

3. Screen capture one part at a time being careful
not to resize the window, just scroll it.

4. Stitch all shots together into one composite graphic

in GIMP using careful H-alignment.

5. Save file from GIMP.



Thanks for any better ideas.

AFAIK, the short answer is no. Also, I am not aware of any word 
processing program that directly exports to a bitmap file.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] record changes weakness compared to m$

2012-12-20 Thread e-letter
On 20/12/2012, Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I am writing code I almost certainly would not use LO but either an
 IDE or an enhanced text editor. The formating I need is to highlight
 syntax and possible syntactical errors as I enter the code.


Understood, but the point being made is that instead of 'record
changes', LO offers the same version control functionality for odf
documents  as plain text (e.g. LaTeX, or any programming language).

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: record changes weakness compared to m$

2012-12-20 Thread e-letter
On 19/12/2012, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 On 12/19/2012 12:26 AM, e-letter wrote:
 Readers,

 Have done a bug report on both LO and AOO, about the 'changes' feature
 of the word processor. (It's excellent that there are multiple
 ...
 And the link to that bug report is... ?


For LO (RSS feed):
https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=VERIFIEDcomponent=Writerproduct=LibreOfficequery_format=advancedshort_desc=changesshort_desc_type=allwordssubstrtitle=Bug%20Listctype=atom

For OO: (RSS feed):
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=CONFIRMEDbug_status=ACCEPTEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=VERIFIEDcomponent=editingproduct=word%20processorquery_format=advancedresolution=---short_desc=changesshort_desc_type=allwordssubstrtitle=Bug%20Listctype=atom

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Re: [libreoffice-users] record changes weakness compared to m$

2012-12-20 Thread e-letter
On 20/12/2012, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
 I trust there's no surprise that the OASIS Standard ODF documents are
 developed and maintained as ODF documents.  Tracked changes are critical to
 the work of the ODF TC and the review processes that the work goes through.


In consideration of the bugs associated with this function, it would
be interesting to know how the committee has performed their document
review process.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Writer - Export Doc to Bitmap Graphic

2012-12-20 Thread precutcolours

 I am not aware of any word processing program
 that directly exports to a bitmap file.

I am aware of several, but let Writer leapfrog the herd anyway.
Every app in the LibreOffice suite should do it, AFAIAC.

MS Word does it. If you're using Office 2003 you can print to
the Microsoft Document Imaging format (which is basically a TIFF file)...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/TechOff/114386-Export-Word-to-gifjpg/77db1ee48586425693d69dea012b3324

A top-end math editor does it.
http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/Rasterize.html

The general need is all over the web. I just watched
two YouTube vids on the tedious way I have used.
https://startpage.com/do/search?q=export+Word+to+bitmap

The step to bitmap is trivial compared to all other exports.
Rendering is done already for print and screen. Emit
instead of inkjet dots, or screen dots, bitmap file dots.

Print to postscript may already work via third-party printer drivers.
Then ImageMagick or GraphicsMagick can convert to PNG.
That plan is my fallback. I only thought I'd ask before going that route.

Tip, encourage positive feedback thusly: Hey great idea there!
Stuff that nobody else does is called innovation.

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