[libreoffice-users] Who copies from who the cloud legend?

2013-09-06 Thread theUser BL
Have a look at the cloud legend LibreOffice Draw:
http://postimg.org/image/4bsfawlmd/

Looks nice, the vector-graphic.

Now have a look at the clound legend in mspaint of the Windows 8 preview 
version:
http://postimg.org/image/l0tv6ti7p/

I think, it looks very similar.

Are other clouds possible?
I searched the web:
http://www.freebievectors.com/de/abbildung/29530/wolke-clipart-clip/
http://www.blitec.de/images/product_images/original_images/67329_0.jpg
http://cdn.freebievectors.com/illustrations/7/c/cloud-clip-art-5/preview.jpg
http://www.freebievectors.com/de/abbildung/9/gedanken-wolke-clipart-gedanken-wolke-clip/

So, have LibreOffice copied the MS-cloud image or MS copied the LibreOffice 
cloud image? Or is the cloud free for everyone to use it?
How looks the cloud in Photoshop?

Greatings
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Base - Check boxes not working after upgrade??

2013-09-06 Thread Ian Whitfield

Hi Andrew

On 05/09/13 23:09, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
Is it possible that the form is in edit mode? As in, you are editing 
the control? It is a long shot guess...


On 09/05/2013 04:47 AM, Ian Whitfield wrote:

Hi All

I use here PClinuxOS 2013 (up-to-date), My SQL 5.1.55 and have just 
upgraded my LO Office to 4.1.2.


Everything seems to be fine
EXCEPT
The Check Boxes in my LO Form no longer work - you can not edit them 
or add to them. If you click on one a tick appears in the box but as 
you select Save the tick disappears and it is *NOT* saved.


I have even tried and created a new Tick Box and it behaves just as 
above,


Has anyone seen this effect or got any idea how to fix it please??

Thanks or any help.

IanW
Pretoria RSA





No Andrew this is NOT the case as all other fields are working correctly 
- only Tick Boxes can not be saved!!


IanW
Pretoria RSA

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO Base - Check boxes not working after upgrade??

2013-09-06 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 05/09/13 10:47, Ian Whitfield a écrit :

Hi Ian,

 Has anyone seen this effect or got any idea how to fix it please??

This has also been reported on the French users mailing list. Sounds
like a bug to me.


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO Base - Check boxes not working after upgrade??

2013-09-06 Thread Ian Whitfield

On 06/09/13 10:58, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 05/09/13 10:47, Ian Whitfield a écrit :

Hi Ian,


Has anyone seen this effect or got any idea how to fix it please??

This has also been reported on the French users mailing list. Sounds
like a bug to me.



So how do we, or can we, report it or has it been reported by the French 
Group.


Would really like to get my Tick Boxes back!!

Thanks for the input.

IanW
Pretoria RSA

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[libreoffice-users] MS-Cloud image and LibreOffice-Cloud image are identicaly‏

2013-09-06 Thread theUser BL
This users-mailinglist seems to be more active, then the discuss-mailinglist.
 
The Cloud in LibreOffice-Draw
http://postimg.org/image/4bsfawlmd/
 
looks exactly the same like in Microsof Office
http://s23.postimg.org/tbfuv1iff/pic1.png
and MSPaint in Windows 7 and above:
http://postimg.org/image/l0tv6ti7p/full/
 
You see, that they look identical, if you differ it with other clouds:
http://www.freebievectors.com/de/abbildung/29530/wolke-clipart-clip/
http://www.blitec.de/images/product_images/original_images/67329_0.jpg
http://cdn.freebievectors.com/illustrations/7/c/cloud-clip-art-5/preview.jpg
http://www.freebievectors.com/de/abbildung/9/gedanken-wolke-clipart-gedanken-wolke-clip/
http://de.123rf.com/photo_9902173_paper-origami-sprechblase-dialog-wolke-illustration-elemente-f-r-das-design.html
http://www.spreadshirt.de/sprechwolke+t-shirts
http://www.spreadshirt.de/sprechblasen+t-shirts
 
So, have LibreOffice taken it from Microsoft or Microsoft from LibeOffice?
Or is this nice vector-graphic public domain and everybody is allowed to use it 
in its program?
Because if this image is not public domain and can be taken over in every 
program, can then every font recreated and taken over?
 
Greatings
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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO Base - Check boxes not working after upgrade??

2013-09-06 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 06/09/13 11:36, Ian Whitfield a écrit :

 So how do we, or can we, report it or has it been reported by the French
 Group.
 

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/



Alex



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[libreoffice-users] copy-paste from non-LibO-text-source pastes previous clipboard contents not resolved with 4.1.1.2

2013-09-06 Thread Amgeek
The latest release of labor office (4.1.1.2) has still not addressed a
long-standing bug that seriously diminishes the usefulness of the entire
suite for anyone who actually uses it for any kind of active work requiring
copying and pasting from within and without the program.
Bug 62196 - EDITING: copy-paste from non-LibO-text-source pastes previous
clipboard contents 

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62196#add_comment 

Once you copy and paste within a Libra office document you can no longer
copy and paste from an outside source into the document. The clipboard does
not clear, it retains the last cut/copy from within Libra office and in
order to bring in a copy from an external source, such as a web browser i.e.
a link, you have to exit Libra office and restart it to clear the clipboard.
This is extremely frustrating when gathering information from the web and
trying to enter references and links into a document.
While drafting this short note, in Libra office, I had to exit and restart
the program in order to paste the references and links for the bug.
It is really quite a basic and often used function 
Does anyone know how to get this fixed?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Who copies from who the cloud legend?

2013-09-06 Thread anne-ology
   and your point is ... ???
 if you're stating one has plagiarized the other, I think you'd
have a mighty hard case to prove.

   Anyone drawing/sketching a cloud would come up with a similar
picture ... are all of us guilty of plagiarism ???
 to sketch a cloud one merely loosely outlines the softness of
what's seen/unseen.



From: theUser BL theuse...@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Who copies from who the cloud legend?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org


Have a look at the cloud legend LibreOffice Draw:
http://postimg.org/image/4bsfawlmd/

Looks nice, the vector-graphic.

Now have a look at the cloud legend in mspaint of the Windows 8 preview
version:
http://postimg.org/image/l0tv6ti7p/

I think, it looks very similar.

Are other clouds possible?
I searched the web:
http://www.freebievectors.com/de/abbildung/29530/wolke-clipart-clip/
http://www.blitec.de/images/product_images/original_images/67329_0.jpg
http://cdn.freebievectors.com/illustrations/7/c/cloud-clip-art-5/preview.jpg
http://www.freebievectors.com/de/abbildung/9/gedanken-wolke-clipart-gedanken-wolke-clip/

So, have LibreOffice copied the MS-cloud image or MS copied the LibreOffice
cloud image? Or is the cloud free for everyone to use it?
How looks the cloud in Photoshop?

Greatings
theuserbl

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Broken links on api docs page

2013-09-06 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 06/09/13 17:02, Jim Byrnes a écrit :


Hi Jim,

 All through out the list, some work and some do not.

Yes, I have seen this reported on the French users list too. The API
docs were supposed to have been regenerated and updated yesterday to
reflect changes in the API that have occurred between 4.0 and 4.1, but
apparently the update doesn't appear to have worked properly.

I'll report this on the dev list.

Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Ctrl+F Dialog Quirk

2013-09-06 Thread CVAlkan
Hi:

I'm using LibreOffice Version 4.0.5.2 (Build ID:
5464147a081647a250913f19c0715bca595af2f) on Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS).

If the Find Toolbar is neither docked or displayed, and the Ctrl+F command
is used to display it, the cursor is not placed in the search panel as I
would expect (i.e. why would one call up the Find panel if not to search for
something?).

If the Find Toolbar is docked or displayed, the cursor moves to the dialog
as expected when Ctrl+F is pressed or the menu option is chosen. Thus, if
you elect not to have the dialog displayed as a matter of course (I like to
devote as much space as possible to the document I'm working on), and you
forget to press Ctrl+F TWICE when calling it up, you end up typing the
search term into the document itself, which is annoying.

It's actually been this way for a while, but I held off asking until I had
loaded 4.0.5.

I suppose this behavior might be a matter of opinion, but it seems like it
might be a bug to me. Any Comments?

Thanks in advance for any comments.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Broken links on api docs page

2013-09-06 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 06/09/13 17:02, Jim Byrnes a écrit :

Hi Jim,

I've read on the dev-list that forcing a reload of the browser cache
(perhaps clearing it first) should make the problem go away.


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Title Bar Formatting in Various Dialogs (Bug??)

2013-09-06 Thread CVAlkan
Hi:I'm using LibreOffice Version 4.0.5.2 (Build ID:
5464147a081647a250913f19c0715bca595af2f) on Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS).When using
Writer, I noticed that the title text placement in various dialogs seems a
little bizarre. The best way to describe this is with a few examples:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4073305/Libre_Word_Count_Bug.png
Note that, on the Word Count dialog, the values for both Character counts
are cut off on the left side, almost as if the width of the Word Count field
were used for all the values.On the Styles and Formatting panel, the header
title shows only Styles and .
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4073305/Libre_Title_Placement_Bug-1.png
The width of the panel needs to be extended a fair amount (far more than the
style names require) in order for the title to be displayed correctly; this
is shown in the third illustration.
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4073305/Libre_Title_Placement_Bug-2.png
I suppose it's possible that something in my own setup is doing this but, if
so, I can't figure out what it might be. Is this possibly a bug?Any comments
would be appreciated.



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[libreoffice-users] doesn't see selected sheet or page

2013-09-06 Thread Fred James

Mageia 3 KDE4
LibreOffice 4.0.4.2 (Build ID: 4.0.4.2-2.mga3)

LibreOffice has been working just fine all along, and then this printing 
problem showed up just this morning (see details below).


So far this is only happening in this one file ... other LibreOffice 
files I have tried print fine ... other apps print fine.


Any suggestions?  Thanks.
Regards
Fred James

Problem scenario:
working spreadsheet open
Navigate:
File - Print
preview area has text in it that says No pages
same no matter which printer is selected
and of course ... nothing prints

Currently using this workaround:
working spreadsheet open
select a range of cells
Navigate:
File - Print
preview area shows a page w/only selected cells
page prints w/only selected cells




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

2013-09-06 Thread Doug
On 09/06/2013 12:14 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)

/snip/

 Sadly, LibreOffice uses a different version of Basic that doesn't seem to 
 have  had security issues out in the wild (afaik).  A
  couple of times people have been urged to upgrade to new branches to 
 avoid known issues that were fixed in the newer branch but that was almost 
 entirely preventative rather than reactive.  I think LibreOffice even allows 
 a few other languages to be used, such as Python.  
 

/snip/
 
 I downloaded the package LibreOffice, because I am currently the a Visual
 Basic and MsAccess programmer.
 

Please elaborate: Is it possible to use LO to write free-standing BASIC
software? (NOT Visual Basic!) If so, a little information as to how that
can be done would be appreciated. Every so often I would like to
code something simple to make my life easier, but the simple programs
like BASIC and Turbo Pascal (early versions) just don't seem to exist
anymore. I'm 75, and I just don't have the ambition to learn Python,
altho I think it might do the job.

--doug


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks Dan!  So forms done in Writer are effectively read only and to make 
forms that allow data-entry really needs the forms to be made in Base?  


That makes more sense than what i was thinking.  Thanks for clarifying that for 
me! :)

Thanks and regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 17:27
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is 
not working, I am sending by email
 

Comment in-line

On 09/06/2013 12:14 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 It's fine posting to the Users List to start with.  We might be able to deal 
 with issues directly and if not then we can signpost you to more appropriate 
 places.

 I'm not sure why OfficeSecurity is involved so they might be dropped from 
 subsequent replies.


 Base forms and reports 'should' be written in Writer or Calc rather than in 
 Base itself shouldn't they?  That would protect users from seeing the Base 
 interface and just present normal users with the familiar interface they get 
 in Writer or Calc.


Base forms are created using Writer, but they are *not* the same thing 
as X-Forms. The purpose of forms in Base is to enter data into the 
tables of the database. This is not a purpose that X-Forms in Writer nor 
anything in Calc can provide.

--Dan


 With macros i think the problem is that MS uses a different language for 
 macros and their macros keep being used as an attack vector for malware.  So, 
 all sorts of ways have had to be built to prevent  macros from executing 
 whenever they want.

 Sadly, LibreOffice uses a different version of Basic that doesn't seem to 
 have  had security issues out in the wild (afaik).  A
   couple of times people have been urged to upgrade to new branches to
 avoid known issues that were fixed in the newer branch but that was almost 
 entirely preventative rather than reactive.  I think LibreOffice even allows 
 a few other languages to be used, such as Python.

 So, if people write macros using the language(s) that  LibreOffice uses then 
 presumably those macros don't have to be imported/converted?


 Sorry i don't know any of this from 1st hand experience but just have my 
 opinions built-up from the many posts on the Users List about these topics so 
 i could easily have misunderstood things.
 Regards from
 Tom :)







 
   From: Rodrigo Bigo rodrigob...@ig.com.br
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org; officesecur...@lists.freedesktop.org
 Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 13:08
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not 
 working, I am sending by email
  

 Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

 Via Google

 Hello,

 I downloaded the package LibreOffice, because I am currently the a Visual
 Basic and MsAccess programmer.

 And I thought a very good tool, however I would like to send some
 suggestions.

 The suggestions are:

 1 - Password Option to prevent the drawing mode for end users, objects from
 the database as Forms, Tables, Reports, and Macros

 2 - Option to start creating a form that would be a menu option to open
 other forms, views, tables, queries and reports.

 3 - Boot Options to a database, with the ability to more easily hide the
 toolbars and menus.

 End users are not familiar with many tools and buttons. And they need ease
 and simplicity to be able to use a program.

 4 - To have to import macros, and ask the password protection code,
 discourages programmers to distribute databases for end-users and even by
 the internet. Ideally macros not needed to be imported, and they would only
 be allocated in a sub-folder of the archive database.

 If these options could be implemented, surely this would stimulate much
 MsAccess programmers to migrate to LibreOfficeBase.

 Thank you.

 Best Regards

 Rodrigo Bigo Jr


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Download fails

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Ahh, i was wondering if it was some sort of manual or documentation.  

Perhaps try downloading using some other web-browser other than IE?

With MS products you find people keep talking about different sorts of malware 
and there are all sorts of names for the various types in the same way that 
Eskimos have a lot of different words meaning snow or ice whereas languages 
from hotter countries might not even have a word for it at all.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





 From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 18:02
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Download fails
 

At 16:35 06/09/2013 +0100, Tom A Jones wrote:
Does anyone know why, when requesting download of 4.1 one gets the 
file LibreOffice_4.1.1_win_x86.man instead of LibreOffice_4.1.1_win_x86.msi?

I think a foible of Internet Explorer sometimes renames the 
downloaded file unhelpfully.

And what to do about it?

Just rename the file to change the extension back to .msi and try 
installing that.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker
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[libreoffice-users] odt fodt conversion warning message

2013-09-06 Thread e-letter
Readers,

An odt document was converted to the fodt format using the menu bar
'save as' option.

Why is the option fodt listed nearest to the bottom, after m$ (?!),
starwriter, text, html, aportisdoc ??? Native odf must be treated with
greater respect and higher priority! LO is not an m$ clone! (end of
complaint...)

After closure of the odt document (which was opened via the command
line, hence the ability to see the warning), the terminal reported the
following warning:

Warning: at xsl:stylesheet on line 2 of
file:///path/to/libreoffice/basis3.3/share/xslt/odfflatxml/odfflatxmlexport.xsl:
  Running an XSLT 1.0 stylesheet with an XSLT 2.0 processor

The equivalent fodt document was then opened in the command terminal,
which reported the following (whilst the document remained open):

Warning: at xsl:stylesheet on line 2 of
file:///path/to/libreoffice/basis3.3/share/xslt/odfflatxml/odfflatxmlimport.xsl:
  Running an XSLT 1.0 stylesheet with an XSLT 2.0 processor

How significant is this warning?

The stylesheet is as follows:

?xml version='1.0' encoding=UTF-8?
xsl:stylesheet version=1.0 xmlns:xsl=http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform;
xsl:output method=xml encoding=UTF-8 indent=yes/

xsl:template match=@*|node()
xsl:copy
xsl:apply-templates select=@*|node()/
/xsl:copy
/xsl:template
/xsl:stylesheet

As root, the stylesheet was amended to change the version to '2.0' and
the fodt re-opened without the warning error.

Is this manual change likely to cause a problem with the intended use
of the fodt file, subversion document control?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Suse Collabora Story

2013-09-06 Thread M Henri Day
2013/9/6 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk

 Hi :)

 Thought a few people here might be interested in this article.


 I tried asking for a bit of clarification from the marketing team but they
 are keen to keep it all a secret.  Does this mean a new fork of LibreOffice
 or a 3rd party company that provides up to tier 3 technical support for
 existing branch?  Does it mean the equivalent of an LTS version of
 LibreOffice?  Can anyone sign-up for it?  Does it cost?


 I have been assured that the marketing team does know the answer to this
 sort of thing but they don't want people outside their team to know.  It's
 all part of the transparency that exists within TDF.


 Regards from

 Tom :)


​I presume that remark about «transparency»​
​ saw your tongue firmly ensconced in your cheek, Tom

Henri​

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Broken links on api docs page

2013-09-06 Thread Jim Byrnes

On 09/06/2013 10:37 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 06/09/13 17:02, Jim Byrnes a écrit :

Hi Jim,

I've read on the dev-list that forcing a reload of the browser cache
(perhaps clearing it first) should make the problem go away.


Alex




Yikes.  Clearing the cache made it worse.  Now I can't connect to any of 
the indexes, even ones that worked before.  Oh well I'll just use the OO 
ones until this is fixed.


Regards,  Jim


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Ctrl+F Dialog Quirk

2013-09-06 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 06/09/13 17:33, CVAlkan a écrit :

Hi,

It is a known bug.

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49853

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47634

One of many known focussing issues on various platforms.

Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Suse Collabora Story

2013-09-06 Thread Pedro
Hi Tom


Tom wrote
 I tried asking for a bit of clarification from the marketing team but they
 are keen to keep it all a secret.  Does this mean a new fork of
 LibreOffice or a 3rd party company that provides up to tier 3 technical
 support for existing branch?  Does it mean the equivalent of an LTS
 version of LibreOffice?  Can anyone sign-up for it?  Does it cost?  

You must have speed-read Simon's article. 

No, it's not a secret. No, there is no fork. Collabora will provide the 3rd
tier technical support to paying customers (as Suse did). As for which
branch they will provide support and for how long, you better ask Michael :)

In any case why not read from Michael's own words (and links within)?
https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2013-09-03-collabora.html

Cheers,
Pedro



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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Suse Collabora Story

2013-09-06 Thread Pedro
Hi Henri


mhenriday wrote
 ​Sounds good, Pedro. But you might want to inform Mr Meeks that there are,
 indeed, lots of Swedish conspiracies. as those keeping up with the daily
 news know

I also believe that TDF is not so transparent. But in this case the answers
to most of Tom's questions are already public.

I am not affiliated or a member of TDF or Collabora so it's not up to me to
inform Michael Meeks.

Could you share some links about those conspiracies?

Regards,
Pedro



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Suse Collabora Story

2013-09-06 Thread M Henri Day
2013/9/6 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com

 Hi Tom


 Tom wrote
  I tried asking for a bit of clarification from the marketing team but
 they
  are keen to keep it all a secret.  Does this mean a new fork of
  LibreOffice or a 3rd party company that provides up to tier 3 technical
  support for existing branch?  Does it mean the equivalent of an LTS
  version of LibreOffice?  Can anyone sign-up for it?  Does it cost?

 You must have speed-read Simon's article.

 No, it's not a secret. No, there is no fork. Collabora will provide the 3rd
 tier technical support to paying customers (as Suse did). As for which
 branch they will provide support and for how long, you better ask Michael
 :)

 In any case why not read from Michael's own words (and links within)?
 https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2013-09-03-collabora.html

 Cheers,
 Pedro


​Sounds good, Pedro. But you might want to inform Mr Meeks that there are,
indeed, lots of Swedish conspiracies. as those keeping up with the daily
news know

Henri​

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Suse Collabora Story

2013-09-06 Thread M Henri Day
2013/9/6 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com

 Hi Henri


 mhenriday wrote
  ​Sounds good, Pedro. But you might want to inform Mr Meeks that there
 are,
  indeed, lots of Swedish conspiracies. as those keeping up with the daily
  news know

 I also believe that TDF is not so transparent. But in this case the answers
 to most of Tom's questions are already public.

 I am not affiliated or a member of TDF or Collabora so it's not up to me to
 inform Michael Meeks.

 Could you share some links about those conspiracies?

 Regards,
 Pedro


​Sorry, Pedro, it was a joke on my part, just as ​Michael's reference to
«the Swedish conspiracy» was a joke on his. But let me assure you that here
in Sweden we do have lots of conspiracies, such as the cooperation between
the British GCHQ and our very own FRA, as revealed by Duncan Campbell
yesterday in testimony before the European Parliament

Henri

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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Suse Collabora Story

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)  

Thought a few people here might be interested in this article.  


I tried asking for a bit of clarification from the marketing team but they are 
keen to keep it all a secret.  Does this mean a new fork of LibreOffice or a 
3rd party company that provides up to tier 3 technical support for existing 
branch?  Does it mean the equivalent of an LTS version of LibreOffice?  Can 
anyone sign-up for it?  Does it cost?  


I have been assured that the marketing team does know the answer to this sort 
of thing but they don't want people outside their team to know.  It's all part 
of the transparency that exists within TDF.  


Regards from 

Tom :)  





 From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com
To: market...@global.libreoffice.org market...@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 14:52
Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Suse  Collabora Story
 

I posted a LibreOffice story on InfoWorld today;
http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/suse-drops-libreoffice-and-collabora-picks-it-226133

S.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

2013-09-06 Thread Dan Lewis

Comment in-line

On 09/06/2013 12:14 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
It's fine posting to the Users List to start with.  We might be able to deal 
with issues directly and if not then we can signpost you to more appropriate 
places.

I'm not sure why OfficeSecurity is involved so they might be dropped from 
subsequent replies.


Base forms and reports 'should' be written in Writer or Calc rather than in 
Base itself shouldn't they?  That would protect users from seeing the Base 
interface and just present normal users with the familiar interface they get in 
Writer or Calc.
Base forms are created using Writer, but they are *not* the same thing 
as X-Forms. The purpose of forms in Base is to enter data into the 
tables of the database. This is not a purpose that X-Forms in Writer nor 
anything in Calc can provide.


--Dan

With macros i think the problem is that MS uses a different language for macros 
and their macros keep being used as an attack vector for malware.  So, all 
sorts of ways have had to be built to prevent  macros from executing whenever 
they want.

Sadly, LibreOffice uses a different version of Basic that doesn't seem to have  had 
security issues out in the wild (afaik).  A
  couple of times people have been urged to upgrade to new branches to
avoid known issues that were fixed in the newer branch but that was almost 
entirely preventative rather than reactive.  I think LibreOffice even allows a 
few other languages to be used, such as Python.

So, if people write macros using the language(s) that  LibreOffice uses then 
presumably those macros don't have to be imported/converted?


Sorry i don't know any of this from 1st hand experience but just have my 
opinions built-up from the many posts on the Users List about these topics so i 
could easily have misunderstood things.
Regards from
Tom :)








  From: Rodrigo Bigo rodrigob...@ig.com.br
To: users@global.libreoffice.org; officesecur...@lists.freedesktop.org
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 13:08
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not 
working, I am sending by email
  


Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

Via Google

Hello,

I downloaded the package LibreOffice, because I am currently the a Visual
Basic and MsAccess programmer.

And I thought a very good tool, however I would like to send some
suggestions.

The suggestions are:

1 - Password Option to prevent the drawing mode for end users, objects from
the database as Forms, Tables, Reports, and Macros

2 - Option to start creating a form that would be a menu option to open
other forms, views, tables, queries and reports.

3 - Boot Options to a database, with the ability to more easily hide the
toolbars and menus.

End users are not familiar with many tools and buttons. And they need ease
and simplicity to be able to use a program.

4 - To have to import macros, and ask the password protection code,
discourages programmers to distribute databases for end-users and even by
the internet. Ideally macros not needed to be imported, and they would only
be allocated in a sub-folder of the archive database.

If these options could be implemented, surely this would stimulate much
MsAccess programmers to migrate to LibreOfficeBase.

Thank you.

Best Regards

Rodrigo Bigo Jr



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[libreoffice-users] Base: Automatically Open a Form?

2013-09-06 Thread Tod Hopkins
I am looking for a method to automatically opening default form when opening a 
Base file.  Any ideas?

Cheers,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Base - Check boxes not working after upgrade??

2013-09-06 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 09/06/2013 02:16 AM, Ian Whitfield wrote:
 Hi Andrew
 
 On 05/09/13 23:09, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
 Is it possible that the form is in edit mode? As in, you are editing
 the control? It is a long shot guess...

 On 09/05/2013 04:47 AM, Ian Whitfield wrote:
 Hi All

 I use here PClinuxOS 2013 (up-to-date), My SQL 5.1.55 and have just
 upgraded my LO Office to 4.1.2.

 Everything seems to be fine
 EXCEPT
 The Check Boxes in my LO Form no longer work - you can not edit them
 or add to them. If you click on one a tick appears in the box but as
 you select Save the tick disappears and it is *NOT* saved.

 I have even tried and created a new Tick Box and it behaves just as
 above,

 Has anyone seen this effect or got any idea how to fix it please??

 Thanks or any help.

 IanW
 Pretoria RSA


 
 No Andrew this is NOT the case as all other fields are working correctly
 - only Tick Boxes can not be saved!!
 
 IanW
 Pretoria RSA
 

The easiest way to fix this is to replace LO 4, that doesn't work, with
LO 3 that does.  At the next LO release you can install the new release
and run some regression testing on it to see if it brakes any of your
functionality.  If it does write a bug report, then uninstall it and
replace it with the previous version that does work for you.

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[libreoffice-users] Base: How to Duplicate a Record

2013-09-06 Thread Tod Hopkins
I cannot find a method for duplicating a single record or row in a Base table 
or form.  I want to create new records that contain data from an existing 
record.  Any suggestions?

Cheers,
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[libreoffice-users] Base: How to Duplicate a Record

2013-09-06 Thread T Hopkins
I cannot find a method for duplicating a single record or row in a Base table 
or form.  I want to create new records that contain data from an existing 
record.  Any suggestions?

Cheers,
  tod

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[libreoffice-users] Re: snap to grid lines

2013-09-06 Thread Tom
Hi :)
Sorry, attachments don't reach people on the mailing list.  Please try to
use Nabble or some other Cloud to upload your screen-shot and then give a
link in your email message.  Nabble makes it easier because it inserts the
html link to the files you upload to it and then you can move the link
around a bit.  

Some of the links in this email get you into the right thread and allow you
to write in there.  The More button gives the upload file option.  
Regards from 
Tom :)



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Download fails

2013-09-06 Thread Brian Barker

At 16:35 06/09/2013 +0100, Tom A Jones wrote:
Does anyone know why, when requesting download of 4.1 one gets the 
file LibreOffice_4.1.1_win_x86.man instead of LibreOffice_4.1.1_win_x86.msi?


I think a foible of Internet Explorer sometimes renames the 
downloaded file unhelpfully.



And what to do about it?


Just rename the file to change the extension back to .msi and try 
installing that.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

2013-09-06 Thread Roger Nutbeam
On Linux try Gambas http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html

You can write standalone BASIC programs, either GUI or console based. Open
Source.

Or you can go real old school and try somthing like Chipmunk BASIC. Mac,
Linux and Windows.

http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/basic/

Python is very easy to learn btw. There are lots of really good books and
online resources for learning it.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:

 On 09/06/2013 12:14 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)

 /snip/

  Sadly, LibreOffice uses a different version of Basic that doesn't seem
 to have  had security issues out in the wild (afaik).  A
   couple of times people have been urged to upgrade to new branches to
  avoid known issues that were fixed in the newer branch but that was
 almost entirely preventative rather than reactive.  I think LibreOffice
 even allows a few other languages to be used, such as Python.
 
 
 /snip/
 
  I downloaded the package LibreOffice, because I am currently the a Visual
  Basic and MsAccess programmer.
 

 Please elaborate: Is it possible to use LO to write free-standing BASIC
 software? (NOT Visual Basic!) If so, a little information as to how that
 can be done would be appreciated. Every so often I would like to
 code something simple to make my life easier, but the simple programs
 like BASIC and Turbo Pascal (early versions) just don't seem to exist
 anymore. I'm 75, and I just don't have the ambition to learn Python,
 altho I think it might do the job.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Cell border line style is not show dash dash option in OO

2013-09-06 Thread Mark Bourne
It appears my original reply went direct to Satish; copied here for the 
list...


Satish Srivastava wrote:

In calc cell border is not giving the option of line style dash dash like
- - - - - - -this.
If we want to make our cell border is - - - - -. Can this is possible to
perform in OO.
Please help us if their is any add-on for this.


The following works for me (LibreOffice 4.0.4 on Windows Vista):
- Select the cells
- Format  Cells
- Choose the line style (for me, the 4th option is dashes)
- Set width and colour as needed
- Click the areas under Line arrangement representing where you want 
the borders applied, e.g. only around the outside of the selected 
region, or all the grid lines within as well, or only horizontal lines etc.

- Click OK

Does that not work for you? If not, I've no idea why but others may be 
able to help if you let us know what versions of LibreOffice and 
operating system you have.


If the grey grid lines are showing, other borders might not be so 
obvious while editing the spreadsheet as they are when printed. You can 
turn those off at Tools  Options  LibreOffice Calc  View, and set 
Grid lines to Hide.


Mark.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestion: Change the zoom with Ctrl+ Plus(+) and Minus(-) Key shortcuts

2013-09-06 Thread Mark Bourne
It appears my original reply went direct to logos; copied here for the 
list...


logos wrote:

Hello. I think it would be a good idea to add a shortcut when you are Editing
Text to make bigger the zoom with Ctrl+ Plus(+) and smaller with Ctrl+
Minus(-) like the internet browsers.

In normal view there is a zoom in and zoom out shortcut with Plus(+) and
Minus(-) Keys, but not at the editing mode.
https://help.libreoffice.org/Impress/Shortcut_Keys_for_Impress

In fact, I think it would be better to use the Ctrl+ Plus(+) and Ctrl+
Minus(-) in the normal view too, because its a more standard way.


No need to wait for a software update - you should be able to customise 
your keyboard shortcuts to do almost anything:

- From the menu: Tools  Customise
- Open the Keyboard tab
- In the list of shortcut keys in the top half, select Ctrl++ (it's 
already assigned to do something else on my setup, but you can change that)

- From the functions list, select:
  - Category: View
  - Function: Zoom In
- Click Modify, and Ctrl++ should now be assigned to zoom in rather 
than whatever it did before


Do likewise for Ctrl+- and Zoom Out.

You can assign keyboard shortcuts to work across all LibreOffice 
applications by selecting the LibreOffice to the right of the shortcut 
keys list rather than the single application name. However, you may have 
to remove application-specific assignments (e.g. for me, by default, 
Ctrl++ is assigned to Bring Forwards in Impress, to Calculate in 
Writer and to Insert Cells in Calc - those shortcuts would override 
any LibreOffice global shortcut unless I removed them.


Mark.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: Automatically Open a Form?

2013-09-06 Thread Don C. Myers

Hi Tod,

I asked the same question about 5 or 6 years ago in an Open Office 
forum, and didn't receive an answer. I'll be very interested to see if 
anyone here has a suggestion.


Don


On 09/06/2013 05:49 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

I am looking for a method to automatically opening default form when opening a 
Base file.  Any ideas?

Cheers,
   tod


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[libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

2013-09-06 Thread Rodrigo Bigo
Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

Via Google

Hello,

I downloaded the package LibreOffice, because I am currently the a Visual
Basic and MsAccess programmer.

And I thought a very good tool, however I would like to send some
suggestions.

The suggestions are:

1 - Password Option to prevent the drawing mode for end users, objects from
the database as Forms, Tables, Reports, and Macros

2 - Option to start creating a form that would be a menu option to open
other forms, views, tables, queries and reports.

3 - Boot Options to a database, with the ability to more easily hide the
toolbars and menus.

End users are not familiar with many tools and buttons. And they need ease
and simplicity to be able to use a program.

4 - To have to import macros, and ask the password protection code,
discourages programmers to distribute databases for end-users and even by
the internet. Ideally macros not needed to be imported, and they would only
be allocated in a sub-folder of the archive database.

If these options could be implemented, surely this would stimulate much
MsAccess programmers to migrate to LibreOfficeBase.

Thank you.

Best Regards

Rodrigo Bigo Jr

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[libreoffice-users] Download fails

2013-09-06 Thread Tom A Jones

Does anyone know why, when requesting download of 4.1 one gets the file
LibreOffice_4.1.1_win_x86.man   instead of
LibreOffice_4.1.1_win_x86.msi?
And what to do about it? Makes it difficult to use the product.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
We were really talking about macros that run inside the document rather than 
talking about writing programs.  

I think one really good way to learn Python right now is to join in with the 
devs in LibreOffice.  There are a list of Easy hacks and you can pick 1 or 2 
and then write your code for it and ask the devs for feedback.  I think there 
is even a chance of getting a named mentor to help guide you (although i'm not 
sure if that idea is still going).  If you are new to programming or don't feel 
confident then you could do a few of the Easy hacks until you worked out the 
preferred ways of doing things.  

Books and theoretical class-room exercises might be good and interesting but 
dealing with and solving real-world problems is even better for most subjects 
imo.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: Roger Nutbeam gnutb...@gmail.com
To: Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 18:00
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is 
not working, I am sending by email
 

On Linux try Gambas http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html

You can write standalone BASIC programs, either GUI or console based. Open
Source.

Or you can go real old school and try somthing like Chipmunk BASIC. Mac,
Linux and Windows.

http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/basic/

Python is very easy to learn btw. There are lots of really good books and
online resources for learning it.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:

 On 09/06/2013 12:14 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)

 /snip/

  Sadly, LibreOffice uses a different version of Basic that doesn't seem
 to have  had security issues out in the wild (afaik).  A
   couple of times people have been urged to upgrade to new branches to
  avoid known issues that were fixed in the newer branch but that was
 almost entirely preventative rather than reactive.  I think LibreOffice
 even allows a few other languages to be used, such as Python.
 
 
 /snip/
 
  I downloaded the package LibreOffice, because I am currently the a Visual
  Basic and MsAccess programmer.
 

 Please elaborate: Is it possible to use LO to write free-standing BASIC
 software? (NOT Visual Basic!) If so, a little information as to how that
 can be done would be appreciated. Every so often I would like to
 code something simple to make my life easier, but the simple programs
 like BASIC and Turbo Pascal (early versions) just don't seem to exist
 anymore. I'm 75, and I just don't have the ambition to learn Python,
 altho I think it might do the job.

 --doug


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SOLVED: Re: [libreoffice-users] doesn't see selected sheet or page

2013-09-06 Thread Fred James

Sorry ... just a bit more google and I found ...
...did you define a print range? (Check Format Print Ranges from the 
main menue)

So problem solved!  Don't know how that got undefined, but it works now!
Thanks
Regards
Fred James

Fred James wrote:

Mageia 3 KDE4
LibreOffice 4.0.4.2 (Build ID: 4.0.4.2-2.mga3)

LibreOffice has been working just fine all along, and then this 
printing problem showed up just this morning (see details below).


So far this is only happening in this one file ... other LibreOffice 
files I have tried print fine ... other apps print fine.


Any suggestions?  Thanks.
Regards
Fred James

Problem scenario:
working spreadsheet open
Navigate:
File - Print
preview area has text in it that says No pages
same no matter which printer is selected
and of course ... nothing prints

Currently using this workaround:
working spreadsheet open
select a range of cells
Navigate:
File - Print
preview area shows a page w/only selected cells
page prints w/only selected cells







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Who copies from who the cloud legend?

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The point is that it is not just similar it's identical.  Look at the way the 
curves overlap and try to spot the difference.  There aren't any!  Oh, except 
one has blue fill and the other white fill or empty.
Regards from 
Tom :)  






 From: anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com
To: BL theuse...@hotmail.com 
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 15:49
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Who copies from who the cloud legend?
 

       and your point is ... ???
             if you're stating one has plagiarized the other, I think you'd
have a mighty hard case to prove.

       Anyone drawing/sketching a cloud would come up with a similar
picture ... are all of us guilty of plagiarism ???
             to sketch a cloud one merely loosely outlines the softness of
what's seen/unseen.



From: theUser BL theuse...@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Who copies from who the cloud legend?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org


Have a look at the cloud legend LibreOffice Draw:
http://postimg.org/image/4bsfawlmd/

Looks nice, the vector-graphic.

Now have a look at the cloud legend in mspaint of the Windows 8 preview
version:
http://postimg.org/image/l0tv6ti7p/

I think, it looks very similar.

Are other clouds possible?
I searched the web:
http://www.freebievectors.com/de/abbildung/29530/wolke-clipart-clip/
http://www.blitec.de/images/product_images/original_images/67329_0.jpg
http://cdn.freebievectors.com/illustrations/7/c/cloud-clip-art-5/preview.jpg
http://www.freebievectors.com/de/abbildung/9/gedanken-wolke-clipart-gedanken-wolke-clip/

So, have LibreOffice copied the MS-cloud image or MS copied the LibreOffice
cloud image? Or is the cloud free for everyone to use it?
How looks the cloud in Photoshop?

Greatings
theuserbl

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[libreoffice-users] Broken links on api docs page

2013-09-06 Thread Jim Byrnes

Is anyone else seeing this.

http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/index-files/index-2.html [B]
Gives an Object not found - error 404

While 
http://api.libreoffice.org/docs/common/ref/index-files/index-1.html [A] 
does not.


All through out the list, some work and some do not.

Regards,  Jim


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It's fine posting to the Users List to start with.  We might be able to deal 
with issues directly and if not then we can signpost you to more appropriate 
places.  

I'm not sure why OfficeSecurity is involved so they might be dropped from 
subsequent replies.  


Base forms and reports 'should' be written in Writer or Calc rather than in 
Base itself shouldn't they?  That would protect users from seeing the Base 
interface and just present normal users with the familiar interface they get in 
Writer or Calc.  


With macros i think the problem is that MS uses a different language for macros 
and their macros keep being used as an attack vector for malware.  So, all 
sorts of ways have had to be built to prevent  macros from executing whenever 
they want.    

Sadly, LibreOffice uses a different version of Basic that doesn't seem to have  
had security issues out in the wild (afaik).  A
 couple of times people have been urged to upgrade to new branches to 
avoid known issues that were fixed in the newer branch but that was almost 
entirely preventative rather than reactive.  I think LibreOffice even allows a 
few other languages to be used, such as Python.  

So, if people write macros using the language(s) that  LibreOffice uses then 
presumably those macros don't have to be imported/converted?  


Sorry i don't know any of this from 1st hand experience but just have my 
opinions built-up from the many posts on the Users List about these topics so i 
could easily have misunderstood things.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  








 From: Rodrigo Bigo rodrigob...@ig.com.br
To: users@global.libreoffice.org; officesecur...@lists.freedesktop.org 
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 13:08
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Suggestions: Sorry but the feedback page is not 
working, I am sending by email
 

Sorry but the feedback page is not working, I am sending by email

Via Google

Hello,

I downloaded the package LibreOffice, because I am currently the a Visual
Basic and MsAccess programmer.

And I thought a very good tool, however I would like to send some
suggestions.

The suggestions are:

1 - Password Option to prevent the drawing mode for end users, objects from
the database as Forms, Tables, Reports, and Macros

2 - Option to start creating a form that would be a menu option to open
other forms, views, tables, queries and reports.

3 - Boot Options to a database, with the ability to more easily hide the
toolbars and menus.

End users are not familiar with many tools and buttons. And they need ease
and simplicity to be able to use a program.

4 - To have to import macros, and ask the password protection code,
discourages programmers to distribute databases for end-users and even by
the internet. Ideally macros not needed to be imported, and they would only
be allocated in a sub-folder of the archive database.

If these options could be implemented, surely this would stimulate much
MsAccess programmers to migrate to LibreOfficeBase.

Thank you.

Best Regards

Rodrigo Bigo Jr
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[libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation

2013-09-06 Thread Ken Springer

On 9/6/13 6:56 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 09/06/2013 05:20 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/5/13 9:23 AM, T. R. Valentine wrote:

As a follow-up to our earlier discussion of one versus two spaces
following a full point/full stop/period, I offer the following passage
from /About Face: Reviving the Rules of Typography/ by David Jury
(typos mine):


snip

sigh  With the different ways people reply to this group, this
discussion is all over the place when using gmane and a newsreader.   :-(

I think I've got all of these messages read, and it seems to me
everyone has overlooked one thing, the font itself.  What did the
designer do with the individual characters and punctuation marks and
whatever else may be in the font regarding white space in the glyph
itself?

It seems logical to me that's going to make a difference in whether
the spacing after a period, for example, should be 1, 1.5, or 2
spaces.  And maybe, you'll just have to do some manual kerning.

Or...  Am I missing something?


Ken,

I don't think you're missing anything, but most of us aren't using LO to
prepare the *final* version of a document for  professional publication
(i.e., books, magazines, etc.). I would truly hope that a publishing
house would do more than just take a word processing document and print
it out in book format. (In fact, many professional writers use nothing
more than Notepad, saying their publishers strip all user-inserted
formatting anyway). So, if there's any manual kerning to be done, I
would expect that to be done on a level far above LO.

When I argue for one space instead of two, I'm thinking in terms of
business letters, memos, legal briefs (I'm a lawyer) or scholastic
papers (I also teach at our local university). These are the types of
documents I prepare with LO, and when preparing them, I want to follow
professional typographic standards as much as I can. Ergo, one space.
But, manual kerning goes beyond what I think should be expected of
anyone on this level of document preparation.


Virgil,

I understand wanting to follow best shop practices for printing. 
Which is why I'm just starting out on giving LyX a run for some things I 
want to write.


But, even being that anal (LOL), it doesn't answer my questions about 
the design of the font itself, and the effect of the design, regardless 
of who does the final setup of the document.


I kinda stayed out of the one space or two discussion, but if you look 
at this post, which has both your style (one space) and mine (two 
spaces), when it's a monospace font as I see this post I find the single 
space more difficult to read.  Not terribly, but harder.   :-)  If if 
the font is proportional, I generally stumble at the beginning when 
reading a document of some kind that has single spaces at the end of the 
sentence until the brain adjusts.  Too often, my brain interprets a 
single spacing at the end of a sentence as just one long, very long, run 
on sentence.  :-)


When I get the time, and have a reason to use LO again, I'm going to go 
into the autocorrect function and see if I can follow my own suggestion 
in another thread about substitution of a different space when the right 
punctuation/space combinations are typed, following my ingrained habits. 
   LOL


Kind of an off topic questions, but don't a lot of legal papers use full 
justification?



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Thunderbird 17.0.8
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation

2013-09-06 Thread Bruce Byfield
On Friday 06 September 2013 05:56:49 PM Virgil Arrington wrote:

 
 I don't think you're missing anything, but most of us aren't using LO to
 prepare the *final* version of a document for  professional publication
 (i.e., books, magazines, etc.). I would truly hope that a publishing
 house would do more than just take a word processing document and print
 it out in book format. 

I know of several publishers who work directly from ODF files. With a couple 
of exceptions, Writer has most of the tools needed for a thoroughly 
professional design job, allegedly because when the original code was being 
written in the days of Star Division, they were told they would have to use 
what they wrote for documentation.

The trick is to know what options to use, and which to ignore (topics that, if 
you forgive the shameless plug, I am currently grappling with the book I am 
writing with Jean Hollis Weber).

For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much as an 
intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually substitute it very 
successfully for proprietary tools like FrameMaker.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base: Automatically Open a Form?

2013-09-06 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak

Off hand, the only way I know to do that is to

1. write a macro that is able to open a form

2. Assign the macro to run on a document open event.


There may be another way, but not of which I am aware.


On 09/06/2013 05:49 PM, Tod Hopkins wrote:

I am looking for a method to automatically opening default form when opening a 
Base file.  Any ideas?

Cheers,
   tod


Tod Hopkins
Hillmann  Carr Inc.
2233 Wisconsin Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20007
202-342-0001
todhopk...@hillmanncarr.com









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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: spacing after punctuation

2013-09-06 Thread John Jason Jordan
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:18:34 -0700
Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net dijo:

For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much as
an intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually
substitute it very successfully for proprietary tools like FrameMaker.

That is correct, but bear in mind that FrameMaker, like Writer or TeX,
is not a page layout application like Scribus, InDesign, QuarkXPress or
PageMaker, inter alia. 

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