Re: [libreoffice-users] [Changes in menus, WAS Copying slides from . . .]

[Virgil Arrington]

Roy,

Thank you for your thoughts on menu-redesign.

My comment about not knowing why this particular change was needed was 
not intended as a complaint, although I can see how it could have been 
taken that way.

I am *extremely* grateful to the LO developers for their overall 
consistency in user interface from one release to the next. I'm 
especially grateful that they have never followed Microsoft's lead with 
the ribbon, a total redesign that did nothing other than take up screen 
real estate.

I can understand why some things may make more sense in a different 
place on the menu. For example, "Insert > File..." may give the 
impression that the only thing that can be inserted is an entire Impress 
file rather than select slides from that file, or a user might think it 
refers to files other than other Impress files. By moving the function 
to "Slide > Insert Slides from File..." a user may more clearly 
understand what the function provides.

I consider a change like this to be extremely minor, and once learned, I 
will quickly forget that there used to be a different way.

And, given the open source nature of LO, it always seems that the help 
files lag behind the improvements to the program itself.

Virgil


On 04/18/2018 03:14 PM, Roy Reese wrote:
>> Enviar: martes 17 de abril de 2018 a las 22:44
>> De: anne-ology 
>> Para: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Copying slides from one presentation to 
>> another]
>>
>> Thank you for responding; maybe you've figured this out for me.
>>
>> I'll be attempting this soon,
> Anne,
>
> Do you have the help files installed? I don't generally use Impress, but I 
> know from changes in Writer that I have had to look for things (including the 
> Insert Document function from 5.x). I just opened Impress (6.0.3.2) and a) 
> (based on Virgil's reply), found the insert file function slide function 
> (oddly to me, under Slide rather than Insert) and b) checked the help file 
> which in an sub-entry for insert has instructions for inserting either a 
> whole file or selected slides.
>
> This is similar to changes in Writer, although, actually, more accessible in 
> the Impress help file than the Writer one. Actually, I cannot find equivalent 
> help in Writer at the moment as the Insert document is now handled by Insert 
> text from document which I do not see documented or at least clearly indexed 
> (at least in my Spanish-language help files), neither do I see the 
> possibility of selecting only part of the text before insertion (which makes 
> the label for the command misleading).
>
> Anne and Virgil,
>
> I am not sure why some menus have changed, but I think that we have to 
> recognize that LO faces two issues. First, some of the menus are exceedingly 
> long at this point (at least in Writer) and so subject to reorganization. 
> Second, some functions may be redone rather than completely lost, and redoing 
> should, perhaps be our first assumption leading us to either hunt around, 
> check the help files, or, later, resort to the forum.
>
> In addition, since we are using the bleeding edge version of LO, we have to 
> expect not only changes, but perhaps some flaws in those changes and be 
> prepared to give feedback. I have discovered one problem with resizing 
> related to Gtk3 in 6.0. I find one change in Word annoying (where one could 
> formerly create columns by marking the text and clicking "columns" and now 
> must insert a section and then the text in the section). There feedback is 
> the crucial thing. The column command change may be related to changing and 
> expanding functionality or simply a lack of understanding of good workflow 
> for the users (although I will give the benefit of the doubt here). In this 
> case I am foregoing feedback at the moment because, while I find the prior 
> organization more flexible and reasonable in terms of workflow, I cannot say 
> it impedes my work. It simply changes the order in which I do things.
>
> Best,
> Roy
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Changes in menus, WAS Copying slides from . . .]

[Roy Reese]

> Enviar: martes 17 de abril de 2018 a las 22:44
> De: anne-ology 
> Para: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] [Copying slides from one presentation to 
> another]
>
>Thank you for responding; maybe you've figured this out for me.
> 
>I'll be attempting this soon,
Anne,

Do you have the help files installed? I don't generally use Impress, but I know 
from changes in Writer that I have had to look for things (including the Insert 
Document function from 5.x). I just opened Impress (6.0.3.2) and a) (based on 
Virgil's reply), found the insert file function slide function (oddly to me, 
under Slide rather than Insert) and b) checked the help file which in an 
sub-entry for insert has instructions for inserting either a whole file or 
selected slides.

This is similar to changes in Writer, although, actually, more accessible in 
the Impress help file than the Writer one. Actually, I cannot find equivalent 
help in Writer at the moment as the Insert document is now handled by Insert 
text from document which I do not see documented or at least clearly indexed 
(at least in my Spanish-language help files), neither do I see the possibility 
of selecting only part of the text before insertion (which makes the label for 
the command misleading).

Anne and Virgil,

I am not sure why some menus have changed, but I think that we have to 
recognize that LO faces two issues. First, some of the menus are exceedingly 
long at this point (at least in Writer) and so subject to reorganization. 
Second, some functions may be redone rather than completely lost, and redoing 
should, perhaps be our first assumption leading us to either hunt around, check 
the help files, or, later, resort to the forum.

In addition, since we are using the bleeding edge version of LO, we have to 
expect not only changes, but perhaps some flaws in those changes and be 
prepared to give feedback. I have discovered one problem with resizing related 
to Gtk3 in 6.0. I find one change in Word annoying (where one could formerly 
create columns by marking the text and clicking "columns" and now must insert a 
section and then the text in the section). There feedback is the crucial thing. 
The column command change may be related to changing and expanding 
functionality or simply a lack of understanding of good workflow for the users 
(although I will give the benefit of the doubt here). In this case I am 
foregoing feedback at the moment because, while I find the prior organization 
more flexible and reasonable in terms of workflow, I cannot say it impedes my 
work. It simply changes the order in which I do things.

Best,
Roy

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What jar files and environment variables to use for Java LibreOffice programs?

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 17/04/18 18:22, Bill Janssen wrote:

Thanks!  That's what I was looking for.  But it says, "This page was
last modified on 13 May 2009, at 08:04".  Is it still up-to-date, would
you know?


Yes; little has changed in that area since then.  (And LO is still 
pointing at the original OOo Developer's Guide, now hosted at Apache, 
because we couldn't copy it IIUC.)


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