Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't print a document

2018-08-06 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi Eddie.
Can you start with a new document, put some text on it and print.

This should tell if the problem is related to the specific document.

When you go to print your big table, what printer is shown in the print 
dialogue, is it the one you have connected.


Steve

On 07/08/18 13:54, Eddie wrote:

On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 00:47:59 +0100
Tom Davies  wrote:


Hi :)
Sorry to ask but which OS or platform are you using?  Windows,
Gnu or some other?

I'm not sure if it is relevant but which version of LibreOffice?  The
"Help" menu under "About" usually gives that sort of information.

Also have you tried "print to file" instead of selecting a printer -
and then choose Pdf format so that you can have a quick poke around
in the resulting file to see if that looks about right or is also
just blank.

Does the printer feed quite a few blank pages or does it just rattle
a bit and then just sit there glowering or acting all innocent or
something?

Sorry i can't give any sensible suggestions!  Tim @ Kracked Press is
often good at printer issues.

Regards from
a Tom :)

Hello again Tom,

First, I indeed should have stated the OS, which is Windows 10, and the
LibreOffice version, which is 6.05.2.

The printer didn't send out any blank pages; it sat there like nothing
at all was happening.

Second, you made an *extremely* sensible suggestion, for which I thank
you.

Print to File didn't work; it created a shortcut but not a file - not
even a zero-byte file. I then tried (and I have no idea why I didn't
think of it before) LibreO's "Export to .pdf", which did generate
a real live .pdf. I then opened the .pdf in Microsoft Edge (which is
quite good at displaying them), and yes! It printed perfectly and looks
just as good as the many similar table-based documents I've printed
directly from LibreOffice.

If Tim @ Kracked Press or any toner-stained mavens happen on this, I
would be interested to know if there are any subtle settings that might
derail normal printing. I'm guessing that a corner of the file got
boofed somewhere, but I've never had this happen before just out of
the blue like that, and my curiosity is piqued.

Thanks again,

Eddie





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't print a document

2018-08-06 Thread Eddie
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 00:47:59 +0100
Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Sorry to ask but which OS or platform are you using?  Windows,
> Gnu or some other?
> 
> I'm not sure if it is relevant but which version of LibreOffice?  The
> "Help" menu under "About" usually gives that sort of information.
> 
> Also have you tried "print to file" instead of selecting a printer -
> and then choose Pdf format so that you can have a quick poke around
> in the resulting file to see if that looks about right or is also
> just blank.
> 
> Does the printer feed quite a few blank pages or does it just rattle
> a bit and then just sit there glowering or acting all innocent or
> something?
> 
> Sorry i can't give any sensible suggestions!  Tim @ Kracked Press is
> often good at printer issues.
> 
> Regards from
> a Tom :)

Hello again Tom,

First, I indeed should have stated the OS, which is Windows 10, and the
LibreOffice version, which is 6.05.2.

The printer didn't send out any blank pages; it sat there like nothing
at all was happening.

Second, you made an *extremely* sensible suggestion, for which I thank
you.

Print to File didn't work; it created a shortcut but not a file - not
even a zero-byte file. I then tried (and I have no idea why I didn't
think of it before) LibreO's "Export to .pdf", which did generate
a real live .pdf. I then opened the .pdf in Microsoft Edge (which is
quite good at displaying them), and yes! It printed perfectly and looks
just as good as the many similar table-based documents I've printed
directly from LibreOffice.

If Tim @ Kracked Press or any toner-stained mavens happen on this, I
would be interested to know if there are any subtle settings that might
derail normal printing. I'm guessing that a corner of the file got
boofed somewhere, but I've never had this happen before just out of
the blue like that, and my curiosity is piqued.

Thanks again,

Eddie


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Can't print a document

2018-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Sorry to ask but which OS or platform are you using?  Windows, Gnu or
some other?

I'm not sure if it is relevant but which version of LibreOffice?  The
"Help" menu under "About" usually gives that sort of information.

Also have you tried "print to file" instead of selecting a printer - and
then choose Pdf format so that you can have a quick poke around in the
resulting file to see if that looks about right or is also just blank.

Does the printer feed quite a few blank pages or does it just rattle a bit
and then just sit there glowering or acting all innocent or something?

Sorry i can't give any sensible suggestions!  Tim @ Kracked Press is often
good at printer issues.

Regards from
a Tom :)



On 6 August 2018 at 23:55, Eddie  wrote:

> Make a liar outta me, willya? Mere hours after I sent a message to this
> list saying "I'm not sure I've *ever* had a LibreOffice document
> (Writer or Calc) fail on me", I ran into one.
>
> It's a Writer document; the whole thing is a three-column table with
> somewhat different information in each cell. There are 132 rows in
> twelve 8½ x 11 pages. There is some formatting: font attributes and
> sizes, no images, nothing really crazy.
>
> When I've tried to print it, the print "progress bar" (I think that's
> what you call it) takes a somewhat long time on the first page, then
> whips through the next eleven, and then nothing prints.
>
> It's probably a corrupted file. I can live with copy-and-pasting the
> contents into a template and making a brand new document, but I'd
> rather not. Is there some setting I might have unwittingly turned on
> that would forbid printing?
>
> I also tried saving it as a .docx in Writer, and the results were
> identical.
>
> I don't think the capacity of the hardware is at issue here; I have
> several documents very much like this one - some are larger - and have
> never had an iota of trouble printing any of them before or since. For
> the record, though, the printer is a Color LaserJet M477fdw.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Documents wearing out?

2018-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Yep, sounds good to me :)  It is tempting fate a bit to say such a thing so
i'm crossing my fingers as i try to tpye.

Regards from
a Tom :)

On 6 August 2018 at 23:41, Eddie  wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:46:15 +0100
> Tom Davies  wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > It 'shouldn't do'  but what should happen and what actually happens
> > are often at least 2 different things.  In this case it's very
> > unlikely to go wrong though.
> >
> > The main thing is to have a duplicate 'copy' in ODF format as a
> > back-up in case the file does go wonky.  Ideally either emailed to
> > yourself, or copied to a Cloud, or saved on a usb-stick or on a
> > different machine or just somewhere other than the 1 place you
> > usually use it from.
> >
> > I suspect that your file is of the type that it's already got several
> > old versions of itself floating around in different places already -
> > and that might be enough if the main up-to-date version ever does go
> > wonky.
> >
> > Between LibreOffice 3.x.x and 4.0.0 there were significant changes
> > that made it worth refreshing quite a lot of documents in the way you
> > suggested.  Ideally pasting as unformatted text or by going via a
> > text-editor to strip out all the cruft defunct formatting accumulated
> > over the years - and then reapplying styles and formatting after.
> >
> > I don't think it's been needed since then.
> >
> > If you bounce it around between different formats, especially if it's
> > been saved and re-used from a Microsoft format for MS Office 2010 or
> > more recent then it might well be a good idea to de-cruft it - but
> > that is more to do with the messiness and constantly changing
> > "transitional" versions of it's format used in different versions of
> > MS Office.
> >
> > If it's stayed as an Odt (or whatever) then the build-up of cruft is
> > unlikely to be noticeable.
> >
> > Regards from
> > a Tom :)
> >
>
> Thanks, Tom. This document has never been anything but an .odt, so I'm
> safe there. I haven't noticed the file size getting outlandishly
> bulbous, either. Once in a while I make a plain-text copy, so between
> that and a backup on a flash drive, it sounds like I'm safe continuing
> to do what I'm doing.
>
> Best,
>
> Eddie
>
>

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[libreoffice-users] Can't print a document

2018-08-06 Thread Eddie
Make a liar outta me, willya? Mere hours after I sent a message to this
list saying "I'm not sure I've *ever* had a LibreOffice document
(Writer or Calc) fail on me", I ran into one.

It's a Writer document; the whole thing is a three-column table with
somewhat different information in each cell. There are 132 rows in
twelve 8½ x 11 pages. There is some formatting: font attributes and
sizes, no images, nothing really crazy.

When I've tried to print it, the print "progress bar" (I think that's
what you call it) takes a somewhat long time on the first page, then
whips through the next eleven, and then nothing prints.

It's probably a corrupted file. I can live with copy-and-pasting the
contents into a template and making a brand new document, but I'd
rather not. Is there some setting I might have unwittingly turned on
that would forbid printing?

I also tried saving it as a .docx in Writer, and the results were
identical.

I don't think the capacity of the hardware is at issue here; I have
several documents very much like this one - some are larger - and have
never had an iota of trouble printing any of them before or since. For
the record, though, the printer is a Color LaserJet M477fdw.

Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Documents wearing out?

2018-08-06 Thread Eddie
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:46:15 +0100
Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> It 'shouldn't do'  but what should happen and what actually happens
> are often at least 2 different things.  In this case it's very
> unlikely to go wrong though.
> 
> The main thing is to have a duplicate 'copy' in ODF format as a
> back-up in case the file does go wonky.  Ideally either emailed to
> yourself, or copied to a Cloud, or saved on a usb-stick or on a
> different machine or just somewhere other than the 1 place you
> usually use it from.
> 
> I suspect that your file is of the type that it's already got several
> old versions of itself floating around in different places already -
> and that might be enough if the main up-to-date version ever does go
> wonky.
> 
> Between LibreOffice 3.x.x and 4.0.0 there were significant changes
> that made it worth refreshing quite a lot of documents in the way you
> suggested.  Ideally pasting as unformatted text or by going via a
> text-editor to strip out all the cruft defunct formatting accumulated
> over the years - and then reapplying styles and formatting after.
> 
> I don't think it's been needed since then.
> 
> If you bounce it around between different formats, especially if it's
> been saved and re-used from a Microsoft format for MS Office 2010 or
> more recent then it might well be a good idea to de-cruft it - but
> that is more to do with the messiness and constantly changing
> "transitional" versions of it's format used in different versions of
> MS Office.
> 
> If it's stayed as an Odt (or whatever) then the build-up of cruft is
> unlikely to be noticeable.
> 
> Regards from
> a Tom :)
> 

Thanks, Tom. This document has never been anything but an .odt, so I'm
safe there. I haven't noticed the file size getting outlandishly
bulbous, either. Once in a while I make a plain-text copy, so between
that and a backup on a flash drive, it sounds like I'm safe continuing
to do what I'm doing.

Best,

Eddie


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Documents wearing out?

2018-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It 'shouldn't do'  but what should happen and what actually happens are
often at least 2 different things.  In this case it's very unlikely to go
wrong though.

The main thing is to have a duplicate 'copy' in ODF format as a back-up in
case the file does go wonky.  Ideally either emailed to yourself, or copied
to a Cloud, or saved on a usb-stick or on a different machine or just
somewhere other than the 1 place you usually use it from.

I suspect that your file is of the type that it's already got several old
versions of itself floating around in different places already - and that
might be enough if the main up-to-date version ever does go wonky.

Between LibreOffice 3.x.x and 4.0.0 there were significant changes that
made it worth refreshing quite a lot of documents in the way you
suggested.  Ideally pasting as unformatted text or by going via a
text-editor to strip out all the cruft defunct formatting accumulated over
the years - and then reapplying styles and formatting after.

I don't think it's been needed since then.

If you bounce it around between different formats, especially if it's been
saved and re-used from a Microsoft format for MS Office 2010 or more recent
then it might well be a good idea to de-cruft it - but that is more to do
with the messiness and constantly changing "transitional" versions of it's
format used in different versions of MS Office.

If it's stayed as an Odt (or whatever) then the build-up of cruft is
unlikely to be noticeable.

Regards from
a Tom :)



On 6 August 2018 at 17:55, Eddie  wrote:

> I have a to-do list in Writer that I update and save at least once a
> day. I've had the same document for several months, and have probably
> revised and saved it 250 times.
>
> I have had no problem at all with it, but I'm wondering if a document
> that has been used and abused that often may be prone to corruption or
> damage? Should I consider cut-and-pasting the information into a blank
> document on a regular schedule? Or just do the whole thing over from
> scratch, also on a regular schedule?
>
> I'm not sure I've *ever* had a LibreOffice document (Writer or Calc)
> fail on me, but I'm certain I've never put one through the grinder at
> this pace.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo

2018-08-06 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
When you photocopy something or when an artist copies a famous painting
there are usually differences between the copy and the original.  The copy
is often thought of as inferrior.  If you take a photocopy of a photocopy
of something and keep on going copying the most recent copy rather than the
original then the newer copy's quality plummets.

If you look at a dinner fork then which of the prongs is the continuation
of the handle?  Can it be said that only 1 is the original handle and the
others are just copies?  Of course the prongs are usually all smaller and
thinner so maybe none of them are the original handle as none of them
resemble it.

If i email you a file then the copy you get is identical - so the idea that
it is a 'copy' rather than the original is just semantics.  Philosophically
we could argue that you now have the original and i have kept a copy.

When a project such as OOo forks it is even less clear which is the
original and which is the copy.  People who had applied changes to the
code-base under Sun found those changes finally approved and applied to the
same code-base but that was now becoming called LibreOffice.  While they
had been developing the code they had been OOo people·  Their code went to
OOo and got applied to LO.

Quite sizable chunks of code hadn't been changed since before even Sun,
back when OOo was called Star Office.

When Oracle bought-out Sun one of it's first acts was to completely cease
any communication with the community that had been working on OOo.  They
seized assets belonging to the community and restricted people's access to
various parts of the infrastructure that the community had built.  They
fired most of Sun's staff that had been working on OOo or redirected them
to work on other things.

Meanwhile an awesome bunch of 20 people had been enacting a plan that Sun
and the community had drawn-up to migrate OOo off to be it's own separate
and independent organisation.  So pretty much the only people working on
OOo at that time were continuing to move OOo forwards by making it
independent.  Most of the community followed them and i think some of the
ex-Sun staff also followed in a voluntary capacity.

All that Oracle kept was the name, the branding (which almost no-one had
ever heard of at that point), and a bit of a ghost town where there had
been a bustling vibrant community.  Their prong was seriously diminished
and was almost nothing like what OOo had been.

Also meanwhile the various forks that had been using OOo as the base of
their own projects almost all carried on seamlessly by using LO as their
base.  Even as it was forming TDF was FAR more responsive to community
developments than even Sun had been so a lot of those forks sent their work
upstream to LO, got their work approved and merged back into LO.

One of those forks was Go-OO, which collectively handled all the changes
required by all the different Gnu distros.  Their improvements had
been going on for over a decade so when they merged into LO the code was
massively improved and all the distros dropped the Sun OOo or Go-OO
branding and started using LibreOffice's - but by doing so they were
continuing to use the same thing that they always had been using.

It might only seem like semantics but we are not some random fragment
picked up by clueless people who had never worked on it before (although
some of us are - well i am).  We are not a cheap knock-off copy. I think
it's important for us to realise that we are part of a decades-old project
with the experience, wisdom and reliability that brings.

Regards from a Tom :)







On 6 August 2018 at 05:16, Tim-L  wrote:

>
> I switched to LibreOffice when OOo stopped sending our updates/upgrades.
>
> As for the code, I thought the developers worked on the code a lot to make
> it easier maintain and upgrade.
>
> Yes, I agree that if you used OOo, you will find LO very similar to use.
> Also there are many forks from the original OOo code made into individual
> projects.  I am glad I went with LibreOffice.
>
>
> On 08/05/2018 07:13 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> LO is a continuation of OOo, just a name-change and radical revamp of
>> infrastructure.  Most of the people and organisations that were in OOo
>> moved to LO and 'just' re-organised things to be a lot more sensible.  The
>> code was initially the same.
>>
>> So it was more like OOo had just moved offices and rebranded and finally
>> followed the years-old plan to reincorporate as an independent
>> organisation.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 August 2018 at 23:54, Tim-L  wrote:
>>
>> On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote:
>>>
>>> On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote:

 On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote:
>
> How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help
>> files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there
>> FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist.
>> Maybe sometime in 

[libreoffice-users] Documents wearing out?

2018-08-06 Thread Eddie
I have a to-do list in Writer that I update and save at least once a
day. I've had the same document for several months, and have probably
revised and saved it 250 times.

I have had no problem at all with it, but I'm wondering if a document
that has been used and abused that often may be prone to corruption or
damage? Should I consider cut-and-pasting the information into a blank
document on a regular schedule? Or just do the whole thing over from
scratch, also on a regular schedule?

I'm not sure I've *ever* had a LibreOffice document (Writer or Calc)
fail on me, but I'm certain I've never put one through the grinder at
this pace.

Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS word doc with tables: spell check does not work

2018-08-06 Thread Felmon Davis

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018, Uwe Brauer wrote:


"libreoffice-ml" == libreoffice-ml mbourne 
 writes:


  > Uwe Brauer wrote:
  > I assume the word you're typing is spelled incorrectly? Of course the
  > spell checker will skip over it if spelled correctly in the selected
  > language.

  > You could try on the menu Tools > Language > For All Text > Spanish.
  > If Spanish isn't already listed there select More and then, under the
  > "Default Languages for Documents" section of the options dialog which
  > appears, select Spanish and check "For the current document only".

  > Check that the Spanish dictionary is definitely installed correctly.
  > In the dropdown box where you select the language, there should be a
  > tick with "ABC" alongside "Spanish".

  > If that still doesn't work, it might be worth saving the document in
  > ODT format, close and then open the ODT version. I don't think that's
  > likely to make any difference, but you may as well try if nothing else
  > helps.

  > If none of that helps, perhaps someone else here with more experience
  > of working in different languages might have some ideas...

Nothing helped, thanks.

I presume it is something wired with the fields in the table, the way
there were generated by MS Word


can you try copying the contents of a field onto the clipboard and 
pasting them back but using "paste special" and selecting your word 
processor's format?


I have lost track of the thread so forgive if already tried but what 
about saving the document as LO and then working on it?


f.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo

2018-08-06 Thread Joe conner



On 08/05/2018 04:54 PM, Tim-L wrote:

On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote:

On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote:

On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote:

How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help
files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there
FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist.
Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may
have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius
has decided it is unnecessary.

Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04.


I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT >
PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too.  However, I was able to add a
watermark by doing this:

  1. Use "Format > Page > Area"  menu to access the "Fill" setting.
  2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic"
 button to import my image.
  3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency 
setting

 of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting)

When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in
full color (no opacity).

Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer.

Hope this helps!

Peace...

"The Other" Tom




The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information:

https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/


Peace...

"The Other"  Tom



I use Format > Page > Area > Bitmap    to add a background image.


Thanks for the work-around. I downloaded and installed the offline help, 
and it still shows FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND. It makes sense to work 
on the code to make it easier to maintain but to exclude the help files 
from changes should be a resulting responsibility.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS word doc with tables: spell check does not work

2018-08-06 Thread Uwe Brauer
>>> "libreoffice-ml" == libreoffice-ml mbourne 
>>>  writes:

   > Uwe Brauer wrote:
   > I assume the word you're typing is spelled incorrectly? Of course the
   > spell checker will skip over it if spelled correctly in the selected
   > language.

   > You could try on the menu Tools > Language > For All Text > Spanish.
   > If Spanish isn't already listed there select More and then, under the
   > "Default Languages for Documents" section of the options dialog which
   > appears, select Spanish and check "For the current document only".

   > Check that the Spanish dictionary is definitely installed correctly.
   > In the dropdown box where you select the language, there should be a
   > tick with "ABC" alongside "Spanish".

   > If that still doesn't work, it might be worth saving the document in
   > ODT format, close and then open the ODT version. I don't think that's
   > likely to make any difference, but you may as well try if nothing else
   > helps.

   > If none of that helps, perhaps someone else here with more experience
   > of working in different languages might have some ideas...

Nothing helped, thanks.

 I presume it is something wired with the fields in the table, the way
there were generated by MS Word

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