Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On 7/5/2019 4:28 PM, James Knott wrote: > > Many years ago, I used Wordstar 2000 at work and it had similar issues > with all the formatting codes. I'd often go through documents clearing > up the mess others had created because they didn't understand what the > formatting codes did. Like WP, Wordstar had a method to display the > mess^H^H^H^H formatting created with those codes. > With WP, I recall seeing paragraphs beginning with a string of conflicting formatting codes such as . It appeared that, as a user made formatting changes, the program would just add the new code without deleting the formatting being replaced. The program would only apply the last code, but all the earlier ones remained in place until they were deleted using reveal codes, which was a real life saver with WP. To my knowledge, that sort of thing doesn't happen with LO, making reveal codes unnecessary. To me, using reveal codes in LO is like trying to use a gas gauge on an electric car. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
Den tors 4 juli 2019 kl 18:16 skrev John : > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 07:45 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote: > > Hi > > > > > From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support > > Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and sometimes > > it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a > > macro/extension. > > > > Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the > > wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO 1.2, > > using the sxw format. > > > > I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work. > > > > Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those > > macros to LO 6.2? > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > Uwe Brauer > > > Just in case any further support for this change is desired, one of the > all-time > BEST features of Word Perfect was "reveal codes". You could actually use > it to > figure out why the page format was not as expected! > > I would love to see this feature added to Libre Office! > If you use styles the way it's intended, you won't have those problems in the first place. I have never had them (as far as I remember), even when I was not using styles properly. Direct formatting should generally be avoided, if you ask me. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg > > John > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On 2019-07-05 04:10 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Some 25 years ago, the government law office where I worked used > WordPerfect exclusively and we all relied on Reveal Codes, which was a > necessity because of the way we worked with WP. Although it had some > style functionality, we never used it; instead we used WP like a digital > typewriter, inserting formatting codes as we typed. Because of the way > WP inserted formatting codes, one could do all sorts of things that > today's word processors might forbid, such as changing line spacing or > margins in the middle of a paragraph. It wasn't unusual that, after a > while, a document would get full of formatting codes that were neither > needed nor desired, so reveal codes was necessary to sort it all out and > clean things up. I bet that office still uses FAX. ;-) Many years ago, I used Wordstar 2000 at work and it had similar issues with all the formatting codes. I'd often go through documents clearing up the mess others had created because they didn't understand what the formatting codes did. Like WP, Wordstar had a method to display the mess^H^H^H^H formatting created with those codes. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On 7/4/2019 10:32 PM, jomali wrote: > I don't remember the details of the sxw format. Perhaps reveal codes were > appropriate then. However, ODF files have a complex SGML or HTML or XML > type format, along with a form of CSS, unlike WordPerfect and similar > programs, which used embedded code to delineate format changes. That is, > there are no format codes to reveal in ODF documents. Any program that > pretended to show some kind of "format code" would be hopelessly > misleading. > Some 25 years ago, the government law office where I worked used WordPerfect exclusively and we all relied on Reveal Codes, which was a necessity because of the way we worked with WP. Although it had some style functionality, we never used it; instead we used WP like a digital typewriter, inserting formatting codes as we typed. Because of the way WP inserted formatting codes, one could do all sorts of things that today's word processors might forbid, such as changing line spacing or margins in the middle of a paragraph. It wasn't unusual that, after a while, a document would get full of formatting codes that were neither needed nor desired, so reveal codes was necessary to sort it all out and clean things up. Then, one weekend, our IT department came in and blew off WP and installed Word. At first, we all rebelled, in part because we no longer had our beloved reveal codes. But, after a while, I learned how to use Word's style functionality and, then, when I began using StarOffice, then OpenOffice, then LO, I transferred the style mentality to those programs as well. Now that I have learned page, paragraph, and character styles, I would never dream of returning to a program like WP. More importantly, I find I never need reveal codes because it is simply unnecessary considering the way LO works. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Re: Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
>>> "j" == jomali writes: > I don't remember the details of the sxw format. Perhaps reveal codes were > appropriate then. However, ODF files have a complex SGML or HTML or XML > type format, along with a form of CSS, unlike WordPerfect and similar > programs, which used embedded code to delineate format changes. That is, > there are no format codes to reveal in ODF documents. Any program that > pretended to show some kind of "format code" would be hopelessly > misleading. If I remember correctly sxw was a lot like odt, styles included, the changes between both was mostly name conventions of the tags etc, but I am not completely sure. But right wordperfect has a different approach then OO or even word, but may that reveal code feature could work for those documents which take more a visual approach and don't rely much on styles. BTW I just remembered there is a app called cross eyes for Word 2011, which has some reveal functionality and Word 2011 used already xml based file formats. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
