Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO

2019-07-06 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Den lör 6 juli 2019 kl 00:34 skrev fudmier :

> Styles the way they are supposed to be is 
>
>
Just that it's worth the time to make sure you have all the styles you'll
need and always use them, rather than using direct formatting. There are a
bit more to styles that first meet the eye. At work I see people work with
Word and they do all kinds of insane stuff, direct formatting everything
and very soon it's all a mess that's hard to sort out. Nothing looks
consistent and, well, I already said it, everything is a mess. For
instance, I see people use Word like they would use a typewriter. They do
blank lines to increase the distance between paragraphs (instead of setting
the distance to the next paragraph in the style itself), and when writing
things in columns they use space characters and so on. I think I have seen
most kinds of crazy things being done in Word (which is what they use at my
work). Suddenly they find that all headers are a bit too big or too small,
then they have to edit a hundred pages maybe and they just spend time doing
things that they wouldn't need to do if they did it right in the first
place. Some people like to mess with fonts as well, making several words in
each paragraph bold, for instance, which usually doesn't add anything
useful for anybody. Sure, there can be reasons to do that once in a while,
but too much just looks messy.

If you do your styles right, you will only use your Enter key once for each
paragraph or header, and never more than once in a row. Your text will look
consistent and there is no mess to deal with. Instead of inventing
different ways to deal with a mess, just don't create the mess!

But as someone pointed out, sometimes someone else wrote the document and
maybe in a different format, but there are ways to deal with that too, as
someone also already described in this thread.

Another thing to mention is of course that in LibreOffice (and Apache
OpenOffice) there are no ”codes” to reveal in the first place, so if we
must have such a feature, those codes has to be faked somehow. That doesn't
seem like a good way to make LibreOffice faster…


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg


>
> On 2019-07-05 04:35 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> > Den tors 4 juli 2019 kl 18:16 skrev John :
> >
> >> On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 07:45 +0200, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
>   From time to time the question pops up whether LO could support
> >>> Wordperfects reveal code. The developer are not too keen, and sometimes
> >>> it is stated that this feature could be implemented by a
> >>> macro/extension.
> >>>
> >>> Now I remember that long time ago such macros existed and using the
> >>> wayback machine I found them. They were written around 2005 for OO 1.2,
> >>> using the sxw format.
> >>>
> >>> I tried them out in LO 6.2 and they don't work.
> >>>
> >>> Is there somebody with enough knownledge in macros to translate those
> >>> macros to LO 6.2?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and regards
> >>>
> >>> Uwe Brauer
> >>>
> >> Just in case any further support for this change is desired, one of the
> >> all-time
> >> BEST features of Word Perfect was "reveal codes".  You could actually
> use
> >> it to
> >> figure out why the page format was not as expected!
> >>
> >> I would love to see this feature added to Libre Office!
> >>
> > If you use styles the way it's intended, you won't have those problems in
> > the first place. I have never had them (as far as I remember), even when
> I
> > was not using styles properly. Direct formatting should generally be
> > avoided, if you ask me.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnny Rosenberg
> >
> >
> >> John
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO

2019-07-06 Thread Dan Lewis



On 7/6/19 5:18 AM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

Den tors 4 juli 2019 kl 18:16 skrev John :
If you use styles the way it's intended, you won't have those problems in
the first place. I have never had them (as far as I remember), even when I
was not using styles properly. Direct formatting should generally be
avoided, if you ask me.

Yes if you only work with odt documents. But if you force to deal with
docx and you run into problems, that feature might be useful.


I have a .docx file that I experimented with. These are the things that 
I did with it.


1) Opened the .docx file in LO 6.2.5.1, and saved it as a .odt file.

2) Used Control+A to select the entire document.

3) Right clicked the text and then selected "Clear Direct Formatting".

4) Used LO to reformat the document to match the original documents layout.

I did run into problems with hyperlinks as they retained the original 
format especially the font and font size. To get around that, I 
recreated the hyperlinks along side of the originals. Then I erased the 
originals.


If you want, I could take a look at your document to see what could be 
done with it.


Dan


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO

2019-07-06 Thread Uwe Brauer


> Den tors 4 juli 2019 kl 18:16 skrev John :

> If you use styles the way it's intended, you won't have those problems in
> the first place. I have never had them (as far as I remember), even when I
> was not using styles properly. Direct formatting should generally be
> avoided, if you ask me.

Yes if you only work with odt documents. But if you force to deal with
docx and you run into problems, that feature might be useful.

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