Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [libreoffice-users] Macros in spreadsheets

[Tim-L]

Your mail list emails are now being marked as spam.  Why, I cannot find out.



On 1/3/23 14:51, Steve Edmonds wrote:
I understand what you are seeing, I had the same issue with a macro 
for a function, I called it money() for rounding financial tax 
calculations appropriately. At some point when I updated LO it just 
stopped calculating displaying as you describe and I had to go through 
the same rigmarole you are experiencing for it to recalculate.
Not sure if I resolved the issue or gave up, I will need to dig the 
sheet out.

Steve

On 3/01/23 11:13 am, Michael Tiernan wrote:

On 12/23/22 11:02 AM, Andrew Pitonyak wrote:

If you are looking to cause functions to recalculate,


Thanks for the reply.

Here's the thing. It's not that I want to force a recalculate, it's 
that I have to in order to get the macros to respond.


Here's an example: (What I expect when the spreadsheet finishes 
opening.)


/*Cell*//*
*/ /*Contents*//*
*/ /*Display*//*
*/
D1
192.168.17.231/24
192.168.17.231/24
D2
=ipwithoutmask(D1)
192.168.17.231
D3
=ipmask(D1)
255.255.255.0
D4
=ipmasklken(D3)
24

Now, when I actually do open the spreadsheet, it says:

/*Cell*//*
*/ /*Contents*//*
*/ /*Display*//*
*/
D1
192.168.17.231/24
192.168.17.231/24
D2
=ipwithoutmask(D1)
#NAME?
D3
=ipmask(D1)
#NAME?
D4
=ipmasklken(D3)
#NAME?

So, if I say it differently, it *seems* like the Macros aren't run 
when the spreadsheet is opened.


The macro library has a "Main" entry that is empty. If I choose 
"Tools" -> "Macros" -> "Run macro" and then select "Main" and execute 
it, there's no visible change.


BUT, if I go into the contents of "D2" and add a space at the end of 
the formula "=ipwithoutmask(D1)" to read "=ipwithoutmask(D1) " and 
hit return and the macro executes and displays the proper value.


HOWEVER, none of the other cells change so I have to go into each one 
and do the same sort of thing, add a space at the end of the line or 
between the macro and the parenthesis, each time, hit return and it 
works properly.


This is obviously not the correct way it should work.

Hence my query about "starting" macros when the document is opened.

So, that leads to, am *I* doing something wrong?

Thanks for everyone's time.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Transparency issue saving to .doc/docx

[Tim-L]

The problem is to make the document work in the MS Office Writer package 
by the user.


I wanted to give him the option to edit the text part of the flier 
instead of me doing the edits and then send back to him a PDF, the more 
edits.


If he could do the edits himself, it would be easier on both of us.  
Time constraints can get into the way for the emailing back and forth 
for the needed edits. He needed the flier out in the next couple of 
days, to get the printer to have it ready in time to get it out for over 
a week before the event happens.


I cut my teeth with Corel Draw, but not have Inkscape on both my Ubuntu 
and Windows systems.  He would not have access to it.


If I cannot do it in LO, or do not know how, I switch to Inkscape and 
maybe GIMP.  As for plain SVG formats, I have no way to know if MSO can 
handle it the way I need it to be done.




On 11/5/19 5:04 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:

This may or may not work.

You may want to look into creating a SVG incorporating underlying text 
with overlay images.


Suggest you look at Inkscape for creating a _plain_ (not Inkscape) 
SVG.  https://inkscape.org/




On 11/5/2019 4:31 PM, Tim-L wrote:

The problem is it gets up when I save it back to DOCX or DOC.  I have 
2 transparent background images that overlap each other to solve a 
visual need.  The problem is half the time the images lose their 
transparent backgrounds and cover up the underlying text.



#2
They are logo and a high def images that do not work well to break up 
and then realign them in some way to into a odd shaped space. It 
would be very hard to cut up the images so their borders are wavy and 
curved to match the free spaces.




2. Transparency

Consider breaking the image up, where the resulting pieces won't 
overlay
your text. That is, instead of leaving a border image with text 
appearing
inside it, place the border as multiple images, so that no text can 
"fall
behind" because the images never overlay.  This will require 
exporting the
image and cutting it, or placing the image multiple times and 
cropping it.

If you go the route of cropping the image within LO Write/MS Word, the
resulting document gets large and lags performance.









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Re: [libreoffice-users] Transparency issue saving to .doc/docx

[Tim-L]

#2
They are logo and a high def images that do not work well to break up 
and then realign them in some way to into a odd shaped space.  It would 
be very hard to cut up the images so their borders are wavy and curved 
to match the free spaces.


#1
With a "straight forward" transparency issue when saved to MSO formats, 
then I really do not know who it would work with character formatting to 
narrow a known font that works for both LibreOffice and MSO.


Yes, I forgot the line and character spacing options, but since I 
usually have a narrow version of a used font, it has not be needed for 
awhile. I will have to find out what fonts the various MS Windows have 
installed including the extras installed with MSO.  Then I may be able 
to find one of those in a narrow version.


Screen vs. printer, well I tend to print the PDF files.  The current 
printing menu within 6.3.x seems to look different than what I had in 
5.x.x.  So, I loose the ease to access the needed printer options, like 
specialty paper types that my printer natively supports. Those printers 
are Canon 9220 and HP Officejet 7000.




On 11/5/19 2:32 PM, Michael H wrote:

1. Condensing Fonts without installing a new font file:

You should be able to scale the width of text to achieve a similar fit,
that will survive transformation into MS Word. For every 10% reduction in
character width, you'll need to make a slight increase in character
spacing. That is in your paragraph style, set the character width to 80%,
and the character spacing to .1pt, and you should achieve a similar look
and fit with Calibri that you see with Liberation Condensed. You should
note that the appearance will vary quite a bit from screen to printer.
That is, this setting looks OK on my screen, but would probably look a bit
squashed on my printer. If your final intent is to print the document, you
should review the result carefully using the final printing method (output
to PDF, then printed on the final printing equipment) before deciding this
solution is usable.

2. Transparency

Consider breaking the image up, where the resulting pieces won't overlay
your text. That is, instead of leaving a border image with text appearing
inside it, place the border as multiple images, so that no text can "fall
behind" because the images never overlay.  This will require exporting the
image and cutting it, or placing the image multiple times and cropping it.
If you go the route of cropping the image within LO Write/MS Word, the
resulting document gets large and lags performance.




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[libreoffice-users] Transparency issue saving to .doc/docx

[Tim-L]

I received a DOCX file to fix it up for someone.

The problem is it gets up when I save it back to DOCX or DOC.  I have 2 
transparent background images that overlap each other to solve a visual 
need.  The problem is half the time the images lose their transparent 
backgrounds and cover up the underlying text.


At this point, I can send the guy a PDF file instead of a MS file.  His 
office does not have the newer MS Office that can read .odt [even badly].


ALSO, if we can solve this, what do I need to do to embed the font[s] 
into the edible document[s]?


I had to use a narrow font to include all the information needed/wanted 
instead of the included "Calibri" font.  I used "Liberation San 
Narrow".  He is not allowed to install any fonts on his side.  I do not 
know what, if any, narrow fonts he has access to.  On my end, I just 
used what narrow font allowed all of the text to fit and still look good 
for the event flier. I have, sometimes, too many fonts to decide on, on 
my side of the editing.  I have over 400 .ttf and .otf files in my .font 
folder. I have thousands to choose from in my collection.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 6.2.x save dialog on Linux

[Tim-L]

On 6/12/19 2:12 PM, aguador wrote:

Does anyone on the list, whether from the DF or a user, know if there
are plans to improve the save dialog?

As it stands, at least on Linux, separate partitions and connected
drives are no longer shown in the dialogue. Saving to such a partition
or drive means navigating there through the root directory. I know that
it is possible to save the location, but this does not help if you are
saving to a new or infrequently used external device.

If needed I will file a request for enhancement because the one step
forward for cloud users brought several steps back for connected
drives.


What Linux are you using, and what version of LibreOffice are you using?

I use Ubuntu Mate 18.04 and LO 6.2.4.2.

I plugged in a thumb drive and a 2T USB drive.  As long as they are 
mounted, I have no problems Saving files to it. I do not have to go up 
through to "root" to get to the file system / media / user / device 
folder / data file - the hard way. The dialog to save the file looks a 
lot like the Caja file manager dialog for saving.


Since we cannot include graphics here, I placed a JPG file on one of my 
domains that shows you what mine looks like.


http://lungstrom.com/holding/LO-save-screen.jpg

There use to be an option in earlier versions of LO [I think] that asks 
if you wanted to use LO's file manager for load/save or the system's 
file manager.  I do not see dialog in this version.




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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice-from-Collabora?

[Tim-L]

Has anyone heard of this package?

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LibreOffice-from-Collabora is the enterprise-ready version of the 
world’s most widely used Open Source office suite, LibreOffice .


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It was one of the packages from a list of replacements for LibreOffice 
on Linux computers.


Never did see why he wants to use something other than LO.  Some of the 
packages named may work, but I was told never use some of them for 
privacy issues.


This was on a Linux User Group posting.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Why do adding OXT palettes, not show alpha sorted?

[Tim-L]

On 2/12/19 2:17 PM, Luuk wrote:


On 11-2-2019 22:05, Tim-L wrote:
I am working on making color palettes - via individual or collection 
OXT files.


The problem is when I add them to LibreOffice 6.2.0.3, the font color 
drop down list of palettes is not sorted in any way, except the one 
that came with LO are the last ones shown.


Here is a link for what I am talking about.

http://libreoffice-na.us/font-color-palette-unsorted.jpg

Is there a reason why the list of color palettes is not sorted?

Any way to get it sorted, or do this needs to be done on the 
design/coding side?


Here is the start of my palette collection and individual one is OXT 
files.


http://libreoffice-na.us



I do see a sorted list , starting with

'costom'

than 'A' - 'Z'

than 'a' - 'z'

than 'Document colors'

(i just upgraded from 6.0.? to 6.2.0.3)







What is not sorted is the list of Color Palettes installed

Adler-color1200-Colors Palette-Collections.oxt 
Akzo-Nobel-Colormap-FD-Colors Pantano-Coated Resene-Colors Lego Brick 
Colors Saturated-Percent-Colors Name-That-Color Shading-Pan-Colors 
NBS-colors This is not sorted. When you have a large palette collection 
- over 60 - it is really hard to find the wanted palette. I will be 
reduce the Palette Collection OXT file to a smaller number. This will be 
after I decide which ones I do not want to use. About half may be 
removed and made into their own Color Palette OXT files. SO, is there 
any way to get the Color Palette Name drop down list sorted by 
alpha/name "A"- "Z"? Every one I will make will have an uppercase letter 
as its first letter of the palette's name.



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[libreoffice-users] Official United Colours of LibreOffice?

[Tim-L]

Has anyone heard of this title for a color selection and palette?

Official United Colours of LibreOffice?

I came across it in a large file of colors grouped by some type of names.

There was over 40 colors in the list.


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[libreoffice-users] Why do adding OXT palettes, not show alpha sorted?

[Tim-L]

I am working on making color palettes - via individual or collection OXT 
files.


The problem is when I add them to LibreOffice 6.2.0.3, the font color 
drop down list of palettes is not sorted in any way, except the one that 
came with LO are the last ones shown.


Here is a link for what I am talking about.

http://libreoffice-na.us/font-color-palette-unsorted.jpg

Is there a reason why the list of color palettes is not sorted?

Any way to get it sorted, or do this needs to be done on the 
design/coding side?


Here is the start of my palette collection and individual one is OXT files.

http://libreoffice-na.us




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Re: [libreoffice-users] I need some comments on this color palette extension

[Tim-L]

On 2/10/19 4:28 AM, Heiko Tietze wrote:

Here are some useful infos 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/03/29/libreoffice-extension-export-custom-palette/
 
<https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/03/29/libreoffice-extension-export-custom-palette/>
 (and the link to the extension that exports color palettes (from user palettesI to 
color extensions.


Am 08.02.2019 um 03:53 schrieb Tim-L :

I finally looked into creating the OXT file[s] for my color palettes SOC files.

...


The only problem I have faced is how to indicate that the new OXT file 
with a different palette can be installed along side of the other 
palette OXT file I created.  That is why I am working one a palette 
collection.  Also try to get the palettes to show up in alpha order on 
the LO's drop down list of palettes.


My page shows that I "blued out" the palettes that came with LibreOffice 
6.2.0.3 - DEB 64-Bit.


I am now up past 60 palettes, of my creation and others from the Open 
project I mentioned.  I will be looking into sorting out some of those 
palettes and/or combining them to reduce the total number listed.


One thing I like to do is sort out similar colors, gold and goldenrod, 
browns and wood related, and others I come up with that might be useful 
to me and others I know.  That is how I got into making some add on SOC 
files.  Now I want to make them available to others via an OXT file 
instead of trying to place the SOC files into the proper folder - now 
protected.




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[libreoffice-users] LO Color/Colour Palettes - a " the de facto industrial standard" system?

[Tim-L]

Has anyone here heard of the Open Colour Systems Collection?

I came onto it in 2016 - and forgot about to soon after.  So now I am 
revisiting it.


In my quest to make an OXT file with color palettes, I searched my 
folders with SOC palette files.  I found some interesting palette 
names.  Here is one for the British users, maybe. "British Standard 
Colours.soc"


I am going through these and seeing what they look like as a palette for 
LibreOffice.


Currently the listed palettes I have in my collection are shown in this 
image:


http://libreoffice-na.us/palettes-included-here-scaled.jpg


This is the extension file to add them to your copy of LibreOffice.

http://libreoffice-na.us/Palette-Collections.oxt


Since I have not heard of the Open Colour Systems Collection, here is a 
quote for the "read me" file.




What is "Open Colour Systems Collection"?

Open Colour Systems Collection (OCSC) contains more than 350 colour 
systems, all of which use the CIE L*a*b* colour model. You can integrate 
and distribute those with your software in accordance with the licence.



Why CIEL*a*b*?

While RGB/HSB/HSV or CMYK values always depend on a particular output 
target, L*a*b* values are target-agnostic.


Since its publication 40 years ago, CIE L*a*b* has become the de facto 
industrial standard for colour definitions in colour measurement and 
composition, and it's also being used in software. For instance, colour 
management works on the basis of tables or mathematical formulae, which 
are stored in so-called ICC profiles with L*a*b* playing the role of an 
"international prototype metre" for colours.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: I need some comments on this color palette extension

[Tim-L]

On 2/8/19 4:44 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

krackedpress wrote

I did not know you could split the listed colors so it makes a space
between the end of the LO colors and the start of the Resene colors.
...

So how do you add the "extra lines"?

...

Any 'text' editor, e.g. gvim or notepad++ on Windows, and insert a return.
Be sure to place it  the between the closing and opening bracket for the
stanza and not to clobber anything.



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Thanks.  Look at the "tonal" palette that came with the current 6.2.0.3 
version.  Those empty spaces look weird, and reads weird when you mouse 
over them.


Due to some issues I could not figure out, I could not create a second 
palette and add it along side of the Resene one - replace it, but not 
with it.


So I decided to make a "palette-collection" extension with a few of the 
SOC file I had on my laptop.  Here is the file's link.


http://libreoffice-na.us/Palette-Collections.oxt


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: I need some comments on this color palette extension

[Tim-L]

On 2/8/19 3:30 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

krackedpress wrote

I finally looked into creating the OXT file[s] for my color palettes SOC
files.

I would like some users to install it and see if it works with your
systems.

...

Hi Tim,

Testing on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit en-US with
Version: 6.1.4.2 (x64)
Build ID: 9d0f32d1f0b509096fd65e0d4bec26ddd1938fd3
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0; UI render: GL;
Locale: en-US (en_US); Calc: group threaded

The OXT loads without issue and the extension including the plain text XML
.soc file is dropped into the uno_packages for the current user %APPDATA

Extension installs for current user, no apparent way to adjust to install
for all users.

Removes without issue , and a cache cleanup after restart deletes the entry
in the uno_packages directory.

The .SOC file can be copied, and continues to work, to the default palette
directory in the install directory, e.g. C:\Program
Files\LibreOFfice\share\palette

The full palette loads into Draw's Color Bar once it has been set as in the
color picker run in another module.

The XML looks fine, but I would probably split line #14 to get that block of
LO colors onto their own lines.  With ~1400 colors, the extra lines are no
big deal but it improves readability of the color table.

All in all, looks to be a functional extension, if overwhelming.

Stuart




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I did not know you could split the listed colors so it makes a space 
between the end of the LO colors and the start of the Resene colors.  I 
may just take out the LO colors, and make it Resene colors only.  The 
list of Resene colors came from this file - 
http://people.csail.mit.edu/jaffer/Color/resene.pdf


So how do you add the "extra lines"?

I had to use a found color palette OXT files to serve as a template.  
The first one I tried failed to work.  The second file was setup a 
little different and it worked fine,



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[libreoffice-users] I need some comments on this color palette extension

[Tim-L]

I finally looked into creating the OXT file[s] for my color palettes SOC 
files.


I would like some users to install it and see if it works with your systems.

For now, I only have Ubuntu 18.04 for the testing OS.

I am using LibreOffice 6.2.0.3 for the testing.  Seems to work well for me.

Here is the direct link.  Once I know it works with Windows, then I will 
go through the process to have it go onto the Extension Pages.


http://libreoffice-na.us/LibreOffice-and-Resene-Colors.oxt

Please give me any constructive comments.


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[libreoffice-users] Have anyone used "AndroPorts:LibreOffice"?

[Tim-L]

Have anyone used "AndroPorts:LibreOffice"?

I just saw this in the Google Play "app store".

AndroPorts states it gives you a Linux desktop and applications for 
Android.


I am not interested in it right now, since I am running a Fire HD 10 
tablet that I added the 4 APKs needed to use Google Play apps, as well 
as the Amazon Fire apps on it.  I do not know what would happen if I 
added AndroPorts on top of that.


It could be a way to get LibreOffice on a Tablet till TDF gets a 
read/write version made.


If AndroPorts does work well enough, it would be an interesting way to 
get some of my favorite packages on my tablet - including LibreOffice.




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[libreoffice-users] This is something LO users can now do now that you may not have known about

[Tim-L]

I have been dealing LibreOffice since it came out.  It use it for almost 
every document and print job I do, now.  So I thought I would share this 
since this expands the self-printed options. I just want to let people 
know you can do it now.


I found WATERPROOF inkjet paper.

Never thought I would see that.[I also found paper with a warranty of 2 
years.]


Now users of LibreOffice can self-print their own signs without the need 
to give printing companies your file and hope they get it right. I 
cannot afford to wait like that anymore. You can do it on your 
"standard" inkjet printers.  I have a Canon photo printer, and a HP wide 
format printer for sheet sizes up to 13x19 inches. I no longer have to 
reprint the stuff that gets sprinkled on or spilled on.  I found paper 
from 4x6 inch to 13x19 inch sizes, from several brands and styles.


Now if you want to find a brand of waterproof photo paper [glossy, 
luster, satin] just go to Amazon, or other big site, and use "waterproof 
photo paper" as the keyword search.  I bought a letter size "Satin" 
finish style.  It cost me under 30¢ USD per sheet, where the glossy 
name-brand photo paper a little over 20¢ per sheet.


I have tested out one company's paper version and did that today. I 
forgot I had it on my shelf for over a month.  I printed a beautiful 
60's "Woodstock" style artwork and after a little bit, I sprayed it with 
a lot of water.  No running or bleeding, unlike other paper prints did 
when I did not know the table was a little "damp". I cannot tell you how 
prints I had to reprint because it got "watered".


SO all you people who do some printing work for yourself, friends, 
family, or a non-profit group [like I do] now you do not need to send 
them to a printing company [or photo counter at a drug store] to get the 
prints that will not need to be reprinted if it gets damp.  I know a few 
people and groups that would like that.  Some I just charge the cost of 
the supplies.


What would your boss would think of if you gave him/her a graphical 
report printed on waterproof paper. I do not have a boss anymore, but I 
know some of the printing of signs for outside events that would be 
prefer waterproof sheets.  I will be buying 11x17 inch gloss paper the 
next time I buy paper.  I print a lot of these size signs and posters.




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[libreoffice-users] why not everything kept during upgrade

[Tim-L]

I was running 6.0.6 version on Ubuntu 18.04.  I downloaded the and 
installed 6.1.2, like normal.


The recent documents were saved and available to the new version. Yet, 
the color palettes I had were not placed into the new "share/palette" 
folder.


I added them - again - to that folder so I can use them again.

So the question is - why not copy the palettes along with the recent 
document data?  Is there any reason I need to keep the 
".config/libreoffice" folder?




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo

[Tim-L]

I switched to LibreOffice when OOo stopped sending our updates/upgrades.

As for the code, I thought the developers worked on the code a lot to 
make it easier maintain and upgrade.


Yes, I agree that if you used OOo, you will find LO very similar to 
use.  Also there are many forks from the original OOo code made into 
individual projects.  I am glad I went with LibreOffice.


On 08/05/2018 07:13 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
LO is a continuation of OOo, just a name-change and radical revamp of
infrastructure.  Most of the people and organisations that were in OOo
moved to LO and 'just' re-organised things to be a lot more sensible.  The
code was initially the same.

So it was more like OOo had just moved offices and rebranded and finally
followed the years-old plan to reincorporate as an independent
organisation.
Regards from
a Tom :)




On 5 August 2018 at 23:54, Tim-L  wrote:


On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote:


On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote:


On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote:


How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help
files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there
FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist.
Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may
have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius
has decided it is unnecessary.

Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04.

I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT >

PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too.  However, I was able to add a
watermark by doing this:

   1. Use "Format > Page > Area"  menu to access the "Fill" setting.
   2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic"
  button to import my image.
   3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting
  of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting)

When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in
full color (no opacity).

Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer.

Hope this helps!

Peace...

"The Other" Tom



The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information:

https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/


Peace...

"The Other"  Tom


I use Format > Page > Area > Bitmapto add a background image.

I use to create an image for the watermark with  GIMP or other software
and make them look transparent there. I even test them with that package to
see how the graphic will work.  I made one for a letterhead that showed
printed, but would not copy when you try to use a printer/scanner or a copy
machine. This was a security feature I made for an organization I am still
on the board of [since 2007].

I have use the transparency menu for other background images and
watermarks.

I have been making watermarks and background images with foreground text
since the earliest days of LibreOffice and some of the later years of OOo -
a number of yours before LO came out.

I still need to upgrade to the next version [6.0.6, but have downloaded
the DEB install files.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Watermark Photo

[Tim-L]

On 08/05/2018 02:34 AM, Tom wrote:

On 08/04/2018 11:26 PM, Tom wrote:

On 08/04/2018 10:42 PM, Joe conner wrote:

How do I insert a photo into a word document as a watermark? The help
files are not helpful, the tabs that are sujpposed to be there
FORMAT -> PAGE -> BACKGROUND but the background tab does not exist.
Maybe sometime in past versions of LibreOffice it may
have, but in Version: 6.0.3.2 Build ID: 1:6.0.3-0ubuntu1 some genius
has decided it is unnecessary.

Using Ubuntu 64bit 18.04.


I'm running LibreOffice 5.1.6.2 on Linux Mint 18 an noticed "FORMAT >
PAGE > BACKGROUND" is missing too.  However, I was able to add a
watermark by doing this:

  1. Use "Format > Page > Area"  menu to access the "Fill" setting.
  2. I chose a "Fill" setting of "Bitmap" and used the "Import Graphic"
 button to import my image.
  3. Then, I went to the "Transparency" tab and set transparency setting
 of 85% (you'll probably want a higher setting)

When I then typed some text over the background image, the image was in
full color (no opacity).

Maybe this is the new/current way to add a watermark in Writer.

Hope this helps!

Peace...

"The Other" Tom




The LibreOffice Writer 6.0 guide also documents the above information:

https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/writer/


Peace...

"The Other"  Tom



I use Format > Page > Area > Bitmap    to add a background image.

I use to create an image for the watermark with  GIMP or other software 
and make them look transparent there. I even test them with that package 
to see how the graphic will work.  I made one for a letterhead that 
showed printed, but would not copy when you try to use a printer/scanner 
or a copy machine. This was a security feature I made for an 
organization I am still on the board of [since 2007].


I have use the transparency menu for other background images and watermarks.

I have been making watermarks and background images with foreground text 
since the earliest days of LibreOffice and some of the later years of 
OOo - a number of yours before LO came out.


I still need to upgrade to the next version [6.0.6, but have downloaded 
the DEB install files.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Newbie help needed please.

[Tim-L]

On 07/23/2018 10:20 AM, Cley Faye wrote:

Le lun. 23 juil. 2018 à 04:23, Diamondblack  a
écrit :


I am a complete novice and I do not want to come on the forum and upset
anyone with such a simple task.

I have Downloaded and installed LibreOffice 5.4.7.

I have two PDF Files and all I need to do is change the text and I can not
ever work out how to do a simple edit.

All I have to do is change 2017 to 2009 on the first PDF file and change
1967 to 1959 on the other PDF file.


​Hi,

For that kind of changes LibreOffice might not be your best option.
You should look into InkScape (it's also free software: ​
https://inkscape.org/en/ ). It can open PDF file with much more fidelity
than LibreOffice and allow very simple text changes (just double-click on
the text you want to edit).

LibreOffice is more of an authoring tool, and as said by others PDF is
*not* a format designed to be easily editable.


Great news.

I did not know that Inkscape would edit PDF files.

I just used it on Linux, instead of Corel Draw that is installed on 
Windows 10.


Will look into that myself.  I do hope this answer helps the original 
poster.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] broken file associations after installing the new version.

[Tim-L]

On 07/19/2018 10:21 PM, toki wrote:

On 19/07/18 04:34 PM, Tim-L wrote:


I wish LO would soon put out a read/write version for Android, and not just a 
viewer,

There is an experimental mode, that theoretically allows for editing of
documents. It wouldn't open, much less edit any of the documents I
tested. :(
(One of the documents I tested, was teh list of extensions for LibO.)


I had to use AndrOffice [?]

Ouch.

The only way I could use that program, was to:
* Turn off Internet Access;
* Turn off BlueTooth Access;
* Turn off Cell Data Transfer;
* Turn off the phone;
* Turn on "Airplane Mode;
* Go to ">Settings >App >AndOffice", and clear both settings and cache;
* Reboot the tablet;
* Start AndrOffice;
* Use another device, if I had to access the net, whilst using AndrOffice;

That said, AndrOffice does have much more functional navigation controls
than either EuroOffice or LibreOffice.


Now I make sure I bring my tablet with me - filled with books, movies, music, 
and
everything I may need to create documents with it.

I use Markor for creating/editing text documents.

I'm looking for a basic spreadsheet program, that has good navigation
functionality, and respects my privacy. Even something as basic as the
one on my PC 2000 phone would be fine. (I've forgotten what it was
called, but my only objection to it, was that the file format it used
was not readable by any other software, on any other platform out there.)

jonathon


I did not have that trouble with my older tablet.  But, I rarely edit 
documents on it, maybe once every 30 or 50  times I use it.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] broken file associations after installing the new version.

[Tim-L]

On 07/19/2018 06:15 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 07/19/2018 12:57 AM, Tim-L wrote:
When I removed LibreOffice 6.0.3 from my Ubuntu 18.04 system, and 
then installed 6.0.5, the first time I opened a ODT document, it 
showed the ebook library package "Calibre" as the default package to 
open the ODT document.


SO, any ideas why after removing 6.0.3 and then installing the newest 
version 6.0.5 would not assign ODT files to Writer?  I know Calibre 
will convert between types of documents/books, but never knew about 
ODT files - if it does at all.  I know that once last year, when I 
installed a different package that could open the ODT file AFTER I 
installed the newest version of LibreOffice. I had to re-install that 
version of LO to get the file properties to list the correct packages.


Of course, today I just took one ODT file and changed the default 
package for it, which hopefully change it for all of the ODT files.


Still, how come I had the problem in the first place.  Shouldn't the 
install of LibreOffice on Ubuntu-Mate 18.04LTS grab the package 
preference for each of the default office file type? Both ODF and MS 
Office?  It should, right?


If this "not associating file types" during install is a bug, then it 
needs to be fixed.  I think people who have a good skill set, for 
both Windows and Linux, should know how to "manually" set the file 
association to the correct package/program.  The problem to me is 
those who are not as skilled, who find this broken association and 
"freak out".


I know many here in my apartment building who would "freak out" and 
then ask me to help them. I know more in the community who barely 
know how to install a package using Windows and a self-running 
CD/DVD, let alone being able to download the proper version of 
LibreOffice for their system, and then install it.




   I think I know what happened. When you removed 6.0.3 from your 
computer, you removed the file association between LibreOffice and the 
ODT files. This association is "open this type file with LibreOffice 
6.0.3". There is also a second level of file associations which is 
"other recommended applications". Calibre fits into that catagory. (I 
have used it to convert ODT files into ePUB format many times.) If, as 
I think, calebre was the top program in that list, it stands to reason 
that calibre would become the default package to open ODT files.
   It would seem that the most installation of 6.0.5 would to list it 
in the second level of file associations. I sometimes have more than 
one version of libreoffice on my computer. Then when I right click on 
an ODT file, I am given one of them as the default package. If I 
select "open with other application", I see all versions of 
libreoffice listed. (Right now I would see libreoffice 6.0 and 6.1.0 
[which is RC1].)
   I should mention that upon installing a new version of libreoffice, 
I also modify the bootstraprc file so that a new folder of 
configurations files is written in ~/.config/libreoffice/. Right now 
in this folder, I have the following folders: 6HSQL and 6.1. The 
former is config files for 6.0.5 which I use for running hsqldb 2.4.1 
as the backend for Base. The latter is for RC1. (I probably installed 
the RC1 version in parallel and then using sudo moved the installation 
to /opt/.)


Dan

I know that when I installed a editing package that also used ODF files, 
it became the default viewer for it.  Why LO does not do that? I thought 
it did once.


LibreOffice is now the only office package I use for Linux and Windows.  
I wish LO would soon put out a read/write version for Android, and not 
just a viewer, even if it is a limited one. I had to use AndrOffice [?] 
for my android tablet, for creation/editing the documents, if I did not 
take a laptop with me.  I went to the ER once for one problem, but I was 
kept for a week attached to an IV "bag". If did not take anything with 
me to the ER.  My sister brought the tablet to me.  I used it for 
ebooks, watching streaming TV [local cable provider's app], and typed in 
some ideas I had while in bed almost 24/7. I wanted to do something 
while there. I tend not to sleep much in the hospital.  Now I make sure 
I bring my tablet with me - filled with books, movies, music, and 
everything I may need to create documents with it.




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[libreoffice-users] broken file associations after installing the new version.

[Tim-L]

When I removed LibreOffice 6.0.3 from my Ubuntu 18.04 system, and then 
installed 6.0.5, the first time I opened a ODT document, it showed the 
ebook library package "Calibre" as the default package to open the ODT 
document.


SO, any ideas why after removing 6.0.3 and then installing the newest 
version 6.0.5 would not assign ODT files to Writer?  I know Calibre will 
convert between types of documents/books, but never knew about ODT files 
- if it does at all.  I know that once last year, when I installed a 
different package that could open the ODT file AFTER I installed the 
newest version of LibreOffice. I had to re-install that version of LO to 
get the file properties to list the correct packages.


Of course, today I just took one ODT file and changed the default 
package for it, which hopefully change it for all of the ODT files.


Still, how come I had the problem in the first place.  Shouldn't the 
install of LibreOffice on Ubuntu-Mate 18.04LTS grab the package 
preference for each of the default office file type? Both ODF and MS 
Office?  It should, right?


If this "not associating file types" during install is a bug, then it 
needs to be fixed.  I think people who have a good skill set, for both 
Windows and Linux, should know how to "manually" set the file 
association to the correct package/program.  The problem to me is those 
who are not as skilled, who find this broken association and "freak out".


I know many here in my apartment building who would "freak out" and then 
ask me to help them. I know more in the community who barely know how to 
install a package using Windows and a self-running CD/DVD, let alone 
being able to download the proper version of LibreOffice for their 
system, and then install it.




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[libreoffice-users] why do I have 2 sets of the modules in the APP list?

[Tim-L]

I run LibreOffice 6.0.3.2 on Ubuntu-Mate 18.04.

I normally use a "panel tab" to open Writer. Today I looked for a newly 
installed package in the Applications>Office menu. What I found was 2 
sets of the module links listed there. One set had links like 
"LibreOffice Writer 6.0" and the other set does not have the "6.0" shown.


I use the command of "sudo apt-get remove libreoffice?" before I use 
"sudo dpkg -i *.deb" to install the DEBS for LibreOffice.


What happened?

The "remove" command should delete the current menu list, with the DEB 
packages shoul add the update/upgrade to the menu.


I have not installed 6.0.4 yet, so I hope not to have this happen 
again.  I have downloaded it already.


I just thought this: I look at all of the packages shown in the list of 
files to be downloaded in the "Software Updater" utility. So it should 
not have been install in that way. I had that utility downgrade LO 
during an OS upgrade, so I made sure that it does not happen again.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Language not "picked" correctly

[Tim-L]

Sorry
The newest Firefox versions I have used [this one and the last one], has 
"en_US" listed and then "en" listed second.


On 06/06/2018 01:41 PM, Luuk wrote:

Chrome was just meant as an example, addin the correct language to your
favorite browser should do the trick for that browser too... ;-)


On 4-6-2018 20:22, Tim-L wrote:

When I made a clean install on this laptop for Ubuntu 18.04, I did not
install Vivaldi.

I had it on the old setup for a while, but only used once, when I
actually downloaded it.  So, I did not install it, yet{?}.

It is weird that my Ubuntu install shows en_GB instead of en_US. Your
Ubuntu/Debian based OS gets .rpm instead .deb.  I get my problem with
the latest repository version of Firefox - 60.0.1.

I do not use Chromium, but add Chrome for those web sites who refuses
to allow Firefox to be used.

On 06/04/2018 10:36 AM, Graham Luffrum wrote:

I use Vivaldi under LinuxMint and when I download LO for some reason
I get
offered the rpm files, which at first foxed me.  With Vivaldi it is not
possible to choose different flavours of English and so I have to change
not only the rpm to deb, but also the language.  Both Chromium and
Firefox
on the other hand come up with both the right file type and language.

Graham


On 3 June 2018 at 19:36, Tim-L  wrote:


I use Firefox.
I do have Chrome and a few others I test every so often, but Firefox is
the one I have been using for many years now.

Henri added that I should go and chose the language option. Yes I
can do
that, and did so, but how many of the people who download LO will
not think
about that till they try to install the help packs?

I have seen this issue, if I remember correctly, over the past few
weeks
and kept forgetting to ask about this.


On 06/03/2018 12:12 PM, Luuk wrote:


when using Chrome, specify the corrrect language in your browser

- goto chrome://settings/
- select advanced
- find 'langages'

LibreOffice seems to be offered in the  first language you have
there





On 2-6-2018 21:30, Tim-L wrote:


I am currently using Ubuntu 18.04 - - Language - en_US.UTF-8(en_US)

When I go to the download page for the newest LO version 6.0.4 x86_64
(deb)  I keep getting the English (GB) version files.

It has shown up with both Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 installs.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Language not "picked" correctly

[Tim-L]

When I made a clean install on this laptop for Ubuntu 18.04, I did not 
install Vivaldi.


I had it on the old setup for a while, but only used once, when I 
actually downloaded it.  So, I did not install it, yet{?}.


It is weird that my Ubuntu install shows en_GB instead of en_US. Your 
Ubuntu/Debian based OS gets .rpm instead .deb.  I get my problem with 
the latest repository version of Firefox - 60.0.1.


I do not use Chromium, but add Chrome for those web sites who refuses to 
allow Firefox to be used.


On 06/04/2018 10:36 AM, Graham Luffrum wrote:

I use Vivaldi under LinuxMint and when I download LO for some reason I get
offered the rpm files, which at first foxed me.  With Vivaldi it is not
possible to choose different flavours of English and so I have to change
not only the rpm to deb, but also the language.  Both Chromium and Firefox
on the other hand come up with both the right file type and language.

Graham


On 3 June 2018 at 19:36, Tim-L  wrote:


I use Firefox.
I do have Chrome and a few others I test every so often, but Firefox is
the one I have been using for many years now.

Henri added that I should go and chose the language option. Yes I can do
that, and did so, but how many of the people who download LO will not think
about that till they try to install the help packs?

I have seen this issue, if I remember correctly, over the past few weeks
and kept forgetting to ask about this.


On 06/03/2018 12:12 PM, Luuk wrote:


when using Chrome, specify the corrrect language in your browser

- goto chrome://settings/
- select advanced
- find 'langages'

LibreOffice seems to be offered in the  first language you have there





On 2-6-2018 21:30, Tim-L wrote:


I am currently using Ubuntu 18.04 - - Language - en_US.UTF-8(en_US)

When I go to the download page for the newest LO version 6.0.4 x86_64
(deb)  I keep getting the English (GB) version files.

It has shown up with both Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 installs.

---

https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

Supplementary Downloads:

  Translated User Interface: English (GB) (Torrent, Info)
  Help for offline use: English (GB) (Torrent, Info)




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Language not "picked" correctly

[Tim-L]

I use Firefox.
I do have Chrome and a few others I test every so often, but Firefox is 
the one I have been using for many years now.


Henri added that I should go and chose the language option. Yes I can do 
that, and did so, but how many of the people who download LO will not 
think about that till they try to install the help packs?


I have seen this issue, if I remember correctly, over the past few weeks 
and kept forgetting to ask about this.


On 06/03/2018 12:12 PM, Luuk wrote:

when using Chrome, specify the corrrect language in your browser

- goto chrome://settings/
- select advanced
- find 'langages'

LibreOffice seems to be offered in the  first language you have there





On 2-6-2018 21:30, Tim-L wrote:

I am currently using Ubuntu 18.04 - - Language - en_US.UTF-8(en_US)

When I go to the download page for the newest LO version 6.0.4 x86_64
(deb)  I keep getting the English (GB) version files.

It has shown up with both Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 installs.

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Supplementary Downloads:

     Translated User Interface: English (GB) (Torrent, Info)
     Help for offline use: English (GB) (Torrent, Info)







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[libreoffice-users] Language not "picked" correctly

[Tim-L]

I am currently using Ubuntu 18.04 - - Language - en_US.UTF-8(en_US)

When I go to the download page for the newest LO version 6.0.4 x86_64 
(deb)  I keep getting the English (GB) version files.


It has shown up with both Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 installs.

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    Help for offline use: English (GB) (Torrent, Info)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Weird menu problem with 6.03 installed with Ubuntu 18.04

[Tim-L]

I had not trouble with their theming or wallpaper, but just the fact 
that the icon set used in LO, by default, was not working. So, switching 
to Tango icon theme for LO fixed it.  I have tried other LO icon set, 
but Tango seems to be the one I go back to.  As for Ubuntu or actually 
Ubntu-MATE, I tend to use one of the default MATE icon sets. I am use to 
them and know what it looks like.


This LO non-working icon set was from both clean installs and an upgrade 
from 16.04 to 17.10 to 18.04.


Once I get a replacement drive for this laptop, I will do a clean 
install on this one too.  Actually this laptop [typing from] will get a 
1TB drive, and its 500GB drive will replace a 160GB laptop drive with 
over 26,000 bad sectors. This 500GB drive has no bad sectors, so it will 
last a while longer for the one that came with 32 bit Windows Vista 
[gag, gag, bad words]. I tend to keep working systems around till they 
die and is only good for the parts to fix other older systems.



On 05/26/2018 06:25 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Apparently the Ubuntu people had trouble with some theming and their
wallpaper design and it wasn't until the last minute that they pulled the
plug and went with a different wallpaper.  They hope to fix this by 18.04.1
which is apparently being moved forwards as a result.

Oddly i upgraded this time and i've not got those problems.  It's only
about the 2nd time i've ever gone with upgrading a desktop OS rather than
doing a fresh install.  Usually i set-up a 'new' partition and add the new
OS to my multi-boot.  "System rot" and cruft are inevitable, especially
when i have a phase of installing and configuring new things so it's
usually good to have a fresh start with a clean system.  Also i usually
like to be able to go back to the system i'm familiar with to get things
done if i'm in a rush.

So, it's ok on an upgrade and i'm not sure about the rumour about 18.04
wallpapers and themes or if it would have an effect on LO.
Regards from
a Tom :)




On 25 May 2018 at 21:55, Tim-L  wrote:


Just wanted you to know. . . .

On a clean install of Ubuntu 18.04, it installed LO 6.0.3, and all of the
toolbars did not show any icons properly.

I found out that the icon set was installed as Breeze Dark. So, changing
it to Tango made it work.  Even after purging LO from that system, and then
installing the latest 6.0.4, still had that problem.  Was "Breeze Dark" the
default icon set of LO 6.0.x? or was something else in the mix to cause the
problem[s]?

My head scratching issue was why was this set to Breeze Dark and that it
was corrupted.


ALSO, there was problems with the font install issues that happened to 3
clean install of Ubuntu 18.04. So, there are a lot of issues to deal with.


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[libreoffice-users] Weird menu problem with 6.03 installed with Ubuntu 18.04

[Tim-L]

Just wanted you to know. . . .

On a clean install of Ubuntu 18.04, it installed LO 6.0.3, and all of 
the toolbars did not show any icons properly.


I found out that the icon set was installed as Breeze Dark. So, changing 
it to Tango made it work.  Even after purging LO from that system, and 
then installing the latest 6.0.4, still had that problem.  Was "Breeze 
Dark" the default icon set of LO 6.0.x? or was something else in the mix 
to cause the problem[s]?


My head scratching issue was why was this set to Breeze Dark and that it 
was corrupted.



ALSO, there was problems with the font install issues that happened to 3 
clean install of Ubuntu 18.04. So, there are a lot of issues to deal with.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer interface font size

[Tim-L]

On 05/12/2018 03:12 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 12 May 2018 13:17:18 -0400
Tim-L <webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:

Eye issues are one of the reasons why I decided to be proactive with
a 20+ inch desktop monitor or use a 29 inch TV as a monitor. I have a
17 inch laptop as well.  I did this knowing my eyes will get worse
over the years and starting to get use to alternatives before I need
them.

Well right. But (a) one shouldn't have to spend extra on larger
monitors to get an font size one can read and (b) if you set your
expectations whilst your eyes are still OK, aren't you worried that
you'll need to buy an even bigger monitor as and when your eyesight
does deteriorate?

I bought the larger monitor, when the old one need replacing. Also, I 
had upgraded to a full HD graphics card a few months before, when some 
of my packages started needing a larger resolution. DeVeDe is one that I 
use that no longer fit on a screen with 1366x768. The 17 inch laptop is 
my only one that has a large enough resolution.


To be honest, I only buy new hardware when I have some "extra" money to 
afford it.  I had some unexpected money come in last spring, so I bought 
a mobility "scooter", the new laptop, a video projector, and other 
things in order of need to want. With the large resolution laptop, I use 
it with the largest resolution, but when my eyes get worse I can reduce 
the resolution. Same with the large monitor. The HD TV as a monitor was 
originally for streaming online content, since I did not want to pay 
double/triple the cost for a "smart" TV. Also, it is great to have a 
volume control on a remote when you want to listen to music or audio 
books while not close to the player. I do not like to use my phone that 
way if I am in my apartment.


AS FOR the font size, I know several people who do need larger font 
sizes to use a computer - most time a laptop is used with access 
packages like "Onboard" and "Screen Reader" in Linux, or similar types 
of software on Windows. Also there has been studies about what makes a 
font easier to read the text better than a different font. I have used a 
web page "stylesheet.css" file to control the font size and font type.


My default style sheet contains several colors in various sizes and 
serif and san-serif fonts - listed from preferred to generic with fonts 
that were installed by default on Windows and Mac systems when I created 
it.  It really is nice that LibreOffice has the control of the font 
sizes for the menus and other internal use of text.  I have packages 
that do not do that - which is too bad for them and their low vision users.


#s14green
   {
   font-size:   14.0pt;
   font-family: "Georgia", "Palantino Linotype", "Book Antiqua", 
"Times New Roman", "Times", serif;

       color:#006400
   }

#n10blue
      {
  font-family: "Tahoma", "Geneva", "Verdana", "Arial", "Hevetica", 
"Trebuchet MS", "Monico", san-serif;

      color: #80;
      font-size: 10pt;
      }



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer interface font size

[Tim-L]

On 05/12/2018 09:49 AM, M Henri Day wrote:

​D​
en lör 12 maj 2018 kl 14:32 skrev Regina Henschel :


Hi Thomas,

the feature "scaling" has been removed in LO 5.3. The request to bring
it back is in https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101646

Kind regards
Regina

Thomas Blasejewicz schrieb am 12.05.2018 um 13:08:

On 2018/05/12 19:00, Luuk wrote:

On 12-5-2018 04:55, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

I know how to increase the size of the icons in the menu bars,
but unfortunately I could not yet figure out how to increase the
interface font size.
There seems to be no such item under "Options"

Could somebody please direct me to the relevant setting (in the hope,
there IS such setting).
Thank you
Thomas



In Windows 10 you can increase the size of the fonts for all
applications using:
- rightcLick the windows logo, and choos System
- choose Display
- under 'Change the size of text, apps, and other items', choose a
higher percentage (i.e. 125%)



Thank you, but that is not what I am looking for.
Most of my applications are individually set to the (interface) font
size that I like best.
I was hoping that LibreOffice let's me choose among some options ...

​Like Thomas, I think it would be useful to bring the scaling feature
back

Henri

Eye issues are one of the reasons why I decided to be proactive with a 
20+ inch desktop monitor or use a 29 inch TV as a monitor. I have a 17 
inch laptop as well.  I did this knowing my eyes will get worse over the 
years and starting to get use to alternatives before I need them.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tim-L]

Tanstaafl:

The newer word for "Handicapped" is "*Differently Able*".

I deal with, and a charter member, of the Kiwanis organization called 
Aktion Club of Elmira.


http://aktionclub-elmira.org/

Every member is an Adult who has a physical or mental issue that some 
would use the older word "disabled" or *Differently Able*. I myself have 
had 3 strokes and a set of physical injuries that gave me 100% for 
Social Security Disability. The "handicapped parking" sign is now called 
"Accessible Parking". That "differently able" life category does not 
mean I cannot do nothing, but I do a lot of things differently 
sometimes. I lost a lot of programming skills [mostly mainframe 
languages] with the strokes, but I am not giving up on relearning some 
of these.


° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° ° °

"People who seek to violate MY Rights"

Yes you have the right to not give up your intellectual property away 
for free.


Yes, we need to have a good way to create a fill in PDF form to be saved 
and sent to someone else.  This is what the US Tax editable PDF fill in 
form does.


There is a option in the "export as" > PDF that is called "Create PDF 
Form".  Can there be a link to making a "Form", like for a data base 
input or data entry form? If you create a form and then save it. Then 
export to PDF and use the Create PDF form option and choose the file 
format of PDF.  I have never tried this, but within the help system.


I found the "create editable PDF form" in the Help > "LibreOffice help" 
system.



On 05/03/2018 01:16 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On Thu May 03 2018 12:14:44 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Virgil
Arrington  wrote:

For anyone interested in this topic (accessibility of PDF documents for
those relying on screen readers),

Ok, my last word on the subject...

Regardless, providing an INACCESSIBLE PDF form to the 99.99% of the
people who can fill them out without issues, and providing an
ALTERNATIVE for those who cannot, would completely circumvent and render
moot any potential legal issues.

People who seek to violate MY Rights to do whatever I ant in my personal
and business dealings - meaning, yes, I have the absolute Right to NOT
provide accessible ANYTHING to ANYONE.

Handicapped people (or whatever is the PC term of the day now for people
who have 'accessibility' needs) have the Right to find someone who can
or will provide services they can access.

Sorry, but Freedom ain't Free.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tim-L]

On 04/30/2018 05:22 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 04/30/2018 11:11 AM, James Knott wrote:

Recent versions of MS Office are supposed to be able to work with Open
Document files.  Have you tried to see what happens when you use it with
ODF files?


Thank you for the suggestion. My personal computer is Linux only, but
I'll check it out on the school's computers to see how well MSO reads
and writes to .odt. I don't even know what version of MSO the school uses.

Virgil
The last time I worked for a school, it was before 2005, so there was 
not LibreOffice. I do know many families cannot afford to buy, or rent, 
MSO and all of its upgrades as the school upgrades. I use to live next 
to a family who's adults will not let the students use the only computer 
in the household.  Now it seems that every writing assignments taken 
home required to be "typed" and no longer hand written. So from the 
start, we no longer have the students get use to hand written work, so 
their written documents are readable.  The built in spell checker makes 
the need to learn how to spell words anymore.





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[libreoffice-users] Ubuntu 18.04 changes a "upgrade" install of LibreOffice.

[Tim-L]

When I upgraded/updated a computer's OS - specifically Ubuntu Linux - 
the problem was the upgrading was that it removed the version of 
LibreOffice I had installed myself and install the repository's version. 
This has downgraded LibreOffice from a current version to one that was 
released 1 or 2 years earlier.


I did a clean install of Ubuntu 18.04 and it had the newest version of 
LibreOffice in its repository. So it installed 6.0.3.2 on that system.


NOW, it seems that when I dealt with a "release upgrade" from 16.04LTS 
to 18.04LTS, the process left the 5.4.5 version alone. That would be 
great if I had a newer version than what it wanted to install. This was 
the first time the version of LibreOffice was not changed during the 
upgrade/update process.  That is why I wanted to post this to our 
LibreOffice User list. Now, we no longer have to reinstall the version 
we had before the process started.


Yes, I now use LibreOffice 6.0.3.2 on every system that I have upgraded 
the Linux operating systems. Yes, for those Windows installs, I am 
upgrading the 5.x.x version[s] to latest 6.0.x version at the time I do 
the process.


SO, I just wanted our Linux users that at least Ubuntu no longer 
downgrade the install of LO and install "there repository version".  I 
would love to see the repositories to keep upgrading the LibreOffice 
version to the newest ones.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

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On 04/30/2018 08:32 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

You are trying to find a solution to a problem.
The problem is the wrong choice of the school ('only DOC or DOCX documents')
Try to solve the problem, and try not to find a work-around as solution.



I teach at a college. I use LO, LyX and LaTeX for my work. All of my
students use MSO. The reasons? It is familiar to them and they get it
free as college students. I don't know if this is standard MS policy or
a special arrangement the college has made with Redmond.

My experience with college students is that most have no clue about
different file formats. They just save their work in whatever format
defaults on their programs, which happens to be .DOCX, .XLSX, etc.

Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO
Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will
type their answers right onto the computer file and email it back to me.
I need to get the file to my students in a format they can easily use
with their computers. I will use .DOC for this purpose because it's the
easiest solution to this situation.

I suppose I could insist that all of my students use .ODT file format
instead of .DOC, but I've decided its easier for one person (me) to
change his file format for a specific task than it is for scores of
students to change theirs. I want them to focus their efforts on the
substance of the test rather than the nuances of computer software.

I suppose that I could also crusade to solve the "problem" of the school
choosing the wrong office suite for its students, but that Quixotic
quest will take much more time and emotional energy than I have.

It is much easier for me to simply select a native MSO format than it is
to fight an impossible dream against the tide of inertia. I only do it
when I need to and I am deeply grateful to the LO developers for
creating a program that translates to .DOC and .DOCX so well.

But, this thread has piqued my interest in the Linux FB user's group.
I'll check it out.

Virgil

I started this thread with the notice of someone on a Facebook post 
wondering how to default to saving to MS Word format.


Yes, a "crusade" to get schools to make the switch to Open Document 
Formats should be looked into.  But that is not what was implied in the 
thread I originally talked about.


The thread, in part, went into a sidebar about security in a computer 
center and control of what packages would be allowed to be accessible. I 
stated that I had to spend time a week to uninstall all of the user 
installed packages to download files that was not allowed, or illegal.  
Things like porn [normal and illegal types] and copyrighted movies, TV 
shows, etc. Some people who we caught were evicted and/or arrested. The 
computer center was closed.  I told him that I tried to get the 
powers-that-be switch to Linux systems and only have packages like 
Firefox, Skype, and LibreOffice accessible to the users. Having to use a 
Root password to install any packages would help keep the computers clean.


Then the question of saving MSO file formats by default was posed.

After that, I posted the start of this thread.

I did not expect the call for a "crusade" to get the schools to allow 
ODFs to be used.  I just wanted to post that there are non-LibreOffice 
user groups that questions may come up about using LO.  This is not the 
first time I have dealt with emails and user group questions about using 
LibreOffice.


---

YES, I think schools need to move to open source packages. I looked into 
doing this locally. If the school[s] allow you to present this at a 
meeting, then you must PROVE using ODFs would useful for them and the 
students. Then there would be a 1 or 2 year discussion on the idea of 
ODF and LibreOffice. The cost to me, time and money, with the process 
would be more than I can do. Also, it seems that local schools and 
computer centers use specific software defined by the county IT people. 
Many people I talked with are users of open source packages, even 
LibreOffice, on their home systems or even on their work systems. Yet, 
their IT job required them to support non-open source packages.


When it comes down to it, people, organizations, and businesses, got 
hooked into packages and it would be really "bad" if they try to dump 
them. MS contracts tend to make the move almost impossible without major 
financial "punishment" that no one can afford.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

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On 04/29/2018 01:17 PM, Luuk wrote:


On 29-4-2018 17:23, James Knott wrote:

On 04/29/2018 10:23 AM, Tim-L wrote:

There was a question in it about wondering how to get the users of
Linux to save LibreOffice files to Microsoft Word formats.

Why would we want to, unless we had to?  The whole point of the Open
Document formats was to be a non proprietary method that anyone can
use.  Unlike MS formats, ODF is fully open.  Perhaps you should go to a
site called Groklaw and read about all the nonsense with MS forcing
their new spec through ISO, to make it a standard, when even their own
implementation didn't comply with it.


I use ODF formats unless I have a need to use MS, such as uploading
documents to a web site that does not accept ODF.



You did forget to ask Tim-L what Facebook has to do with this problem ...

;)
I read a "question" about LibreOffice and then answered it.  From that 
last statement, it could seem to be a negative response of unfriendly 
people. I hope that is was meant as a joke.



Who can afford to buy MS Office these days.

So, if your kids need to write papers that require MS Office formats, 
then Open Document Formats will not do.  I know that over half of our 
local schools still have a MSO that did not even think about supporting 
a .odt document. So you either need to save it as DOC or DOCX to work 
with those computers.


Why Facebook?  Well I was talking about using Linux for its security 
option of needing a Root Password to install packages. Just give the 
users Firefox, Skype, and LibreOffice.  Thats it. Then there was the 
comment about not remembering how to make sure the users defaulted to 
MSO formats, instead of trying to remember to save it to DOC/DOCX 
instead of ODT.


You would not believe that info, and questions, that get on a Facebook 
Linux support group. One thread I am keep monitoring is what is the best 
distro of Linux and why.




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[libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

[Tim-L]

Last night, I was in the middle of a thread on the Linux Users Group on 
Facebook.


There was a question in it about wondering how to get the users of Linux 
to save LibreOffice files to Microsoft Word formats.  To me, it came up 
when I described a wish to use Linux for a secure computer center/lab.


I double checked and gave him the answer.  I have not thought about how 
to do that for years.


So, although the Facebook user group is not a LibreOffice group, there 
still is a need to answer LibreOffice questions once in a while. I am 
part of it, because of what it is useful for.


Maybe I will look into the LibreOffice Facebook page.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Ubuntu 18.04 installed LibreOffice version

[Tim-L]

On 04/27/2018 11:45 PM, Tim-L wrote:


I just installed Ubuntu-Mate 18.04LTS

I looked and they installed LibreOffice 6.0.3.2.

Though there are issues with Ubuntu's 18.04 OS, it is nice to see an 
up to date LO at an OS install time.




Well, I just upgraded - not clean install - and it kept the 5.4.4.2 version.

I just downloaded the newest version for install.



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[libreoffice-users] Ubuntu 18.04 installed LibreOffice version

[Tim-L]

I just installed Ubuntu-Mate 18.04LTS

I looked and they installed LibreOffice 6.0.3.2.

Though there are issues with Ubuntu's 18.04 OS, it is nice to see an up 
to date LO at an OS install time.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Free software for wide-world, yes we can!

[Tim-L]

Jean-Philippe - "Most free software companies drop the desktop"

That statement might be true, but I think there are a lot of users still 
using desktops and needing the space for multiple drives. Of course 
people keep telling us that the desktop is "dead". We but more 
laptop/notebooks now to replace our desktops.


As for the idea of tablets taking over our needs, I find it has many 
drawbacks.  The first one is the memory size. The second one is the lack 
of a keyboard and mouse experience many of us need when we create large 
paper size or large page number documents. I find that the tablet 
keyboards are not the best for my needs. The lack of a mouse as well. It 
may be just me, though.


He does make a valid statement about professional software. We need more 
professional quality packages for Linux and Android platforms. Whether 
it is free, or even really low priced, too many developers do not want 
to spend their free time developing professional grade packages.


We are lucky that LibreOffice has people who believe in the need for a 
professional quality free suite to replace Microsoft's Office suite.




On 04/20/2018 07:10 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:

Hi,

I have been a Debian contributor for 10 years, even if it is in back
office and in particular in the accessibility team. Then I am more and
more sure that this distro can be adopted by everybody. Yes additional
service is needed, of course some stuff need to be fixed more quickly
than upstream do in user experience, sure upstream needs help, but I do
all this now through hypra https://hypra.fr.

Hypra developed:
- a service to provide a free software based computer, as nice as
typical PCs, with a better uman support (better privacy, including
search engine, etc)
- a Debian system accessible through the newest solutions dedicated to
the universal design
- contributions to projects such as GTK, Firefox, Libreoffice, and
assistive technologies.
- 200 blind and old people now use Debian GNU/Linux, Libreoffice and
Firefox thanks to our system and human support.

Three years later, I am afraid with two things. 1. Most free software
companies drop the desktop. It has consequences on privacy, and usae of
computers with a low Internet connection. Cloud is cool, but excludes
basic users, and while they use tablets or mobiles, they drop their data
and limit their usage. Free software has not yet had success due to lack
of human support with the free software based products. 2. Free software
has less and less forces for accessibility and universal design. Only 5
persons work on the accessibility stac.

The struggle must go on! We shall never surrender! Because Hypra uses
software and service, libre except for components unacceptable by basic
users in their current status, because we believe in capability of
everybody to use a computer if assisted and supported, many people now
have invested in Hypra to support us. Public funds are there, but
require to be completed by crowd equity.

The campaign is finished in less than 1 month. We search for 3
euros, we raised 14. If everybody helps, free software will be
enforced to be developped for basic users instead of professional only,
Hypra will be democratical as funds depend on contributors.

Yes, supporting Hypra is contributing to an ethical computing project to
avoid computing to take control of our societes. Of course we do that
hoping an economical feedback so that investment is not lost.

Any further information is available if you want, don't hesitate to
forward to intereted persons.


Thanks in advance to anyone supporting tis initiative.

Cheers,





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Re: [libreoffice-users] embedding fonts?

[Tim-L]

On 04/19/2018 09:45 PM, Cley Faye wrote:

2018-04-20 1:33 GMT+02:00 Tim-L <webmas...@krackedpress.com>:


How to make specific fonts embedded into the .odt file that has been
exported to a PDF file.



​This point is not clear. Do you want to embed fonts in a PDF (easy-ish,
see later) or in a ODT that is itself embedded in the PDF (as far as I
know, not feasible right now)?​




So, how do you make sure Export to PDF will embed the needed fonts for all
your specific fonts needs?  I do not want to uninstall the fonts buried and
protected in some system folder, or use some package like Synaptic Package
Manager. I cannot go to my systems and play a game with my installed fonts
every time I need to use a new one.

This may be a simple answer, like it is no issue at all anymore, but I
need to make sure.


​From recent discussions on either this list or the french one, subsets of
required fonts should be automatically embedded into a PDF export EXCEPT if
the font file explicitely sets a flag to not be embeded. It is something
font specific and made to accomodate licensing issues. That's why there are
no option to actually embed fonts. Some viewers (okular comes to mind)
allows you to easily know what is embedded in the PDF and what isn't.​



PDF - embedded font in some cases. ODT or DOC - embedded only when truly 
needed.



Years ago, I sent a PDF file using specific fonts that 99.9% of users 
would not have installed on their system, There were problems with 
trying to get the needed font[s] to view correctly to the person I sent 
the PDF document to.


To get around that problem, was to send the font to the person who was 
going to print copies for his meeting. That was a private action and 
could be a legal nightmare.


I really prefer to send a PDF document, but if I must, I will send an 
editable document for them to add/modify the text or add images. Then 
they sent it back to me for more cleanup and my edits. I get that a lot 
with posters and newsletters.


What I am doing now is sending posters and other documents to people who 
need them for meetings, or other needs for printed materials I make for 
them.  Also, I have had to pass the documents back-and-forth to get it 
right. If they did not have the fonts in the documents, then it will not 
look like what I see.  There use to be a limited font embedding use 
where only the characters used are embedded and not the full list of 
characters/letters/glyphs.



Jonathon -

Yes I know the file can balloon in size, but it may be needed if you 
have to use a specific character[s] that are in a font of "specialized" 
font.


Look at the font called "Humeur.ttf".  It is a set of face icons in a 
single font.  How about a bar code font?  How about a font that is all 
Hieroglyphs or other non-Latin characters.


If I/they need to have these fonts used for my/their documents, it may 
be less of a file size to include the font[s] than adding 20 to 50 large 
image files containing the same characters or glyphs.


I prefer sending final documents via PDF, but I have had to send then in 
DOC/DOCX format.  Most of the people I deal with these days do not have 
LibreOffice, since their bosses requires the work done with Word.  Since 
the boss pays for MS-Office, he/she does not want them using anything else.


Yes, I try to use as many free fonts as possible when I need something 
that might not be in their font list. Of course, I have the Microsoft 
core fonts installed. I do not have the Adobe 2000-something font set 
currently installed, but I have it if I need one for those people who 
have the Adobe fonts installed. To be honest, I have had over 500 font 
files installed before, though I try to keep the file count lower than 
200 or 300. I have over 150,000 font files in my font collection - i.e. 
14+ GB.  I pull certain fonts out and place them in the ".font" folder 
[Ubuntu] when I need them. Later, I will remove them and add different 
fonts for other projects.


It is nice to have free fonts that look very similar to paid versions. I 
use to look for these free fonts and lave them in a list.  That 
"similar" font is something I look at for Cascading Style Sheets in web 
pages I create or monitor for others.


Below are two lines of "code".  I listed similar fonts most likely 
installed on a Windows or Apple system. This is to help make the view of 
the pages look similar across several platforms. This goes the same for 
which fonts I use in the posters or other documents that have needed 
fonts that may not be on the other user's systems. You can see the 
list[s] of font names.  This list goes from preferred to less preferred 
fonts, so the reader will view the documents with the same look and feel 
that I am trying to get across.


"font-family: "Tahoma", "Geneva", "Verdana", "Arial", "Hevetica", 
"Trebuchet MS", "Monico"

[libreoffice-users] embedding fonts?

[Tim-L]

I think this was asked years ago, but I came across needing this info now.

How to make specific fonts embedded into the .odt file that has been 
exported to a PDF file.


I have many fonts that are not common to others who I pass documents onto.

One font I use is "BlackChancery.ttf" - as seen in this logo image

http://aktionclub-elmira.org/logo--blue-color-700-wide.png

I use many script and handwriting styles of fonts, and other uncommonly 
installed fonts on Linux or Windows 10.  I am currently down to 288 
fonts files in my font folder. Of course, many named fonts has 4 to 10 
font files, one per font style [normal, italic, bold, wide, narrow, 
etc.]  Look up these fonts and tell me if you have one of these or like 
them - Andrade-Swash.otf, DelitschInitialen.ttf, 
Embossed_Black_Normal.ttf, GrecoFractonSSi.ttf - installed on your system.


To be honest, years a go, I had PDF files that did not embed the needed 
fonts - even just the characters used - for the newsletters and other 
multi page documents. At that point, I was pointed to an option to embed 
the needed fonts to the PDF file.


Two days ago, I was looking at both the Export to PDF and the CUPS-PDF 
driver and did not see any options to embed the whole font or just 
characters used. I could not find any for my Linux laptop.


So, how do you make sure Export to PDF will embed the needed fonts for 
all your specific fonts needs?  I do not want to uninstall the fonts 
buried and protected in some system folder, or use some package like 
Synaptic Package Manager. I cannot go to my systems and play a game with 
my installed fonts every time I need to use a new one.


This may be a simple answer, like it is no issue at all anymore, but I 
need to make sure.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Special Character Hunting - Libre Writer

[Tim-L]

On 04/04/2018 04:19 PM, charles meyer wrote:

WordPerfect has reveal codes which display the numbers for a special
character so they're easy to find instead of scrolling down hundred of
symbols in a chart.

Ex. ►

Will any version of Libre Writer do that, including LO 6?

Thanks,

Charles.


Charles,

Do you have a specific style of font in mind?  Or a specific font name?

I use both Arial Unicode and Code2000 for my first font choice, if I do 
not have a specific style of font needed for the document. I also have 
others for specific needs, but those are the ones I deal with.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Special Character Hunting - Libre Writer

[Tim-L]

On 04/04/2018 05:56 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Charles,

charles meyer schrieb am 04.04.2018 um 22:19:

WordPerfect has reveal codes which display the numbers for a special
character so they're easy to find instead of scrolling down hundred of
symbols in a chart.

Ex. ►

Will any version of Libre Writer do that, including LO 6?


Yes, it is implemented at least since 5.4. The command is "Toggle 
Unicode Notation" and it has the shortcut key Alt+X. It toggles the 
character left from the cursor to U+number and back.


And in LO 6 a new special character dialog is implemented. It has a 
search field, where you can enter fragments of the Unicode name.


Entering the code point directly in the dialog does not work 
correctly, but you can enter U+number in the text and toggle it. If 
you have at least one font on your system, that has a glyph for it, 
you will get it, at least via font replacement.


If you only know the glyph, then you should use a tool, where you can 
draw the glyph and get the character. Such is not implemented in LO, 
but e.g. http://shapecatcher.com/ can help.


Kind regards
Regina



If you do not remember the "U+number" code, this is a good place to start.

http://unicode.org/charts/

This is my default site to search for Unicode characters via. its place 
in the standard placement. There are several Unicode fonts that I have 
used, but each have their own set of which characters are included. 
Since I do not use many Unicode characters/glyphs, I have to tried 
find/replace for these characters very often.


There are several free Unicode fonts that have a large percent of the 
Unicode character/glyph set. I tend look for good fonts every so often. 
I hope you get your needs met for this issue.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc taking 97% of cpu

[Tim-L]

I always have issues with systems with only 1 GB of RAM.

Do you have a lot of disk activity when you open the file? You say 5.5 
GB free space. That seems low somehow. Have you installed "disks" or 
"gparted"? I think you might want to look into the size of your Swap 
partition. I have 4.1 GB Swap partition on this laptop. That was what 
Ubuntu created automatically during the install.


I know that Linux ext4 do not need defraging like you need with 
FAT/FAT32/NTFS Windows partitions, but the Windows rule of not going 
below a free space of less than 10% of the partition's size.  On low RAM 
[ 2 or less GB ] systems with 80 GB, 250 GB. or 500 GB drives, that I 
have created in the past [ both Ubuntu and Xubuntu ], seems to take 
longer when I get below 10 or 20 GB free space. It is even worse when 
you combined with a slower single/dual core processor.


I gets worse when you figure in the fact that a lot of built in video 
cards shared the RAM with all the system's RAM needs for running the OS 
and the packages. The lower available RAM, the more you need a good SWAP 
partition size. I have a lot of experience with taking  32-bit and 
64-bit processor XP systems to Linux boxes. Even running Xubuntu instead 
of Ubuntu did not help much getting good performance with those systems.


Yes, having Calc take so long to open the file, with no problem moving 
desktop windows around the screen, seems "weird". But, low RAM issues 
can create "weird" issues, in my experiences over the past 10+ years 
using Linux on them.




On 03/30/2018 03:38 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:

version 5.1.6.2  xubuntu 16.04 LTS  1 GB RAM 5.5 GB available disk space

John



On 03/30/2018 09:26 AM, John R. Sowden wrote:

Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

LO version uk, updated about 6 mo ago, I believe

(I tried to open a smaller SS but I got a full gray screen, no menu 
bar, only title and close box.  After 5 min I closed it


Note this does not happen when I open SS files only.  Only iof I am 
trting to edit this ascii file.  When I click on a cell, it takes 
about 5 min for the cursor to move to that cell even if it is only a 
few cells away.




On 03/30/2018 06:54 AM, jorge Rodríguez wrote:

Hi John and all:

        Would you please tell us to the e-mail list what kind of 
Operative System do you have and the LibreOffice version do you use ?


Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez


El 29/03/2018 a las 23:49, John R. Sowden escribió:
I read in a ascii database into calc. It is taking 97-98% of the 
cpu resource per htop, yet nothing is happening.  I move the cursor 
to a cell, big gray box, sits ther for > 15 minutes, yet I can move 
the window, play freecell, et. with no problem.  It seems the 
slowness is in LO, not the system at large.


thoughts?

John















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Re: [libreoffice-users] calc taking 97% of cpu

[Tim-L]

I have not had to do the "renaming" in well over a year, but you should 
make a backup copy of a working profile so you can go back to that and 
not from "scratch".


This has fixed printing issues, and other things that cropped up over time.

Like Jorge R. post states, it helps to know if you are running Windows 7 
or Windows 10, or use various Linux OSs. Also we need to version of 
LibreOffice to know if the issue is from an earlier version or the 2 
current versions.


LibreOffice current version are 6.0.2.x  and 5.4.6.x.

I run 6.0.2.1 - shown in the "Help > About LibreOffice" menu option.

I also use Ubuntu MATE 16.04LTS for my 64-bit operating system. [Windows 
10 only when needed]


This type if information helps others to figure out how to fix your 
issues. Sometimes even the about of RAM and Processor speed helps.




On 03/30/2018 08:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Weird!  Err, have you tried renaming the user-profile?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile

You prolly have but I thought i'd jump in with a "waggle the wires"
answer.  Renaming beats deleting because you can prolly just rename it back
if there is no effect to get almost all your settings and stuff back.

When LibreOffice 'can't find' your settings it generates a default set.  If
you got your LO from somewhere other than the LibreOffice website then the
default settings may be a little different than the "factory defaults" you
may have started with.

Renaming the user-profile is a magic 'cure all' that often works when
something weird happens.  It's a bit of a Spring Clean that gets rid of a
lot of "system rot" so it's prolly good to do occasionally anyway.
Regards from
a Tom :)






On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 06:52 John R. Sowden, 
wrote:


I read in a ascii database into calc.  It is taking 97-98% of the cpu
resource per htop, yet nothing is happening.  I move the cursor to a
cell, big gray box, sits ther for > 15 minutes, yet I can move the
window, play freecell, et. with no problem.  It seems the slowness is in
LO, not the system at large.

thoughts?

John



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On 30 Mar 2018 06:52, "John R. Sowden"  wrote:

I read in a ascii database into calc.  It is taking 97-98% of the cpu
resource per htop, yet nothing is happening.  I move the cursor to a
cell, big gray box, sits ther for > 15 minutes, yet I can move the
window, play freecell, et. with no problem.  It seems the slowness is in
LO, not the system at large.

thoughts?

John



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice - patches

[Tim-L]

On 03/26/2018 03:56 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On Fri Mar 23 2018 04:23:59 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tom Davies
 wrote:

Hi :)
I'm pretty sure "mainstream support" ended a few years ago.  Quite what
that means seems very unclear.

It isn't that hard.

Full support means you can actually open support cases with MS and get
features and other regular issues fixed.

I challenge anyone to provide proof that they have ever been able to get
ANYTHING meaningful from this kind of support, MAYBE unless they are a
large multinational corporation or government customer.

Long term support means just critical/security updates.

I really hate software packages that uses their own file format, change 
to a different format and not support the earlier one. I have had people 
ask me to open a document in that old format and find it is no longer 
supported.


I have many old files that are in old and unsupported formats. If just 
forgot I had them stored and never "converted" them to the newer format[s].


I wonder when MS will stop supporting .doc files? I prefer to get these 
from MS Office users, when I need to do some editing on it. I have not 
owned a version of MS Office beyond 2003. I do not have it installed on 
ANY of my Windows systems. I use LibreOffice now for my office needs - 
not MS.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Which printer for best libreoffice integration ?

[Tim-L]

CISS - I assume that is the ink tank design that you fill the "tanks" 
from ink bottles. Some are internal while others are external with a ink 
"tubes" coming out of the printer.


I have seen some home office printers that include built in tanks where 
you add the ink from a bottle. Epson has an "ET" line that include ink 
bottles worth that is about 33 ink cartridges for each color.  Canon has 
a "G" line with their "mega tanks".  The ink bottles seems to be much 
less than their ink cartridges for the Canon printers I have bought.  HP 
has their own family of this type of printers.


When I bought my last Canon printer, I did not see any CISS printers.  
Actually, there seems to have them on sale.  The only proble seem to be 
there is no Linux support in any English language country's sites.




On 03/02/2018 06:45 AM, leleu wrote:
If you do want low cost printing, investigate CISS (continuous ink 
system). You can find printers equipped, and avid to install youself, 
which is somehow tricky


Je la 01/03/2018 23:31, Tim-L skribis :


Actually, I tend to look for third party ink sources, to help with my 
smaller fixed income.


I know that I sometimes choose Postscript Level 3 instead of the 
default PDF option, when it is shown as an option.


Right now, I do much more color work, so my only laser printer is 
slowly using the toner.  I have had a replacement toner on the for 
several years now. I think I have about 500-600 pages to go before I 
need to change out the empty one.


I love the HPLIP system.  That system is the best driver system over 
any other printer brand I have used.  For Canon, I have to find 
drivers in UK or other English countries since Canon USA does not 
support Linux - officially from their support people. That was before 
the Canon TS like of printers. I bought a TS-9020 printer and it had 
basic support for Linux.  The scanner package is very limited 
compared to the MG6200 line's scanner package.  At least Canon is 
starting to believe that the US market also has Linux users that want 
to use Canon printers.


As for CUPS, I have CUPS-pdf driver/printing service installed as one 
of my printers.  There seems to references to a newer PDF creating 
package, but have not found it.


So, here is my list of network printers:

Canon TS9020 inkjet all-in-one [wired and wireless]
HP Laserjet 2300dn - postscript driver used
HP Officejet 7000-E809a  - hpcups used

I had others, but they died from use.  The color laser's image "belt" 
somehow got "scratched" during a toner install or a paper flow issue. 
So the middle of the printout had major issues. It would cost less to 
get another color laser than it would to repair it.  So I chose not 
to replace it.



On 03/01/2018 03:35 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
I have an HP photosmart premium ink jet networked that prints and 
scans well, uses the HPLIP software. Don't know about the postscript 
support.
In the office we have a networked Brother HL3170CDW that is colour 
laser printer only. Prints well including postscript files. Brother 
also seem to have good driver support. CUPS, LPR/LPRng on Linux.

Steve

On 02/03/18 01:58, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!

Our printer in the office is ending its life in colorful printouts,
and we need a replacement. Current printer is a Brother MFC-9465CDN.
It printed approx. 50K pages during approx. 5 years. It has
duplex support, but it had its issues.

We print using lpr, mostly postscript.

Therefore I ask the community for feedback:

Which printer works best in a mostly-libreoffice enviroment ?












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Re: [libreoffice-users] Which printer for best libreoffice integration ?

[Tim-L]

Actually, I tend to look for third party ink sources, to help with my 
smaller fixed income.


I know that I sometimes choose Postscript Level 3 instead of the default 
PDF option, when it is shown as an option.


Right now, I do much more color work, so my only laser printer is slowly 
using the toner.  I have had a replacement toner on the for several 
years now. I think I have about 500-600 pages to go before I need to 
change out the empty one.


I love the HPLIP system.  That system is the best driver system over any 
other printer brand I have used.  For Canon, I have to find drivers in 
UK or other English countries since Canon USA does not support Linux - 
officially from their support people.  That was before the Canon TS like 
of printers. I bought a TS-9020 printer and it had basic support for 
Linux.  The scanner package is very limited compared to the MG6200 
line's scanner package.  At least Canon is starting to believe that the 
US market also has Linux users that want to use Canon printers.


As for CUPS, I have CUPS-pdf driver/printing service installed as one of 
my printers.  There seems to references to a newer PDF creating package, 
but have not found it.


So, here is my list of network printers:

Canon TS9020 inkjet all-in-one [wired and wireless]
HP Laserjet 2300dn - postscript driver used
HP Officejet 7000-E809a  - hpcups used

I had others, but they died from use.  The color laser's image "belt" 
somehow got "scratched" during a toner install or a paper flow issue. So 
the middle of the printout had major issues. It would cost less to get 
another color laser than it would to repair it.  So I chose not to 
replace it.



On 03/01/2018 03:35 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
I have an HP photosmart premium ink jet networked that prints and 
scans well, uses the HPLIP software. Don't know about the postscript 
support.
In the office we have a networked Brother HL3170CDW that is colour 
laser printer only. Prints well including postscript files. Brother 
also seem to have good driver support. CUPS, LPR/LPRng on Linux.

Steve

On 02/03/18 01:58, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

Hi!

Our printer in the office is ending its life in colorful printouts,
and we need a replacement. Current printer is a Brother MFC-9465CDN.
It printed approx. 50K pages during approx. 5 years. It has
duplex support, but it had its issues.

We print using lpr, mostly postscript.

Therefore I ask the community for feedback:

Which printer works best in a mostly-libreoffice enviroment ?







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Which printer for best libreoffice integration ?

[Tim-L]

I have has good luck with an HP laser printer, and even a HP colored 
Laser [till it died].


Now my laserjet 2300's duplex system is now working well, but it was 
used when I bought it.  For inkjet printers, I prefer ink-tank versions. 
I have had good luck with Canon inkjet printers.  Since I use Ubuntu 
Linux, I first look for ones that support Linux, which requires me to 
look to the UK site where Canon seems to support Linux, while not 
supporting it in the USA.


Now, if you are needing a large monthly printing life, and the 
scanner/copier/fax included, I have seen a lot of good HP printer 
systems.  It seems that every office I go to has a HP business printer 
with 2-5 paper trays.


SO, I would thing HP for b laser printing and look into the business 
inkjet printers [up to $1000] that has been designed for 10,000 + pages 
a month.




On 03/01/2018 08:45 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 01/03/2018 à 13:58, Kurt Jaeger a écrit :

Hi,

I suppose it is horses for courses, as they say.

At work, I have a networked Kyocera FS-C5150DN, it is slow by modern
standards but trusty.

I also have a networked HP MFP X576dw - lightning fast, colour OK,
although colour calibration is not quite what appears on screen (typical
HP). It can scan to virtually anything in the office over the network,
takes USB keys, etc, and handles wireless and phone app printing (even
printing over the internet if that is your thing)

Both can do duplex.


I have been rather surprised at the excellent print speed of the HP
though, so much so that I bought a second (slightly different model) for
my home office.

Alex





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Sample documents showing off LibreOffice features

[Tim-L]

"Ages Ago" - that means several versions ago, like 3.6.x or 4.4.x maybe?

Since LibreOffice is now on the 6.0.x version, there must be a lot of 
new abilities for rendering "complex" documents.  It would be nice to 
have a new set of documents to show the current state on what 
LibreOffice can do for our users.  I do not create complex documents, so 
I do not know all the ways that you can make a good looking complex 
document.  The most complex document I have done over the years, is to 
create 6 column, with frames, per side of a tabloid [11 by 17 inch] 
sheet of paper for a newsletter. I do not remember how to setup these 
frames anymore.


So, if any one can make really great looking documents, newsletters, 
editable calendars, etc., I think there should be a place to post them 
so potential users can see what users can do. I know I would point to 
that place to let local people know why LO is a very useful office suite.




On 02/26/2018 01:06 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
 From ages ago.  There was a call for anyone with a fancy document or
spreadsheet to show off through the marketing team.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 8 December 2017 at 09:40, Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:


Hello,

I'd like to build up a collection of sample ODF documents that really
show off the versatility of LibreOffice. This could be complex Writer
documents, or spreadsheets doing awesome things, or smart-looking
presentations.

These would be useful for marketing (making screenshots and videos) and
showing potential users what the suite is capable of.

So I'm putting this call out for docs! If you have something you want to
share, and are happy for it to be public and Creative Commons BY-SA,
please email it to me. I'll then organise what I receive and set up a
wiki page for them.

Thanks!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

I am going to do my reply between the paragraphs.
So read down till the "end" note.


On 02/24/2018 03:51 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
LibreOffice is not like most programs.  It has a large core program with a
few tiny modules / satellites / add-ons / plug-ins / apps that kinda
plug-in to that core.  Removing one or a handful of those modules does very
little to affect the size or complexity of LibreOffice.  At least that is
how i understand it to be.



There is always Abiword or Google-docs.

Abiword focuses on beinga word-processor without having to integrate with
other programs.  It should be smaller, lighter and faster but i've not used
it in the last decade or so.

The only functionality missing from Abiword was that i couldn't make it
default to using MS formats.  Quite ironic since i now rarely use MS
formats - because they are incompatible between different versions of MS
Office = with new versions of MS Office struggling to open older files that
use their format.


I looked at Abiword before.  I do not know why I did not keep in on the 
computer.


I do have to use MS Office formats.  I do not like to save the documents 
in the formats with a "x" in it. I use .doc instead of .docx, for an 
example.  I have had people send me documents that I needed to edit or 
reproduce - in both Word and Google Docs formats.




As for using Linux i used to be a fairly normal "point and click" user
until after i had used "gnu and linux" for about a year.  In that first
year i spent most of my time still using Windows with only occasional
forays into Linux.  Then i started using Firefox, OpenOffice and other
things on Windows too - and then i found a game on Linux that wouldn't work
on Windows.  That was when my migration to Linux got faster and faster.  So
it took me a couple of years of really not pushing myself before i found
i'd kinda accidentally stumbled into using Linux without working at it
much.
Cost of Windows packages started me on the road to making Linux my 
default. When my list of needed packages totaled over 10 times greater 
than my rent, I really looked for an alternative.  Of course the 
security option over the required security needs in Windows.


I was using Firefox and Thunderbird on Windows, before going to Linux.  
I used MS Office with Office 2003 the last one I have.  I started using 
OOo before it saved files in MS Office formats. When I could not wait 
till OOo updated again, I found LibreOffice while it was still in their 
final release candidate. I have been using it ever since. I still have 
CDs and DVDs of MS and other Windows packages. Some I still have to use 
since I have not found a replacement.


One package I do not use much, is one I always install on my systems. 
Artha is a great offline dictionary and more. If I cannot use Writer and 
its language tools, then Artha is my next line of defense.

I'm not sure what migration route i'd recommend for a blind user.  Perhaps
using a simple virtual machine such as Virtualbox = it's not as scary as it
sound!  It's just a program you can install in Windows and when you
double-click on it the program runs in a window which you can just close to
stop the virtual-machine.

Another route is to install Ubuntu inside Windows as though it was just
another program.  Unlike other distros (Mint, Red-hat, Open-Suse etc) the
Ubuntu people make a "Wubi installer" on their installer Dvd and the Wubi
can be installed on Windows.  So maybe just stick an Ubuntu Dvd or
Usb-stick in and see what options it gives you.


I went to Ubuntu, before I bought my first system with MS Windows NOT 
installed. I looked at several Live CD/DVD version for a HP laptop that 
had XP originally installed. Ubuntu was the only Live version that 
worked with the laptop's sound system. I think that was 9.04. I bought a 
no OS desktop in late Feb 2010 and used 9.10 till 10.04 came out. I 
switched to MATE desktop environment when Ubuntu went to Unity.  I liked 
the GNOME version that was on 10.04, 12.04, till 13.10. I still have one 
desktop using 14.04 with MATE since every time I tried to install 16.04 
the upgrade crashed and kept on crashed.




Actually "Puppy Linux" does something similar but although it's good on
low-spec or older systems it's much less typical of linux distros and it's
not so easy to migrate to other distros

That is just my own opinion but it's too the best of my limited knowledge
about these things.

Regards from
a Tom :)


Since the system would be going to a user that may have used Windows.  
Sure there are "lite" versions of Linux.  I have used them once in a 
while for testing.  I tried some on that old HP laptop in a previous 
reply paragraph. But what I need to do had me installing more and more 
packages that stopped it being a "lite" version.




On 24 February 2018 at 18:37, Robert Großkopf 
wrote:


Hi Tim,

Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
DEB based Linux install, 

Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

On 02/24/2018 05:19 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:


since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
different.


Here is a reply for a few posts.

Italo

I use to program main frame computers and my first PC was a PC-XT 
generic system with dual floppies.  In the past 20+ years, I did do some 
small stuff with various languages, but went with C/C++ maybe 10 years 
ago, but I am not really a PC programmer.


I learned about Linux, RedHat and others, in a class for a Network 
Technology degree.  During the Vista era, I needed to do some 
audio/video work and the Windows packages were more than 4 times my 
rent. I then bought a "low cost" desktop for a Linux box.  I loved all 
of the free stuff.  Then with the knowledge that half my processing 
power went to anti virus and other security packages, I started to use 
Ubuntu 9.10 on a newly bought desktop.  That one now has 6.25TB of 
storage space. Two of my laptops have Ubuntu MATE and Windows 10 
installed, and the newest runs only Ubuntu MATE.


Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not 
DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and 
package managers like Synaptic.
Henri I did not look to see Base, since I did not use it. Yes, the Math, 
Draw, and Base, seems not to be installed by default. Since the 
repository usually have an older versions of LO. It looked like Ubuntu 
MATE had LO 5.1.x as their included version. After I updated the old 
computer, I installed 5.4.6. I have 6.0.1 on the laptop I am typing 
this. - - - - - Thanks to all your comments. This thread was started 
when I was given a really old HP Pavilion alll8x desktop. It was a 64 
bit CPU running Windows XP [32 bit] and only 512MB RAM and 160 GB drive. 
I found two 512MB memory modules/sticks and with them I have about 800MB 
of RAM after the "shared video memory". I may install a second IDE/PATA 
drive with a 80GB on. I really did not want to spend money on this old 
base model desktop. Since I really did not want to install XP on it, 
then use a Win7 upgrade disk to get a more modern Windows OS. Since MATE 
desktop environment was stated to be a good option for the old Win XP 
users, I installed Ubuntu Mate on it. Also, even if I installed Win7, 
half of the processor power would be used for the needed security 
packages. I have been adding various packages to the system; 
LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Chrome [for those who want it], GIMP, 
VLC, Education software packages, Sound Converter, XPad, font manager, 
and other packages that might be useful. I did remove a lot of fonts 
like the massive collection of Thai fonts. Over half of the fonts 
installed seemed to be Thai fonts. Also, from a different post, I added 
K3b CD/DVD burner - that I use all the time. That required some KDE 
runtime package. There was a comment about using Kubuntu on the old 
desktop. I wanted the system be setup so all the user would need to do 
is install the printer they may have. Or use Ubuntu Software Center, and 
the newer software center installed with Ubuntu MATE 16.04, to add some 
other packages they might want. To be honest, the system is set up to 
not need a password to load, but has a root password that is the model 
version till the user changes it.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

Hey Guys.  I found two 512MB memory sticks.  It now gives me about 800MB 
after the shared video memory.


Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with 
LO?  Found that out about an hour ago.



On 02/23/2018 03:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh <david.burle...@gmx.com> wrote:


It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
it down so much that it became unusable.
On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
Xubuntu.
There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
get the
most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
so light
and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day <mhenri...@gmail.com>
wrote:


2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L <webmas...@krackedpress.com>:


I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
give

away.

It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
drive.  It was an
original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
it needs
ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
better to
just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.

I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
stated
32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
"module
missing".

So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
install?
With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
versions. As I
type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
cycle.  So,

it

is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
repository.

To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
a free
giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
15 inch
monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
to buy

any

hardware for it.

So, what is the newest version I can install without and
problems?.


Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
16.04 on
this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
LO - why
not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
itself via
the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
this would
be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
don't wish
to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
DDR-2
sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
next to
nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
experience
the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
listed as 256
MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Save auto recovery information

[Tim-L]

I just checked. I have my auto-save set for 10 minutes.

I know that when I are hard at work doing long documents from notes, or 
outline, I tend to set it for 5 minutes since a lot of the document is 
"off the cuff" from a small amount of text in cryptic notes and/or 
outline of the document.  It is easier, I find with a lower auto save time.


Believe me, it came in handy for several documents on a desktop when we 
lost power - car hit electric pole or such - and I would have lost a lot 
of work.  Now I do that stuff on a laptop, but I still want the auto save.


On 02/23/2018 12:21 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yeh, 10mins is waaay too often for me.  I think psychologists ht suggest
20-40mins but i would go for around an hour.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 23 February 2018 at 17:14, zahra a  wrote:


hi.
for changing autoSave:
open tools, options, load-save, general and active or deactivate
Save AutoRecovery information every:
newer versions of libreoffice by default, save the informations every
ten minutes and you can change the number of saving.

On 2/23/18, Tom Davies  wrote:

Hi :)
If you do try turning the auto-save off then you really need to get into
the habit of doing your own saves quite frequently.

I tend to find that creating a document originally takes me a fair while
but if i lose it then it takes me a LOT less time 2nd time around.  When
first trying to write something down i wrestle with all sorts of

decisions

about grammar, layout, formatting and how to express my thoughts.  If i
lose even a significant chunk of work i can usually re-create it very
quickly 2nd time around because i tend to find those decisions are still
lurking around somewhere so i can just get on with the typing.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 18 February 2018 at 03:04, Steve Edmonds 
wrote:


It is an interesting discussion.
A while back auto-save was losing my images from the document, now that
seems well and fixed.
I have a UPS with 15 mins. or more reserve to give me plenty of time to
save when the beeping starts, and LO seems so stable now, my multiple
documents can sit open for a week or more and I cannot remember the last
crash/hangup. I almost wonder if I can turn auto-save off.
steve


On 18/02/18 07:29, Girvin Herr wrote:


My beef with autosave is that it seems to start saving just as I start
typing and it does not save my keystrokes while it is saving and I

don't

notice it is saving. I end up after the autosave, having to evaluate

what

keystrokes worked and what didn't, and redoing the keystrokes that got
ignored. I still find the autosave benefits outweigh these

aggravations,

though, so I have it enabled all the time.

Girvin Herr



On 02/17/2018 04:52 AM, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)
+1 to all points there!  I hadn't thought through my suggestions!

The autosave thing is something that annoys me more than it helps.  I
don't
like my machine putting me on hold when it suddenly decides it needs

to

do
something.  I tend to switch features like this off where I can and

then

just try to make sure I do my own saving and backups on my schedule
rather
than on the machine's.

Regards from
a Tom :)


On 17 Feb 2018 10:05, "Peter Hillier-Brook" 

wrote:

On 17/02/18 09:17, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I'm not sure how to open as read-only myself but i'd guess a
right-click
either per file or on a group of selected files prolly has

something.

Select "Open File" within Libre Office: in the dialogue box, in the
lower left hand corner is a clue and yes, it does function with
multiple
selected files.

I think chmod might help change which user "owns" the files - or put

them
on a volume/drive/folder that is mounted read-only - but that all
seems a
bit extreme.


It's more than a bit extreme, but changing the permissions on the
reference files would work, with possible side-effects. i.e. Libre
Office would probably try to auto-save and might regularly bleat

about

its inability to do so.

You could change the time-delay or completely eliminate the auto-save

feature.  Such options used to be in;
Tools - Options - ...
or something like that and prolly still are.


Not a good idea if one wanted to auto-save the "live" document,

however

depress F1 and search for "auto" in Help.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

On 02/23/2018 09:43 AM, M Henri Day wrote:
2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L <webmas...@krackedpress.com 
<mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com>>:



I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
give away.

It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It
was an original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware.
Since it needs ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS
"damaged", It was better to just make it a Linux system - for
security reasons.

I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
stated 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a
SIS630 "module missing".

So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
install?  With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the
newest versions. As I type this, the old system is now in the
"software updating" cycle.  So, it is installing the newest LO
that is in Ubuntu 16.04's repository.

To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a
free giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP
"square" 15 inch monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it
and do not want to buy any hardware for it.

So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.


​Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE 
16.04 on this system, you should be able to install and run any 
version of LO - why not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO 
just updated itself via the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd 
recommend beyond this would be installing a bit more RAM. Even if 
you've made clear that you don't wish to buy any hardware for it, you 
should be able to obtain some used DDR-2 sticks, which the motherboard 
is almost certain to support, for next to nothing, which would make a 
great deal of difference in how you experience the computer (the 
system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are listed as 256 MB RAM, with 
512 MB recommended)


Henri


Hey Henri. . . . .

First - I would have to buy more ram.  I may find some in a box 
somewhere.  I do not want to put money into this free giveaway desktop. 
Since HP no longer have spec info for this old XP desktop, I do not know 
if the two 256MB memory sticks is the largest or could it take two 512MB 
instead.


Second - Ubuntu MATE stated the x86 version would take the least amount 
of ram, but since it gave me fatal errors, I tried x64 version.  I run 
this on laptops, like the one I am typing from.


Tom Davis
thought this desktop could use Kubuntu.  I have not tried KDE for a long 
time.  I read a lot of articles that stated that MATE was the better 
option to take an old XP desktop and add Linux distro that would be the 
"easiest" to move to for those who used XP. I likes the "gnome" version 
used originally for Ubuntu version 9 thru 12. After that I changed to 
the MATE desktop environment. Since I use Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS, and 
will go to 18.04LTS this year, if the person who gets the old system 
needs help, I can help them.


zahra a
mentioned using XP on the system.  I do have XP and a Win7 upgrade 
DVDs.  For XP, I do not want to reinstall XP since there are no security 
updates anymore.  I really want the system not to have to use half the 
processor usage for security software.  As for Win7, well there are 
still some security updated for a newly installed Win7 systems.  Also, 
the processor issue is the same with Win7. This security issue is one of 
the biggest reasons for running Linux.  I knew that Ubuntu 12 could run 
well, but I was hoping to get 16.04LTS to install.


Third - The Ubuntu MATE install updated the 64-bit LO 5.1.6.2 from the 
repository. I have one system running 5.4.4 and this one is running 
6.0.0.3, but will go to 6.0.1.x soon.  I was thinking about running 
5.4.5.x on the 512MB system.  I wanted the more "conservative user" 
version of LO over the "technology enthusiast, early adopter or power 
user" version for this system.


To be honest, this old system will be used for a few things - browser, 
email, document creation, music and media player. I may add a few 
"education" packages to that system, since it may go to a kid as well as 
an adult.  As I stated, it will be free.  If you need a new/newer 
system, you can get a Win10 laptop for under $250.




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[libreoffice-users] My YouTube email showed a German language LO video

[Tim-L]

I get a newsletter email from YouTube showing various videos that I 
might like. One of them was a German language video about Calc.


It is weird to get a non-English video notice, but at least the 
newsletter email service showed a LibreOffice video.  Hopefully I get an 
English LO video notice.


Here is German video "name" and the URL.  Since I do not read or speak 
German, someone else needs to inform me what the video is about.  Maybe 
I can look at an English version.


"Seite und Drucker einrichten in Calc - LibreOffice 6 (German/Deutsch)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAbrnD8nm64=em-subs_digest



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[libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to give away.

It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB drive.  It was an 
original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since it 
needs ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was 
better to just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.


I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs stated 
32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630 "module 
missing".


So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would 
install?  With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest 
versions. As I type this, the old system is now in the "software 
updating" cycle.  So, it is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 
16.04's repository.


To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for a free 
giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square" 15 inch 
monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want to buy 
any hardware for it.


So, what is the newest version I can install without and problems?.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Limit on resizing windows in LO 6

[Tim-L]

On 02/22/2018 07:32 AM, Ianseeks wrote:

On Thursday, 22 February 2018 11:51:30 GMT waterbeare...@gmx.com wrote:

I am not sure if this is a bug or there is some adjustment I have missed. 
However, running LO6 in Mageia Linux, LO limits the minimum screen width. I 
cannot reduce Writer to less than about 60% of the screen width, while Calc 
will go down to a bit under half.

IS this a bug (saw nothing in a quick glance at bugzilla) or am I missing 
something?

Versión: 6.0.0.3
Id. de compilación: 6.0.0.3-1.mga7
Subproc. CPU: 4; SO: Linux 4.14; Repres. IU: predet.; VCL: gtk3;
Configuración regional: es-ES (es_ES.UTF-8); Calc: group

Running on Mageia 7 with Enlightenment 22.1 on an Asus K53SD laptop



I had a similar problem with this until the KDE side of LO was installed - not 
sure exactly what the KDE library is but i guess for better integration with 
the KE desktop which i use but when it was pure GTK i could only partially 
minimise the width plus a few other issues with cut and paste into documents.

Ubuntu Mate 16.04 using LO 6.0.0.3 works fine with Writer going down 
below a third of the screen with.  I did install some KDE packages a few 
years ago. I do not know how much of the KDE libraries were installed 
and how much is still on that laptop.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Broken 6.0.1.1 installation

[Tim-L]

On 02/17/2018 10:33 PM, Darrell wrote:

Jean-Baptiste Faure-3 wrote

Le 17/02/2018 à 05:07, Darrell a écrit :

LO crashes if I start it and click on File->Open It also crashes
(and automatically restarts!) if I start it and click on File->Exit
LibreOffice.

The error message simply says "Due to an unexpected error, LibreOffice
crashed." No clue as to the nature of the error. Anyone have any
suggestions
as to how to fix this problem or where to look for further information?

Did you try to rename your LO profile ? It is in ~/.config/libreoffice

Best regards.
JBF

I had not tried that. That fixes my problem. I no longer have anything on
the
File->Recent Documents list (of course), but File->Open now works correctly.
Thank you for the suggestion.



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I have had to do the "rename" option with other versions when the 
profile gets messed up. Most often it was from a printer profile getting 
corrupted.  There were other issues, but if there is a problem with LO 
and I cannot get it fixed, I use the "rename" profile option and it 
fixes most of them.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO not finding my scanner

[Tim-L]

Just to throw more issues - LO 5.4.x still does not find my Canon 
printer's scanning service.


So, it could be the Scanner drivers for Ubuntu.  The "scangearmp2" 
package does not have all of the options as the "version 1" did. To 
bad.  Now I have to do all of the cropping, etc., via GIMP instead at 
the scanning level.



On 02/11/2018 11:30 AM, Tim-L wrote:


To be honest, I had never tried to use my scanning option with 5.4 or 
earlier.  I was just going through the different drop-down menus after 
I installed 6.0.0.3.


I see 6.0.1.x is online for download.  I will install it within a few 
days.


2 of my 3 laptops have both Windows 10 and Ubuntu Mate 16.04 
installed.  The newest laptop is a Ubuntu Mate only box. Right now, 
the second oldest laptop is my default one and is the only one running 
6.0.x.x.


I will look into the uses of the scanning options with one of those 
other laptops to see if it scanning works.



On 02/10/2018 08:04 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

This appears not to be a Linux specific issue. I can't speak for macOS
users, but it is definitely a problem with LO 6.0.1.1 on all of my WIN 7
and Linux boxes, where I have zero scanning issues using LO 5.4 or other
office software.

Has anyone entered a bug report yet?

Dave

On 08.02.2018 16:45, Tim-L wrote:

Yes, I tried Insert > Media > Select Source.  It does not show my
print/scan/copy - Canon TS9020.

Canon's Linux driver for scanning does not work with xsane. They call
their interface "scangearmp2".  This has hardly and options compared
to "scangearmp" which was use for the previous printer/scanners I have
had [all dead now].

Yes, I have 64-bit Ubuntu Mate, LibreOffice, and Canon drivers.




On a side note:

This is the first Canon printer that I bought that has Linux drivers
in their USA web site.  I always had to go to the UK site to get the
drivers. At least Canon is starting to get the picture that a lot of
people in the USA are Linux users.



On 02/07/2018 07:32 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:27:33 -0800
Girvin Herr <ghe...@fastmail.com> wrote:

Another datapoint:

I tried it with LO 5.3.4.2 under xfce and Slackware 14.2 Linux with
my Epson 1660 Photo USB scanner and it worked fine with Insert >
Media > Scan > Select Source.

Girvin Herr

And another datapoint:

I tried with LO 5.4.4.2 under LXDE on openSUSE Leap 42.3 with an Epson
Stylus Photo RX620 and got a 'Due to an unexpected error, LibreOffice
crashed.' (It's one of those annoyingly unhelpful error dialogs that
won't let you copy the text. GRR!)

After restarting LO, it scanned fine. I'll still prefer to use xsane.


On 02/07/2018 03:12 PM, Dave Barton wrote:

After seeing Tim's post I checked and Insert > Media > Scan > Select
Source... opens an empty dialog and Insert > Media > Scan >
Request... silently fails.
Version: 6.0.0.3 (x64) Build ID:
64a0f66915f38c6217de274f0aa8e15618924765 CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows
6.1; UI render: GL;

No issues with scan in either AOO or MS Office on the same machine.

Dave

On 07.02.2018 22:50, Joe Conner wrote:

Did you use the menu tree INSERT -> MEDIA -> SCAN?


On 02/07/2018 02:25 PM, Tim-L wrote:

I just installed 6.0.0.3 64-bit DEB for Ubuntu MATE 16.04LTS.

I was looking at some things and I went to
"Insert/Media/Scan/Select Source".  LO could not find my Canon
TS9020 printer/scanner. I even opened the printer's scan utility
and still LO could not find the scanner.

This is the first time I looked into using a scanner withing LO,
so I do not know if it is a 6.0.0 issue or 5.4.4 or earlier issue.

Any ideas?








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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO not finding my scanner

[Tim-L]

To be honest, I had never tried to use my scanning option with 5.4 or 
earlier.  I was just going through the different drop-down menus after I 
installed 6.0.0.3.


I see 6.0.1.x is online for download.  I will install it within a few days.

2 of my 3 laptops have both Windows 10 and Ubuntu Mate 16.04 installed.  
The newest laptop is a Ubuntu Mate only box. Right now, the second 
oldest laptop is my default one and is the only one running 6.0.x.x.


I will look into the uses of the scanning options with one of those 
other laptops to see if it scanning works.



On 02/10/2018 08:04 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

This appears not to be a Linux specific issue. I can't speak for macOS
users, but it is definitely a problem with LO 6.0.1.1 on all of my WIN 7
and Linux boxes, where I have zero scanning issues using LO 5.4 or other
office software.

Has anyone entered a bug report yet?

Dave

On 08.02.2018 16:45, Tim-L wrote:

Yes, I tried Insert > Media > Select Source.  It does not show my
print/scan/copy - Canon TS9020.

Canon's Linux driver for scanning does not work with xsane.  They call
their interface "scangearmp2".  This has hardly and options compared
to "scangearmp" which was use for the previous printer/scanners I have
had [all dead now].

Yes, I have 64-bit Ubuntu Mate, LibreOffice, and Canon drivers.




On a side note:

This is the first Canon printer that I bought that has Linux drivers
in their USA web site.  I always had to go to the UK site to get the
drivers. At least Canon is starting to get the picture that a lot of
people in the USA are Linux users.



On 02/07/2018 07:32 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:27:33 -0800
Girvin Herr <ghe...@fastmail.com> wrote:

Another datapoint:

I tried it with LO 5.3.4.2 under xfce and Slackware 14.2 Linux with
my Epson 1660 Photo USB scanner and it worked fine with Insert >
Media > Scan > Select Source.

Girvin Herr

And another datapoint:

I tried with LO 5.4.4.2 under LXDE on openSUSE Leap 42.3 with an Epson
Stylus Photo RX620 and got a 'Due to an unexpected error, LibreOffice
crashed.' (It's one of those annoyingly unhelpful error dialogs that
won't let you copy the text. GRR!)

After restarting LO, it scanned fine. I'll still prefer to use xsane.


On 02/07/2018 03:12 PM, Dave Barton wrote:

After seeing Tim's post I checked and Insert > Media > Scan > Select
Source... opens an empty dialog and Insert > Media > Scan >
Request... silently fails.
Version: 6.0.0.3 (x64) Build ID:
64a0f66915f38c6217de274f0aa8e15618924765 CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows
6.1; UI render: GL;

No issues with scan in either AOO or MS Office on the same machine.

Dave

On 07.02.2018 22:50, Joe Conner wrote:

Did you use the menu tree INSERT -> MEDIA -> SCAN?


On 02/07/2018 02:25 PM, Tim-L wrote:

I just installed 6.0.0.3 64-bit DEB for Ubuntu MATE 16.04LTS.

I was looking at some things and I went to
"Insert/Media/Scan/Select Source".  LO could not find my Canon
TS9020 printer/scanner. I even opened the printer's scan utility
and still LO could not find the scanner.

This is the first time I looked into using a scanner withing LO,
so I do not know if it is a 6.0.0 issue or 5.4.4 or earlier issue.

Any ideas?
   





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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO not finding my scanner

[Tim-L]

On 02/08/2018 03:37 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 11:45:08 -0500
Tim-L <webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:


Yes, I tried Insert > Media > Select Source.  It does not show my
print/scan/copy - Canon TS9020.

Canon's Linux driver for scanning does not work with xsane.  They
call their interface "scangearmp2".  This has hardly and options
compared to "scangearmp" which was use for the previous
printer/scanners I have had [all dead now].

scangearmp is a command-line program, not an interface. LibreOffice
uses the SANE backends, just as xsane does, just as pretty much every
other scanning program does. Do you have the sane package installed?

Your scanner is listed as using the sane-pixma driver, but is marked as
untested. See http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON

Generally, buying a scanner or other hardware device for use with linux
is unwise unless it has been tested and reported as compatible. This is
especially true with linux-hostile manufacturers like Canon.


Interesting.  IF scangearmp2 needs SANE, then why can it work without 
SANE being installed?


I just checked for it. It was not installed.  I installed SANE and it 
scangearmp2 did not work any different.  Still, LO "media scan" option 
does not work either.


Actually, I have scangearmp2 as a launcher on my desktop. Since it shows 
a GUI window when called, it is not fully command line with all of the 
options as parts of the command.  I wish the "2" version had all the 
options that the original one had.  At least it saves JPG instead of 
just PNG.



"use with Linux" is something I do search for.
I do so by looking for printers that have Linux drivers coming from the 
manufacturer, and not a third party.  For Canon, all 4 of the printers 
had drivers for DEB based Linux. Usually, I have to go to the Canon UK 
site for the drivers.  This last one, TS9020, was the first one that had 
Linux drivers in the USA site. I found out how much the problem was when 
I had an Epson Workflow[?] printer.  I could print OK, except for 
duplexing.  It would not scan at all till I installed Ubuntu 12.04.  I 
started out with 9.10 on that desktop.


The only printer brand that I get the drivers from a "3rd party" is HP. 
They are the easiest to get the drivers, etc.. It seems that their Open 
Source driver system will "make" a driver for the specific OS and model 
you have.


The first 3 Canon PIXMA models I had used used scangearmp.  This new one 
required "scangearmp2" the newer version -  Scan Gear MP 3.40. The old 
and new one are not compatible, backwards or forward.


So, "linux-hostile" is not as true as people think.  Sure, till now, 
Canon's support system tells you that they do not support Linux. This 
was for the USA support system.  If you went to the UK support site, you 
can find the Linux drivers there.  Sure, when I bought a Pixma MG6220, I 
had to get the MG6240 driver - since it was called MG6200 driver. So I 
could buy the Canon printer and get the drivers for Linux.


Also, I make sure I can get third party ink.  I cannot afford the Canon 
OEM pricing.  When I had the MG6220, I could get 6+ full sets of ink for 
the same price I would get for 1 OEM set.  This new TS9220 set costs 
more, but the printer has not been out as long as the others.  It is 
getting lower in costs though. I can use a lot of ink each month, if I 
am doing a lot of "work".  So, ink costs are very important for someone 
on a fixed [mostly] income.






Yes, I have 64-bit Ubuntu Mate, LibreOffice, and Canon drivers.




On a side note:

This is the first Canon printer that I bought that has Linux drivers
in their USA web site.  I always had to go to the UK site to get the
drivers. At least Canon is starting to get the picture that a lot of
people in the USA are Linux users.



On 02/07/2018 07:32 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:27:33 -0800
Girvin Herr <ghe...@fastmail.com> wrote:

Another datapoint:

I tried it with LO 5.3.4.2 under xfce and Slackware 14.2 Linux with
my Epson 1660 Photo USB scanner and it worked fine with Insert >
Media > Scan > Select Source.

Girvin Herr

And another datapoint:

I tried with LO 5.4.4.2 under LXDE on openSUSE Leap 42.3 with an
Epson Stylus Photo RX620 and got a 'Due to an unexpected error,
LibreOffice crashed.' (It's one of those annoyingly unhelpful error
dialogs that won't let you copy the text. GRR!)

After restarting LO, it scanned fine. I'll still prefer to use
xsane.

On 02/07/2018 03:12 PM, Dave Barton wrote:

After seeing Tim's post I checked and Insert > Media > Scan >
Select Source... opens an empty dialog and Insert > Media > Scan >
Request... silently fails.
Version: 6.0.0.3 (x64) Build ID:
64a0f66915f38c6217de274f0aa8e15618924765 CPU threads: 8; OS:
Windows 6.1; UI render: GL;

No issues w

Re: [libreoffice-users] LO not finding my scanner

[Tim-L]

Yes, I tried Insert > Media > Select Source.  It does not show my 
print/scan/copy - Canon TS9020.


Canon's Linux driver for scanning does not work with xsane.  They call 
their interface "scangearmp2".  This has hardly and options compared to 
"scangearmp" which was use for the previous printer/scanners I have had 
[all dead now].


Yes, I have 64-bit Ubuntu Mate, LibreOffice, and Canon drivers.




On a side note:

This is the first Canon printer that I bought that has Linux drivers in 
their USA web site.  I always had to go to the UK site to get the 
drivers. At least Canon is starting to get the picture that a lot of 
people in the USA are Linux users.




On 02/07/2018 07:32 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:27:33 -0800
Girvin Herr <ghe...@fastmail.com> wrote:

Another datapoint:

I tried it with LO 5.3.4.2 under xfce and Slackware 14.2 Linux with
my Epson 1660 Photo USB scanner and it worked fine with Insert >
Media > Scan > Select Source.

Girvin Herr

And another datapoint:

I tried with LO 5.4.4.2 under LXDE on openSUSE Leap 42.3 with an Epson
Stylus Photo RX620 and got a 'Due to an unexpected error, LibreOffice
crashed.' (It's one of those annoyingly unhelpful error dialogs that
won't let you copy the text. GRR!)

After restarting LO, it scanned fine. I'll still prefer to use xsane.


On 02/07/2018 03:12 PM, Dave Barton wrote:

After seeing Tim's post I checked and Insert > Media > Scan > Select
Source... opens an empty dialog and Insert > Media > Scan >
Request... silently fails.
Version: 6.0.0.3 (x64) Build ID:
64a0f66915f38c6217de274f0aa8e15618924765 CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows
6.1; UI render: GL;

No issues with scan in either AOO or MS Office on the same machine.

Dave

On 07.02.2018 22:50, Joe Conner wrote:

Did you use the menu tree INSERT -> MEDIA -> SCAN?


On 02/07/2018 02:25 PM, Tim-L wrote:

I just installed 6.0.0.3 64-bit DEB for Ubuntu MATE 16.04LTS.

I was looking at some things and I went to
"Insert/Media/Scan/Select Source".  LO could not find my Canon
TS9020 printer/scanner. I even opened the printer's scan utility
and still LO could not find the scanner.

This is the first time I looked into using a scanner withing LO,
so I do not know if it is a 6.0.0 issue or 5.4.4 or earlier issue.

Any ideas?
  







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[libreoffice-users] LO not finding my scanner

[Tim-L]

I just installed 6.0.0.3 64-bit DEB for Ubuntu MATE 16.04LTS.

I was looking at some things and I went to "Insert/Media/Scan/Select 
Source".  LO could not find my Canon TS9020 printer/scanner. I even 
opened the printer's scan utility and still LO could not find the scanner.


This is the first time I looked into using a scanner withing LO, so I do 
not know if it is a 6.0.0 issue or 5.4.4 or earlier issue.


Any ideas?



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[libreoffice-users] Fwd: Typing Sanskrit in Libre writer..

[Tim-L]

This was sent to me, when it should have gone to this list.

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Typing Sanskrit in Libre writer..
Date:   Wed, 24 Jan 2018 14:07:22 -0600
From:   L.R. Rao 
To: webmas...@krackedpress.com



Dear Sir/Madam,
I have added the 'Sanskrit2003' fonts in the hidden language list.
I am using KDE of Linux. Please let me know how to proceed further
to type in Sanskrit using Libre writer.
Thank you,
L. R. Rao.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] installed disc usage for LO

[Tim-L]

On 01/02/2018 11:06 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:


On 01/02/2018 10:32 AM, James Knott wrote:

My first hard drive was 30 MB.  I also used PC-Write at home.  I used
Wordstar 2000 & Word Perfect at work.  I also maintained mini-computer
systems, including DEC VAX 11/780.


When my father ordered his first computer, he ordered a 10 mg. hard
drive. When he received it, it had a 20 mg. hard drive. They explained
that the 10 mg. had become obsolete since he ordered it and gave him a
20 mg. at no additional cost. He thought he had died and gone to PC heaven.

I also used PC-Write, both at home and at work. I worked as a lawyer and
wrote all of my legal documents and court briefs using that wonderful
little shareware program.

Obviously, LO can do much, much more than PC-Write ever could, but I
think it a shame that, after nearly a quarter century of development, my
quad-core laptop running LO on Linux is no faster than my old Toshiba
286 laptop running PC-Write and DOS. Admittedly, I'm comparing text
processing with text processing. I realize that, with graphical
interfaces, networks and Internet, more is required of today's
technology, but I often wonder. In terms of actual productivity -- i.e.,
getting work done, which for me meant word processing and an occasional
spreadsheet -- I was more proficient 25 years ago than I am now.

I recall back in those days reading an article that claimed that DOS
users made better writers than Mac users. The argument was that DOS
users focused on content (that was all they had), whereas Mac users
focused on appearance (since they could). I can relate for, these days,
I spend a lot of time tinkering with fonts, styles, etc., instead of
actually writing.

Virgil
My first PC was a PC - not XT, or any other letters after the "PC". It 
had dual floppies for its nearly $1000 cost. Took a few years to get the 
first hard drive.  PC-DOS, PC-Write, dBase III, and a lot of shareware 
packages was what I used back then. Took a few years to get a system 
that did color. Then to get a B HP inkjet printer. Then a color inkjet 
a few years later. I was slow to have money to fund all the upgraded 
tech I wanted/needed.  Still that way now.


I have a 14 GB collection of fonts. That was how much I was into fonts.

Styles? Well I never really used the "style" options with LO.  It was 
easier for me to get the "right" look without them.


I still "hand code" using a text editor instead of a GUI package that 
does a lot of the work for me.  That is how I learned.  That is how I 
document the code like I was taught to do. Now you get code packets that 
is hard to understand and almost never documented.  I never learned to 
create GUI based programs, since the information on what to do and how 
to do it was not really documented for people who never used it.  So, I 
no longer try to code for anything that cannot run outside the 
"Terminal" command window.  That is not to say I do not code HTML, but 
it uses the browser to do all of the GUI "stuff" for me.


As for writing, well I have not written more than a 10 page document for 
a while not.  Use to have to do 100+ pages a week for a number of 
years.  I am glad I no longer need to do that anymore, but not what 
caused me to stop working, i.e. forced retirement due to medical needs.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] installed disc usage for LO

[Tim-L]

Yes, I remember that. A friend was harassed for buying a 10 MB drive 
since they thought he would never need that much internal storage. Those 
dual floppy days, and the first 10 to 20 MB hard drives, were the good 
old days for the "personal computer".  I had to create printer drivers 
for various word processors to get PC-Write and WordPerfect to print 
correctly on dot-matrix printers. I worked with a small DEC mainframe 
back then. A few years later I was writing a RPG programming editor - 
designed to make sure you get the command codes in the correct columns.


On 01/01/2018 10:27 PM, Joshua Kramer wrote:

And yet somehow, WordPerfect and Lotus 123 only took up 2mb of my 10mb hard
disk (that was 1990)...

On Jan 1, 2018 8:12 PM, "Tim-L" <webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:


I hoped that my figure of 896 MB was not out of the norm.

I know many people might not get why people are concerned with the
installed size of the packages.  They figure that you could just add a
larger drive to the laptop or another drive [2nd or 3rd] to the desktop. My
newest laptop came with a 1TB drive. The one I am typing from has 500GB.  I
have seen a number of 2TB laptop drives for under $100. I have seen larger,
as well, but between the price and the heat issues, these larger ones may
not be best for low to mid level laptops. Also some people have had trouble
getting a desktop to boot up from a drive larger than 2TB. Desktops uses
one boot disk 2TB or smaller, and then add the 3, 4, or larger data
drives.  Not an option for laptops.

NOW, after that you can see there are limits for laptops for drive size.

For me, I notice my laptops get down to under 20 GB free very quickly.  I
have to have a USB 2TB drive [military grade] on hand to off load data
files so I can continue to do "my thing".  Then I have to try to find room
in my data storage desktop for them.  Of course, I have an old style PATA
drive for boot and three 2TB drives installed with maybe maybe 100 GB left
between the 4 drives.  There is no more room in the case and I had to rig
up a lot of fans to keep it cool enough to work. Of course for whatever
reason it crashes every time I try to install Ubuntu 16.04. OK, that is a
pet peeve.

Of course, if you grew up before the PC was invented, or before there was
an Internet, you will know how I feel about all these "new technologies"
came out.

"on the other hand" - I remember having to install Adobe packages and MS
Office on a 50-80 gig hard drives at a computer work area. Of course, how
many of you remember having to install Windows via floppy discs - twelve if
I am correct - on desktops with no CD drive [before I was allowed to add a
temporary CD drive to use for the installs].



On 01/01/2018 12:08 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:


Hi,

As an FYI, on Fedora 25, the 64-bit version of 5.4.4-2 comes in at
879MB (result of the command "dnf erase libreoffice*" for a
French/English installation with local help in both languages
installed). Interestingly, LO 5.4.4.2 on my Windows 10 platform (64-
bit, VmWare WS player 14) uses 550MB of disk space (size reported by
right click -> Properties on the installation folder in Program Files).

On the other hand, MS-Office on that same Windows platform has a disk
footprint of slightly over 3 GB.

Happy New Year!

Rémy Gauthier.


Le lundi 01 janvier 2018 à 09:41 -0500, Tim-L a écrit :


I was changing versions of LibreOffice and saw something that I am
wondering at.

I ran "sudo apt-get remove libreoffice?" and at one point the process
asked to continue showing that 896 MB will be freed.

This was the 64 bit DEB version of 5.3.6.

Since I was not "purging" LO, I thought that figure was a little high,
but this was the first time I looked at the space being freed up before
installing the next version.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] installed disc usage for LO

[Tim-L]

I hoped that my figure of 896 MB was not out of the norm.

I know many people might not get why people are concerned with the 
installed size of the packages.  They figure that you could just add a 
larger drive to the laptop or another drive [2nd or 3rd] to the desktop. 
My newest laptop came with a 1TB drive. The one I am typing from has 
500GB.  I have seen a number of 2TB laptop drives for under $100. I have 
seen larger, as well, but between the price and the heat issues, these 
larger ones may not be best for low to mid level laptops. Also some 
people have had trouble getting a desktop to boot up from a drive larger 
than 2TB. Desktops uses one boot disk 2TB or smaller, and then add the 
3, 4, or larger data drives.  Not an option for laptops.


NOW, after that you can see there are limits for laptops for drive size.

For me, I notice my laptops get down to under 20 GB free very quickly.  
I have to have a USB 2TB drive [military grade] on hand to off load data 
files so I can continue to do "my thing".  Then I have to try to find 
room in my data storage desktop for them.  Of course, I have an old 
style PATA drive for boot and three 2TB drives installed with maybe 
maybe 100 GB left between the 4 drives.  There is no more room in the 
case and I had to rig up a lot of fans to keep it cool enough to work. 
Of course for whatever reason it crashes every time I try to install 
Ubuntu 16.04. OK, that is a pet peeve.


Of course, if you grew up before the PC was invented, or before there 
was an Internet, you will know how I feel about all these "new 
technologies" came out.


"on the other hand" - I remember having to install Adobe packages and MS 
Office on a 50-80 gig hard drives at a computer work area. Of course, 
how many of you remember having to install Windows via floppy discs - 
twelve if I am correct - on desktops with no CD drive [before I was 
allowed to add a temporary CD drive to use for the installs].




On 01/01/2018 12:08 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hi,

As an FYI, on Fedora 25, the 64-bit version of 5.4.4-2 comes in at
879MB (result of the command "dnf erase libreoffice*" for a
French/English installation with local help in both languages
installed). Interestingly, LO 5.4.4.2 on my Windows 10 platform (64-
bit, VmWare WS player 14) uses 550MB of disk space (size reported by
right click -> Properties on the installation folder in Program Files).

On the other hand, MS-Office on that same Windows platform has a disk
footprint of slightly over 3 GB.

Happy New Year!

Rémy Gauthier.


Le lundi 01 janvier 2018 à 09:41 -0500, Tim-L a écrit :

I was changing versions of LibreOffice and saw something that I am
wondering at.

I ran "sudo apt-get remove libreoffice?" and at one point the process
asked to continue showing that 896 MB will be freed.

This was the 64 bit DEB version of 5.3.6.

Since I was not "purging" LO, I thought that figure was a little high,
but this was the first time I looked at the space being freed up before
installing the next version.







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[libreoffice-users] installed disc usage for LO

[Tim-L]

I was changing versions of LibreOffice and saw something that I am 
wondering at.


I ran "sudo apt-get remove libreoffice?" and at one point the process 
asked to continue showing that 896 MB will be freed.


This was the 64 bit DEB version of 5.3.6.

Since I was not "purging" LO, I thought that figure was a little high, 
but this was the first time I looked at the space being freed up before 
installing the next version.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Help hopeless

[Tim-L]

On 12/26/2017 01:26 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi MR,

On 23/12/17 08:40 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:


I found it.  It's not hard to find.

My complaint is about the help function not having the right information.

What kind of help is that?  (Big hint: NOT.)

Thanks.

MR


Could you please tell us the version of LibreOffice you are using?

LibreOffice is run by volunteers and sometimes items (such as help
items) are still in the "catch-up" phase.

Additionally, feel free to note any help issues on this list and one of
us will try to confirm and submit a bug for you. Or, you could also help
by submitting a bug yourself so that it may be fixed. We welcome new bug
submitters quite happily.

Thanks for helping out and letting us know if that particular issue.

Marc

Hi Marc
Hi the others, as well.

Some people will tell "us" things like "I use LibreOffice 5.4.3", but do 
not include which Operating System they use. Sometimes there are 
problems that are OS problem and not LibreOffice.  I had one 
printer/scanner that would not print duplex documents from LibreOffice 
[I forget the LO version for Ubuntu]. Since I could print PDF documents 
in duplex mode, I though it was LO at fault. I could not get it working 
until there was a major upgrade from 12.04 to 13.10 or 14.04.  So it was 
not a LO issue like I thought.  So, the OS and the version of that OS 
may be needed when asking for help.


Looking at the Download page, there are currently 7 different downloads 
for the versions available.


   Linux x86_64 (deb),  Linux x86_64 (rpm)
   Linux x86 (deb),  Linux x86 (rpm)
   Mac OS X x86_64
   Windows x86_64,  Windows x86

Then for Linux there are different distros like Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and 
others, that use the DEB package versions.  Plus, there is different 
options for Ubuntu, such as 16.04, 16.10, 17.04, 17.10, available to 
download or upgrade to. Of course there are other variants for Linux 
like Ubuntu GNOME, MATE, etc..  I use 16.04 MATE, plus one 14.04 MATE 
system - since it crashes every time I try to upgrade or install 16.04.


I do not have any RPM based systems, so I do not know how many versions 
of Linux that use RPM for their packages.


I also do not use/own any Mac systems as well.

There are still people using Windows 7, who have not upgraded to Windows 
10.  I know a few people who went back to Windows 7 after they tried 
Windows 10. Personally I have installed Win10 on all my Windows systems.


OK that was my 2 cents worth, or maybe a centavo's worth, since 2 USA 
cents is not very useful anymore.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Help hopeless

[Tim-L]

On 12/23/2017 05:54 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote:

I've noticed over the last several releases that the help provided via
the main menu bar is hopelessly inaccurate.

E.g., today I wanted to set up a document with an image as the
background.  The help search returned a section of backgrounds ->
colors/images and it says to click on Format -> Page and select the
Backgrounds tab.  There isn't one.  There is a Colors tab, but it's
not clear what that really means.

There have been other such inaccuracies I've seen in the past, though
in my haste I've never documented them but just plowed ahead and
blundered through.

In a professional production, help menus should match the actual
features of the application.  LibreOffice can (and should) do better.

MR


Try Format > Page > Area > Bitmap.

You have to add your background image to the list of bitmaps shown on 
the left side.  The only problem, for me, is getting the image options 
the way I want it to look on the page. I use this a lot for making 
posters for events - both Letter size, Tabloid [11"x17"] size paper 
printed "in-house".


Does this help?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Focus issues on Linux

[Tim-L]

On 12/23/2017 03:12 PM, Girvin Herr wrote:



On 12/23/2017 11:38 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote:



On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 10:59:12 -0800
Girvin Herr  dijo:


At this point I should also add that there has long been a bug with
floating toolbars on all Linux installations that I know of - that
is, if you have a toolbar floating it defeats the normal focus
actions of the Linux X-windows GUI. An example would make this more
clear. Let us suppose that I have only one Writer document window
open on the screen. While working on it I discover that I need to
use another program, e.g., Firefox, so I switch to a Firefox window,
leaving the Writer document on the screen. The Firefox window will
come up on top of the Writer document, as it should, but when I
later minimize the Firefox window I see the Writer document is now
completely visible again, but focus has not been restored to it. And
that means that clicking on its icon in the Xfce panel will not
minimize it until I click on the window to restore its focus. Also,
when I later restore a Writer document window quite often the
floating formatting toolbar fails to appear. I can go into View >
Toolbars and I see that it is still checked, but to get it back I
have to un-check it, then re-check it. And when I restore a document
to the screen by clicking on it in the Xfce panel it comes up on the
screen, but again without focus. I wish there was a hotkey to open
the Formatting toolbar, like F11 for the Styles toolbar, but I can't
find one. I tried to create one, but I failed.

I have lived with this bug since forever, with all versions on OO and
now LO. I was hoping that this would have finally been fixed in the
new LO 5.4, but it remains unchanged. And a few years ago I asked on
one of these lists and after much discussion I tracked the problem
down to my floating toolbars, that is, if none of my floating
toolbars are on the screen the document window takes focus as it
should, like all other application windows. Also, the problem is
specific to each individual document window, e.g., as I write this I
have three Writer documents open, I closed the floating toolbars on
one of them and that window then took focus properly, but I left the
toolbars on the other two documents and they still did not take
focus properly.

I, too, use xfce4 and this window focus problem might not be an LO
issue. I use several other apps and have experienced this frustrating
focus problem with them too. I usually don't notice it until after I
type some text and discover the text is not showing up in the window I
expected. It would be an interesting datapoint if someone in this
forum who uses KDE or another Linux desktop would confirm or deny they
experience it with those desktops.

That is very interesting. I have hundreds and hundreds of applications
installed, as I do a lot of writing and desktop publishing, as well as
working with video and multimedia. LO is the only app where the focus
problem happens for me, although it does sometimes happen on web
pages, but that is surely a problem with the html code written by the
site developer. The browser itself has no problem when restored after
being minimized. I also have two computers, a laptop and a desktop,
both with Xubuntu 14.04, and I have the same focus problem on both of
them.

Yes, it would be very interesting to hear from other Linux users. We
might need to take this to another venue if the problem is not related
to LO. I originally researched this and discovered the connection
between the focus problem and floating toolbars at least a couple years
ago and I no longer remember where I asked - surely one of the OO or LO
listservs, and possibly the Ubuntu and/or Xfce forums.

I should also add that I don't believe that I ever filed a bug report.

For the record, I am using Slackware 14.2 Linux (k4.4.88) and xfce 
4.12 on an AMD dual-core Athlon 8GB RAM desktop workstation. The other 
apps I have seen this behavior on are gschem, an electronic 
engineering schematic capture program, and LibreCAD. Both of these 
programs switch window focus at odd, but seemingly consistent, times, 
like after a command is executed it will switch to a related un-docked 
window, where I will have to switch back to the main window to 
continue my work. Annoying. I have not used LO in the manner of this 
thread, so I cannot comment on the focus problem in LO.
I have never filed a bug-report on it anywhere either, probably 
because it is not fatal, just annoying.

HTH.
Girvin Herr


I am trying to follow this thread, but you may be using "window focus" a 
little differently than I do.


To be honest, I follow what you are saying and I believe that I never 
seen what you are describing under Ubuntu with MATE desktop.  I am 
running Ubuntu MATE 16.04.  Has any of you tried the MATE desktop to see 
if you get this same "focus problem"?


I currently us a laptop with dual core Intel B950 with its Intel's HD 
graphics. plus 4 GB memory. This is 

[libreoffice-users] Why are the people who answer users' questions are not getting counted?

[Tim-L]

On the "Projects" list, there is a link to the claiming of badges.

One thing I saw was the fact that people who help others in this list is 
not counted for claiming badges. I do not use "Ask LibreOffice", yet, 
that is the only place to help users if you want to claim a badge. As I 
said, I do not use Ask LibreOffice, just the email list service. There 
are a lot people here that help users.  I do not know how many of these 
users are answering these questions over the ones who answering on Ask 
LibreOffice.


If only the people using Ask LibreOffice get recognized for helping 
others, it seems to me that people who help others on this list are not 
counted as helping others.  Are these lists no longer the place to help 
users and will be dropped soon? That is the only way I can get my head 
around the fact that the helpers are not counted in the "badge page" 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Badges/2017-11



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Re: [libreoffice-users] newer info of what was in a 2014 blog

[Tim-L]

On 12/06/2017 05:44 PM, toki wrote:

On 12/06/2017 04:49 PM, Tim-L wrote:

Do you think my checklist should include EuroOffice for Android, and

Yes, if they are free and are forks of the original OpenOffice.org.

EuroOffice for Android is gratis.
Android OpenOffice has a pay-to-remove-advertising option.


I never seen an advertisement when using Android OpenOffice.  But I do 
not use it much.


I really do not like some of these ad-based free Android apps.  They are 
starting to run LOUD ones when you start them up or close them. I find 
it is a problem when I am in a public setting and the ad comes on to 
promote "silly" game apps much louder than my cell phone's ringtone.



People who are marketing LibreOffice need an easy to read comparison of
each version that run on their systems.

Is that a request for a list of the differences between:
* The same version of LibO, on different platforms. (BSD, Mac, Windows,
Linux, Chrome, etc.);
* Different versions of LibO. ( 5.4.1, 5.4.2, 6.0 alpha, etc.);

I'm in the middle of creating a spreadsheet, that lists the major new
features of each version, from roughly OOo 3.0. Currently, I've got a
skeleton for OOo, NeoOffice, Oxygen Professional, LibO, EO, and AOo.
I think listing LibreOffice runs on all of the OSs it supports.  As for 
the different release versions of LibreOffice, I think maybe there 
should be some information about why we have a "fresh" line of LO and a 
"stable" line - i.e. 5.4.3 vs. 5.3.7.



list of large companies and government agencies that has switched to 
LibreOffice over MS Office.




Doesn't somebody in marketing maintain a webpage with that information?
OTOH, I've come across a couple of organisations that don't want their
migration to become public knowledge.


jonathon




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Re: [libreoffice-users] newer info of what was in a 2014 blog

[Tim-L]

On 12/05/2017 07:43 PM, toki wrote:

On 12/05/2017 11:26 PM, Tim-L wrote:


Yes, it would be nice to have a good list of differences are,

Do you think my checklist should include EuroOffice for Android, and
Android OpenOffice?

And along those lines, are there any forks/clones of OOo for iOS
(iPhone, iPad, iPod)?

jonathon

Yes, if they are free and are forks of the original OpenOffice.org.

Mac devices and iOS ones should be listed as well.  Since LibreOffice is 
not on iOS or Android, yet, we need to have the free forks on the list.


People who are marketing LibreOffice need an easy to read comparison of 
each version that run on their systems.


I do not use Mac, but I do have LibreOffice on Ubuntu 16.04LTS and 
Windows 10. I started using LO in 2010, or thereabout.  I was using 
Ubuntu 9.10 or 10.04 and Windows XP at that time.


Back then OOo had no updates for a long a long time.  It seems Apache's 
OOo is in the same boat.  It would have been nice to have a good, and 
easily read, back then.  When I switched to LibreOffice, I had a 
difficult time convincing people who was using OOo that LO was the way 
to go. I think I tried EuroOffice and other forks the was putting out 
updates before I tried LibreOffice.


One thing that should be listed should be related to what they can do as 
a alternative to Windows Office.  I know a lot of people I worked with 
needed to have it do everything the did with the version of MS Office 
they were using.  The last MS Office I used was the 2003 version.  Most 
of the people I was dealing with used the current version that was out 
around 2013 or 2014.


If you can show people that LibreOffice, or other forks, are a great 
alternative to MS Office.  Since each fork that runs on Windows do not 
include all the same functions or abilities, having a side by side 
comparison helps everyone.


Then add to the document what the tech magazine critics think of these 
forks. The 2014 blog put forth the ideas that LibreOffice did a lot of 
work to the code to reduce its side and still made it better.  Add the 
list of large companies and government agencies that has switched to 
LibreOffice over MS Office.  If they see that these facts, maybe that it 
would be right for them.


So, any documentation that shows the comparison of these forks, AND what 
the critics and large companies/organizations/agencies have to say about 
which ones they use and why.  The "why" may be hard to get, but they did 
switched away from MS's products for the free and open source office 
suites.  That might be enough.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] newer info of what was in a 2014 blog

[Tim-L]

On 12/05/2017 12:06 PM, toki wrote:

On 12/05/2017 03:32 PM, Tim-L wrote:

That is the type of information we could use.

IMNSHO, comparisons with EuroOffice and NeoOffice on the desktop, and
EuroOffice and Android OpenOffice on the Android Platform would be be
equally useful.

That said, I'd rather see articles on functional differences that affect
users. I'm slowly creating a list of features in the various versions of
the programs, for a checklist to use as a feature comparison tool.

jonathon


I use LibreOffice for Windows and Ubuntu.  I use Android OpenOffice on 
my tablets.  Once LO has and working editor, then I will switch.


Yes, it would be nice to have a good list of differences are, but it 
does help for marketing if you let people know that LO is "working 
harder" to fix any bugs that come up and is constantly making the suite 
better and not waiting 3 to 6 months for the bug fixes and new/better 
features.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] newer info of what was in a 2014 blog

[Tim-L]

That is the type of information we could use.

OOo was in limbo when LO started up.  Then Apache bought it and looked 
like there would be movement for competing with LO. Now, as you saw, it 
is back in limbo.



On 12/04/2017 08:42 PM, toki wrote:

On 12/05/2017 01:02 AM, Tim-L wrote:


There is a lot more info in that post, beyond the small quoted text -
4.2.5 listed as the current version - but is there any newer info about
the information stated in that post?

Not really.
AOo is still looking for developers.
AOo still has troubling releases updates that patch critical security flaws.


Since it compared LibreOffice and Apache's OpenOffice.org, it would be
nice to be able to give comparison info between these two free office suites.

AOo is in the nether space, where it is neither completely dead, nor
completely alive. Basically, I don't see that situation changing, until
either IBM, or another three letter agency decides that AOo needs to be
updated, and throws a plethora of paid developers at it. Three letter
agencies outside of the Five Eyes, are going to throw their resources at
LibO, if only because it is easier to upgrade LibO to something that is
secure (^1), than AOo.

^1: Secure here does not refer to malware exploits, but rather, the
ability of the software to minimize/prevent unintended leakage of data
to unauthorised third parties. BAILS is simply phase one, in addressing
that threat-model.

jonathon





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[libreoffice-users] newer info of what was in a 2014 blog

[Tim-L]

I was looking at some old posts and came across this one - below.

There is a lot more info in that post, beyond the small quoted text - 
4.2.5 listed as the current version - but is there any newer info about 
the information stated in that post?


Since it compared LibreOffice and Apache's OpenOffice.org, it would be 
nice to be able to give comparison info between these two free office 
suites.  Since my Nephew told me last week, that he told a coworker 
about OOo, thinking I was using it instead of LO and it was "better" 
than LO.  Since I have been using LO for about 7 years now [if I 
remember correctly], I do not know where he got the info I was no using LO.


So, if some people could read the old blog and get the updated figures, 
it would help.


I do like the second paragraph I quoted.  That is one of the things that 
I love about how well our developers we even back then.



"Off the Beat: Bruce Byfield's Blog"
Oct 25, 2014 GMT

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/LibreOffice-and-OpenOffice-comparing-the-community-health

quote:

  Not only does OpenOffice appear to have lost two-thirds of its
   coding contributors, but its current contributors are outnumbered
   nearly eight times by LibreOffice's. Since OpenOffice does not have
   any localization, art work, or usability accomplishments that exceed
   LibreOffice's, the situation can be presumed to be no better among
   non-coders.


 Yet for me, the most telling difference is in the lines of code.
   Both projects grew from OpenOffice.org (and zealots can be found to
   claim that both are the so-called true successor). But, despite this
   common source, LibreOffice is listed as having 7.2 million lines of
   code, while OpenOffice is listed as having 11.2 million lines. In
   other words, LibreOffice has not only managed to release a steady
   series of new releases, each with incremental changes in the
   features and the interface, but also to remove over 35% of the code
   while doing so. More than any other, the implications of this single
   statistic shows the relative health of LibreOffice and OpenOffice.

end-quote:


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Embedding Fonts

[Tim-L]

On 12/02/2017 03:00 PM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:

2017-12-02 19:31 GMT+01:00 arakish :


Did a search and all I found was some mumbo jumbo about legality.

There are no laws against embedding fonts in documents so you can keep
using
the same font across system units.

If a person has purchased a font for their use, then they are allowed to
embed that font into their documents.

I just think that y'all are too lazy to incorporate embedding into your
software.  All other office suites do it.  As far as I have found, only
Open
Office and Libre Office are the only office that won't incorporate font
embedding.

Thus, get font embedding incorporated.  It ain't that difficult.


First, LibreOffice DO have font embedding: just look at File → Properties →
Font tab → check "Embed fonts in the document".

Second, it seems you are not aware of the legal mess that font licensing
can bring to the table. Most proprietary fonts do NOT allow redistribution,
and embedding a full font on a text document (which is NOT the same that
embedding a subset on a PDF) IS redistribution. So, depending on the
foundry you get your fonts from, embedding could be illegal.

Third, there are several ways to embed a font, and some of those ways may
have patents associated with them so they cannot be freely implemented.

So yes, there ARE laws preventing the embedding of certain fonts, and no,
there is no laziness on trying to avoid font embedding, so please check the
license of the fonts you use before sending them to anyone else. In fact,
please check font licenses before USING them on any document. Good luck
with that.

Regards,
Ricardo


I remember this "argument" in the 1990's with what I was working with 
back then.


I have an Adobe font collection, but I tend to use either MS core fonts 
or some good free fonts.


Here is what I did back then and now - if there is a specific font that 
is NEEDED in the document, I make sure the users of the documents will 
have the links to download the fonts they need. Then it is up to "them" 
to deal with the licenses.







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Re: [libreoffice-users] ttf-mscorefonts-installer

[Tim-L]

Yes, I have to add "Synaptic" every time I do a clean install of Ubuntu.

I also go to "Ubuntu Software Center" to see what might be a good 
package to install.


I also like "sudo apt-get update" and "upgrade"

On 11/15/2017 09:38 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yeh, each different package manager offers it's own advantages.  Synaptic
is no longer the default one but I usually install it because it can handle
individual packages and it's about as powerful as using the command-line
package managers such as apt and apt-get.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 15 Nov 2017 01:00, "Tim-L" <webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:


I go to the Synaptic Package Manager and check the package for removal,
not complete removal.  That ends the system trying to install the package
after the first "fail to install".

I learned this the hard way months ago with a different set of packages I
wanted to try that kept giving me errors installing or will not open up
without errors.



On 11/14/2017 11:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:


Hi :)
Thanks :)

The line under the "apt remove" which was just the package name repeated
was a typo that i'd meant to delete.  Typing that line in prolly wouldn't
do anything at all, or it might sort the problem out by accident.

The main idea was to just remove the package and remove any lingering bits
jic.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 13 Nov 2017 22:50, "Joe Conner" <joeconner2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tom, I will implement your suggestion. I have been getting the pop
up two to three times a day. If I don't get it again for awhile I will
post
that info too.

Blessings, Joe Conner



On 11/12/2017 04:41 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

sudo apt remove ttf-mscorefonts-installer

ttf-mscorefonts-installer



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Re: [libreoffice-users] ttf-mscorefonts-installer

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I go to the Synaptic Package Manager and check the package for removal, 
not complete removal.  That ends the system trying to install the 
package after the first "fail to install".


I learned this the hard way months ago with a different set of packages 
I wanted to try that kept giving me errors installing or will not open 
up without errors.




On 11/14/2017 11:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Thanks :)

The line under the "apt remove" which was just the package name repeated
was a typo that i'd meant to delete.  Typing that line in prolly wouldn't
do anything at all, or it might sort the problem out by accident.

The main idea was to just remove the package and remove any lingering bits
jic.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 13 Nov 2017 22:50, "Joe Conner"  wrote:

Thanks Tom, I will implement your suggestion. I have been getting the pop
up two to three times a day. If I don't get it again for awhile I will post
that info too.

Blessings, Joe Conner



On 11/12/2017 04:41 PM, Tom Davies wrote:


sudo apt remove ttf-mscorefonts-installer
ttf-mscorefonts-installer




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Re: [libreoffice-users] ttf-mscorefonts-installer

[Tim-L]

On 11/10/2017 07:46 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 11/10/2017 04:51 AM, Joe Conner wrote:

LibreOffice 5.4.3 Ubuntu 64bit

I keep getting a pop-up:

_quote_

*Failure to download extra data files*

The following packages requested additional data downloads after
package installation, but the data could not be downloaded or could
not be processed.

ttf-mscorefonts-installer

The download will be attempted again later, or you can try the
download again now.  Running this command requires an active Internet
connection.

_end quote_

Does anyone know why? Or what to do about it?


The mscorefonts installer requires the user to agree to Microsoft's
EULA, which is supposed to pop up during the installation process. What
I have found is that, with some Linux distros, the EULA pops up and with
others it doesn't. If the EULA doesn't pop up during installation, I
have gotten the error you mention.

I have no idea why it works sometimes and not others.

Virgil




I get the same error when I try to install - "ttf-mscorefonts-installer 
3.4+nmu1ubuntu2"  It seems that the installer file is missing from where 
it use to be.


Here is what it states when I look into installing the package. This 
info helps with letting people know what fonts can be used instead of 
what would be installed.  Actually, I have the fonts in my font library 
and some I keep installed, just in case.


-

This package allows for easy installation of the Microsoft True Type 
Core Fonts for the Web including:


Andale Mono Arial Black Arial (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic) Comic Sans MS 
(Bold) Courier New (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic) Georgia (Bold, Italic, 
Bold Italic) Impact Times New Roman (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic) 
Trebuchet (Bold, Italic, Bold Italic) Verdana (Bold, Italic, Bold 
Italic) Webdings You will need an Internet connection to download these 
fonts if you don't already have them.


NOTE: the package fonts-liberation contains free variants of the Times, 
Arial and Courier fonts. It's better to use those instead unless you 
specifically need one of the other fonts from this package.


---

It is nice to see the "NOTE:" part of the info.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] ttf-mscorefonts-installer

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On 11/10/2017 10:20 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Joe,

ttf-mscorefonts-installer

Never heard LO will install ttf-mscorefonts. On my system (OpenSUSE) is
a special script to download ttf-mscorefonts. It has nothing to do with
LO. Could be there is the same script for Ubuntu. So start this script
with your installer.

Regards

Robert


I have seen this font installer outside LO.  It was in my Ubuntu 16.04 
repository. BUT, it will not install since it seems to require getting 
the package from an off-repository site. Since these fonts are from MS, 
and the installer seems to be a .exe file, it is not available-maybe.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] getting LO source

[Tim-L]

I just looked it up on the development page.
This text was given:

    All our source code is hosted in git:

        Clone: $ git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core #
        Clone: $ git clone 
http://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/libreoffice/core.git # slower



This was the text you listed:

        git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core 
libreoffice


By looking at the command line text you are using, it looks like you had 
the wrong command structure.
Looks like you added "libreoffice" after the "core" command.  Can you 
replace the #" with "libreoffice"?

Will it work that way?


On 11/06/2017 10:02 AM, Gilles Gravier wrote:

Mike,


For me, it's downloading... I'm at 25% and no specific issue. I copy
pasted your line directly.


Try again now? Maybe a network or a server error that has since been fixed?


Gilles


On 06/11/2017 15:26, Mike Scott wrote:

There being no answers to the long-standing issues with playing
videos, I thought I'd take a look at the source for myself. Possibly a
hopeless task, but anyway...

I fell at the first :-{ and couldn't even download the source. Not a
promising start!

The page at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingOnLinux
recommends using git, so I tried the suggested

git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core libreoffice

only to be told

"Cloning into libreoffice'...
fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported:
/libreoffice/core"

(I also tried git clone -n  with the same result. I suspect the
web page should show the -n ???)

Help please?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Writer insists on printing landscape.

[Tim-L]

I use Letter size, but when I use to get that error, I renamed the 
config folder and then restarted LO.


Most times that fixes the problems.

But I get it more often with Ubuntu and the Canon TS-9020 printer, 
instead of my other Canon printer.  That printer "decides" how to print, 
and what tray, from the properties of the document file.



On 10/26/2017 04:29 PM, gordon cooper wrote:

Is this bug related to the choice of paper size? I use A4 paper and
have never had this problem.

Gordon.


On 27/10/17 06:35, Marc Grober wrote:

It's a known bug - you can look it up.
The hack of setting the page width to 8.49 or to 8.51 seems to work fine
until the bug is permanently resolved.

On 10/26/17 9:16 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote:
I typed up a letter. LO printed it landscape. I checked Format-Page 
and it’s definitely set to print portrait.


I restarted LO. Didn’t help.

I copied the text to Text Wrangler. Printed fine from there. Copied 
it from TW back to LO. Still printed landscape.


Copied it to M$ Word. Printed fine from there.

Any idea what’s happening?

Eric Beversluis
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Re: [libreoffice-users] 5.4.2 won't install on Windows 10

[Tim-L]

I googled the errors with a different package and the articles stated 
that my "package installer" is the problem and needed to be reinstalled 
or upgraded.  How to do that was not in the articles.  That was a year 
or two before I upgraded Windows 7 to Windows 10.  During that wait, 
Win7 upgraded the installed in one of its patches, so I had that error 
for only a few months.



On 10/19/2017 04:43 PM, James Knott wrote:

I just tried that and still get that error message.


On 10/19/2017 10:14 AM, James Knott wrote:

I already saw that.

tnx


On 10/19/2017 07:10 AM, zahra a wrote:

hi.
i searched in google and find these tips to restore your windows.
hope that help, God bless you!

If your computer isn't running the way it should, you're getting
strange errors or you just want to return it to its default state,
Windows 10 has your answer. The operating system provides a number of
options that let you restore your computer to an earlier state. Here's
how to reset your PC in Windows 10.
1. Navigate to Settings.  You can get there by clicking the gear icon
on the Start menu.
Select settings
2. Select "Update & security"
Select Update & security
3. Click Recovery in the left pane.
select recovery
  Windows presents you with three major options: Reset this PC, Go back
to an earlier build and Advanced startup. Reset this PC is the best
option for starting fresh. Advanced startup lets you boot off a
recovery USB drive or disc and "Go to an earlier build" is made for
Windows Insiders who want to roll back to a previous version of the
OS.
Recovery options
4. Click Get started under Reset this PC.
Click Get started
5. Click either "Keep my files" or "Remove everything," depending on
whether you want to keep your data files intact. Either way, all of
your settings will return to their defaults and apps will be
uninstalled.
Choose whether to keep your files
6. Select "Just remove my files" or "Remove files and clean the drive"
if you chose to "remove everything" in the prior step. Cleaning the
drive takes a lot longer but will make sure that, if you are giving
the computer away, the next person will have a hard time recovering
your erased files. If you are keeping the computer, choose "Just
remove my files."
select clean drive option
7. Click Next if Windows warns you that you won't be able to roll back
to a prior version of the OS.
click Next
8. Click Reset when prompted.
Click Reset
Windows will then restart and take several minutes to reset itself.
9. Click Continue when prompted.
Click Continue

On 10/19/17, libo  wrote:

On 10/18/2017 3:21 PM, James Knott wrote:

On 10/18/2017 03:15 PM, Barry Smith wrote:

When I have a problem installing on Windows 10 as my user (which is
the administrator), I right-click the installation program, and choose
"Run as admin" or whatever the verbiage is. :)


I often do that to, but it wasn't available this time.  However, I was
prompted for the admin password and entered it.  However, the install
still failed.



Do you have CryptoPrevent installed? You will get that error if the
protection is set to "Maximum".

L.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] External Hard Drives - to save my LO and other content

[Tim-L]

I get away from the potential compatibility issues by not compressing 
the data.


I copy the data to a Windows formatted USB drive [2 TB] and then copy 
the data onto my Ubuntu desktop.  Since I actually have three 2TB drives 
internal, that is the primary storage/backup.


The next thing I do is use "rsync" to copy the data to the 6TB worth of 
external storage.  I do not use any compression or backup keyed to a 
specific system.  I just start up the script, when all of the drives are 
mounted, and walk away to do other things, like sleep.  That is the best 
solution for me.


I use to keep the "file storage" system running 24/7, but no longer.  
Since 2010, I have replaced 3 of the 2TB drives.  I have 6 of these 
drives and a few smaller ones as replacements for other systems.  Plus, 
my military shock resistant grade of a 2TB USB3 drive.  That is the only 
2TB drive that is not ext4 formatted.


I too have specif folders for specific data types.  Music, Movies, and 
other videos go, on two drive.  Photography, Images and Graphics, Fonts, 
plus anything else, goes on the last 2TB drive. If I need the data on a 
Windows system, I copy the data, etc., onto the 2TB drive Windows 
formatted drive or 16-64 Gig flash drives.


As an extra safety step, I have my storage system's OS on a separate 
250GB drive.  So if it goes bad, I would loose very little data.


On 10/17/2017 10:50 AM, Ruth Ann Stewart wrote:

Automatic backups are nice, but I found out the hard way that files backed up 
from one computer can not always be restored to another computer, or even to an 
updated drive or operating system on the same computer.

And since I know that any electronic device will fail at some point, I usually 
just buy whichever one is on sale. Drives are cheap enough that it’s not a big 
deal if I have to replace one, although if I think the drive didn’t last long 
enough, or didn’t perform very well, I will definitely choose a different 
brand/model for the replacement.

I do not have a huge amount of pictures or videos to back up, so my method is a 
little easier than some:

I have a folder on my computer called “All”. Any data I create is saved to 
“All” or one of it’s subfolders.

I have a 3TB external drive attached to my MacBook, which uses it to store the 
Time Machine backup data.
Time Machine makes hourly backups of any files that have been changed.

In addition, on a regular basis, I copy “All” to the external drive, renaming 
it to reflect the date/version.
Also, on a regular basis, I copy “All” to an external flash drive or memory 
card, and then rotate through the drives so I always have several previous 
copies available.

If my “All” folder gets too large to fit on the flash drive, it’s easy enough 
to split it into two folders…..
The more changes I make to my files, the more often I back them up.
Works well for me.




On Oct 16, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Tim-L <webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:


If you cannot find a good article that you can trust, then you must take 
opinions of others.

So, this is my opinion about best drives to buy.

Even 1 month old Military specs 2-TB USB Drive can go bad.  Mine did.  At least 
most of it was backed up on a different drive/system.  It only cost me $100 
plus shipping for the original drive - from Walmart of all places.

I always buy the best extended warranty I can get, for all my electronics.  At 
least this replaces the device that died.

First, I personally would not go larger than 2-TB for a drive as your MOST 
needed data, unless you have drives that are designed for NAS or file server 
equipment.  That is my opinion for the drives I can afford to buy, for the 
money I had when I need them. I use a desktop, and its drives as the backup for 
my laptop data. It will end up as a file server - one day.  I believe in a many 
device backup system - as follows;

   I backup the laptop[s] data to my "Silicon Power 2TB Rugged Armor
   A30 Shockproof Standard 2.5" USB 3.0 Military-Grade Portable
   External Hard Drive".  Then take that drive and copy the files to my
   file "server" desktop's 3 different 2-TB internal drives. The are WD
   brand.  Then I use a syncing backup script to the 3 external drives
   - again WD drives - 6-TB internal and 6-TB external.  So, I have at
   least 2 different drives hold the "backups" of the data, if the
   laptop drive goes bad.  It could be easier if I had more money.

I looked at a few places and the "best" drive type I found so far may be the WD Red Pro drives for 
NAS storage.  They cost more than the WS "Black" type, or other brands of drives.  They are 
designed for long life in demanding needs.  I have seen the "red" drives as large as 8-TB for $400 
USD.  The 4-TB run about $150.  If I have the money, I would replace my current drives with these drives.

I currently do not have a NAS storage device - due to the fact I could not

Re: [libreoffice-users] External Hard Drives - to save my LO and other content

[Tim-L]

If you cannot find a good article that you can trust, then you must take 
opinions of others.


So, this is my opinion about best drives to buy.

Even 1 month old Military specs 2-TB USB Drive can go bad.  Mine did.  
At least most of it was backed up on a different drive/system.  It only 
cost me $100 plus shipping for the original drive - from Walmart of all 
places.


I always buy the best extended warranty I can get, for all my 
electronics.  At least this replaces the device that died.


First, I personally would not go larger than 2-TB for a drive as your 
MOST needed data, unless you have drives that are designed for NAS or 
file server equipment.  That is my opinion for the drives I can afford 
to buy, for the money I had when I need them. I use a desktop, and its 
drives as the backup for my laptop data. It will end up as a file server 
- one day.  I believe in a many device backup system - as follows;


   I backup the laptop[s] data to my "Silicon Power 2TB Rugged Armor
   A30 Shockproof Standard 2.5" USB 3.0 Military-Grade Portable
   External Hard Drive".  Then take that drive and copy the files to my
   file "server" desktop's 3 different 2-TB internal drives. The are WD
   brand.  Then I use a syncing backup script to the 3 external drives
   - again WD drives - 6-TB internal and 6-TB external.  So, I have at
   least 2 different drives hold the "backups" of the data, if the
   laptop drive goes bad.  It could be easier if I had more money.

I looked at a few places and the "best" drive type I found so far may be 
the WD Red Pro drives for NAS storage.  They cost more than the WS 
"Black" type, or other brands of drives.  They are designed for long 
life in demanding needs.  I have seen the "red" drives as large as 8-TB 
for $400 USD.  The 4-TB run about $150.  If I have the money, I would 
replace my current drives with these drives.


I currently do not have a NAS storage device - due to the fact I could 
not figure out how to get my Linux systems to work with the current 
router/NAS device I have, or any NAS storage outside of a desktop 
setup.  That is why I hope to get one of my desktops to be a true Ubuntu 
file server.




On 10/16/2017 06:04 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Hi Charles.
I have just had a new WD Black (supposed to be high(er) reliability) 
die within a few weeks. Replaced under warranty.
The probability of that is low, but it does happen. If the backup is 
only a copy of what is on your PC/laptop then you are not needing such 
high reliability as you always have at least one copy on a failure.


I archive (backup and delete original from PC) so use a little DS216 
NAS storage unit  with 2 drives configured raid. Less frequently I 
backup that to a single 4TB HD for off site safety (house burns down).


I also bought a drive on Amazon recently and noticed that there was an 
option for $10 extra to cover data recovery in a failure.


I think your best solution will depend upon how much data you need to 
back up and how often, an on-line solution may even work for you.


Steve

On 17/10/17 07:53, charles meyer wrote:

Hi All,

I have a SONY external hard drive that just died one day within it's
warranty period.

SONY won't recover my drive contents so the next time I've got an extra
$500 I'll have to find a data recovery firm.

I need to back up my contents - music, videos, data but I can't seem to
find an objective, independent evaluation of which external hard 
drives are

most reliable.

Have you found any such article?

Or have you found through experience certain brands more reliable than
others?

Thanks so much!

Charles.







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Re: [libreoffice-users] adding / using custom colours to LibreOffice

[Tim-L]

On 10/15/2017 11:32 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 14/10/17 07:37 PM, Toki wrote:

On 10/14/2017 04:29 PM, Gary Dale wrote:


With a GUI, you just need to know the colour codes and names.

Time yourself creating the Sherwin-Williams Paint Colour Palette.


Which do you think people are more likely to use?

An organisation will hire somebody to construct the colour palette.
An individual that needs new palettes on a regular basis, will learn the
appropriate XML.

jonathon

You're labouring under the delusion that organizations all have 
budgets to do such things. There are large numbers of organizations 
that only have a one or a small number of people working on documents. 
And they will not want to use the savings from not having to pay for 
LibreOffice to be exceeded by having to hire someone to create a palette.




1) Business Color Palette - should be already know.

If someone in the company created their logo[s], then there should be a 
record of those colors. If someone created their web site, there should 
be a record of those colors. How about Business Cards, Fliers, 
Brochures, Banners, and any other document type, are part of the market 
branding.  Many times the colors in their palette are already 
documented, or at least should be.


Go to LibreOffice's Wiki page on marketing and branding.  That page has 
a lot information about what colors and images are proper to use.  This 
type of information should be part of the business's marketing documents.



2)  Creating a color palette SOC file.

I am not a "good typist", but if I had a small list of colors - under 20 
- including the name and color code, it could take less than 10 minutes 
by using a small pre-made color palette as the template.  If a person 
has a sheet of instructions, it could be just as easy for them.


With the list of colors in LibreOffice's branding color list, it should 
take very little time to make a new color palette file. Even with my 
typing skills, it should not take even 20 or 30 minutes for the entire 
process.


3)  No need to hire.

SO, it does not need to hire someone to create the color palette. It 
could be as easy as a 1 page instructional document, a small palette 
template file, using Writer or text editor, a list of colors used, and a 
good typist.


Am I laboring under the delusion, that it can be very easy to do and 
does not need hired help?  I do not think so.



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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-users] adding / using custom colours to LibreOffice

[Tim-L]

On 10/14/2017 12:29 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 12/10/17 10:47 AM, Tim-L wrote:

On 10/11/2017 02:43 PM, Toki wrote:

On 10/11/2017 02:48 PM, Gary Dale wrote:

Either way, with that many palettes in play, there should be a way 
to manage them other than fiddling with XML files.

Palettes are function specific. As such, if made according to the user
specifications, there is no legitimate reason to change anything within
them.


I agree that there are some users do not want to create a color 
palette, but add just a few colors they need to use.  I remember 
doing that a few years ago, for a specific project, before I looked 
into creating my first color palette.  That seems to be the reason 
for the "custom" palette - which I currently have empty.



In terms of creating the palette, it is several orders of magnitude
easier to do so, using XML, than colour pickers. (Try creating the
Resena Paint colour palette using a GUI. Doable, but instead of taking
ten or so minutes, you'll spend hours, and need a second person to 
proof

read the resulting XML file.)


Yes creating the XML palette is easy to do.  All you need is to 
rename one of the small color palettes and then replacing the values 
of a line - like this one - with your colors.




All you need to do is copy/paste this type of line, then replace the 
"Tango: Aluminium 3" with a new name.  Then, change this HTML color 
value of "#babdb6" to the color you want to use.


I have a color palette with Resena colors - over 1370 of them.  I 
added LibreOffice Branded colors, as well of a few others, bringing 
the total to about 1400 of them.


Below is the color palette file and then the PDF file of 10 pages 
with the color names and HTML color codes.


http://libreoffice-na.us/colors_resene.soc

http://libreoffice-na.us/resene-a--Alphabetical-Color-Chart.pdf

I do have other PDF files for other color palette PDF files. Only 
some of them are listed on the "libreoffice-na.us" site. The Resene 
palette is not in the same order as the PDF file. I have 6 versions 
with it either unsorted or sorted by different methods. using these 
PDF files, I have searched for specific colors/hues, like wood-brown, 
gold-like, oranges, etc.. Then I created SOC files for these type of 
colors.


The PDF files for the large ones, can be found on a web site link on 
the top of each page of these PDF files.  They are a great way to see 
defined color names and their associated HTML color code.


Luck was with me when I was given the text list of colors for several 
large SOC files.


To be honest, if you use a color picker on these PDF color "boxes" 
you may find the visible color may not be the exactly same color code 
as listed in the page.  The problem might stem from the software that 
converted the image files to the PDF pages.  Also, for me, my printed 
pages are darker then what is shown on the display/monitor.  Syncing 
the printer to my laptops and desktops is not something most users 
can do for themselves.  Also only a few printers have drives with 
options to "tweak" the printed colors.

FYI: The palette list I see is:
standard
standard

What is the extension of those two files?

Regardless, no OS allows two files in the directory to have an 
identical

name. Some operating systems allow filenames to differ, only by case
that used for one or more glyphs.

jonathon

Yes, Color.soc and color.soc are different on Ubuntu Linux, but as 
one professor stated "think of the Windows file names as all 
uppercase or lower case names. . . ". I have run into this type of 
limitation with transferring files from my Ubuntu laptop to a NTFS or 
Fat32 USB flash drive and/or to a Windows format external drive.


Between the /opt/ root system folder[s] and the hidden .config "home" 
folder [Linux install], I have 11 installed palettes and a few in the 
works


While for someone literate in XML, creating a palette in XML is not a 
big deal, that's not your typical end user. At one point most people 
created formatted text files by embedding descriptions of the text 
formatting into the text file. Some still do, but doing it through a 
GUI like Writer or one of the LaTex front ends is the more usual route.


To create a palette using a text editor you have to research the 
format and find out where to store the file in addition to knowing the 
colour codes and names. With a GUI, you just need to know the colour 
codes and names. Which do you think people are more likely to use?


Well, for those who want to just to find a color's HTML code, there are 
many pre-made color charts charts on the web.  The color chart PDF files 
I have, on my LibreOffice-NA.US domain, have a link to their source 
location[s] as part of each page in the PDF file.  With these color 
charts, there are the color code and the color names for each color 
shown.  You can just find a color you want and then use the "custom 
colo

Re: [libreoffice-users] Which was the last version of LO able to run on Win XP?

[Tim-L]

On 10/13/2017 11:38 PM, zahra a wrote:

hi.
i use windows xp and love my windows version.
from the plan of libreoffice developers i realized that libreoffice
6.0.0 and later does not support xp or vista.
i use version 5.3.4.1 forever and love it very much.
hope that help, God bless you!


I loved XP as well.  That was one reason that I found Ubuntu 9.x/10.x 
had a similar look/feel with the GNOME desktop environment back in late 
2009 and early 2010, when I bought my first "default desktop that did 
not have any OS installed when I bought it new. When Ubuntu went to 
Unity, I looked into the MATE desktop. That is what I use with a Ubuntu 
14.04 -  crashes when I try to install 16.04 - and 16.04 for most of the 
other systems.


For Windows, I also wanted to keep XP for as long as possible.  I even 
have a XP SP3 DVD with many licenses from computers that I have scrapped 
over the year.  My old HP laptop was XP.  My next one had VISTA - yuck.  
I upgraded it to Win7.  The next laptop has Win7 installed.  Those 
laptops then went to Win10 on the Windows partition and Ubuntu 16.04 on 
their Linux partitions.  My newest laptop [ASUS 17"] has only Ubuntu, 
since Windows 10 [came with] would over heat playing videos - streaming 
or local.  Ubuntu sometimes gets a little hot, but not to 180° F, or 
even hotter, like Win10 does all the time and then freezes due by being 
too hot.


The last MS Office I uses was version 2003.  Then I switched to 
OpenOffice.org as my default office "system".  When LibreOffice had its 
first release version to the general public.  I have never looked back.  
Currently, I do not install the first version[s] of LO's lines [5.0.0, 
5.2.0, 5.3.0, etc.] anymore, but I keep installing later versions.







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Which was the last version of LO able to run on Win XP?

[Tim-L]

On 10/13/2017 10:03 AM, Cley Faye wrote:

2017-10-13 14:41 GMT+02:00 DaveB :


Please let's not have discussions about MS having ended support for XP.
There are still an enormous number of machines out there running XP SP3
POS Ready 2009, which MS are still actively supporting. MS most recent
XP update (October 2017) added support for TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2 to XP POS
Ready 2009, See Microsoft Secure Blog: http://bit.ly/2ylRGDo

[snip]

​After a quick test, I found that the 5.3.7.1 version works fine in XP​.
The latest 5.4 doesn't, but I'm not sure exactly which subversion started
to fail. I can confirm however that it doesn't output any error message,
neither on the GUI or on the command line. The splash screen just flash. No
error or warning in system logs either.

The website should probably be updated (or, if possible, the issue causing
a crash fixed instead). I'm tempted to say that losing XP compatibility
wasn't done on purpose.

I can't provide an answer for known security issues, although common sense
says that it's more likely to have some (there's always security issues)
and that they might be fixed in more recent versions. However, not talking
too much about the end of support of XP, it is itself a large attack vector
at this point, so I'm not sure that obscure security issues with
libreoffice would be relevant. Beyond the usual "disable script by default"
advice, it's most likely safe enough to use in such conditions.

Why XP is still being hacked all these years after it no longer is 
supported?  There is one reason I know about - ATM machines.


I was shocked a few years ago learning that, in the USA, most ATM money 
machines are run by using a modified version of Windows XP. There was an 
article about this and a major ATM manufacturing company paying "big 
money" to keep getting security patched from Microsoft - upwards of 
$100,000.


The same article[s] I read talked about making the new ATMs using some 
version of Linux, for both the security and cost of the license 
agreements - i.e. Linux seems never had a virus, malware, hack, etc. in 
the past 20+ years.  More stable too.


As for LibreOffice, well the 5.3.7 version is still a very good version 
to have on your laptop/desktop.  I think I have one desktop with an 
early 5.3.x loaded and one older laptop as well.  Actually, this laptop 
is still running 5.3.6.1.  I just keep forgetting to install a newer 
version for Ubuntu MATE 64-bit 16.04LTS.  I forget what was last 
installed on my Windows systems or partition for the dual booting systems.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] adding / using custom colours to LibreOffice

[Tim-L]

On 10/11/2017 02:43 PM, Toki wrote:

On 10/11/2017 02:48 PM, Gary Dale wrote:


Either way, with that many palettes in play, there should be a way to manage 
them other than fiddling with XML files.

Palettes are function specific. As such, if made according to the user
specifications, there is no legitimate reason to change anything within
them.


I agree that there are some users do not want to create a color palette, 
but add just a few colors they need to use.  I remember doing that a few 
years ago, for a specific project, before I looked into creating my 
first color palette.  That seems to be the reason for the "custom" 
palette - which I currently have empty.



In terms of creating the palette, it is several orders of magnitude
easier to do so, using XML, than colour pickers. (Try creating the
Resena Paint colour palette using a GUI. Doable, but instead of taking
ten or so minutes, you'll spend hours, and need a second person to proof
read the resulting XML file.)


Yes creating the XML palette is easy to do.  All you need is to rename 
one of the small color palettes and then replacing the values of a line 
- like this one - with your colors.




All you need to do is copy/paste this type of line, then replace the 
"Tango: Aluminium 3" with a new name.  Then, change this HTML color 
value of "#babdb6" to the color you want to use.


I have a color palette with Resena colors - over 1370 of them.  I added 
LibreOffice Branded colors, as well of a few others, bringing the total 
to about 1400 of them.


Below is the color palette file and then the PDF file of 10 pages with 
the color names and HTML color codes.


http://libreoffice-na.us/colors_resene.soc

http://libreoffice-na.us/resene-a--Alphabetical-Color-Chart.pdf

I do have other PDF files for other color palette PDF files.  Only some 
of them are listed on the "libreoffice-na.us" site.  The Resene palette 
is not in the same order as the PDF file.  I have 6 versions with it 
either unsorted or sorted by different methods. using these PDF files, I 
have searched for specific colors/hues, like wood-brown, gold-like, 
oranges, etc.. Then I created SOC files for these type of colors.


The PDF files for the large ones, can be found on a web site link on the 
top of each page of these PDF files.  They are a great way to see 
defined color names and their associated HTML color code.


Luck was with me when I was given the text list of colors for several 
large SOC files.


To be honest, if you use a color picker on these PDF color "boxes" you 
may find the visible color may not be the exactly same color code as 
listed in the page.  The problem might stem from the software that 
converted the image files to the PDF pages.  Also, for me, my printed 
pages are darker then what is shown on the display/monitor.  Syncing the 
printer to my laptops and desktops is not something most users can do 
for themselves.  Also only a few printers have drives with options to 
"tweak" the printed colors.

FYI: The palette list I see is:
standard
standard

What is the extension of those two files?

Regardless, no OS allows two files in the directory to have an identical
name. Some operating systems allow filenames to differ, only by case
that used for one or more glyphs.

jonathon

Yes, Color.soc and color.soc are different on Ubuntu Linux, but as one 
professor stated "think of the Windows file names as all uppercase or 
lower case names. . . ". I have run into this type of limitation with 
transferring files from my Ubuntu laptop to a NTFS or Fat32 USB flash 
drive and/or to a Windows format external drive.


Between the /opt/ root system folder[s] and the hidden .config "home" 
folder [Linux install], I have 11 installed palettes and a few in the works.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] adding / using custom colours to LibreOffice

[Tim-L]

On 10/10/2017 04:23 AM, Toki wrote:

On 10/10/2017 03:38 AM, Gary Dale wrote:


I agree that storing organizational (not necessarily corporate) colours
in "custom" may not always be the best idea, but given their small
number in any rational organization, creating a separate palette for
them is arguably also not a good idea.

The primary function of an organisation branding palette, is to have a
formal description of the _only_ colours used in content produced by,
for, or on behalf of the organization. As such, having _one_ palette
that consists only of the organisation branding palette makes sense.

By way of example, the official colour palette of various organisations:
* LibreOffice: 27 colours;
* North Carolina State: 13 colours;
* University of Leeds: 4 colours;
* University of Arizona: 22 in the official palette, 24 in the
unofficial palette;
* University of South Dakota: 9 colours for printing, 9 colours for the web;
* UPS: 4 colours;

Back when Mary Kay was alive, woe betide anybody who delivered anything
for her company, that wasn't in a colour that wasn't in the official
Mary Kay colour palette. (_Even their Uzi's Are Pink_ wasn't much of an
exaggeration.)

jonathon

If creating a small color palette is not a good idea, then add more 
colors to it AFTER you have the "company" colors.


You could start with the - company's colors,
    then LibreOffice colors,
    then the web safe colors,
    and any other colors you might want to use.

Your custom palette can represent all of the colors you use, not just 
the small number of official colors your company uses. They can be in 
any order or groupings.


As for the post stating concern about creating/editing XML files, do not 
worry.  It is really easy.  If you make a mistake, then the palette you 
create will not effect others.


That is why I use the  LibreOffice .config folder for the SOC file[s] 
for testing and more.  If you have Windows, it might not be as easily as 
I have with Ubuntu Linux.  Still, the color palette file[s] is a lot 
easier than other XML files I have seen from other applications.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] adding / using custom colours to LibreOffice

[Tim-L]

On 10/09/2017 04:21 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Toki,

Toki schrieb:
[..]

Installation instructions differ according to one's specific platform.
(For at least one Linux distro, colour palettes can not be customized,
unless you have support contract with the distro vendor.)


If a distro vendor will prevent using it from the share folder, you 
can put the file into the 'config' folder of each user profile. It is 
still read from there, even though no UI exists to generate such file 
there.


Kind regards
Regina




That is what I do, mostly.  I now prefer to have many smaller dedicated 
palettes instead of a few large ones.
The need for a company-wide palette is a great idea for a specific SOC 
file.


This is the hidden folder within Ubuntu is where I place for the color 
palettes I created.


"/home/timothy/.config/libreoffice/4/user/config"

I know where the system files for LibreOffice, including the .soc files, 
are located, but it is easier to place my color.soc files in the hidden 
".config" folder instead of editing a system folder like this "root 
level" directory/folder “/opt/libreoffice5.3/share/palette”  I would 
rather edit the ".config/libreoffice/" folder over editing the "/opt/" 
one 9 times out to 10 easily.


I have made a few palettes and place them on my "libreoffice-na.us" page.

Here is an edited version of one so you do not have to wade through 
several pages of color text definitions.  I used a palette's SOC file as 
a template for my versions.  There may be an extended "ooo:color-table" 
script, but this XML works fine.  The only thing I have found is that 
using a text editor, or even Writer, Ubuntu seems not to associate the 
resulting "color-palette.soc" file as a "xml" file.  These created 
palettes work fine, since the start and ending lines are "xml" script 
identifiers.


   
   http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink;
   xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
   xmlns:ooo="http://openoffice.org/2004/office;>

   
   
   
   

   

This edited color palette actually have over 70 orange colors and hues.  
Another is one with brown and wood colors.  I had a hard time to find a 
specific color for specific need - like a good wood brown - for a 
project's image or text color.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] system sound + Libreoffice

[Tim-L]

Last time I heard of this type of problem was in the early Windows days 
[i.e. Windows 95 era?].  ASCII has a non-printable character that 
actually causes the beep noise with the motherboard hardware.


The question is whether the "no sound" is for the sound card, the MoB's 
"beeper", or both.  Even if the "no sound" stops the hardware beeping, I 
would bet that LibreOffice might flip the "flag" used by the "no sound" 
option on the motherboard and not the sound card.


Those early days of PCs. PC-ATs, PC-XT, etc. did not have a sound card 
on the MoB.  You had to buy one that work with your PC Bus slot.  So 
most developers used the "beeper" character instead of using an optional 
sound card.


SO, there may be something withing the oldest surviving code that may 
mess with the "flag" settings dealing with sound.  I remember something 
about the early days with StarOffice[?] running on DOS


On 10/06/2017 09:09 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:

Do a memory check immediately.

See 
https://lifehacker.com/5531900/use-an-ubuntu-live-cd-to-test-your-pcs-memory


Also try Writer with the live boot CD if it occurs under linux.

Hope this helps.


On 10/6/2017 5:11 AM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

Good evening
I noted a very strange behavior.
Although I have set Windows (10) system sounds to "no sound",
in more or less frequent intervals the systems starts beeping (e.g., 
when switching to Caps Lock).


This happens ***ONLY*** when I am using Libreoffice.
It used to go away, when I reset the "no sound".
By now, this does not work any longer. The computer annoyingly keeps 
"beeping me crazy".


Is there a trick to stop that behavior???

Thank you
Thomas








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Medical dictionary/thesaurus

[Tim-L]

Well I did not remember sending this email out - I was Kracked_P_P - in 
2014.


I had to take Typing for my 2 year Business degree.  For half of the 
class my left arm was in a sling [left handed].  My typing teacher 
yelled at me stating that if I could type into the mainframe for the 
programming classes then I should be able to do the two handed typing in 
her class.  She would not take the doctor's note about my hurt arm and 
hand, for not using either for a few weeks.  I typed in the programs for 
the mainframe only using my right hand.


With Dyslexia, and one good hand, "caused" the typing teacher to call me 
lazy and wanted me to be expelled from that college for being rude to 
her and not doing my work deliberately - even thought my doctor stated I 
could not use the arm or hand and being Dyslexic.


When I finally could use both hands, even though the arm was still 
healing, I was forced to do 2 months of work in 6 days in her class 
while she was watching me and complained that if I did not fake the 
injuries I would be able to type faster.  It took an administrator to 
get her to ease up on me and not to give my a failing grade for that class.


Actually I was not the worst typer in the class.  Those 3 students did 
not get her wrath and a low grade, like the teacher was doing to me.


That was when you used a real typewriter and not a computer terminal 
before PC came out.  Later, with a typing program, I finely was able to 
type over 15 words per minutes.  Then I had my first stroke and needed 
to relearn to type all over again using 2, 3, or 4 fingers only.  After 
3 strokes, well lets just say it is hard for me to have four words in a 
row typed correctly.


Sorry - this is still a pet peeve for me.


The links in the 2014 email no longer exists.


On 10/03/2017 07:33 PM, Joe Conner wrote:
In my typing class in high school many years ago, words per minute 
typing speed was determined by the number of key strokes per minute 
divided by five.


Blessings, Joe


On 08/03/2014 07:48 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

On 08/02/2014 07:45 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote:
Would someone please suggest a medical dictionary/thesaurus for 
LibreOffice?
I've looked through the extension download site but haven't located 
any there.


Thanks, Tom



These two are a little out of date, but the worked on LibreOffice 
before.



http://libreoffice-na.us/English-4.2-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/English-US-Medical-openmedspelApril-22-2008.oxt 


43,000 words

http://libreoffice-na.us/English-4.2-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/Chemistry_Dictionary__technical_chemistry_words--ChemDictOOo2011-01-07.oxt 


105,000 words






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Re: [libreoffice-users] FontForge - converting fonts...

[Tim-L]

On 09/28/2017 03:38 AM, zed wrote:

I've been very interested in the discussion of the problems users are
having in LO5.4.1.2 not reading fonts. Someone mentioned that he had
converted a font to one LO had no trouble finding, So I thought I would
try and do the same .

Downloaded FontForge with the purpose of converting Garamond Adobe fonts
to a format which LO 5.4.1.2 can read.

When I open the Garamond fonts in Font Forge they are displayed

ugmm8a.pfb
ugmmi8a.pfb
ugmmr8a.pfb
ugmmri8a.pfb

Clicking on any one of them displays an edit window and I presume that I
should be able to convert each to something other than .pfb but have no
idea how to do it.

I have looked at several utube videos but they do not cover conversion
from one font type to another, concentrating upon creating new fonts.  I
tried to access the fontforge website but after some twenty minutes of
waiting for it to load, without success, I gave up.

All advice would be welcome, as the Garamond font is used for my business
letterhead.

zed


I just tried Fontforge using Ubuntu 16.04/MATE.

In opened a TTF font and went to File > Generate Fonts.  I looked at the 
option "buttons" and choose to make it an OTF one. All I had to do after 
that was to save the font.


The process gave me some errors, but the resulting font looked the 
same.  Since I used a font that was decorative one, so it was not a 
"standard" font.  I think that was what the errors were about.


I do have the Adobe font collection in "storage", but I never used Type 
1 fonts so I could not test Fontforge with that type of font.


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