Re: [libreoffice-users] User interface colour issues
From: Sergeantmajormario The buttons are impossible to see unless highlighted and all search bars are blackened. I tried resetting all the colour options in the Tools and I even tried manually setting all colours in the Application Colours and nothing has changed at all. Change your system theme to something with light colours. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Font colors on Windows vs. Linux
On 2/03/20 2:23 pm, Cuyahoga Falls wrote: > I have to believe that, having different color resources on the > different versions of LO would make life frustrating for people sharing > documents between Windows and Linux computers. I see two possibilities for your experience: * Your Windows version of LibO is from TDF, but your Linux version is from a distro. Distro creators have a nasty habit of damaging the software they include in their distro. * Either the monitors or the video outputs for either your Windows box or Linux box are not correctly calibrated. My recommendation would be to create your own colour palettes, tailored for your specific use-case. Whenever you update/install LibO, copy your custom palettes over the default stuff. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Built in metric/imperial conversion
Hopefully, the attachment is dealt with properly, this time around. On 19/02/20 11:29 pm, Udvarias Ur wrote: > jonathon, > > First, what does Language Settings have measurement units? The function I am looking for is in LibreOffice 6.0.0.1 Specifically, configuration is at >Tools >Options >Language Settings >English Sentence Checking >Other Checkbox 1: Convert to Metric (Centigrade, km/h, m, kg, l) Checkbox 2: Thousands separation of large numbers Checkbox 3: Convert to non-metric (F, mph, ft, lb, gal) The entire menu item "English Sentence Checking" is not in LibreOffice 6.4.0.3. Also missing from 6.4.0.3 is Lightproof Grammar checker for English. (I'll grant that Language Tool is much better option than LightProof Grammar.) > Second, if I correctly understood what you're getting at, you can find > it in Tools → Options → LibreOffice Writer → General → Settings → > Measurement Unit. That is a different function. That affects layout structure. The function I'm looking for enables one to change the content of the document. I've attached a screenshot to show the page in the options menu that I'm wondering what happened to. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Built in metric/imperial conversion
On 19/02/20 11:29 pm, Udvarias Ur wrote: > jonathon, > > First, what does Language Settings have measurement units? The function I am looking for is in LibreOffice 6.0.0.1 Specifically, configuration is at >Tools >Options >Language Settings >English Sentence Checking >Other Checkbox 1: Convert to Metric (Centigrade, km/h, m, kg, l) Checkbox 2: Thousands separation of large numbers Checkbox 3: Convert to non-metric (F, mph, ft, lb, gal) The entire menu item "English Sentence Checking" is not in LibreOffice 6.4.0.3. Also missing from 6.4.0.3 is Lightproof Grammar checker for English. (I'll grant that Language Tool is much better option than LightProof Grammar.) > Second, if I correctly understood what you're getting at, you can find > it in Tools → Options → LibreOffice Writer → General → Settings → > Measurement Unit. That is a different function. That affects layout structure. The function I'm looking for enables one to change the content of the document. I've attached a screenshot to show the page in the options menu that I'm wondering what happened to. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reveal code, old macros convert them to LO
On 7/5/19 9:39 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > To my knowledge, that sort of thing doesn't happen with LO, making reveal > codes unnecessary. In general, I agree with you. However, there were one or two times when the RevealCodes4Cal macro showed me what was going wrong with the styles in the cells, that Stylist was not displaying, or otherwise telling me. I never found the standard reveal codes useful. Much simpler to simply export the document to plain text, then open it as a plain text file, then add the appropriate formatting, than mess around with what styles might, or more often might not have been used. > To me, using reveal codes in LO is like trying to use a gas gauge on an > electric car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j52odgkRxDs and that is not the only video on YouTube showing somebody trying to figure out where to put gas into their Tesla. ### It looks like I don't have a copy of thae RevealCodes4Calc macro anymore. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Reiwa: New era in the Japanese calender
All: 1 May 2019 started a new era in the Japanese calendar. Does LibreOffice correctly convert between Gregorian and Japanese calendars - Heisei being the former era and Reiwa being the current era. Or is this part of the functionality provided by the Wareki extension? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] how do I delete a page in libreoffice?
On 4/29/19 3:30 PM, William Dudley wrote: > 0. Apologies for the insufficiently detailed question. The pages I wish to > delete are (as far as I can tell) entirely blank. I was wondering if they were blank, but the used vocabulary implied otherwise. > 1. The problem I am experiencing is apparently because on the last page, > there is a picture and some text anchored to the page. Libreoffice is > apparently > capable of making a document longer when the content expands and there is an > anchor on the last page, but incapable of removing blank pages if the content > shrinks. Whether or not it does that, depends upon the paragraph, character, and frame styles that were last used. If the last frame has migrated off the last page, then deleting whitespace surrounding the frame will usually delete the last blank page. However, this deletion process can be tricky. Your use-case is not unusual. The fix is not well described in the documentation. >not least because there is probably NO email propagated malware targeting >Linux. Either the Shadowbroker's dump, or the one of their competitor across the street contained an email delivery system targetting Linux. The dump of one of their competitors had a delivery system targetting BSD. As such, the only safe assumption is that there are both delivery systems, and malware targetting every OS out there. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Wrongly placed caption
On 4/25/19 11:20 AM, Stephen Harding wrote: > Has anyone else come across this? Is it a bug or am I doing something > wrong? (Note: I've been using LO for many years without any problems. The default was changed from below the image, to above the image. When you write the caption, go to the bottom of the box, and change "above" to "below". If you're feeling very brave, and don't mind destroying your LibO configuration files, you can go into the expert menu, and configure "below" to be the default. (I don't recommend exploring the exert menu, unless you are willing to destroy your entire LibO configuration setup.) jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice corrupted by Ubuntu failed upgrade
On 4/21/19 10:56 AM, Keith Bates wrote: > So I thought I would upgrade from Ubuntu to 18.10 to 19.04. The normally The only safe way to upgrade from one version of Ubuntu, to another, is to wipe the drive, and install the new version of Ubuntu. > Except Libre Office. Uninstall LibreOffice. Delete _all_ configuration files. /home/user_name/config/.libreoffice/* Delete _all_ files in /opt/libreoffice/* from /home/user_name/ cd .. cd .. ls -alR | grep offic Delete all folders and files that have libreoffice as part of their name. Then download LibreOffice from https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/ Unpack and install LibreOffice. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Concatenate Function inCalc
On 4/2/19 9:27 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: > Because CONCATENATE expects a list of simple references, it performs an > "implicit intersection", if instead of a simple reference a range is given. > http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#ImpliedIntersection That implies that it was a bug that when it saw a range, it returned the expected result. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Concatenate Function inCalc
On 4/2/19 2:54 PM, Robert Großkopf wrote: >> This thread is about CONCATENATE being dysfunctional in that it accepts >> ranges, but does not act on them correctly. Please stop referring to CONCAT >> as the reason that CONCATENATE is broken. > > Please read the first mail of jonathon. > "With previous versions of LibO, concatenate(b1:b200) would concatenate > all cells between b1 and b200." > He has been looking for a functionality of CONCAT and wanted to use > CONCATENATE, which never worked in this way. It doesn't matter if concat or concatentate is the correct command to use. Neither concat(a20:a200) nor concatentate(a20:a200) return the expected the result. Both return the value in a20. Prior to LibO 6.2.2, (a20:a200) would return a single string, containing the contents all the cells between a20 & a200, inclusive. ### The only work around I've found is to create half a dozen cells, concatenating 30 cells each,then concatenating them, and then concatenating them, if needed. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Concatenate Function inCalc
All: LibreOffice 6.2.2.2 CPU: 8 Threads OS: Linux 4.2 Locale en_ZA With previous versions of LibO, concatenate(b1:b200) would concatenate all cells between b1 and b200. With LibO 6.2.2.2, concatenate(b1:b200) returns the data in b1. a) When was this functionality changed? I didn't come across it in any of the 6.x betas/daily builds that I tested; b) Why was this functionality changed? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Embedding Fonts
On 12/02/2017 06:31 PM, arakish wrote: > There are no laws against embedding fonts in documents so you can keep using > the same font across system units. Copyright law, and licensing rules come into play here. > If a person has purchased a font for their use, then they are allowed to > embed that font into their documents. That literally depends upon what the terms of the license that the font is sold/leased under state. Commercial foundries typically have licensing for: * Desktop use only; * Document embedding only; * Internal document use only; * External document use only; * Intra-web use only; * World Wide Web use only; * ePub use only; * PDF use only; Use the font for a purpose for which one does not have a license, and you face a lawsuit that at best, you lose. > I just think that y'all are too lazy to incorporate embedding into your > software. Font licenses are so tricky, that if you don't have a lawyer explain just what your license allows, you will violate the license. No ifs, ands, or buts. I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Persona: LibO 5.4.3.1
All: Is it just me, or do Persona not install with LibO 5.4.3.1? Thus far I've tried: * Registry modification: manually editing "/home/toki/.config/libreoffice/4/user/registrymodifications.xcu"; * Expert Configuration Setup: ">Tools >Options >LibreOffice >Advanced >Expert Configuration"; * Standard configuration: ">Tools >Options >LibreOffice >Personalisation. Both Preinstalled, and Own Theme options; LibO data: Version: 5.4.3.1 Build ID: 32c8895c6cae21571f364dbb059f419a743ee44d CPU threads: 2; OS: Linux 4.7; UI render: default; VCL: gtk2; Locale: en-ZA (en_US.UTF-8); Calc: group See Log: https://hub.libreoffice.org/git-core/32c8895c6cae21571f364dbb059f419a743ee44d jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: resolved (Re: getting LO source)
On 11/09/2017 05:28 PM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > Errm, seriously, not really, other than perhaps just focussing on one area of > the code. :( > thereby making it difficult to have increasing in-depth knowledge and > insights. That knowledge kind of tends to be assumed. Not to mention that there used to be a great set of developer documentation. I didn't grab it back when it was available, thinking it would always be available, and today it is nowhere to be found. > I would probably need several lifetimes to become proficient enough in > programming in C++ At least it isn't APL. I'm delving into the "expert configuration" in ">Tools >LibreOffice >Advanced >Open Expert Configuration", trying to figure out how to get LibO to behave the way I want it to. And to find out what those options do, I have to study the source. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: resolved (Re: getting LO source)
On 11/09/2017 09:04 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > As a non-developer trying to read the code for bug hunting, it has given me > migraines on many an occasion. Any pointers on how to minimise the pain of reading the code? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: ">Tools >Options >LivreOffice >Advanced >Open Expert Configuration
On 11/02/2017 05:42 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: >Nope, why it takes an expert Super-expert, would be a more accurate term. > You pretty much must as you said try: > >> * Reading the source code, and translating that into English; >> * Playing with the options, selecting randomly selecting values, and >> hoping I can pickup the effects; I was hoping that it was simply a case of my Google-Fu not being up to snuff. > Documentation team is always happy for assistance, especially on a large > project like capturing all these would be. As I explore those options, I'll blog about it. Probably easiest to start at ">Tools >Options >LibreOffice >User Data >Name" and end at ">Tools >Options >Internet >MediaWiki >Web Publisher", including notes for extensions that add their configuration menu to ">Tools >Options". (IIRC that was R4OOo.) jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] ">Tools >Options >LivreOffice >Advanced >Open Expert Configuration
All: Other than: * Reading the source code, and translating that into English; * Playing with the options, selecting randomly selecting values, and hoping I can pickup the effects; is there anything that describes: # the configuration options; # what that option does; # acceptable values for the option; # the effect of each acceptable value; For each item listed at ">Tools >Options >LibreOffice >Advanced >Open Expert Configuration" If so, what documentation, etc am I looking for, and where can it be found? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] encryption Q
On 10/31/2017 09:00 PM, John R. Sowden wrote: > which encryption algorithm is used by Libreoffice? http://libreoffice-environment.blogspot/search/label/encryption The specific blog post is "LibreOffice & Apache OpenOffice Password Recovery" > Neither Libreoffice nor Google seem to be my friend. As a search engine, Google is highly overrated. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc CountIf Alternative/Work Around
On 09/09/2017 05:18 PM, Brian Barker wrote: > Yup. Your syntax is almost right, but not quite. You need: > COUNTIF(Slant.B38:Slant.B1038;">"_Slant.B44) Thanks. That worked. > You can no doubt see that COUNTIF() expects an inequality to be > expressed as a text string. So ">1234" will work, but not ">A1", since > that "A1" will not be seen as a cell reference. If you need to > incorporate a cell reference, you need to concatenate the ">" sign with > the value in the cell, which will automatically be converted to text > because of the context of the reference. This looks like one of those basic things that I should have known, but somehow or other missed. :( Now wondering how many other things I've missed/skipped over, without realizing it. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Calc CountIf Alternative/Work Around
All:
In the spreadsheet I'm working on, I'm trying to find the number of
items that are more than 6 standard deviations from the norm.
Standard deviation formula is StDev(Slant.B38:Slant.Slant.B1038))
That formula works.
The obvious solution, as expressed in the formula
COUNTIF(Slant.B38:Slant.B1038,>IQ_Slant.B44) does not work.
Error # 510: Missing Variable.
Using quotation marks for the criteria to search by (">IQ_Slant.B44")
does not work.
Is there a way to count the number of cells whose value is greater than
the variable, when the variable is the value found in a specific cell?
jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Search and Replace: Line Breaks
On 08/24/2017 11:26 AM, Philip Jackson wrote: > On 24/08/17 05:00, jonathon wrote: >> If you need to use Regex in LibO, you need to install the Alt-Search >> extension. > > Not so. See 'Find and Replace' > Other Options > Regular expressions That doesn't insert line breaks, or paragraph breaks. Alt-Search does insert line breaks, or paragraph breaks. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Search and Replace: Line Breaks
On 08/22/2017 11:19 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote: > you must use the AltSearch extension I was under the impression that the built-in Search and Replace function had finally caught up with the Alt-Search extension such that installing the latter would duplicate existing functionality. Having tried your recommendation, I discover that my impression is wrong. > you to perform all sorts of substitutions of that nature fairly easily. If you need to use Regex in LibO, you need to install the Alt-Search extension. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Search and Replace: Line Breaks
All: Is there a way to insert line breaks, using Search and Replace? If so, how? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Which is the more up-to-date: LODev 5.3.3.0.0, or LO 1:5.3.5.2-2?
On 08/20/2017 02:16 AM, Doug Hutcheson wrote: > version LO 1:5.3.5.2-2 and found it does not recognise the Basic libraries Assuming that is a typo for LibO 5.3.5, then that would be the more stable, and bug free version. If you don't like surprises, then stick with the "still" version, and only install when the third digit is "3", or higher. IE: 5.3.3, 5.4.3, 6.0.3, etc. If you can tolerate surprises, but want reasonable stability, then stick with the fresh version, upgrading only when the third digit is "1", or higher. IE: 5.4.1, 6.0.1, etc, If you can tolerate surprises, and don't mind being in the herd, then install "fresh", when the third digit is "0". IE: 5.4.0, 6.0.0, etc. If you like living on the bleeding edge, download the nightly builds. This is only recommended for those who can afford the time it takes to completely wipe, and the reformat their hard drive, and re-install everything, because something in the nightly build screwed everything on their system up. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Letter page format size prints portrait pages as landscape on OS X
On 29 July 2017 10:04:21 AM GMT-07:00, Tim-L wrote: >I use to know a guy in Canada and he stated they use the metric system and he >used A4 paper [8.27" by 11.69" >> In Canada our standard is letter (8.5" x 11"), legal (8.5" x 14"), tabloid Officially, Canada uses A, B etc sizes. Unofficially it uses letter etc. As a practical matter, people use whatever the local stationary store offers, which appears to depend upon locale. jonathon -- Using LibreOffice in a Multi-lingual Environment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Highlighting nouns in LibreOffice Writer?
On 30 July 2017 2:40:32 AM GMT-07:00, Tony Arnold wrote: >By then the AI agent could probably write the documents for you!!! I've forgotten the name of the British newspaper mongol that has started replacing sports writers with bots. About five years ago, a company in the US started selling software for preachers. You gave it the lectionary reading of the day, and it spat out an original three point sermon. jonathon -- Using LibreOffice in a Multi-lingual Environment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Highlighting nouns in LibreOffice Writer?
On 30 July 2017 2:35:07 AM GMT-07:00, csanyipal wrote: >I think this is at the moment impossible, Such critters are available for other software. Fot LibO, the simplest approach would be to roll it into an extension, a la Language Tool's N-Gram component. It would use its own database, -- sqlite, IIRC --- and it is large --- 25+ GB for English. jonathon -- Using LibreOffice in a Multi-lingual Environment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unwanted Alternative Image Names
On 27 July 2017 10:10:20 PM GMT-07:00, gordon cooper wrote: >However, the Alternative text should not appear if the image >already has the Name used as the caption. Er no. The alternative name is supposed to be a description of the image content. jonathon -- Using LibreOffice in a Multi-lingual Environment -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Struggling with Hebrew in LO
On 24/11/16 10:35, CVAlkan wrote: > What's the program and language you're looking at? FontMatrix, and C++, respectively. > But consider this my encouragement for whatever that's worth; I'm also > willing to experiment with whatever you come up with if you need another I cloned it to my GitHub space, and then cloned it on my system here. I'll merge my changes onto the version on my GitHub space. That way, the original stays "pure", but people that want to risk their system with my programming skills, can try it out. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Struggling with Hebrew in LO
On 28/10/2016 19:25, CVAlkan wrote: > I've attempted to upload my shell script using the More button; Thanks. > heavily commented (as much for my own benefit as anything). If a script is not commented, then nobody knows what it is supposed to do. > That helps when choosing a font that Writer (hopefully) won't mysteriously > replace. Even with the ability to set a CTL > language and font, it will be ignored and replaced if the font isn't > reporting what it has correctly. If the font does correctly report what it has, then it shouldn't be replaced. > The bad news is that the list of languages/scripts is not comprehensive > (just ones I've happened to look into); the good news is that they're > defined in a "case" statement, so adding some others should be relatively > simple. Give me a week or so to play with it. I'll probably expand it to include most, if not all writing systems included in Unicode 9.0: # On second thoughts, it might be easier to rewrite this script in Python, and add a procedure that inspects each glyph. * ISO 15924 for writing system codes: Both alpha and numeric codes; * ISO 639-3 for language codes; * ISO 3166 for country codes; Create, and use an SQLite database, with one table for each of the following: * Writing systems that are officially implemented in Unicode; * Writing systems that are unofficially implemented in the Private Plane Area; * Language or languages associated with each writing system; * Glyphs that are associated with each writing system; * Glyphs that are associated with each language; By using a database, modifications due to Unicode updates is trivial --- add the new information to the database. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Struggling with Hebrew in LO
ng the updated font. Trying to destroy faulty versions, is playing whack a mole. There are better things to do with one's time and energy. > there is a way for me to pass my bash script along - assuming you have > access to a linux machine (or the Windows 10 bash shell experiment???), let Is it on GitHub? if so, that might be the easiest. Otherwise send it as an email attachment. Box, or dropbox might be easier than email. I use Linux. Windows is way to frustrating for me to use. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Struggling with Hebrew in LO
On 26/10/2016 18:36, CVAlkan wrote: > substituting fonts unnecessarily when you switch, even if you have > specifically selected a font containing both scripts/languages you are using. Does the bad font substitution go away, if you manually add foundry data to the font? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Struggling with Hebrew in LO
On 25/10/2016 14:43, Jonathan Allen wrote: > Attempting to combine Hebrew and English text in the same sentence, as it > were to say 'shalom' in flight, assembles the language blocks the wrong way > round. Use language specific character styles, and language specific paragraph styles. Hebrew only, English only. You can't mix English and Hebrew in the same style. Things will get messed up. I usually use a different colour, for each paragraph style, and each character style,. Then, when the document is completed, proof-read, copy-edited, grammar checked, etc., change the style colours to black. To avoid the misplaced punctuation issue, don't use the non-dominant language at either the beginning, or end of the sentence. Ideally, it won't be the first, or last word, in the correctly punctuated phrase. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] "Choosing Fonts" book released
On August 8, 2016 5:42:21 PM PDT, Bruce Byfield wrote: >has released Choosing Fonts, On page 15, is a minor technical error. "Their disadvantage is that only display in one color". In Unicode 9.0, there are a small number of emoji whose specifications call for different colours being displayed at the same time. Currently LibO displays those multi-coloured glyphs in a single colour. Slightly more advanced, is configuring styles so that a single glyph looks like it is two, or more colours. >DwL has had over 16,000 downloads. “That’s more than I could ever have >imagined,” I suspect that there is a far larger market for non-basic material on using LibO and its kith and kin, than most authors suspect. jonathon -- Multi-lingual documents in ODF file formats -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] invoicing systems using Calc (or something else)
On 30/03/15 21:27, Eric wrote: I'm looking for a system that will do all the appropriate accounting for invoices, tracking what's paid and not paid. That pretty much mandates that one have a bookkeeping system. That said, I still need to build a produce invoices and track when they were paid. Since your accountant told you to never touch a book keeping system again, that gets a little tricky. I'm hoping for something that lets me stay in the libreoffice ecosystem. To track income, a possible solution is a write document, that is changed according to function. I've attached an example to this email. File Properties Custom Properties is where to go to change most of the information in the document. * Replace Invoice with Pro-Forma Invoice, Quote, Receipt, Estimate, Statement or other appropriate * The item, and the price are changed in properties. # Use your standard price, for the pricing. # Change description in the pricing block, when you change the item. # Change quantity in the pricing block, for the specific client; There are three lines for discounts: * Two are for deducting specific dollar amounts; * One is for deducting a specific percentage; Then, if the correct tax rate is in the description field, it automatically calculates the appropriate tax, if the correct amount is listed in the description field. (The accompanying template is wrong. Tax is not 97.5%, but 0.975%. ). Tracking number is for SH, if needed. Then you have a line for any deposit / down payment that was made/were made. Put this amount is the item column. The next line is how much was previously paid. This excludes any deposit/down payment that was made. This also excludes any payments made today. (There is no easy way to ensure that no errors are inadvertently made here. For some reason, that cell doesn't automatically add numbers together.) The next line is how much was paid today. Put this item in the item column. Under quantity put how it was made. cash, cheque, credit card, debit card, something else. The final line is how much is still owing. When everything is correct * Save the document with the client's name, form-type, and date of the original request, or invoice number; * Export the document as a PDF, then email the PDF to your client, and to your bookkeeping email account. (The bookkeeping email account is an email account whose sole function is to store PDFs until you, your bookkeeper, or your accountant can go through them, and do the correct accounting procedure with them. Some caveats about using this: * The forms have to be correctly labelled as to what they are; * You have to use the same document, for everything from initial estimate to final receipt; * Previous payments have to be double checked, to ensure that the numbers are correct; To track outgo, the simple solution is: * Cash is completely prohibited; * Use a debit card for all purchases --- this includes rent, utilities, taxes, and everything else under the sun that your business uses; * Request both a paper and digital receipt for all purchases; * In a spreadsheet, One @ One page is for outgo: # use one row per purchase: # Columns are for: record #, date, time, place, card present/not present, vendor, vendor address, item purchased, cost of purchase; * lease payments are included in this sheet; * Payments on outstanding debt is included on this sheet; * Either you or your accountant or your book keeper needs to reconcile that spreadsheet with your bank withdrawals at least once a week; @ One page is for income; # use one row per payment: # Columns are for: invoice #, date, time, client name, client address, initial amount of purchase, amount paid today, amount still owing, how payment was made; * Either you or your accountant or your book keeper needs to reconcile that spreadsheet with your bank deposits at least once a week; @ One page is for leases, and debt. # use one row per payment; # Columns are for: record #, date, time, place, card present/not present, vendor, vendor address, item purchased, initial balance, amount paid, current amount owed; * This sheet duplicates payments made in the outgo sheet. Sorry, i don't have a template that i can share, of the spreadsheet. ### The template of the write document is based upon a template I came across several years ago, and modified to my needs. I don't know where I found it, nor who made the template I modelled mine after. I've linked 1 file to this email: * TK-business-form.odt (69.9 kB) hosted on Box: https://app.box.com/s/p37iuvoj5hzz4mkauy75nf174c4u7w86 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] invoicing systems using Calc (or something else)
On 31/03/15 02:03, Tom Davies wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_accounting_software I really hate pointing people at Wikipedia, and not only because it has repeatedly stated that it does not concern itself about objective accuracy nor with factual data, but only concerns itself with that which the editors wish was true, despite all the evidence that proves their wishes to be completely discongruent with both the scientific evidence, and objective reality. The only names i recognised were GnuCash and HomeBank; One of the big issues with FLOSS accounting packages, is that they are either nothing more than digital check-book reconciliation programs, or else require somebody who is both a CPA, and knowledgeable programmer to install, and maintain. Despite the plethora of accounting packages for the FLOSS world, there is nothing that even comes close to matching QuickBooks in either the ease of setting up the program, or the ease with which non-accountants can do their own books _accurately_. When LedgerSMB forked from SQL-Ledger, I was hoping one of the improvements would be to provide out-of-the-box packages that would have the capabilities and functionality of Peachtree Accounting, with the premade books for: * SOHO; * Self Employed Professional; * Small Manufacturing; * Non-profit; * Retail store; Unfortunately, that was not to be the case. I've also given on Apache OpenForBusiness, and the other FLOSS projects from providing similar OOTB packages for use as accounting solutions. to do really basic bookkeeping for quite a lot of clients. That sort of approach might well turn out to be well worth the cost and would probably be a lot lower than than whatever your accountant charges per hour for your In the United States, most accountants simply tell their clients to use QuickBooks, or else provide their data in a format that QuickBooks can read/write/edit. It isn't that QuickBooks is great about GAAP conformity, (it violates more core GAAP requirements than anybody really wants to acknowledge) but rather it makes it easier to put data in the right place, than in the wrong place. It also does some things that make it fairly easy for accountants to see where data was erroneously placed, and make the appropriate corrections. (It will not pick up wilful fraud, and deceptive practices, but it picks up the accidental stuff that non-accountants do.) It might be worth asking her/him to give you an estimate of how much they think they would charge, just to get an idea. +1 Sage 50 FWIW, that started out as Peachtree professional, rebranded with Sage livery. It is Sage's low end competitor to QuickBooks. ### For potential partial solutions within the LibO ecology, I found: Leeno: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/leeno-alias-ultimus Invoice Database: http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center/invoice-database Abrechnungsformular Wohnungsvermietung 2014.1 http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center/abrechnungsformular-wohnungsvermietung Simple Service Invoice http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center/simple-service-invoice-1 There is an entire category of Accounting Templates at http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center?getCategories=AccountinggetCompatibility=any I didn't look at everything there, but I did notice a couple of templates that either have had no releases, or else the option to download them has been removed. For potential partial solutions within the AOo ecology, I found: Family Accounting: http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/family-accounting OFX2Calc http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/ofx2calc OpenOffice Accounting 3.0: http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/openoffice-accounting-30-0 There is a category of Business Finance templates at http://templates.openoffice.org/en/search?sort_by=createdsort_order=DESCf[0]=field_template_category%3A14f[1]=field_template_category%3A16 I didn't look at everything there, but at least one is nothing more than a Microsoft Excel file saved in ODF format. It should perhaps not be necessary to say, but I neither downloaded, nor tested anything listed there. How suitable any of them is, can only be determined by testing. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font versus Character Substitution
On 24/03/15 03:40, CVAlkan wrote: -- Where did you get that order of precedence? Experience. I first stumbled across it, when either « ʼn » or « ŋ » was coming up wrong. Took some examination of the fonts I had, to figure out what was happening. One day, when I was feeling extremely venturous, I looked, to no avail, through the source code, trying to determine where it looked for the writing system. That's why I wanted to confirm that LO ignored its own precedence on Linux systems. FWIW, On extremely rare occasions, it does the same thing. I think it might be related to glyphs in the private part of Unicode. If that's the case, it's another path for inconsistencies in documents to appear. +1 Well, I sort of agree, but my opinion is that you have to have a good set of formatting primitives (can't think of a better word for this) before you can build styles --- Styles in that view being a way to insure consistent use of an identical grouping of primitives. +1 Also need to add a couple of more formatting primitives. (Rotate base line 90 degrees, Rotate base line 270 degrees, Rotate base line 180 degrees, Boustrophedon, Reverse Boustrophedon. I've forgotten the rest.) But my working assumption is that issues with writing systems will be fixed real soon now. Re: You can not get away with setting English, Arabic, and Korean in the same style ... etc. -- You're right, you can't RIGHT NOW. But I think we should redesign the interfaces to make that more transparent). We both know it CAN BE DONE although we accomplish it with different hacks First thing that is needed, is for LibO to provide an indication that the glyph is not found in the font used by the style, and a substitute is being used. Just realized that that could be done as an extension. It would need to check the list, character, paragraph, and cell files. The same issues crop up in multilingual spreadsheets, as in multilingual text. I don't know if it is an issue when using Base. Using Draw to create text documents has its own set of problems. (Text documents using Reverse Boustrophedon writing systems can only be created by using Draw. It is a toss up whether Write or Draw produces better looking text documents, for Boustrophedon writing systems. Either way, they are painful to create.) it's just that I think we shouldn't need to go through that. Because of the way the LibO code is written, language has to be declared in the style. Basically, this is so that grammar checking, spell-checking and related functions work as expected. For styles to consistently work as expected, I think that they have to be writing system dependent. At a minimum, that helps with the missing glyphs from the font issue. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Font versus Character Substitution
On 23/03/15 17:38, CVAlkan wrote: First Question: Is this still true in current versions? I _think_ so. Since that is the most heavily weighted attribute in the matching process, and since null is never equal to null, the matches returned are sometimes inappropriate. Sometimes? I'd suggest that the returns are always inappropriate. On the other hand, if we use a free Google font such as Droid Sans (which has no foundry property), we get into trouble. The scenario you describe is precisely why I have said since at least 2001, that the only way to ensure that the glyphs are right, is to use language specific styles. You can not get away with setting English, Arabic, and Korean in the same style, and have things show up correctly. That works if, and only if one uses a pan-Unicode font for all three languages and writing systems. If you want Arabic to display properly, then all three fonts in the style have to be the Arabic font. If you want Korean to display properly, then all three have to be set to the same font. This applies regardless of language writing system combination you are using. return the first font in which it locates the requested language. The order of precedence is Writing System, then specific glyphs, with a slight preference for the precomposed glyph, even if you originally did not use a precomposed glyph. FWIW, you need to turn both CJKV CTL on, regardless of what writing system is being used --- even if writing English. ( æ, and similar letter constructions require both CTL CJKV features.) Character styles were really not meant for this – that’s what selecting a font is supposed to do. Character styles fill in the holes that paragraph styles create. Also useful for one or two words in a different language, or the same language, but a different writing system. Has anyone given much thought to permitting finer-grained control of CTL font substitution IMNSHO, the optimal solution would be to have styles be both language and writing system dependent. – e.g. making the CTL font substitutions page similar to the Options | LibreOffice | Fonts page used for general font substitution of missing fonts. In other words, permitting multiple fonts to have substitutions defined? The bad workaround is to create a set of character styles, that have the correct font for each set of glyph(s), and then write a macro that basically changes each glyph in the document to that of the character style for the glyph. I apologize if this sounds like a rant; it's not intended to be But it bringing up some non-optimal things that have been around since LibreOffice 0.x was released. jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Font versus Character Substitution
On 23/03/15 20:46, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote: Also you can try to create your own styles for each language you are using. What was described happens even when when language-specific styles are used, but the font(s) associated with the style omits the required glyphs. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: E-mail Account Verification
On 17/03/15 19:25, Tom Davies wrote: Ahh, that is interesting. I thought it didn't exist and that was one of Back when DNS started, the register would not provide any of the three letter TLD, unless the applicant already at least two 2-letter TLDs. (A requirement that was usually honoured in the breach thereof.) One couldn't obtain example.us, but rather example.atlanta.ga.us. Personally, I thought that symphony.atlanta.ga.us would be both easier to remember, and less confusing than the monstrosity that they are using is. (AtlantaSymphony.org) For those who have ever had to locate the website of a religious organization in the united states, that example.city.state.us would be far more sane than the contortions that religious bodies utilize. But then, when there are forty churches named First Baptist Church within a twenty mile radius of the First Baptist Church that one is looking for, perhaps people don't mind the contortions that are required. Personally, I'd rather see FirstBaptistChurch.Decatur.GA.US FirstBaptistChurch.Atlanta.GA.US FirstBaptistChurch.PeachtreeCity.GA.US FirstBaptistChurch.Roswell.GA.US FirstBaptistChurch.StoneMountain.GA.US etc. than the current mess, that I'm not even going to bother looking up. Regretabbly, today, obtaining example.city.state.us is non-trivial, but obtaining example.us is fairly straightforward. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] exporting calc as csv but keeping ods form
On 13/03/15 15:52, Eric wrote: is there any way to export as csv but keep the original ods in calc?? macro? bit o'python? Have you tried the Multi-Save extension? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] When will LO have MS macro and function support?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/02/15 14:47, Tom Davies wrote: I've never heard of OpenOffice or LibreOffice macros being used as an attack vector At least one proof-of-concept extension was released. At least one document with an included proof-of-concept macro was released. The upside of those proof of concept items, is that the user had to deliberately click on something, for the payload to be delivered. However, several years ago there was an article in a language related to French, that implied that at least one malware attack vector using ODF file formats was in the wild. (This article was several years after the French ministry of Defence discussed security flaws in OOo, and was referring to then-current events.) One of the Snowdon Papers implied that OOo security flaws were being exploited, but it gave no details about what, where, or how it was being done. That said, if one works in area where spear-phishing is a daily yawn, the security model offered by OOo, and its derivatives, is harder to breach than that offered by MSO. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU2k1OAAoJEKG7hs8nSMR7SK4P/2L325ySLvZwvTi9tzH38M7f cQKeDivmaxxnkKrtBz4EW2Jrz745irpHmwbSPp5s7EJNhEaGwSuNEuy3RMR+gf0M Of4VdvQsHI74ndR0DkKakL7dh/Ki0cJUHR+agC8z+XB9+hU5Rq2RPtQ3fhvr9nyC ExPgB6Dy+0jYIIarYdPH/iJ3I1k6QROubp+CmZS1de0rEN9/EJdAxo7F9n2TDJ1d LmSBj0mwdzpTBKrwI6kXo4TAI6zvJ1FTls4J4PTu6+xeEZecjd3h5BfF/anAOHQv eC2YqPJdDQnUzu7EURp9i1/+w2cdTybGA/H2AZlAH6g0ZoVLCTeyzRrMC1gLj9hy xg5RCGwrJTIFNPzYXkrAmUF6yrzQwOXVIk7q77pz9KVpCokG5tgmFtH+4QPbyc5x v1Fn+0OyQbZ1UVUrh+YKwVoS+wA3LNWCIgRrkbf64rYQcoeI4URKRuTKF8iPEwqp u88QnLcytFDLI4KflQoH0f5s0TQEVlaSDgJU0hL2n7oZTJdu6hOPEB30Istok3KX 0aebWn5p/+rYPPwXigqmlxKJkr0jtJn1SrUDiSO9OwHv4AS57NvFjPW4S1g3a/6K cbVrEDj7pjCyQDayBlPquHdVynWYpi6DqoI4CXKI3sF+svGNuEgqe2HZOfW+c3jf fLKrJB2Lh92IauoQ4rzE =i6m+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibréOffice and PDFs (Again)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/02/15 16:43, V Stuart Foote wrote: Your unsupported version of LibreOffice 3.5.7 was release 5 Oct 2012 and is well past its end-of-life from the projects perspective. - From the perspective of a commercial enterprise, the EOL dates guarantee that LibO is not suitable. With thirteen months from feature freeze, to EOL, an organization doesn't have time to test, much less deploy new versions, before they are passed the EOL date. Which makes purchasing Tier 3 support mandatory. Good for the developers that offer that. Not so good when those costs are not included in either the transitional or ongoing support budget. US$40K/year is cheaper than a new hire, but that can be hard pill to swallow, if the software was proffered on the basis of being gratis. ### Somehow, I doubt that the City of Munich offers Tier 3 support to either private individuals, or corporations. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU2lJAAAoJEKG7hs8nSMR7oxQQAJh5jIBzgg0hAzzkQLbqbALT 9PPYDtANLW/CHhsI6Wt0SwrirZL0VdmeUilHIP9nrBLp8tUjNBHUaBuv/UwKKdV6 nYB2Fl3ra6xfx61aU3Ku8avH5UYdXKGsM51mAwAw/SedZxENo4DEsVsZsIhA9/3I 5UVezvM9k/es2743hKSKv6qrKwxLGNYqKR9S6LePwEuk8IKN0ruHizoEFi6m8xm/ EJyl19JgIXGXSo0OBV94VLrgPMFKkMmp6c3Z5jQNUKmi4PPHcLcWMUbhIsbVEv6h UFsVAUSqs4KFIe1+Bs1wyg6TYZpg1p5geG6zZIZJ8r4vKN7as73pQGd+jpkcumkC InQTgeTm8r/kPo5wbdNRisPeCF5PfNUZF7CXylIOKJ7/lf2XspDYvXk+Ajc6eEpg zLR5g0wGiu6DuvEIXkIL91bC6ERwNNlIRWFiMlRbwPGrKT+dgFIB7GMlTCn4UeJu FUAdPbdZq9raH5FldwCbDD1wGkqROiGbI3QHZpKJYBhouJe0XYiCQQEcdDvHB+zE rXTrjfGutKP6HtrA8aKRBPsN7sFCTKn4nWCmQPsgUVn8akJnq4CMq5vHKnaQiOcb FEypQGX19+hbL6meNTK64pFUIPD20ckSWfnuJS7jrfl784HOCveJa3A6TcV7BwdM 8ri0xKnjB/GM6WFrXT/R =JM0F -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] When will LO have MS macro and function support?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/02/15 18:44, Thisis theone wrote: When will LibreOffice have 100% MS macro and function support? Given that LibO currently has support for half a dozen programming languages that can be used to write extensions, I doubt it will ever be implemented. _IF_ good coding practices were adhered to, when the macro was written, and updated, then rewriting them in a language that LibO supports is trivial. OTOH, assuming the code is like 99.% of the code found in MSO macros, it not only is undocumented, but a mess of spaghetti, of the type that Richard Conway condemned back in 1978. In the latter instance, the only migration path is to start with the requirements, as _currently_ used, and go from there. jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); the original macro requirements, and work from there. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU2acuAAoJEKG7hs8nSMR7lUIP/j+6ROzlPdUxgvgTHfosWMEx 19sMogHSaJwlmwF5tyoju35QNJIWIqC7r8mYzhLC7deZ65b+U5JuNEiBtz/EkBB/ gDwjRJzGqHV+CWaxG8BaeOgqscK5zzkM4fEV+s6ORvlSLLnw725tLginxr7UZo/z QYWe6YMIAfp+AagG7CSPqRCiPfbG2RY4cKr68EtXk+vDdQ0qjFjT4YzSghuIn4fK pr+Y+H87raoiQPVdutWc+MgFxwat/obgM8bSV0HZjEoixwgBTsz4e/qPw0tcOjw3 q4vyEPRYYx5lw8HivHKtUWMAF0xSTP47n8LTieJARqmFRxzao8d2x69JVdNRpmb4 a04BuNSpz3DmWUm6BfLQ3FkTz+SzBuI9n6/Ttf/93deWOSD6hfpOp1aN5ta0DJBG 0AIQ4sbYqmRBgDAspjBS9ItOOtywcKJRI6HVQP/Tmq+eF/D8FmxVDGswuYBW9jBs MLDTpIYyrqZJRAsZbHZhmoJfVnA+pjc4w9vM2ZrVH4pSWtQ5JT7oiiTKCB2vN0rm D2WjrUDS5NdCwiubfNruLlDCOPeOOHANdH2WMA+UtbFiaWzYbzFLNbmLwvOTyFZx kxIkX+koK+1kCjRHvL21wIsJcNlfJZaYv7cD8KsWF3wmZzjGiA7I6VoSKOjW4X+0 WtSD9QLOU+pwEiMLYbe0 =g6Ss -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LinuxQuestions.org's Office Suite of the Year: LibreOffice!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/02/15 09:09, Paul wrote: Surely running MSO under Wine on Linux is a valid choice? Not one I would choose, for sure, but a choice that should be on the poll none the less? The idea is to highlight _Linux_ software. By allowing _use x under WINE_ as an option_, the poll then becomes a contest about the non-native software. That would also mandate including programs whose developers have promised will never be released as native *Nix software. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU1TlBAAoJEKG7hs8nSMR77rIP/0WDc8UHmZVZrLL7hFa6W8iv XOzM2eoGOU84Z+yaE1z5JWURFsmyTp8iBfudoeJgrbf2j75Q2sPHXlfLyioRNK1o oTL6Htqw9bPUXbXbtuuf2LeIXFjhk5haKh3dpTWHuSNEums1pzA06pNrvZLjgeWx 0xuTObBkRfd+hp4CTeMG1Bc/22O13ZU1JzVIeZhFtPYZku4BGactDm0eN5iKUAkI 9p6RCQttDNlRbfXzL1bCg1wIvQHvYamQNfmY80d4RuSqvKqD3k0Q03wei8EQKK/Q g6WQm07/JgVugxP9BUKA0Ttz5HrMY+pYW2MlWNk9BzHgFdGon6sO6IYL2luOoqXv hN9SGKUFtDFIJwcAN8k+uyUVZWN7YP9YKvJkT7Z4hWATN6dO+6aiDSpn4v2Ypzut E7wY2yyWnmwbShZcoCdfJRvzaG5OftnxH72j1a+AZs8sth5c28bLXEtM7cBLQyy/ NPeCsXq5zO1bJFeeEH5K4ozMEdKbW2R+uv2elCp9qY+5eBaY95CvamUe7ePKEZH4 1URZMEsbOy71Ly3wXcgo8MRizS6WSepQnJHS1pYcZHmP2S1bAuTxN4hV39BXCxad eYvLK+291LTQnp0yOjT+y9Fe3+t9AUqMbD8EnsBs/HnX8kHXirCM9xW90rluED6N VqoLlsHFNdoJp5bz1u73 =L38J -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Split Screen in Writer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/02/15 08:10, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 01/02/2015 20:06, CVAlkan a écrit : Not quite the same thing, but a long time ago, and only for a little while, there was a tabbed document interface code branch/extension developed as part of a GSoC for OOo, but it was never integrated into the main code tree. Didn't that get made into an extension? Or a beta release? Asking, because I remember using tabs on OOo, but have no idea when that was, or what I did to accomplish it. All I remember is that the user experience was worse than using ALTTAB to switch between documents. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU0DLVAAoJEKG7hs8nSMR7foIP/R9U/pUhTA8Kg9/BuL234c4v OcNR84546BZY6q51TAXvOr5EdabwC66Mu68d//ygq8HhT3xcO1a9dhAPV7QF0wWn RvSgIMkhA+h1QdAgVl9iqPpZGoPt/K8OCn2b0KspfYRh9zTyE8a5rQw253QEnphz mXC9OgzsSYuxyc/Fe05LV49W+iOv4vqMJ6ohUrBrOZFSP7LfXViG89hQZ5O5+vIh 0nRhxNYg7uS4+BH2vcQbbLLydpXOKPBw8MzRIfp3L+OVvc5BDpbfnEOt10sRwSsF Mwp6cV5Q7uXr6zzm3WYm+x75mWfR9k1lKNWFgHeoEHrV95/WLC6QQrmSvZZmMNzp 52mC49917tntPVZunuDx8RgjMgZorCwZrGKZtnkRhI3RibrKzJlZyvrahx+lyunp RYt0HtMGWS5SmZM1XbLL7jty2X8colS0JrLJ/XW5TqXY9RZR+K9fsI1T9a2ljnXT x12ToNNsYM27QruqpiRibye4q5GcoW1Xc0gdkSYphbTrB3tzcQGt2PyL5XAeBbIm LSFEFc5SBEipS3gXbShUOiKqw7T3Zv9XQ5/Do7rkMVHuYTtTtXEoc2bRMxEL5FrR P2ovCsu6Wgv1pkxpOitzswW3IQITFch1oaUmgG6L1KBKY0rRXNAwL2qowmf5lnXI kZ0zFkGRjoML1UnOQzxJ =8li6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/01/15 08:34, Philip Jordan wrote: In some answer to Jonathan's Windows 8.1 queries I'm not really competent to answer them BUT IF you don't know which edition of Win8.1 nor which localization of Win 8.1 you are using, then who does know? i.e. with presumably uptodate Software Up-to-date does not mean that the crippleware that Microsoft is intent on inflicting upon people was not installed on your laptop. My guess is that one of the crippleware versions of Win 8.1 was installed, and your options are: * Purchase a non-crippled version of Win 8.1, and either install yourself, or pay the dealer to install it; * Either install, or pay the dealer to install a Linux or BSD distro; * Live the fact that you have a crippled version of Windows, and that every time you want to do something with software that requires more sophistication that a three year old, you'll have major problems; jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUyml1AAoJEKG7hs8nSMR7dkQP+gPosZmiTuq7P0Dc9r7HyhkY HZ6y6j9OmukNmueBYvRi4A+enc6QavyyaquDH2PgAeGIu7a5bGpYnhx2LtK9kow/ J92+y38eAurCqGzZfQ2X9w/17loqmtU5/BZdsvofwh8jNk/mPvDuxec10QK6DV/Y I2b4IzhZtVnxsLXSmf/OEsYSFlgqd/GgLihDcmHhEcmtDztCspR/xlqqv67VHCRh in1A4ZphJ03+DaLLctRL6+8Wtq0e/rieMclOp6Hr3MNHMqYUBE6G0e0XyYQOM2KI 2CUwU3wQw9Jau0JaRZMCh8TkBML3JLvhvMYWG/so25NEtaqDea6t4OB00K87tarl 9o0F1HvR0i/xEdOjVrlhWzs5Tj4iHb0QJHjpIIxC235J1Qu3NsvWjiApKl3H68/b dt34662XdzVqgeD1N5yGMqYHMQU5A11eV2sonMEw57Uaj8I0HwC1vYjI6GzcI9GK RPBLzP67zmrbTYdiqj8Z119BeY3mzdbEWMJDZ6bnXysCohWMyTOxNqesFvkTyj63 sVOIwZbrHmLAK+8ePkZ6GyxqtwXPqSjWacsbXIicDHW8E9LVUlLYkwLoCcf6tdZ2 jalNhinwfsnoloEiwtX8Ca1zO5Blwanz5C1h60RdvFCk/CD0UAiRj9kz+I6E8IIJ c4P24IGFPcza3ONxYQtE =HIHW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29/01/15 17:14, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Err there AREN'T any crippleware versions of Windows 8.1 Microsoft doesn't talk about it much, but even they inadvertently called one of those editions crippled. They usually use a much more marketspeak friendly term. Their only virtue is that, in theory, malware won't run, because of the restrictions that cripple the os. The practice is probably different. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUyqY5AAoJEKG7hs8nSMR7zCUP/i2uDse8UQBAvIcBH8eI6zJ0 yEZiaDM6eb3Z8ToMPvZ0/3A+uEJHhAzvASoAL6+zKcOYQ7THUHHjwtuDPuTzIhqz bx2PhPIvK5l3EgyXLvOvcCKZRRL9leGsJ/sdywqUFwnzciodNOEyJR5xL47hknrj KwmidLJRV0QmxDk3CfakD2IUZlBUcL04KsL6KTB+3DkNeNfufiNpRqxcJa3nCCdv im3X7ohrwEXimLkHmKR9GPNOgieH4JLLKCE6EoVa1tzxXPkdB+Av/DygZXkowik7 Wg19GrWIB8+zXkABZrdSdHM3aJNNJ/OrrMKccS15JajQCzLVyl89qeIOdCUnSqAM nlmB8oDyf0Fhg/iK5ol9qSiwqPh0sQHt4FXMZhv0xOmcZJHtLSFtjR4q7f5AnS15 bCCIuPyDqCsMRuPvgoo8GcNvpK7jvnINGgZfg944Az25TkJ3JFJt3aGuKv9AGoOj oKqPXoXKH1Y07xKPjr8/wHl1Ty2Wf5XYUPgjw4zCXNaBcr/QmgUodHN535HRih3X zUSqcFta5p2oCVsJCpQtQFZ3zTBdR01lO+W7RmOlNmXIiAgpmBq5fYfzXfLu3Yca GQjXv42YxF632n5lK/17LapS0IALhI8i6LTi8FI4YlAkSXYNwOKsMidsOFRgxjCO VSbOuhejTTEC5M3oM55o =qBtZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Message as sent yesterday
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28/01/15 15:49, Philip Jordan wrote: I'm using an almost new Toshiba Laptop with Windows 8.1 What edition of Windows 8.1 are you using? What localization of Windows 8.1 are you using? jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUyVEMAAoJEKG7hs8nSMR72dEP/13kd0oDMCBOhounWNn6r2lv j26v8zK6uhoowPuce9Kpebeuop6UJEU0H+10F4/yjht7+LfeJ7eBduX81KXflgI6 fyiD7zB+qvDqaGjX84nm0exogMz7M1dL5Bxkx0Rxzu5bL8XKpu9Kf4PzZa4AElVi 7G5/zUylg2mGL/yW3l+RVqJC1KqLdA8kyRiB4MRz3qCtcPPiVxiKkMBkSVP9t93i J2Yvlq1P4FylFRX4VF8xRwv9PQzzVKLy2Uzp0/YKppRj83HnUmNDUgN294DpEaD8 P90Haoy0ZDunK3rgLm/Z99PMuKxP7ZyGPtLXTZNNabVOlZ137gpH2CZArNMF6iOZ gJA+vaYlSlf0kmPs3da1RshnMNq7d7QL5MZGNZtslCniON2u5duaK3FFc4GlqAk/ rvauCmBCWTVNJdVQBtk4ZhMPsSwLv3CEubt6lrqa2FEvoIRFw0IQI6txka04IjVP 9XmNK1gK7y+ark+Ml8NnyLEhLHU65u6Xuo2XfG4kdizY8eyRTeH8rV6t91eK/+oG XxCDvL4ZgFIQroY/fRnEurheZYU7YWi/BqkdM7GoTzeOLZGedTOThqfeN4qQ77Ap uqajqCDpFE4dBSHP5anp6G9bT4HqcVllRx6CaJ+ZH9AvpRv7NoFtbqyCWjS+diGq pIO7PK8K8Rb4az5vz9/N =ElQX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Shouldn't it be more secure to by default disable macro support in LibreOffice?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/01/15 14:04, Thisis theone wrote: We think macros and other rarely used, but high risk features should be DISABLED BY DEFAULT in LibreOffice. Since I don't do windows ^1, I can't confirm the statement in the original article that MSO ships with Macros disabled by default. If that is the case, then changing the defaults in LibO/AOo/EO/NO/etc won't make a difference, because the user will enable the macro to run, if only for the specific document. Tom Davis wrote: So we tend to find the LO and AOO simply don't have as many vulnerabilities and problems. Because LibO, AOo, EO run on various platforms, I suspect that, as a malware vector, they are less vulnerable than MSO on Windows. By way of example, I can't use JabBib on my laptop, because the version in the official distro repository is incompatible with the specific setup of my laptop. There are two or three other programs I'd like to install, but have similar issues. If I had the drive space, I could install the tool chain required to compile the programs from source code. The apparent increase is insecurity that support for the number of macro languages that LibO AOo brings, is nullified by the macro writer not knowing what components of that language are available on the target machine. It's difficult for anyone to find any flaws that can be exploited by writing some nasty macro. At least one proof of concept nasty macro was publicly released for OOo. I've seen a couple of posts, and articles, that imply that there are some OOo/LibO/AOo ^2 specific macros in the wild, but nothing that can be confirmed. ### ^1: The last time I used MSO on Windows, it took 90 seconds from starting MSO to seeing the Blue Screen of Death. That was with the then current version of MSO on Windows 7. ^2 I don't recall any mention of EuroOffice, NeoOffice, or Android OpenOffice in those articles: * NeoOffice, running exclusively on Mac OS X, can easily accommodate malware that relies on the standard Mac OS X configuration; * Android OpenOffice can easily accommodate malware that targets the Android Operating System; jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUxDFCAAoJEKG7hs8nSMR7+T4QAJB9yBIOl+SWUXey7dwRuIoZ CBdMJXqyB6Uyo1drRTp4sPFBTqOmu+KQYUAQUqLBGBGChCNjTe6tgGzRfd4MBGJQ IVyUrdDDbF46M06Clmn0CQB7CMI0wlDXhFdVnXA2ke7DLSFw51qTD7Bpt9PNm6rT mzIgiRGB58SHrdi4unYWFdrj72VlRpxtNJxo0bRFo7yNG5JkPIsHoNllR9H8+fgb HsAQPXQPKcR7YPQv/gp/iZqe8/aIlMPi+dR7SWl2itRC0h8PHmGMhDKgzlMUs5ph BPGcy3soKCqOxlP4w4q8LfsxHqBXkdN2T/mjSOYxNEx97s7KxtHRR5HrYj/Lyh+s YhhGVB61xCkFYYJnrs5aPu81FIiF5P5t1bkeU7krjbzVhHe4SjH095/WBGgpgpHJ yP8XTI2nACoXRduabWoxOIxTXDAZ9CeqSACs6Fz7aTY2qkgjQU9a473Zf/tQRM1f /p6nxIp4f5KfEJUY/lPva7sStmnng2BdfFVZXFFrTyfIYNp6V3XibT/WG+CXdjz4 BNxVtvQgP3dqJaBeQKk8JVt9bKfnwhzWIi4h3u2Elezdcnx9itvrKNLFQJgJdh6J geukPsIEcSGfYXa8/F9R7kl64fOLuHll8h+NiNG480orFR/IdlKGfFsJDEpQnxnT vi5Hl0n7beJ2CXB3Dne1 =hclh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/01/15 11:16, Brian Barker wrote: So you mean that you give them the information that you are prepared to be dishonest? Some sites that request that information, have a note buried somewhere that they _expect_ people to give inaccurate answers. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUuuvFAAoJEE1PKy9+kxpl4CYQAIkNj8QvwHNBYBQJytFMlCFq qCs1FXPYHMQMJJRljZmeiqMBVosk+d6ifxOMrJVcuu5S6zK6iZ6ZJAvQ1t+SPB3F 6iqDKCAJR6RsnT+Uo6e3kxlppC7EXLlNoeZ8HYOmjXm/dIX36VKm1XEokZTIAvgr hC+fZLYPJhjtNkfzj/ucN4lO/MO+IDnHDp08BRYjAz3bZMhlxH3CU7lLUpSeSzmj O0Jp7Ty/OS0tEXEgd+KbHMGeg4EiZOKbbvC/SPdlZL4hK6xrmQ3vL2kqRCmNl5qG 0IKMNEU1QXqhDiLNAZWStU5izEs1TymTDCKLr8kNrzsiIF6PfvBEd1Zs5ANGC4zS tuy0QU5BO81/ooXu5WS9o4U85NiT5qDpS03Y0SGvH8aWBHQlqd8ijrdLKrcF8+pE ZC0seu3TkVUYqLuF7glD4O+VzQhBICyvgJCMO00GFmlohiREh5JuOjOk3m5SLYQy KH/f1EsEZfGnDOFV8V1mk0N6MCWMCwOorBDmpktz4mSdWaja/W/rjTLaTPU4QmJs mGetz+O1lE7oLQemDx0zoFGrP/G8+qj1f7CN3HboxFIwJsWCG8ZTQTl/Nqfv1x5N lB85M6Z2EOCFZO1eXaBPafmri4r6f2IAzWffu/Y7ILYAA43Gm7y4nQVfvjcFMYZC Qs/J1/pYyes0MFufvjJe =9RBa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/01/15 13:27, Alan B wrote: I'm not familiar with a forum like that (esp the no registration, no passwords part). I've come across a couple of forums that meet those two specifications. They either are spam havens, of the moderators work 7/24/365 approving messages that are posted to them. Either way, I don't see that as a viable option for LibO support. ### What I think is needed, though I am not sure how to implement it, is: # Supplementary Documentation: * PDFs that contain solutions to specific, frequently encountered issues; * PDFs that are Basic user guides. The Documentation Team currently provides this type of documentation. # Core Documentation: * A comprehensive wiki that covers every detail of every aspect of LibO, in excruciating detail. @ There is a page that documents what each line in the source code does; @ There is a page that explains why each variable in the source code is used; @ There is a page that explains what each function in the source code is supposed to do; @ There is a page that addresses each bug filed in bugzilla; @ There is a page that provides an answer for each question posted to the AOo, LibO, and OOo mailing lists; @ There is a page for each question posted to FaceBook, Twitter, Google +, etc; @ Each article contains between 2,000 and 5,000 words; @ Each article has pointers to articles that cover specific items within the article, in greater depth; @ Each article has pointers to articles for which this article is of greater depth. Reverse-pointers, if you will. * A set of PDFs that contain the same data as the wiki, but compiled as if it is a book on the general (specific) topic; This is the hard set to write. In theory, the current documentation team could do it, but it lacks the person-power to do so. The end result is at least 10^8 pages in English, with an equivalent number for every language that LibO supports. As a practical matter, everything in the supplementary documentation should also be in the core documentation. The major difference being that the the supplementary documentation is independently written, and, if appropriate, that content is ported to the wiki, rather than from the wiki. The secondary content is original, constructed with minimal referencing of the wiki. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUuwPxAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplolsP/jgkNGdHHfG6kzrz02N02Ciq aULyWmSM4z8YxiRcAdYshAoFDUiagrOvt6INUGul8USEEroMfYIGX4+EdV2dfAiu YqBj1mmhAm31VgAqLUOB8bXqkWItB1Qlc8yHqtTGyVlOSL9kY443oQsBngL0mQub 9yQa6hZT7Aeypwuu0uDDrPwtFeA/bzW+W5FozktxtssGVGwQ6tD4zS4HiLKOPijc Xbw+liFqe/Zr2t7DlHYT0hmDJHYMmCS6ELynEgtdJpO9A9DVgj5aWG43IwKEv8yn pTOmFZiDK2uSo5qu07J8ozWo3aYp2E8ebPACcyPczSAHnczPp5+uRZtNMibjjMEQ Tn12VBMSGC8v4KmIOciKjLZle1qWYyLMvgZio8gdGOEfVFKWjg9b0OEB7+FFwckF X29og83fUQQNjx5xr7MF2KEQZhAw5sQwq5QmpjThsBwC1BcLnDq4WtIR+Zq/hwWN ijVpBMBBk3srf6vxQYS3qQ56UBOegal9iY8sWMTieZqiwS1sPu8OukYCYRXjHPhx tJ43Wq/FS+59rsZM6ihJKs+VfUKpa4SFuUX+p8GGyQzZBIbsPFyL05RSF+ULE5Zi XFc1CvwBE4rtO4BTJXHASgC6/b+YiEtgSuwxVaKMNEPN0vFjMl92OVov4hWtd7pK 2JA5Wb334dXr2qtb3cRt =+D+l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/15 21:49, dave boland wrote: Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? What do you consider to be _easy_ and _convenient_? that new groups are considered old fashioned, but they work very well, If new groups is a typo for newsgroups, then gmane.org is what you are looking for. If new groups means something else, then clarify what is meant. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUtzaLAAoJEE1PKy9+kxpl5kwP/jOTOzVczYRReVrYeg/O0sOs rJZmKtB9VSqPJqZi4Cw2nCuQbRrzf1FLHaSx9/BWsk/7PG21zEbkqLxghmXP2ak7 y8O4fnm8Uq9QwyA5ggEuZldjEKEMOXebkJA7PPzRgqxbPmZEWeGv7NhHYTwoDwrP G8tFxsvMPTAowzDf7huvf4vI2saYHP6CSVUlnmZNovByYFX4Yyr8uqBFkKMDk54P FXqrQ0SgiPwrdWATkkQOX5/IHhqDzN0Pn9Rg6RnSXhAgt1oyHwytqbZXNYDBRZmi h3RgJTXMB+nOvxtVtH2zZpOA51yuffnUK1yJtRJLY9lo2mqtQPqMeefJOugUiyLU TQha1TZ1nNTYSwiRJGvDvte314ta7FlHQplWMQvDAYMlX/z1xao4HUL8HEKu0MNe jg84qzGctyX2b+QjnrRYVypRfk3o4E2Y+5iU8kWJ6irKBRk+ameFW8PBM3U0nJzg MR3MIr4KKVf9ool7WWqKD1BlxC0rJncglSRV48xjh8ip/2Fiavus6uTuZBe0NHNu KbZ7NP6HXLBCh9sol0ODAqCKDuJPbi+6q0FHpwq3v4CLp0t10ZuP+7afnrCxKmA+ wKadh1V5jcqVeBrpuEc5FmPswqfEI7ij4v+gz/TD0fjRxJ8RCp4bgDn8nb/WoOoC q8/LXbrZ3J5JWmsShxGv =errp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What is the current best ODF editing Android Package?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/01/15 09:04, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: So, what is the current best ODF editing package for Android? Install both the EU and AnOO packages. I want to be able to just take my tablet along, instead of my laptop, to certain meetings and gatherings. So that will require a WORKING text editing package that hopefully will read/write the ODT file format and maybe the spreadsheet format as well. The best ODF editing package on the market does not meet your requirements. Root your tablet, install Debian Wheezy, and you have a fighting chance of running an ODF editing package that meets your requirements. If you aren't willing to root your tablet then it is a tossup between EuroOffice, and AndroOpenOffice. I've got both installed. Both programs have their virtues. Both have their vices. * Navigation is easier with AnOO than EU * AnOO opens more files than EU; * EO crashes less than AnOO; * They are both equal opportunity presentation markup destroyers; * EU is more secure than AnOO; If all you are doing is taking notes, use TextWarrior, or another text editor. It is much easier to reformat those notes in LibO, than fixing the mess that both EO and AnOO make of documents. ### The current version of WPS Mobile Office FKA Kingsoft Office does _NOT_ support ODF file formats. jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUtnKzAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplVx4QALa5mnj/PiiuROUmQmrDRpyW f9QFlnZy7YhSExPL2fljU0PlOf9o+0d0jLVl4fIKNyPpMi/vu/gcH79RGpHmfETl 2jCHfP2TYP5IgL5RviAgQgheqTls2GvLjBkPVFx8XHmwT9gf9d37ZaEwSbgUmZyf suYVux4SYQY2GDg915+/Lg7K+mcyE/MChVLAIxK2aJ04MXg3UJFvCCjDXbBMsK1A DgM7tZHYqaXoAO7qAi9kMsuhFDTvtiXWMcAqawaJ8fA2drMfx5XIqsNXbYc5Tne1 8ZPg5m4+cRVenCdtE4Tc6DZfBTq8J9cJROHqoYjGxVVxyM4WDPd1C/RjhQ1eOJA+ rg3TP3S9iSdNAC/TkaNSQO+WJXru5JqCM8whgOdqnJ1LHfHR3eV/nStWi4dC0I0m kEwA1uw4fX+ApwkC+MWAAkFr7dXi08mhBY/BSSA0xt7camldxipt0O+30fMNiTlW 1JfF/bKGEHAEIovlybaxljmsSA2SB/Vzy4Hs1pW0RkIUJaBI/kCFlxzixivcr9Xz rt/AzH+yW8VbPngzuL2pDMNOApvFo9+kB88304zT6/uWYKw4fIIyXriOO78WIAWf V+6lkVBs9ANdAUYzDgR+bBz+diwRhBpx44PebM0eADUX0P1Hv1vlNYLAUFkbfoIU tfB5zD1jnqggRfFmx1qh =3XoV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Security check and 2 questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/01/15 17:01, ginger lines wrote: I downloaded openoffice from openoffice.org last night and got each next tab during installation took me to a new ap or extension which I didnt’ want. Sourceforge, which is where Apache OpenOffice is distributed from, is notorious for offering additional software, to the point that people can, and do end up not downloading the program that they intended. All of this is in the name of advertising dollars, which is how Sourceforge generates revenue. I even removed Silverlight because I was scared of everything then. SilverLight and security are mutually incompatible. Just please reassure me I will get ample warnings and explanations of any extras. With a good selection of anti-malware tools installed, you will receive ample warnings, and explanations. However, the most reliable way to ensure that malware is not installed in the first place, is for the computer to not be connected to any other computers. Do all required data transfers via CD/DVD. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUr/mCAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplmfUP/i3ACQSK0EFwxPOgiLeS8XXI Dvygj5XssmDw8AyITIkMQ51UmouMICQS+MU8Kaanfxh3VWXyAiT2AmBvpuqg5LqU YpSiD0zdPEfUb8UrYKE2Cb4n3rRmD24SGEsLhs4ql73zXyEwJiPGgZ+udyN+mqqg 1OJSjB5KkzTaChxz3Zb5Kr9jwOy4WGLEbDCVn3/tA5GEcXGtRmGXDI7TImr8vpuy sHa9hTBm6WHXnY7nxje+BKsVmeNSxydT9nI7/FQfCuHQr1FkgdIMkvkgOYdHrGbQ DW4FVO8vYquVuBtoTYj78V88LIOz/BVu93ZyNzDKM/yg+ne5b4v5a05eJ5uHmFOV QuG222N2vCwkwt8Fn+aKX0S0helSj6VBgE8HyQ1u7FElkqBg0Fivu50W3lDX0caV tjMnehYFyO3qdLrzJg4Tj8g202V7/l3K9Bcu7y1UOs6MiuZZ93kTb6mlFO8LufKn APu/8LeycK1R+cSXuoGQwEGbrV//PeNnIlZGYQpTUkZPmOsAOALM3Kh2F6k4dN57 LoSIFjh+jGh8l7lCvnG21w23hBvFlhhndXJ76AwzT57U8JQowzym+Lv7LcIwGzTR oJqQHwcDXwcoyyfAHqs9gbA5smKhx//YyVGB5dGizNv9EFqfsTENcyMYoaPRaBWn 3X9YH4v+zV7D3xb7YPvS =0vcc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Creating a dictionary with libreoffice from a simple TXT-file
On 25/12/14 04:55, Constantine wrote: How can I avoid that? The semicolon or tab should be before the number and the parenthesis. It looks like the match is occurring on glyphs that utilize the Latin writing system, before you get to German text. Please tell me this last thing, I really don't know how to. I'm assuming this is still a text file. Segregate the material into two files. GREP probably is the easiest tool to use. File one is words that contain the left hand parenthesis. File two is words that do not contain the left hand parenthesis. For the second file, use the regex that you were using. For the first file, do the search on the left hand parenthesis. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-website] Product support question please!
On 21/12/14 12:19, Mark Morin wrote: why are you not using Impress? The original poster seems intent on using the wrong tool, to achieve the wrong outcome, for the wrong reason. * The output must be in HTML. Thus, they want to use Write. What they don't appear to know, is that the HTML produced by Write does not conform to any known standard. Consequently, the odds are that whatever is used to render it, will not display the way the creator intended it to display. (The OP claims that HTML is the only file format that the recipients are assured of being able to view.) * The content is to be emailed to people. HTML is large, even before images, audio, and video is embedded in it. (At one point the OP implied that there were wanting a video in the document.) * This is a business plan. For business plans, autoplay is always a fail. Both Impress and Write enable audio and video content to be embedded, that is started by the user. IE: non-autoplay. If the intended audio, or video content is meant as a demo, then it also needs to be submitted as an auxiliary to the business plan. # I do know of one reason why autoplay of audio in a write document is required. I consider that usage to be immoral, unethical, and in most jurisdictions, a violation of the law of the land. Has LibO, and all of the libraries, and other things it calls, been vetted for: * string overflow conditions; * race conditions; This includes anything that LibO might call to play audio files, video files, images, and graphics. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc on a Form
On 20/12/14 13:37, Dave Asaibene wrote: What I am trying to do is have the number of days between two dates on the Form. Can you rephrase this part of the question. I'm not sure if you want the number of days on the spreadsheet, or the database, or somewhere else. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LOBase connected to SQLite3
On 16/12/14 13:21, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: My question is: is it possible to connect LOBase to SQLite3? As a starting point, take a look at: http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/HOW_TO/data_source/SQLite.pdf And a project that looks defunct: http://www.openoffice.org/dba/drivers/sqlite/index.html jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Twitter] Opening a new user support channel
On 10/12/14 15:27, Dave Boland wrote: May I ask what is wrong with a traditional news group? For an individual looking for interactive support on the Internet, their preferred means of support depends upon how they discovered the Internet: * if using *Nix, it is newsgroups; * if with another CLI, it is email; * if with a GUI, it is web forums; * if with a mobile device, it is social networking sites; Interactive support supplements, and is supplement by: * hard copy documentation; * PDFs/eBooks of the hard copy documentation; * Comprehensive wikis; * PDFs/eBooks of the wiki; Currently, Libreoffice support is available for: * Newsgroups: GMane; * email: users@Global.LibreOffice.org et al; * Web forums: LibreOfficeForum.org; * Social Networking: Twitter, Facebook, Google +, etc; * Hard copy documentation; * PDF / ePub of the hard copy documentation; * https://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page; * Ready made PDFs of the help.libreoffice.org are not available; I'm not convinced that the depth of the documentation --- online, eBook, Hard copy --- is at the point that social network support will be better than barely adequate. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Document Page Numbering Problems
On 06/12/14 12:38, Brian Barker wrote: I'm not an expert, but I believe not. As you say, the Windows operating system certainly works this way: a copy you purchase with a new computer cannot be transferred. But I don't think this generally applies to Microsoft's application software, such as Office. Microsoft Office is distributed under a number of different licenses, whose terms and conditions may include one of more of the following: * Re-installable on the same computer; * Not re-installable on the same computer; * Transferable to a new computer; * Not transferable to a new computer; * Cloud only: not transferable to a new computer; * Cloud only: transferable to a new computer; * Cloud only: transferable between existing computers; As a general rule of thumb: * The more frequently one makes a payment, the less the license allows one to; * The higher the payment, the more the license allows one to do; Some license options (with the resulting cost difference) are only available in specific geographical areas. jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Sphinx - voice translation - Linux
On 03/12/14 12:55, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Is there any FREE ones that work well for Windows? No. The entire field is wrapped up in mathematical algorithms that have been illegally granted patents. That is what the speech recognition really us needed. All of that was available, before Nuance decided that they would help those with a11y requirements by ensuring that RD was stopped, and working products were pulled from the market place. Indeed, the achievement that Nuance is proudest of, is that those with a11y needs no longer have the tools that would help them. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Lost Pass Word
On 26/11/14 20:41, jonathon wrote: Once upon a time, there was an extension that did password recovery. I don't know how well it works/worked. I couldn't find it, when I searched the LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice archives today. Found it: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooomacros/files/PasswordCracker/Version 1.0/ This is for either OOo 1.1.x, or OOo 2.x. It won't work for LibreOffice 3.x or LibreOffice 4.x If one expects to crack the password within a reasonable period of time, one has to know some basic information about the forgotten password. ### 1,114,112 glyphs that can be theoretically utilized 2048 characters per password 1.289106802e+12384 potential passwords to check. Worst case scenario is 2.452638512e+12378 years, at one password per second. Theoretically, it will be obtained within 1.25e+12378 years. The required time will decrease, as the number of passwords checked per second increases. Using a currently available brute force decryption macro for OOo, it will take 2.554831784e+12375 years for the worst case scenario, and roughly 1.225e+12375 years in the average scenario. If the number of glyphs is restricted to 128, and the password length is restricted to 8 characters, then your worst case scenario is 5.238909443e+16 potential passwords, which can be decrypted in 1.038279554e+8 years (worst case scenario) or 5.191397771e+7 years, in the average situation, at 16 passwords per second. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Lost Pass Word
On 26/11/14 06:39, Isaac Cajina wrote: I need to open some documents and I do not remember my pass word. LibO 3.4.5 and lower can write files whose password protection relies on Blowfish; LibO 3.4.4 and lower can read files whose password protection relies on Blowfish; LibO 3.4.5 and higher can read files whose password protection relies on AES-256; LibO 3.5.0 and higher can write files whose password protection relies on AES-256; The Crypto++ library contains routines for encrypting/decrypting blowfish, AES-256, and other algorithms for ciphers. In 2001, four or five firms, worldwide, offered commercial OOo password recovery services. One of the firms frankly admitted that they used brute force. The setup fee paid for the computers used for the attack. The monthly fee covered the utility bills that the attack generated. FWIW, this firm now appears to be out of business. Once upon a time, there was an extension that did password recovery. I don't know how well it works/worked. I couldn't find it, when I searched the LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice archives today. There are a couple of commercially distributed tools that _might_ work. The time required to brute force a solution can be reduced if: * The length of the password is known; * Part of the password is known; * Which glyphs the password uses are known; This issue comes up often enough, that I'm surprised I can't find an open source tool to brute force ODF passwords. It is a straightforward algorithm. Guess_password Throw_at_document If fails Guess_password If success read_document Guess_password is simply repeat until loops. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] mongodb and base
On 23/11/14 02:25, Eric S. Johansson wrote: Given the nature the information and their standing as a title authority, I'm making a guess here, but that sentence implies that the firm not only has to have current boundaries, but also former boundaries of the property in question, and be able to explain why those boundaries appear to have, and in some cases really did change. The primary change is our building together more detailed information about properties that we had in the past and do it more accurately. I don't know what country you are in. Several decades ago, I had the experience of being tasked with finding the current, legal boundaries of some property the company I worked for wanted to foreclose on. The boundary line, according to the title deed was Westward from Mama's grave to the three elm trees. John's property begins at the first tree. Jane's property begins at the third tree. Needless to say, no survey map, or government database said where Mama's grave was. Equally helpful was the lack of elm trees on any of the properties in question. I can imagine the issues a Title company would have, to prove to a hostile jury that the property being foreclosed upon, and the property described in the title deed are the same property. Instead of foreclosing on the property, we sold that mortgage to a sucker. I think they're also changing legal requirements on titles with regards to title searches and their validity. Fortunately, those changes are very very slow. Doesn't matter how slow they are. When implemented, the relevant data has to be added to every parcel, and sub-parcel. (Here's looking at a parcel of land that the Attorney General of the State of Arizona, and the Attorney General of the State of Utah told a judge that he has had ten years to determine who originally owned what, and where it was located, and that that should be enough time to determine who owned what, and where it was located, and when they owned it, and he needs to finish that job yesterday.(In all fairness to the judge, before that property fell into the courts, the organization that claimed to own it, probably did own it, even if there are no official records to show how they acquired it, or when they acquired it, or what they acquired.)) I know enough about their world there to consider walking away from this contract because of the internal bickering. I probably just described the best reason for walking away. :-) Or the best reason to add a couple of more zeros just to the left of the decimal point. I was trying to close out the matrix and see if I could use beast to replace the report and data entry tools now lost to Informix. Using Base and MongoDB as an Informix clone will require writing, and supporting several extensions for Base. I really do wish I SQL would go the way of COBOL. Intrinsically, there is nothing wrong with either COBOL or SQL. The problem is that people who use those tools tend to suffer from the computing equivalent of extreme monolingualism, thereby demonstrating the validity of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] customise character order for comparisons?
On November 13, 2014 6:30:16 AM PST, wrote: Thanks for suggestion; I'll try it out One other possibility is to construct a font with the characters in alphabetical order, in Unicode Private Space, and remap your system keyboard to output those characters. The optimal/ideal solution is for LibreOffice to allow usrs to construct ther own locales, including glyph sorting. I've forgotten the solution I used, when I encountered that scenario, using a conlang. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Recommended version of Java?
On 31/10/14 20:12, Andreas Säger wrote: The fact is, Libreoffice, for a long time, simply did not work at al with Java7. Huh? Really? Which issue number was that? I can't believe that any LO version had been released with such a show stopper issue. The problem is/was much more subtle than the OP implied. Java functioned correctly for some things, but not others. Change the build, and it worked correctly for a different set of things, but failed for the original set. Switch to a third build, and there was a different set of failures and successes. The only viable fix, is to completely rip Java out, and prohibit both extensions, and future code submissions that require Java. jonathon * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); and politly, but firmly prohibit any extenion that requires Java, and all coide that calls Java. IOW, make Java a prohibited language. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Recommended version of Java?
On 30/10/14 15:33, Tanstaafl wrote: No, it should be very easy to answer - for someone who knows. There is no version of Java that can be recommended as a universal or general answer. Which version to use literally depends upon: * Extensions; * Third party software that interfaces with LibO; * Platform; * Internal components of LibO; that you use. Couple that with zero day exploits of Java in the wild, before the official release of the version of Java that is targeted, and the only safe advice is to not use Java, unless it is on an air gapped system. FWIW, even though A11Y requires Java, at least one screen reader works better without Java installed, than with Java installed. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice forks
On October 18, 2014 4:07:34 AM PDT, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I remember a European one [EuroOffice?], a Mac one [NeoOffice?], and OxygenOffice. * EuroOffice, which is alive and well on the Android platform; * NeoOffice, which is alive and well on the Mac os x platform; * OxygenOffice: Merged into LibO; I know there were others. * RedOffice: Shut down in 2011; I know of others, but don't remember details. Anyone know of a good list and what became of these forks? Outdated, but the most comprehensive list I can find: * https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/DerivedWorks; * https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Solutions; jonathons -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks
On October 14, 2014 2:36:14 PM PDT, Bruce Byfield wrote: Can anyone point me to a list of LibreOffice and OOo forks? Its been two or three years since I've seen a comprehensive list. Offhand, the only programs I can think of are: * NeoOffice; * AndroOpenOffice; * EuroOffice; * LibreOffice; * Apache Open Office; Lotus Symphony was rolled into Apache OpenOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore. GoOo was rolled into LibreOffice. I don't think it exists as a separate program anymore; I don't know what the status of RedOffice is. The other forks I am aware of, have either been abandoned, or rolled back into either LibO, or AOo. I suspect that there were a number of forks that never got on anybody's radar: * CD/DVD only distribution as budget software; * Vector software for Trojan droppers; * SoHo support companies that rebranded the software, to preserve their contract/business model; * Instant download vendors; jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions
On October 10, 2014 10:36:13 AM PDT, alphacrash wrote: It's obvious the functionality list of Libreoffice is becomming overwhelming. I wouldn't be surprised if maintaining the functionality list ended before the days of OOo 1.1.3. There was functionality broken in 1.1.4 that neither QA nor the developers knew existed in 1.1.2. (I'm not talking only about things like the functionality in OOo 1.1.3-ZA that was not present in any other version of OOo 1.1.x. ) Now wondering if that game has been removed from LibO. I've forgotten how it was accessed. :( Regardless of the outcome of that discussion, *there is a potential HUGE conflict of interest looming on the horizon in the form of creating bugs so that outside companies can charge $$$ to fix them. * As a potential issue, it exists only as long as organizations and individuals are mislead about FLOSS. The biggest misconception being that FLOSS is gratis. QUESTION: Does there exist a set of LibreOffice TEST documents that are designed to test ALL OF THE FUNCTIONALITY of a given version of LibreOffice? No. Specifically, one that can automate test, perhaps through macros or self contained programs, all the functionality of Libreoffice? Theoretically that can be automated, but due to a11y issues with LibO, it is not currently possible to do so. SUGGESTION #3: If such a set of documents or test harness does NOT EXIST. Perhaps the QA team could itemize all the functionality of a version of Libreoffice and structure a project for contribution by end users to contribute the tests. i.e: A test suite that each user could download and then run and/or contribute more. In theory, the documents that accompany bug reports are: * Used to verify that bug fixes do fix the reported issue; * Construct test documents to be incorporated into QA; SUGGESTION #4: If a test harness is too complicated, Assuming the a11y issues are solved (which is required, if LibO is to be deployed in corporate environment in a legal jurisdiction that takes a11y legislation as something more significant than a bone for voters), the stumbling block is the number of platforms each item of functionality can be tested on. Even basic testing requires 91 platforms. (12 for Windows, 5 for Mac OS X, 10 for BSD distros, 2 for OpenSolaris, 10 each for Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, Mint, Arch, Puppy, and one each for Kali,TAILS DoD.) If exotic platforms are included, then the number of testing platforms increases by at least two orders of magnitude, and maybe even three. could the QA team make an itemized list of all the functionality of LibreOffice, inherited and otherwise Methinks that LibO is like WangWriter during its prime. C/Support and Sales: No, you can not construct spreadsheets using this product. Experienced users: Yes you can. Here is how to do it. Wang developers: That won't work. Wang tech support: It does work, regardless of what your specifications claim. *and create some sort of method to crowd source the testing in a manner designed to capture any lost functionality*? That is what QA _currently_ does, albeit without the list of all of LibO's current functionality. It might be a bit too late to compile a complete list of functionality. What is possible, is to construct a list, based upon: * Reported regression bugs; * Deliberately added new functionality; * Known, existing functionality; * New functionality added by accident, serendipity, or unintentionally, and discovered by a user; i.e.: a project website for each version LibreOffice with the 100,000 things that LibreOffice can do where the users can test each one and report the test? Depending upon how things is defined, that figure could be closer to 10,000,000,000 than 100,000. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions
On October 2, 2014 6:17:50 AM PDT, Tanstaafl wrote: The point, again, is it is irrelevant if there is a TEST BUILD that is fixed. Daily builds _are_ test builds. You know what features/functions are important in your environment: * You test for that. * Then you test for fixes to bugs that you reported. * Then you test for fixes that others reported, but affect your environment. # In doing those tests, ignore what claims may or may not have been said about a specific build. Things may have been inadvertently fixed, or broken, between builds. The devs have no idea how people use the product, and thus only test a minuscle subset of available features, functions, and capabilities. QA tests a slightly larger subset of those features, functions, and capabilities. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions
On October 2, 2014 6:50:02 AM PDT, Tanstaafl wrote: You obviously haven't read this entire thread. Florian is trying to extort money from me to fix this major regression. Florian was pointing out that the way to ensure the regression is fixed is to either do it yourself, or pay somebody to do it. He then quoted what his firm charges for per incident Tier 3 Support. Major regressions, on the other hand, are a very different issue, and your lumping them together is just plain disingenuous. From a coding petspective, there is no difference between adding an enhancement, fixing a bug, or restoring a feature lost as the result of a regression. Yep... and the consequences, in this case, are that my biggest client is seriously considering switching to Microsoft office, and because of the situation, caused purely by the Libreoffice devs refusal to fix the regression in a timely fashion, How much is that client paying for Tier 1 support for LibreOffice? How much is that client paying for Tier 2 support for LibreOffice? How much is that client paying for Tier 3 support for LibreOffice? How much will that client pay for Tier 1 support for MSO? How much will that client pay for Tier 2 support for MSO? How much will that client pay for Tier 3 support for MSO? jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions
On October 1, 2014 8:03:05 AM PDT, Tanstaafl wrote: Irrelevant. I cannot install 'Daily builds' on 60+ PCs. What you do is once a week install and test a daily build, verifying that issues that affect your organization have been fixed, or if not, what did not work correctly. The ideal is for you to construct a system to automtically download, install, run, and test the daily builds everyday, verifying what is fixed, determining what is still broken, and finding out what is newly broken. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions
On October 1, 2014 9:54:43 AM PDT, Florian Reisinger wrote: L3 Support means Fixing bugs on the code Do those bug fixes get rolled back into LibreOffice? [ Assuming all the caveats about code acceptance by LibO are met. ] jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions
On October 1, 2014 10:41:07 AM PDT, Tom Davies wrote: Blimey! Normal users need to do coding work? The OP is complaining about a regression caused bug. What I was describing was how to catch such critters _before_ they bevome a problem, and vetify the bug fixes do fix the bug in question. Also with most programs it's possible for most people to just use the software without having to get so involved. What I describe is what any sysadmin worth their salt wold do, with _all_ of the FLOSS an, where an when available, non-FLOSS, that is deployed throughout the organization they work for. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions
On October 1, 2014 11:04:46 AM PDT, Florian Reisinger wrote: which would be not very wise, That sounds a lot like the knight claiming to only have suffered from a flesh wound. Does that answer your question? Yes, dankie. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice on the Big Screen
On 8/23/2014 4:20 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I thought these appearances of products tend to be paid for my the companies pushing their products. Whilst product placement is fairly common, there are instances where either the director, or executive producer does not want to deal with the issues related to product placement, in a specific scene, sequence, or sub-plot. Coke does this as well as other companies, since it is a type of advertising. I've forgotten which TV series it was, but there was a scene where the stars were discussing a computer problem that only happens with Microsoft products. One could clearly see the distinctive Apple Logo on their desktops. I really think that we should look into how these spots on TV and in movies came about. Serendipity. jonathon -- ODF: Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice on the Big Screen
All: Apache Open Office has https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/with_special_guest_star_apache which lists some appearances of Apache Open Office on TV and movies. Questions: * Is/has anybody tracked instances of LibreOffice in movies or TV? * If so, where is that information posted? Not wondering, per se, about documentaries, such as the one that http://youtu.be/PFowLtr39Ug is an extract of. Wondering more about entertainment oriented material. jonathon -- ODF: Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Rotating Text
On 8/22/2014 2:10 PM, Pikov Andropov wrote: He's printing some bridge table cards and he wants SOUTH upside down at the top, North rightside up at the bottom, and WEST and EAST facing out at the sides. That is, when each player sits at the table, he sees (rightside up) a directional name. That can be done using draw. You need to do each word in its own frame, and invert it, to get the text upside down. Doable, but tricky. A long time an RFE for writing upside was submitted, and closed/rejected, because nobody writes like that. jonathon -- ODF: Your documents, your language, your way. * English - detected * English * English javascript:void(0); -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Currently Using Spreadsheet for Personal Project - Thinking About Database
On 8/11/2014 5:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote: extremely fast readers who seem to churn through tons of books very quickly. So, 17 books/year sounds quite low to me. I guess it might be a lot to a 'normal' person (if there is any such person). Librarians and book vendors have a slightly lower estimate for the average number of books read per year. There are huge swathes of the American population where book reading is completely unknown. Those sub-groups pull the average number of books read down considerably. There is a correlation between the number of books in a student's home, and their academic performance. There is a secondary correlation between the number of books the parents of the student read, and the student's academic performance. jonathon -- ODF: Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Currently Using Spreadsheet for Personal Project - Thinking About Database
On August 11, 2014 6:28:20 AM PDT, Oogie McGuire wrote: Oh Gosh, what do they call folks like me? I average 64+ books a year, 1 a week plus one a month. A prime customer of an independent bookstore. year due to textbooks but still… G Students are deliberately excluded from the statistics. A back of the envelope swag suggests that including them will double the number of books read in one year. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Currently Using Spreadsheet for Personal Project - Thinking About Database
On August 11, 2014 6:44:07 AM PDT, Mark Phillips wrote: The framework automatically creates all the plumbing you need to build a project (such as database tables), and allows you, the designer, to focus on the higher level problems of your design My impression is that the OP _wants_ to learn a little bit about database design and construction. Both Koha and Calibre are FLOSS solutions that literally require nothing more than installation, and then adding the data for the books. (There are also other reasons why those are more practical solutions than rolling one's own.) jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Currently Using Spreadsheet for Personal Project - Thinking About Database
On 8/10/2014 9:50 AM, Oogie McGuire wrote If I were doing your system I'd do the following: Book table Title number of pages Foreign key links to an authors table and a series table boolean read or not or else a link to a table read status see below Authors Name Series Name of series like Dragons of Pern or Harry Potter Read status started finished wanted Linking should be by query. When you design that table for Series, remember: The same work can be in two or more series. For example: James Legge's 2 volume series _The Sacred Texts of Daoism_ was also part of Max Muller's 50 volume series _The Sacred Texts of the East_. A series can have two or more authors. For example, _Star Trek: Deep Space Nine_ contains books written by half a dozen different authors. Books set in the same world need not be part of a series, even though marketing mistakenly claims that they are a series. For example: Anne McCaffrey's _P.E.R.N._ novels. Consider how you'll handle spin-of series. For example: _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ alongside _Star Trek: Deep Space Nine_, alongside _Star Trek: Corp of Engineers_, etc. Consider how you'll handle trilogies such as Douglas Adams _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_, (Officially, it is a trilogy in five parts, or six parts, if _And Another Thing..._ is included in that trilogy.) For the Read Status table, you might also want to have tags for reread, and acquired. ### FWIW, the typical heavy reader will take 210 years to read a million pages: * Heavy Reader being defined as reading 17 books per year. (http://libraries.pewinternet.org/2012/04/04/part-2-the-general-reading-habits-of-americans/) * A book is defined as 280 pages (64,000 words) long. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/book-length_n_1334636.html) jonathon -- ODF: Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Currently Using Spreadsheet for Personal Project - Thinking About Database
On 8/10/2014 6:48 PM, Joel Madero wrote: I decided to do the smart thing and diagram it out Potential issues with the author field: Book One: Author A Author B; Book Two: Author B Author A; Book Three: Author A Author C. Author C is really Author B, but has had a name change; Book One, Book Two, and Book Three are all in the same series. I've come across that in books written by academics, for academics. Unfortunately, I don't remember any examples, offhand. jonathon -- ODF: Your documents, your language, your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
On 8/8/2014 11:15 AM, Pikov Andropov wrote: MSO 2013 is incompatible with itself I think he meant that MSO 2013 isn't fully compatible with MSO2010 o No. I meant that MSO 2013 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013. Likewise, MSO 2010 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2010. Likewise, MSO 2007 is completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2007. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
On August 8, 2014 9:47:51 AM PDT, Pikov Andropov wrote: What difference does it make that a file was produced by a proprietary program? The issue s whether or not the end user can, in theory at least, go in and fix whatever is causing the incompatibility with the documents From my POV, MSO 2013 is too incompatible with MSO 2013, to be useful for anything more sophisticated than constructing a document that will never be read, much less printed out. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice Still?
On 8/6/2014 10:55 AM, Paul wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that the concept of an LTS version has nothing to do with the business deals behind it. Yes, and no. As a general rule, Long Term Support is a direct function of business/corporate support. (Debian is probably the best known example of an entity that provides Long Term Support versions of software it maintains, but not commercial support for that software.) The major users of LTS versions of software are corporate entities. It is not uncommon for those organizations to test software for three to six months, prior to deploying it throughout the organization. Once deployed, the expectation is that it will be used for at least three years, with five to ten years being not uncommon. In extreme cases, the software remains in use for 15+ years after original deployment. (I'm aware of one firm that retired its mission critical software three years ago. That software was written for MS-DOS 3.31, and would not run on any later version of MS-DOS, nor on competitors, such as PC-DOS, DrDos, and 4Dos.) Were LibreOffice to offer an LTS version, then it would have to be supported for at least one year, and probably two or three years. With six months between versions, companies simply don't have the time tofix the things that the new version breaks. My recommendation would be: * Bleeding edge development: Nightly Build: This version will physically destroy your system. You have been warned. The Document Foundation is not responsible for the resulting destruction; * Beta: Version 4.5.x: This version will destroy your data. If that is not an issue for you, then use it, because it has all the bells, whistles, and bugs in it. The Document Foundation not responsible for your data loss, or any other loss you suffer, by using this version; * Stable: Version 4.4: This is the current version. Some of the bugs have been removed, but it has all of the current bells and whistles; * LTS: Version 4.0: This version may lack bells and whistles, but most of the bugs have been removed. Bug fixes are deliberately incorporated into this version. New bells and whistles are deliberately omitted from this version; I am deliberately tying the LTS version to increments in the major version number. (I don't remember the criteria for incrementing the major version number, and a search of the LibO site doesn't come up with anything.)(LTS status is granted when version 5.1.0 is released, rather than 5.0.0.) ### As far as fresh and still go, the terms are utterly meaningless to people both within and without the LibreOffice community. So meaningless, that people will skip the product, and search for something that they understand, without having to consult a dictionary. (The definitions at _Urban Dictionary_ are enough to convince hesitant users that none of these versions are safe to install.) Replace the terms with the version numbers. Whilst people might not understand the difference, they will see that one is 4.20, and the other is 4.3.0. jonathon -- eMail with a precedence of other than bulk, list, or junk is forwarded to Dve Null, unread. eMail with those precedences might, but probably will not be read. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OOo in a Multi-Lingual Environment
On July 8, 2014 7:29:02 PM PDT, Tom Davies wrote: Is that a guide? Yes. 450 Pages that bored me to sleep when I read it last night. (Actually, it was only the last 200 pages, all of which was technical data more useful to somebody migrating from EBDIC to OOo, than somebody who currently uses LibO, and just needs to know how to write Arabic, Japanese and Greek in the same sentence.) Documentation Project might be interested. That goes without saying. From my pespective the issue is whether or not go spend a couple of hundred hours figuring out the optimal way to work around the flaws in LibO that minimize its utility when communicating in about a dozen writing systems. The work around described in that document no longer works. jonathon -- Your documents. Your language. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] comment-807
On February 28, 2014 12:28:26 AM PST, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Office XP has been out of support for two years. Office 2003 is going out of support this year (April). That means companies and people moving to Office 2010 at the least, That is the scenario that Microsoft wants The bean counters are looking at a very different scenario. jonathon -- Your language. Your documents. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Defending ODF against OOXML in the UK
On February 26, 2014 4:58:25 AM PST, James Knott wrote: There is a version of OpenOffice for Android now available. That will certainly meet your requirements for working with ODF on a tablet, AndroOffice is suitable only for editing _small_ documents. The major issues are: * Navigation. Navigator does not work; * Size constraints: If the document is larger than about 2 MB in size, the document will not be opened; * Spell-checking: Custom dictionaries can not be installed on stock tablets. (IOW, you have to root the device, in order to add dictionaries.) * Extensions. Allegedly, they can be installed, but I've been extremely unsuccessful in doing so; * Templates: Allegedly, you can install your own, but I've been unsuccessful in doing so; * Database: Forget it. Install SQLiteManager, and learn SQL; All that said, I constructed a couple of spreadsheets to replace apps that I installed. A side-effect is that the spreadsheets can accept more types of data, and spit out more types of data, than the apps do. Two major issues with tablets as desktop/laptop replacements, is that they are neither multi-tasking, nor multi-user. (Prior to getting my tablet, the last non-multi-user, non-multi-tasking platform was when I had an Apple //e.) (Whilst I can install *Nix on the tablet, that requires rooting the system, and replacing the kernel. Something I'm not comfortable doing.) jonathon -- Your language. Your documents. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer record changes feature
On February 13, 2014 5:18:58 PM PST, Alan wrote: Is there a way to display the changed document, as if all edits are accepted, *without* accepting the changes?? IOW, show changed document. Probably not the way you want to do things, but installing OOoSVN, and regular saves to SVN will let you go back to the document, regardless of changes accepted/rejected/pending. jonathon -- Your language. Your documents. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Review of AndrOpen Office
On February 8, 2014 1:15:08 PM PST, James E Lang wrote: Regarding the password issue, the default action during a Save As … operation is to solicit a password and I might have entered a space in frustration. The default action differs, depending upon which build is used. Export to PDF exports all the sheets. I want to print the defined print range from one of five sheets to a PDF file. It should be doable but I That part has not yet been implemented. A couple of months ago I saw a projected roadmap that listed when each feature would probably be implemented. However, I don't know where I saw it, and a Google serch doesn't bring it up. :( copied from Apache OpenOffice in order to share the print output with an external (not yet available?) app. Defined print range would go through the Android Print API, which relies on Google Print. works derived from Open Source products had to, themselves, be Open Source also. How wrong could I get? (Rhetoric question) I'm almost at the point of defining everything that is not licenced under the GNU GPL 2.0, or GNU GPL 3.0 to be closed source, proprietary software. In any case I do find AnOo (as you called it) to be usable if attention is paid to its quirks. Unfortunately, those quirks change with each released build. jonathon -- Your language. Your documents. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Export PDF
On February 8, 2014 6:54:39 PM PST, Cliff Scott wrote: that someone opening a Tagged Format PDF may have problems if they Originally, only Tagged PDF was fully accessible, but a couple of changes during the finalization of the standard meant that PDF/A-1a is equally accessible. Using Forms in PDF can confuse screen readers, and other accessibility tools. the same fonts installed? I thought that wasn't supposed to be the case. The default was that only rare fonts are included, and then only for the glyphs that are used. Now, one has the option of including the entire font, regardless of how rare it is. Including fonts can greatly increase the size of the PDF. jonathon -- Your language. Your documents. Your way. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 'deployment'
On February 5, 2014 1:53:59 AM PST, Kracked_P_P wrote: both packages has the same roots OOo to LO and OOo to AOO, but we are now different packages and offer different GUI styles and options, plus our base coding has been changed and may not be reflected in AOO's base coding. Given the differences in the code base, can we even be sure that information provided on the AOO website will apply to LibO? I do know that there are enough differences between AOO and LibO, that it is easier to simply install and use both, than trying to work around the missing feature/function in the other one. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the far side of time, and the near side of space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?
On February 5, 2014 3:40:08 PM PST, Peter West wrote: That simply demonstrates that it is not beneficial to either the writer, nor the reader. On 6/02/2014 5:31 am, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 01:37:52PM +, Tom Davies wrote: Bottom posting requires a ton of extra work such as trimming and such which office workers really do not have time for. Trimming is a sensible thing to do, whichever way you post. It's work for the poster, not the reader, and top-posting is a benefit for the reader, not (primarily) the poster. . I really hope you don't mean that trimming is a waste of time. Ever see a reply to a digest message that quoted the whole digest. What fun. But doesn't trimming undermine the argument? How can the discussion be read sequentially when bits of it have been deleted? -- Peter West For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and canno deleted -- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how many languages can LO support at the same time. . .
The more UI languages that are installed, the more RAM LibO needs. The more dictionaries that are installed, the more RAM is needed. The more extensions that are installed, the more RAM is needed. If there is not enough RAM, then the swap partition is used. (I've noticed that recent versions of a number of Linux distros do not automatically create a swap partution that is the size mandated by the Linux kernel specs and expectations.) Other than the obvious, I do't know how much of a factor chip speed is. Nor do I know what effect the nu,ber of cores has on LibO performance. ### Sorry about not quoting, but I'm using what is allegedly the best email client for this device, and, just like Thunderbird, it was not designed to read, write, or respond to email that one recieves, or sends, and be in full conformance with the relevant RFCs. jonathon -- Sent from the wrong side of the space-time continuum. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] with styles, is not master document functionality unnecessary+
e-letter wrote: What is the benefit of using master document function (presumably a gratuitous copy of m$), when styles function is available in LO? For all practical purposes, the advantages and virtues of using Master Document functionality is completely irrelevant to the advantages and virtues of using Styles. be more stable and easier to manage if these files were imported into one new document? Whether it is more appropriate for the content to maintained as One Single File, One Master Document file, or 100 individual files, depends upon a dozen different factors, starting with the type of content, and ending up with the size of the components of that content. I've maintained content in all three forms. jonathon -- Sent from the eating establishment at the Far side of the Universe, at the begining of Time, and at the end of Space. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North America Touching Basis
On January 29, 2014 2:15:15 PM PST, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: But the Largest US Cities are generally not on the coast (which does not make your statement wrong). Of the 7 cities listed, only two of them are not international ports, with container ships arriving/departing on a daily basis. In fact, if I list the top 20, there is a very small number on the coast. More than 40% of the US population lives in either BosWash or SanSan. (Something else they have in common, is that both are one earthquake away from being completely obliterated from the map.) smallest average travel distance, you pick the middle of Ohio (Columbus, Ohio). Shortest distance does not correlate with easiest to get to. SanSan residents will go through Atlanta. BosWash residents will go through either Detroit or Chicago. Fly-over country residents will probably go through both Denver and Chicago. 1. Easy / cheap air fare to the location 2. Affordable lodging and food Affordable lodging means going during the off season. Cheap airfare means getting either a 90 day or 180 day APEX fare. Also consider that rail is a viable alternative in BosWash. ### Something I've missed in the conversation is: * Roughly how many people are the organizers planning for? * How many days will it last? * Of those that might be going, is there a geographic centre that might be more appropriate? A while ago I saw something that implied that there was an extremely large cluster of LibO users in Puget Sound. jonathon -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
