Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
On 08/19/2013 01:09 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 18/08/2013 at 18:01, Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com wrote: what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? Yes. Citations are just fields (each field in LO has plain-text fallback value, so it does not have to be recalculated and can be displayed by software not understanding it). Bibliography is plain text in section. The hard part starts when you want the other person to change your document and change existing citations. Then, they have to use Zotero. And you must either share your library with them, or save Zotero data with each citation (might be slow on larger files). Well, all I wonted to hear is Citations are just fields (each field in LO has plain-text fallback value I'm more then happy! Thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) From: Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com To: Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system. On 08/18/2013 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com *To:* *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features withthing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is thatthe reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
It is really easy to use, and I love the way it can be customized (in sense of formating bibliography entries) but just wonder - what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? On 08/18/2013 05:47 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system. On 08/18/2013 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com *To:* *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features withthing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is thatthe reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
Hi :) I think i would send them a Pd of the whole thing in addition to the Odf. Also i think i would include a link to the 2 relevant download pages. Thanks for letting me know btw! It might help my situation quite a bit. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 17:01 Subject: Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting It is really easy to use, and I love the way it can be customized (in sense of formating bibliography entries) but just wonder - what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? On 08/18/2013 05:47 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system. On 08/18/2013 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com *To:* *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
In Zotero's Document Preferences, note the choice between using ReferenceMarks or Bookmarks, and the choice of whether to 'Store references in document' or not. These choices will affect how you share documents with others. On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think i would send them a Pd of the whole thing in addition to the Odf. Also i think i would include a link to the 2 relevant download pages. Thanks for letting me know btw! It might help my situation quite a bit. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2013, 17:01 Subject: Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting It is really easy to use, and I love the way it can be customized (in sense of formating bibliography entries) but just wonder - what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? On 08/18/2013 05:47 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: First time I installed it, it wasn't showing in LO user interface, I've downloaded id again, upgraded Firefox to 23 and now it is showing in UI and allows me to use it. Still have to play with it a little bit to see what that thing can really do, but sure it is improvement over LO integrated bibliography system. On 08/18/2013 04:23 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Congrats!! Have you really solved it and got it all working properly now? Is Zotero easy enough to use? Some of my colleagues wont even try LO until it can do things that they never need it to do anyway. One of the interns mentioned it being difficult to do bibliography and stuff so now no-one will even use it to write simple one-page letters. Regards from Tom :) *From:* Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com *To:* *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2013, 13:36 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting On 08/18/2013 02:30 PM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 02:09 PM, Krunoslav Šebetić wrote: On 08/18/2013 08:20 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 17/08/2013 12:46, Krunoslav Šebetić a écrit : Hi, think that LO should have (a little bit) better bibliography entry system. Every thing works just fine, but I miss some features with thing I'm writing now. When I do Insert - Indexes an tables - Bibliography entry I can insert entry from the document or from Bibliography database. Thing is that the reference system I use require shortening of textnotes: You should try Zotero instead which works well with LO. Best regards. JBF Heard of that, never used it, I'll give it a try - thanks for replay because I really need something more powerful... Page http://www.zotero.org/support/word_processor_plugin_installation says it will work with 3.5.6 what about 4.0.4 or 4.2 beta? The Zotero version numbers are a bit confusing. 3.5.6 is the version number of the latest Zotero plugin for LibreOffice. As the page says, the plugin is 'compatible with all versions of LibreOffice', including 4. (The plugin is _not_ compatible with version 4 of Apache OpenOffice.) Didn't install it right first time - got it working now - thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Bibliography entry system and word/character counting
On 18/08/2013 at 18:01, Krunoslav Šebetić kruno0...@gmail.com wrote: what happens when I send zotero odt to some one who doesn't have it installed? Does bibliography shows as it should? Yes. Citations are just fields (each field in LO has plain-text fallback value, so it does not have to be recalculated and can be displayed by software not understanding it). Bibliography is plain text in section. The hard part starts when you want the other person to change your document and change existing citations. Then, they have to use Zotero. And you must either share your library with them, or save Zotero data with each citation (might be slow on larger files). -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
