[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria

2013-11-03 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

We all have had favorite packages for doing documentation over the
years.  I am an avid user for LO, but I remember the days before LO/OOo
came out.  I used different packages for different applications, and use
MSO only when I had to.  I use to use word processors that looked more
like text editors.  I really do not remember all of the packages I had
tried over the years, but I did have copies of Works, WordPerfect, and
MSO 95-2003.  My first-favorite was PC-Write, where I helped create
printer drivers for the package.  Of course that was DOS days.

Starting with Windows, I had to use WordPerfect and Word, depending on
who the documents were for.  But, with older, slower systems, the newer
Word/MSO was getting too bulky and slow for ease of use.  I was lucky
that OOo just came out about then. 

Even with LO as my office suite, I still use Kate [Ubuntu Linux] for the
text editor and Kompozer for WYSIWYG editing.  I use NoteTab and/or
NotePad ++ in the Windows systems, when I need a text editor instead of
a word processor.

I do not need to use LaTeX or similar options, but if I did then I would
either add an extension to LO to do it or find an editor dedicated for
that type or work.

I am of the school of what ever way is easiest for me/you is the best
way for me/you.  I use Writer to make signs, that are not complex
enough to need Corel Draw, Inkscape, or Draw.  Actually, sometimes I
power up a Windows boot on my laptop to run a package or two there that
are easier and faster to use than anything I have on my Linux system [my
main/default desktop is Ubuntu 12.04 with 6 TB of drive space].  Then,
once I have done the work, I move it over to my Linux desktop for
farther processing and/or storage.  Of course, I have LO on all my Linux
and Windows systems [both single or dual booting systems]


On 11/02/2013 05:57 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
 I don't want to speak for Urmas, or necessarily defend him, but I use
 many programs in addition to LO for my work, and in many respects I
 prefer other options over LO. I've often spoken of the Atlantis Word
 Processor, a very small Word clone that I keep going back to for its
 simplicity, speed and stability. And, aside from creating tables, it
 does all I need in word processing (and has the best built-in Epub
 converter that I've seen in any word processor). I've also been
 playing recently with markdown editors like WriteMonkey and ReText. I
 like typing a plain text file and having it formatted by a separate
 CSS file. There's a simplicity about it that is quite enjoyable. I've
 used LaTeX and LyX on occasion. And, my job requires me to use (and
 teach) Microsoft Office. I even have an old version of WordPerfect on
 my system for those rare times I need to read its files from colleagues.

 So, why am I here on this list? I still use LO for those tasks that
 can't be accomplished by my other simpler tools. When I need tables, I
 use LO Writer. Also, I use Calc and Presentation and Base for many
 tasks, none of which are supported in the dedicated editors that I
 tend to prefer over LO.

 LO is the digital equivalent of my minivan. It does everything, but
 often isn't very fun, precisely because of its relative complexity.
 Atlantis is my sports car; small, light and fun, but not very
 practical when I need to haul a sheet of plywood.

 So, I stay on this list to keep learning about the program, and I've
 learned plenty from y'all.

 I hope that blind devotion to LO over all other computing tools
 doesn't become a prerequisite for discussing its relative merits and
 failings on this list. Last I saw, this is a *user's* list, not
 necessarily a *cheerleader's* list.

 Virgil


 -Original Message- From: Fred James
 Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 5:11 PM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re:
 [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office
 gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria

 Urmas wrote:
 Jay Lozier:

 Microsoft did not develop the first office productivity packages.

 There were no 'office packages' before Microsoft Office.

 Several predated any MS offerings and were available before the IBM-PC
 was released.

 They didn't design the first, but they have designed the best
 So tell me, Urmas, if you find MSO to be the best, why are your here on
 an LO list?
 Regards
 Fred James




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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria

2013-11-02 Thread Fred James

Virgil Arrington wrote:

(omissions for brevity)


Last I saw, this is a *user's* list, not necessarily a *cheerleader's* 
list.


Virgil
(omissions for brevity)



So tell me, Urmas, if you find MSO to be the best, why are your here on
an LO list?
Regards
Fred James
Neither a booster or a trasher, am I.  I am on this list to learn, full 
stop.  Religious wars still annoy me ... I shall have to work on that.

Regards
Fred James


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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria

2013-11-02 Thread James Knott
baldwin linguas wrote:
 I can remember writing college papers with Clarisworks.
 And there was Wordperfect from Corel.
 Although, I'm uncertain whether these were before or after MSOffice.
 I saw them both before I ever heard of MSOffice, though.

 Let's see...Clarisworks was released 1984.
 StarOffice (Sun) was released in 1985.
 Lotus 1 2 3 was released in 1983, but apparently Lotus Notes wasn't until 
 1989.
 Wordperfect for DOS was released in 1989.

 And MSOffice was released in 1991.

 Of course, neither Staroffice (Sun), Lotus (IBM) nor Wordperfect
 (Corel), had a full suite, initially,
 as far as I am aware, but Clarisworks/Appleworks did, well before MSOffice.
 OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice, of course, are both children of the
 old StarOffice.

I used to use PC-Write on DOS many years ago.  IIRC, the same company
had a spreadsheet and database available.  Of course, if we don't limit
ourselves to PCs, the mainframe and minicomputer world had office
software long before there was such a thing as a PC.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [pt-br-usuarios] Estudantes da rede estadual de SP terão Office gratuito para até 5 PCs após parceria

2013-11-02 Thread James Knott
James Knott wrote:
 I used to use PC-Write on DOS many years ago.  IIRC, the same company
 had a spreadsheet and database available.  Of course, if we don't limit
 ourselves to PCs, the mainframe and minicomputer world had office
 software long before there was such a thing as a PC.

Forgot to include the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staroffice


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