Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 04/30/2016 04:42 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 28/04/2016 17:55, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

Hi Tim,


Is there an Android version yet, that can edit documents?  Even if it is
a Beta version.


To my knowledge :

AndrOpenOffice - the whole suite, but you really need a keyboard with
your tablet

EuroOffice Calc/Text/Presenter - supposedly designed for Android tablets


Alex


I looked at AndrOpenOffice before, on a tablet when I did not have an 
external keyboard.  In Portrait orientation, you do have some ability to 
see the text while you are typing, but not enough to really use it.. 
Since my current tablet had the bluetooth keyboard attached to the fake 
leather "case".  I have not tried a tablet version of EuroOffice.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Alexander Thurgood]

Le 28/04/2016 17:55, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :

Hi Tim,

>
> Is there an Android version yet, that can edit documents?  Even if it is
> a Beta version.
> 

To my knowledge :

AndrOpenOffice - the whole suite, but you really need a keyboard with
your tablet

EuroOffice Calc/Text/Presenter - supposedly designed for Android tablets


Alex



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 04/29/2016 07:12 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

2016-04-29 19:16 GMT+02:00 Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster <
webmas...@krackedpress.com>:


On 04/29/2016 05:19 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:


Am 29.04.2016 um 03:30 schrieb James Knott:


On 04/28/2016 06:02 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:


I chose LibreOffice over all of the forks out there.


Ummm...  LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.


Your initial question was if there is more than a viewer for Android and

now you come up with issues of taste and branding.

It is the decision of those who actually do the work.
They may find the Apache license more attractive.
They may be familiar with the old code base but not with the forks.
The "stability" (lack of development) could be attractive too.


I started using OpenOffice.org before it had the ability to save .doc
files.  I tried Oxygen Office and a few others over the years. When
LibreOffice came out in its first version, I switched and never looked
back.  When Apache's version came out I did not switch.

Yes, my original question was about needing a package that has the editing
ability for ODF, but I have the LibreOffice viewer and wanted to use an
Android version of LibreOffice that does the editing.  For whatever
reasons, I come to prefer LibreOffice's "brand", from the reasons for
creating this fork to the "community" developed around this fork.

I did download the suggested Android app and will look into using it. If
you do not have an external keyboard, you cannot use "landscape
orientation" and see what you are typing at the same time - or at least for
my tablet's display resolution.

Note - in my honest opinion[s]:
Someday, hopefully soon, our volunteer developers will produce an Android
app that will create and edit ODF and MSO file formats. Also, one day those
users of iOS devices will have a LO version to use as well. For me, I like
the idea that I could use the same "brand" of an office suite for every
device that I would use.  Right now I use Linux and Windows 10 for
desktops/laptops, and Android for a tablet and a phone.  Right now, MSO is
available for my laptops/desktops and my Android tablets.  There are
Windows phones and Windows tablets, and MS wants to easily run their MSO on
all platforms.  It seems that they are working on an easier way to run MS
packages on Linux than using Wine.  I keep seeing references to this.  SO,
I really like to see LibreOffice on all the common platforms - Linux,
Windows, Mac OSX, and one day Android and iOS.

If the Linux "hating" Microsoft is working with Linux developers to make
it easier to use MS packages on Linux, then maybe they realize that there
are a lot of users out there who prefer Linux - and maybe LibreOffice -
over MS's OS and packages.  If MS is actively looking towards the Linux
user base to make MSO, and other Windows packages, usable on Linux so MS
could try to dominate the one market they have not been able to do so.

Right now, LibreOffice is the dominate [default] office package for most
Linux distros.  I really hope it could be dominate in the Android market as
well - when LO has has its own editor ready.


I'm not sure that the LibreOffice people are looking for world domination.
They do a great job with this suite (even though I prefer Apache
OpenOffice, since LibreOffice sometimes destroys my spreadsheets and only
Apache OpenOffice seems to be able to repair them again…), but they don't
try to force you to use it. I have even seen people on this list
recommending unhappy users something else, sometimes even MS Office… So it
seems to be more like ”look what we did, feel welcome do use it if you want
to, and if it doesn't feel right for you, maybe you could try this or that
instead”, rather than ”we must double the user base until next year” or
whatever.

And no, there is no LibreOffice for Android available yet. The best app yet
seems to be that AndrOpen Office app, but who knows what the future holds…
AndrOpen Office seems to be based on Apache OpenOffice, but as far as I
know, no Apache people are involved in that project, so it's kind of a
fork, just like LibreOffice.


No, I do not think LO is going for "world domination", but I really 
think having every "major" platform should have a good/great free and 
open source option for their office suite needs.  Since I support 
LibreOffice, it would be nice to have LibreOffice on all of those 
platforms as one of those free and open source options.  Since 
LibreOffice does not - yet - have an editor for Android, AndrOffice will 
do for now.  MSO packages are now free for Android [at least for the 
basic versions].  I really do not want to see that MS becomes the 
dominate Android office package, like it is for Windows.  Also, the way 
the articles imply, I do not want to see MSO come to Linux and try to 
take over the dominance of the Linux office suite marketplace.


The last time I bought MSO, it was 2003 version for the Education 
market.  I gave up MSO when OpenOffice.org 

[libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Andreas Säger]

Dreams are free.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 04/29/2016 05:19 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 29.04.2016 um 03:30 schrieb James Knott:

On 04/28/2016 06:02 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

I chose LibreOffice over all of the forks out there.

Ummm...  LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.



Your initial question was if there is more than a viewer for Android and
now you come up with issues of taste and branding.

It is the decision of those who actually do the work.
They may find the Apache license more attractive.
They may be familiar with the old code base but not with the forks.
The "stability" (lack of development) could be attractive too.


I started using OpenOffice.org before it had the ability to save .doc 
files.  I tried Oxygen Office and a few others over the years. When 
LibreOffice came out in its first version, I switched and never looked 
back.  When Apache's version came out I did not switch.


Yes, my original question was about needing a package that has the 
editing ability for ODF, but I have the LibreOffice viewer and wanted to 
use an Android version of LibreOffice that does the editing.  For 
whatever reasons, I come to prefer LibreOffice's "brand", from the 
reasons for creating this fork to the "community" developed around this 
fork.


I did download the suggested Android app and will look into using it. If 
you do not have an external keyboard, you cannot use "landscape 
orientation" and see what you are typing at the same time - or at least 
for my tablet's display resolution.


Note - in my honest opinion[s]:
Someday, hopefully soon, our volunteer developers will produce an 
Android app that will create and edit ODF and MSO file formats. Also, 
one day those users of iOS devices will have a LO version to use as 
well. For me, I like the idea that I could use the same "brand" of an 
office suite for every device that I would use.  Right now I use Linux 
and Windows 10 for desktops/laptops, and Android for a tablet and a 
phone.  Right now, MSO is available for my laptops/desktops and my 
Android tablets.  There are Windows phones and Windows tablets, and MS 
wants to easily run their MSO on all platforms.  It seems that they are 
working on an easier way to run MS packages on Linux than using Wine.  I 
keep seeing references to this.  SO, I really like to see LibreOffice on 
all the common platforms - Linux, Windows, Mac OSX, and one day Android 
and iOS.


If the Linux "hating" Microsoft is working with Linux developers to make 
it easier to use MS packages on Linux, then maybe they realize that 
there are a lot of users out there who prefer Linux - and maybe 
LibreOffice - over MS's OS and packages.  If MS is actively looking 
towards the Linux user base to make MSO, and other Windows packages, 
usable on Linux so MS could try to dominate the one market they have not 
been able to do so.


Right now, LibreOffice is the dominate [default] office package for most 
Linux distros.  I really hope it could be dominate in the Android market 
as well - when LO has has its own editor ready.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Andreas Säger]

Am 29.04.2016 um 11:19 schrieb Andreas Säger:
> 
> Your initial question was if there is more than a viewer for Android and
> now you come up with issues of taste and branding.

Sorry. It was Tim's initial question.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Andreas Säger]

Am 29.04.2016 um 03:30 schrieb James Knott:
> On 04/28/2016 06:02 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
>> I chose LibreOffice over all of the forks out there.
> 
> Ummm...  LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.
> 
> 

Your initial question was if there is more than a viewer for Android and
now you come up with issues of taste and branding.

It is the decision of those who actually do the work.
They may find the Apache license more attractive.
They may be familiar with the old code base but not with the forks.
The "stability" (lack of development) could be attractive too.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Italo Vignoli]

LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice - plus NeoOffice and probably some other 
office suite - have been forked out of OpenOffice.org at different times. The 
LGPL source code has ended it's life in June 2011, when the move to Apache 
Foundation inspired by IBM has deliberately changed the license from copyleft 
to permissive and replaced all copyleft code with permissive code, with a more 
substancial amount of changes than the LibreOffice fork.

Italo Vignoli
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> Il giorno 29 apr 2016, alle ore 03:30, James Knott  
> ha scritto:
> 
>> On 04/28/2016 06:02 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
>> I chose LibreOffice over all of the forks out there.
> 
> Ummm...  LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[James Knott]

On 04/28/2016 06:02 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> I chose LibreOffice over all of the forks out there.

Ummm...  LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Andreas Säger]

Am 29.04.2016 um 00:02 schrieb Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster:
> 
> I would rather have a LibreOffice for Android instead of Open Office for
> Android.
> 

I trust that the developers who made this happen know exactly what they
are doing.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

I would rather have a LibreOffice for Android instead of Open Office for 
Android.


I chose LibreOffice over all of the forks out there.  Since LibreOffice 
has a "brand", according to the web site, I choose its brand over the 
"brands" of those other forks that were developed over the past 4 or 5 
years.



On 04/28/2016 04:32 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:

Do you really believe in brands?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Andreas Säger]

Do you really believe in brands?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

On 04/28/2016 01:24 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:

Am 28.04.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster:

With the posts about iOS version is not available [on the Website list],
I remember reading something about an Android version that was more than
just a Viewer.

Is there an Android version yet, that can edit documents?  Even if it is
a Beta version.


https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice


I forgot about that package.

Actually, I tried it on my older tablet but did not have an external 
keyboard at that time.  Maybe this newer tablet would have better luck 
with that package.


I wonder when some of our developers get that type of viewer/editor for 
the LibreOffice "brand".  Right now I was forced to use the free Word 
for Android package, which keeps trying to have me use their online 
services.  In Win10, I keep getting a message insisting that I log into 
their Cloud services every time I switch to Win10's boot to use a couple 
of graphic packages I need to use and does not have the same "filters 
and functions" with GIMP or other Linux graphics packages.






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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO for Android - is there more than a Viewer available? Beta maybe?

[Andreas Säger]

Am 28.04.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster:
> With the posts about iOS version is not available [on the Website list],
> I remember reading something about an Android version that was more than
> just a Viewer.
> 
> Is there an Android version yet, that can edit documents?  Even if it is
> a Beta version.
> 

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice



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