Re: [libreoffice-users] entering records
Hi :) Errr, you know you can write your reports in Writer rather than in Base? It gives a lot more flexibility that way. You 'just' need to connect your Writer document to the database. Errr, that is where i get stuck though as i don't know how to do that yet! :( With database programs in general it is best practice to build Forms and Reports from Queries, rather than directly from Tables, because it gives more flexibility and makes it easier to fix if/when accidents happen (such as the back-end suddenly vanishes making the Forms freak out) or when the table needs to grow or change. A Query can be a simple as show all the data from the Table. Obviously the Query itself doesn't hold any of the data, it's just an abstraction so it forms a buffer between the Table and the Forms and Reports. It can be useful to have it do some filtering or sorting so that by the time the Forms or Reports are looking at the data it's all neatly sorted already. With Base a lot of weird things go wrong when using the internal back-end to hold the data in the Tables. It is really designed to be used with an external back-end. This makes it highly scalable. There are a lot of big, powerful back-ends such as MySql/MariaDB, PostgreSQL or smaller, lighter faster ones (although the only ones i have heard of are Java-based ones such as HsqlDB). Apparently PostgreSQL has the best support in terms of their devs supporting Base although people on this list put a lot of work into the connectors or MySql/MariaDB and they are easier to contact. Someone recently surprised me by saying that his MySql back-end was extremely fast so maybe it is good for small amounts of data too and not just large, hefty tables. There is some documentation about Base but it's slow going. The most complete is on the Faq page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq but the handbook is getting really close too now https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook That 2nd link also gives you the Base Guide's first few chapters which is a lot heftier as you will notice. Sorry that none of this directly answers your question! Hopefully others will be around soon that can help more directly Apols and regards from Tom :) From: rounak jain rounak.m...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 4:28 Subject: [libreoffice-users] entering records Three Tables: I am writing the fields in Table.FieldName format below. 1a. Customer.ID 1b. Customer.Name 2a. Invoice.ID 2b. Invoice.Customer Name 2c. Invoice.Customer ID 3a. Invoice Details.ID 3b. Invoice Details.Invoice ID 1a, 2a, 3a are all primary fields. Relationship one to many between: 1. Customer ID.ID -Invoice.Customer ID 2. Invoice.ID - Invoice Details.Invoice ID Now, in Filemaker this was the way to use the forms: Create a new Invoice (i.e. create a new record using a Form based on Invoice Table). Enter a value in the field Invoice.Customer Name (a combo box populates it with values from Customer.Name) I have been able to reach upto here in Base. This is the part where I need help: In Filemaker, the Invoice.Customer ID field used to be setup as a lookup field to auto-retrieve the Customer ID number from the Customer Table when an entry was made in Invoice.Customer Name. The obvious purpose of doing this is to link the Invoice and Customer table. I do not know how I am supposed to get this done in Base. Hope I am clear. Kindly let me know if I am not. Thank you for your time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] entering records
Just to inform all users: I got the answer in the cross-post mentioned earlier which is http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61t=61646 On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Errr, you know you can write your reports in Writer rather than in Base? It gives a lot more flexibility that way. You 'just' need to connect your Writer document to the database. Errr, that is where i get stuck though as i don't know how to do that yet! :( With database programs in general it is best practice to build Forms and Reports from Queries, rather than directly from Tables, because it gives more flexibility and makes it easier to fix if/when accidents happen (such as the back-end suddenly vanishes making the Forms freak out) or when the table needs to grow or change. A Query can be a simple as show all the data from the Table. Obviously the Query itself doesn't hold any of the data, it's just an abstraction so it forms a buffer between the Table and the Forms and Reports. It can be useful to have it do some filtering or sorting so that by the time the Forms or Reports are looking at the data it's all neatly sorted already. With Base a lot of weird things go wrong when using the internal back-end to hold the data in the Tables. It is really designed to be used with an external back-end. This makes it highly scalable. There are a lot of big, powerful back-ends such as MySql/MariaDB, PostgreSQL or smaller, lighter faster ones (although the only ones i have heard of are Java-based ones such as HsqlDB). Apparently PostgreSQL has the best support in terms of their devs supporting Base although people on this list put a lot of work into the connectors or MySql/MariaDB and they are easier to contact. Someone recently surprised me by saying that his MySql back-end was extremely fast so maybe it is good for small amounts of data too and not just large, hefty tables. There is some documentation about Base but it's slow going. The most complete is on the Faq page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq but the handbook is getting really close too now https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook That 2nd link also gives you the Base Guide's first few chapters which is a lot heftier as you will notice. Sorry that none of this directly answers your question! Hopefully others will be around soon that can help more directly Apols and regards from Tom :) -- *From:* rounak jain rounak.m...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Saturday, 11 May 2013, 4:28 *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] entering records Three Tables: I am writing the fields in Table.FieldName format below. 1a. Customer.ID 1b. Customer.Name 2a. Invoice.ID 2b. Invoice.Customer Name 2c. Invoice.Customer ID 3a. Invoice Details.ID 3b. Invoice Details.Invoice ID 1a, 2a, 3a are all primary fields. Relationship one to many between: 1. Customer ID.ID -Invoice.Customer ID 2. Invoice.ID - Invoice Details.Invoice ID Now, in Filemaker this was the way to use the forms: Create a new Invoice (i.e. create a new record using a Form based on Invoice Table). Enter a value in the field Invoice.Customer Name (a combo box populates it with values from Customer.Name) I have been able to reach upto here in Base. This is the part where I need help: In Filemaker, the Invoice.Customer ID field used to be setup as a lookup field to auto-retrieve the Customer ID number from the Customer Table when an entry was made in Invoice.Customer Name. The obvious purpose of doing this is to link the Invoice and Customer table. I do not know how I am supposed to get this done in Base. Hope I am clear. Kindly let me know if I am not. Thank you for your time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] entering records
Hi :) Sorry, i know it's initially more complicated but once you work it out it makes it MUCH easier for your normal users to use the database as they don't see any of the complexity used in the design process. They just carry on using Writer. So there is less chance of them accidentally slipping into design mode and stuffing things up for you. I forwarded this back to the User List as there was nothing to be shy about and it lets other people know where things are at the moment. Also marked it solved. Regards from Tom :) From: rounak jain rounak.m...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 9:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] entering records Your reply though not related directly to the topic is very useful and important. You are taking me to a completely new path raising more questions than before. Thanks, anyway for making my life more difficult. (By the way, I got the direct answer from the crosspost, I mentioned earlier.) On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Errr, you know you can write your reports in Writer rather than in Base? It gives a lot more flexibility that way. You 'just' need to connect your Writer document to the database. Errr, that is where i get stuck though as i don't know how to do that yet! :( With database programs in general it is best practice to build Forms and Reports from Queries, rather than directly from Tables, because it gives more flexibility and makes it easier to fix if/when accidents happen (such as the back-end suddenly vanishes making the Forms freak out) or when the table needs to grow or change. A Query can be a simple as show all the data from the Table. Obviously the Query itself doesn't hold any of the data, it's just an abstraction so it forms a buffer between the Table and the Forms and Reports. It can be useful to have it do some filtering or sorting so that by the time the Forms or Reports are looking at the data it's all neatly sorted already. With Base a lot of weird things go wrong when using the internal back-end to hold the data in the Tables. It is really designed to be used with an external back-end. This makes it highly scalable. There are a lot of big, powerful back-ends such as MySql/MariaDB, PostgreSQL or smaller, lighter faster ones (although the only ones i have heard of are Java-based ones such as HsqlDB). Apparently PostgreSQL has the best support in terms of their devs supporting Base although people on this list put a lot of work into the connectors or MySql/MariaDB and they are easier to contact. Someone recently surprised me by saying that his MySql back-end was extremely fast so maybe it is good for small amounts of data too and not just large, hefty tables. There is some documentation about Base but it's slow going. The most complete is on the Faq page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq but the handbook is getting really close too now https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook That 2nd link also gives you the Base Guide's first few chapters which is a lot heftier as you will notice. Sorry that none of this directly answers your question! Hopefully others will be around soon that can help more directly Apols and regards from Tom :) From: rounak jain rounak.m...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 4:28 Subject: [libreoffice-users] entering records Three Tables: I am writing the fields in Table.FieldName format below. 1a. Customer.ID 1b. Customer.Name 2a. Invoice.ID 2b. Invoice.Customer Name 2c. Invoice.Customer ID 3a. Invoice Details.ID 3b. Invoice Details.Invoice ID 1a, 2a, 3a are all primary fields. Relationship one to many between: 1. Customer ID.ID -Invoice.Customer ID 2. Invoice.ID - Invoice Details.Invoice ID Now, in Filemaker this was the way to use the forms: Create a new Invoice (i.e. create a new record using a Form based on Invoice Table). Enter a value in the field Invoice.Customer Name (a combo box populates it with values from Customer.Name) I have been able to reach upto here in Base. This is the part where I need help: In Filemaker, the Invoice.Customer ID field used to be setup as a lookup field to auto-retrieve the Customer ID number from the Customer Table when an entry was made in Invoice.Customer Name. The obvious purpose of doing this is to link the Invoice and Customer table. I do not know how I am supposed to get this done in Base. Hope I am clear. Kindly let me know if I am not. Thank you for your time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http
Re: [libreoffice-users] entering records
2013/5/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) Errr, you know you can write your reports in Writer rather than in Base? And you can use Calc instead of Base for those tables too… he he he… Sorry, couldn't resist… Johnny Rosenberg It gives a lot more flexibility that way. You 'just' need to connect your Writer document to the database. Errr, that is where i get stuck though as i don't know how to do that yet! :( With database programs in general it is best practice to build Forms and Reports from Queries, rather than directly from Tables, because it gives more flexibility and makes it easier to fix if/when accidents happen (such as the back-end suddenly vanishes making the Forms freak out) or when the table needs to grow or change. A Query can be a simple as show all the data from the Table. Obviously the Query itself doesn't hold any of the data, it's just an abstraction so it forms a buffer between the Table and the Forms and Reports. It can be useful to have it do some filtering or sorting so that by the time the Forms or Reports are looking at the data it's all neatly sorted already. With Base a lot of weird things go wrong when using the internal back-end to hold the data in the Tables. It is really designed to be used with an external back-end. This makes it highly scalable. There are a lot of big, powerful back-ends such as MySql/MariaDB, PostgreSQL or smaller, lighter faster ones (although the only ones i have heard of are Java-based ones such as HsqlDB). Apparently PostgreSQL has the best support in terms of their devs supporting Base although people on this list put a lot of work into the connectors or MySql/MariaDB and they are easier to contact. Someone recently surprised me by saying that his MySql back-end was extremely fast so maybe it is good for small amounts of data too and not just large, hefty tables. There is some documentation about Base but it's slow going. The most complete is on the Faq page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq but the handbook is getting really close too now https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook That 2nd link also gives you the Base Guide's first few chapters which is a lot heftier as you will notice. Sorry that none of this directly answers your question! Hopefully others will be around soon that can help more directly Apols and regards from Tom :) From: rounak jain rounak.m...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 4:28 Subject: [libreoffice-users] entering records Three Tables: I am writing the fields in Table.FieldName format below. 1a. Customer.ID 1b. Customer.Name 2a. Invoice.ID 2b. Invoice.Customer Name 2c. Invoice.Customer ID 3a. Invoice Details.ID 3b. Invoice Details.Invoice ID 1a, 2a, 3a are all primary fields. Relationship one to many between: 1. Customer ID.ID -Invoice.Customer ID 2. Invoice.ID - Invoice Details.Invoice ID Now, in Filemaker this was the way to use the forms: Create a new Invoice (i.e. create a new record using a Form based on Invoice Table). Enter a value in the field Invoice.Customer Name (a combo box populates it with values from Customer.Name) I have been able to reach upto here in Base. This is the part where I need help: In Filemaker, the Invoice.Customer ID field used to be setup as a lookup field to auto-retrieve the Customer ID number from the Customer Table when an entry was made in Invoice.Customer Name. The obvious purpose of doing this is to link the Invoice and Customer table. I do not know how I am supposed to get this done in Base. Hope I am clear. Kindly let me know if I am not. Thank you for your time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] entering records
Hi :) Thanks! :) Yes, there are tons of different valid ways of going about this sort of thing. However i was suggesting a couple of improvements rather than going backwards. lol Regard from Tom :) From: Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: rounak jain rounak.m...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 9:58 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] entering records 2013/5/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) Errr, you know you can write your reports in Writer rather than in Base? And you can use Calc instead of Base for those tables too… he he he… Sorry, couldn't resist… Johnny Rosenberg It gives a lot more flexibility that way. You 'just' need to connect your Writer document to the database. Errr, that is where i get stuck though as i don't know how to do that yet! :( With database programs in general it is best practice to build Forms and Reports from Queries, rather than directly from Tables, because it gives more flexibility and makes it easier to fix if/when accidents happen (such as the back-end suddenly vanishes making the Forms freak out) or when the table needs to grow or change. A Query can be a simple as show all the data from the Table. Obviously the Query itself doesn't hold any of the data, it's just an abstraction so it forms a buffer between the Table and the Forms and Reports. It can be useful to have it do some filtering or sorting so that by the time the Forms or Reports are looking at the data it's all neatly sorted already. With Base a lot of weird things go wrong when using the internal back-end to hold the data in the Tables. It is really designed to be used with an external back-end. This makes it highly scalable. There are a lot of big, powerful back-ends such as MySql/MariaDB, PostgreSQL or smaller, lighter faster ones (although the only ones i have heard of are Java-based ones such as HsqlDB). Apparently PostgreSQL has the best support in terms of their devs supporting Base although people on this list put a lot of work into the connectors or MySql/MariaDB and they are easier to contact. Someone recently surprised me by saying that his MySql back-end was extremely fast so maybe it is good for small amounts of data too and not just large, hefty tables. There is some documentation about Base but it's slow going. The most complete is on the Faq page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq but the handbook is getting really close too now https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook That 2nd link also gives you the Base Guide's first few chapters which is a lot heftier as you will notice. Sorry that none of this directly answers your question! Hopefully others will be around soon that can help more directly Apols and regards from Tom :) From: rounak jain rounak.m...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2013, 4:28 Subject: [libreoffice-users] entering records Three Tables: I am writing the fields in Table.FieldName format below. 1a. Customer.ID 1b. Customer.Name 2a. Invoice.ID 2b. Invoice.Customer Name 2c. Invoice.Customer ID 3a. Invoice Details.ID 3b. Invoice Details.Invoice ID 1a, 2a, 3a are all primary fields. Relationship one to many between: 1. Customer ID.ID -Invoice.Customer ID 2. Invoice.ID - Invoice Details.Invoice ID Now, in Filemaker this was the way to use the forms: Create a new Invoice (i.e. create a new record using a Form based on Invoice Table). Enter a value in the field Invoice.Customer Name (a combo box populates it with values from Customer.Name) I have been able to reach upto here in Base. This is the part where I need help: In Filemaker, the Invoice.Customer ID field used to be setup as a lookup field to auto-retrieve the Customer ID number from the Customer Table when an entry was made in Invoice.Customer Name. The obvious purpose of doing this is to link the Invoice and Customer table. I do not know how I am supposed to get this done in Base. Hope I am clear. Kindly let me know if I am not. Thank you for your time. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list
