Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
On 10/31/2013 06:41 PM, Marc Grober wrote: I have rebooted and the crash on opening (the result of letting LO try to install java from software update on 10.9) of LO 4.1.2.3 has stopped. LO is now back to prompting for java (there is no access to LO itself) Tried saying yes to LO's java install via Software Update again -- this time it results in no change in behavior Am I correct here in concluding that neither Apple nor Oracle offer a 32 bit java for Mavericks and that as a result users who have updated to Mavericks will simply be barred from using LO henceforth until some unspecified time in the future? No. The Apple-provided JRE 6 supports both 32 and 64 bit. Anyone know of an office suite that works with Mavericks, lol Note that there are cases where LO works on Mavericks just fine. There are other cases where it reportedly doesn't, but without more specific data it is hard to tell why (at lest for somebody who never was able to reproduce the problem). if the problem is only in extensions, can one use the command line unopkg to lost and delete the extension causing the problem? Quoting what I wrote in the LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks) thread on this mailing list: So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is bundled in the LibreOffice installation. To do that in Finder, first make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice (aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select 'Show Package Contents', there navigate from 'Contents' to 'share' to 'extensions' and move the 'wiki-publisher' folder to the trash (or move it to some other place outside the 'extensions' folder). Then create a new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use 'Dummy') within the 'extensions' folder. When you start LibreOffice again, the problem should be gone (it might show a 'LibreOffice quit unexpectedly' dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a different story, in which case just press the 'Reopen' button). Stephan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
On 10/25/2013 08:59 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote: I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar checking or similar that uses Java. That might explain it if you experience crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it now stub). Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed (Tools - Extension Manager...)? Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first letter in Writer. (See http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.) So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is bundled in the LibreOffice installation. To do that in Finder, first make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice (aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select Show Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move it to some other place outside the extensions folder). Then create a new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy) within the extensions folder. When you start LibreOffice again, the problem should be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a different story, in which case just press the Reopen button). Note that LO 4.1.3 for Mac OS X from http://www.libreoffice.org/download comes without a bundled Wiki Publisher extension. Stephan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
Mavericks Apple Java WAS installed on my machine before LO was invoked, so it was not simply a matter of Java not being on the machine at the time of the invocation if Apple supplies as before 32 and 64 bit Java. How did anyone at LO argue that LO would work under Mavericks if using a JVM crashes LO? Under what circumstances will LO NOT crash if Use JVM is selected prior to upgrade? And if the devs knew that Mavericks would cause LO to crash over a week ago, why wasn't that published clearly? In my case Java was repeatedly installed after the LO problem, with no impact on LO LO blew up even if one started the product by opening a calc file; one did not have to open write and enter any keystrokes -- by blew up I mean that the app simply disappears and generates no crash or error report. It does so starting from command line or gui -- in any event my case indicates that the problem IS NOT limited to entering text It will still crash any time you access Zotero, though I now have it stable enough that I can otherwise use it so, at present, Zotero plugin will not work with LO because Zotero, no matter the java supplied to the OS, will not recognize it. I started a new thread because the existing one seemed to be slipping sideways :-) On 11/1/13, 1:24 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 10/25/2013 08:59 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote: I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar checking or similar that uses Java. That might explain it if you experience crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it now stub). Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed (Tools - Extension Manager...)? Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first letter in Writer. (See http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.) So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is bundled in the LibreOffice installation. To do that in Finder, first make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice (aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select Show Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move it to some other place outside the extensions folder). Then create a new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy) within the extensions folder. When you start LibreOffice again, the problem should be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a different story, in which case just press the Reopen button). Note that LO 4.1.3 for Mac OS X from http://www.libreoffice.org/download comes without a bundled Wiki Publisher extension. Stephan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote: I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar checking or similar that uses Java. That might explain it if you experience crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it now stub). Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed (Tools - Extension Manager...)? Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first letter in Writer. (See http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.) So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is bundled in the LibreOffice installation. To do that in Finder, first make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice (aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select Show Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move it to some other place outside the extensions folder). Then create a new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy) within the extensions folder. When you start LibreOffice again, the problem should be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a different story, in which case just press the Reopen button). Stephan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
Alex, Ouch! Any idea what failed, so as the rest of us can avoid it? ;-) I'd been looking at a Mavericks upgrade on a late model MacMini I've been playing with. None the less good luck with recovery! Stuart From: Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:35 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks) On 23/10/2013 18:31, Ken Springer wrote: Alex, apologies for the cynicism, but they could have gotten a developer's preview version of Mavericks before it was released. I have two commercial programs installed here that did just that, so they could have their software ready for the Mavericks release. I doubt money would have been an issue, anyone upgrading to Mavericks gets the new OS for free. Well my upgrade to Mavericks hosed my MacMini OSX 10.8.5 installation and the hard disk on which it was installed, to the extent that the installation would not complete, the system would not reboot, and the disk could not even be repaired - now that's what I call a professionally made OS, thanks Apple ;-) Will now have to see if TimeMachine did the backups properly... Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
Hi :) Well found!! Thanks for sharing that fix. it's a bit weird to have something like that enabled by default but i guess it is quite useful for a lot of people. Personally i do all my wiki-editing either directly in the page's built-in editor but occasionally copypaste into GEdit or something. Word made me suspicious of using a word-processor for that sort of thing and i've never tried Writer for it. Regards from Tom :) On 25 October 2013 07:59, Stephan Bergmann sberg...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote: I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar checking or similar that uses Java. That might explain it if you experience crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it now stub). Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed (Tools - Extension Manager...)? Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first letter in Writer. (See http://lists.freedesktop.org/** archives/libreoffice/2013-**October/056991.htmlhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.) So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is bundled in the LibreOffice installation. To do that in Finder, first make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice (aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select Show Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move it to some other place outside the extensions folder). Then create a new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy) within the extensions folder. When you start LibreOffice again, the problem should be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a different story, in which case just press the Reopen button). Stephan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
Hi :) Actually it is probably better to just switch Java off. Chances are that you are not really using it anyway so you can avoid these sorts of issues just by switching it off Tools - Options - Advanced ? and UNtick the box at the very top that asks if you want to use the broken mess of Oracle coding that we lovingly call Java and that Homeland Security have apparently warned companies to stop using. If you really are using Java then you will just get an error message at some point in the future at which point you just re-tick the box. Not much of a problem. LibreOffice used to have quite a lot of Java in it's code but that has almost entirely been written out or converted to Python or C++ which are a LOT more stable and far less dependant on the whims of a single profit-making company. At some point Oracle will probably release a Professional or Enterprise version of Java which will fix most of the problems that Java currently has but it's not clear how much they would charge or what licensing they would use. So far they seem to have been following a good strategy for turning something from being free into making it profitable although it'/s not clear whether that was their intention or whether they really are incompetent at producing secure coding. (just my own opinion) About 6 months - 1 year ago there was a report saying that only around 12% of LibreOffice's code was still in java and most of that was in wizards that almost no-one ever uses. That 12% will probably have shrunk quite drastically. Java also sometimes gets used is when using Base with it's internal back-end (which is possibly the worst way of using Base right now). Generally start with that but then swiftly move the data tables into something like MySql (Oracle's again), MariaDB (doesn't work on Macs apparently), Postgresql or one of the tiny fast back-ends fro smaller databases. There is work going on to switch to a more recent version of a different database program for the internal back-end and that should be a huge improvement. The only other place Java gets used is a lot of the Accessibility stuff such as screen-readers. Sadly there is no way around that one :( We are hoping that a ton of coding gets pulled in from external sources to massively improve accessibility. There are people working on the accessibility stuff so if you have Java for that they might be able to help but their fixes might not be relevant for other users. Regards from Tom :) On 23 October 2013 10:05, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/10/2013 12:47, S o H o N Y C wrote: Hi, my copy of LibreOffice 4.1.2 keeps crashing as soon as I start editing a text document. It keeps asking for Java Runtime SE 6.0 even though it is installed already. Any ideas of a fix? maybe 4.1.3 RC1 can help? Thanks in advance for your response Currently, LO is released as a 32bit program on Mac OSX and consequently requires a 32bit Java VM. Mountain Lion provides both 32bit and 64bit versions of JVM, but I have no idea whether Maverick still continues to provide that 32bit version of the Apple supplied JVM. Additionally, there may simply be as yet undiscovered bugs in LO with regard to Maverick. As far as I know, no one on the Mac dev team is building LO on OSX Maverick (hardly surprising as it was only officially released yesterday ?). It is possible to obtain test releases of LO for the 64bit architecture, but these are considered works in progress. Look for the OSX daily builds with the x86_64 tag, there used to be at least one machine producing them. My own-built 64bit developer builds seem to work mostly OK, but I haven't made the switch to Maverick yet. Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
