Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/01/15 11:16, Brian Barker wrote: So you mean that you give them the information that you are prepared to be dishonest? Some sites that request that information, have a note buried somewhere that they _expect_ people to give inaccurate answers. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUuuvFAAoJEE1PKy9+kxpl4CYQAIkNj8QvwHNBYBQJytFMlCFq qCs1FXPYHMQMJJRljZmeiqMBVosk+d6ifxOMrJVcuu5S6zK6iZ6ZJAvQ1t+SPB3F 6iqDKCAJR6RsnT+Uo6e3kxlppC7EXLlNoeZ8HYOmjXm/dIX36VKm1XEokZTIAvgr hC+fZLYPJhjtNkfzj/ucN4lO/MO+IDnHDp08BRYjAz3bZMhlxH3CU7lLUpSeSzmj O0Jp7Ty/OS0tEXEgd+KbHMGeg4EiZOKbbvC/SPdlZL4hK6xrmQ3vL2kqRCmNl5qG 0IKMNEU1QXqhDiLNAZWStU5izEs1TymTDCKLr8kNrzsiIF6PfvBEd1Zs5ANGC4zS tuy0QU5BO81/ooXu5WS9o4U85NiT5qDpS03Y0SGvH8aWBHQlqd8ijrdLKrcF8+pE ZC0seu3TkVUYqLuF7glD4O+VzQhBICyvgJCMO00GFmlohiREh5JuOjOk3m5SLYQy KH/f1EsEZfGnDOFV8V1mk0N6MCWMCwOorBDmpktz4mSdWaja/W/rjTLaTPU4QmJs mGetz+O1lE7oLQemDx0zoFGrP/G8+qj1f7CN3HboxFIwJsWCG8ZTQTl/Nqfv1x5N lB85M6Z2EOCFZO1eXaBPafmri4r6f2IAzWffu/Y7ILYAA43Gm7y4nQVfvjcFMYZC Qs/J1/pYyes0MFufvjJe =9RBa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/01/15 13:27, Alan B wrote: I'm not familiar with a forum like that (esp the no registration, no passwords part). I've come across a couple of forums that meet those two specifications. They either are spam havens, of the moderators work 7/24/365 approving messages that are posted to them. Either way, I don't see that as a viable option for LibO support. ### What I think is needed, though I am not sure how to implement it, is: # Supplementary Documentation: * PDFs that contain solutions to specific, frequently encountered issues; * PDFs that are Basic user guides. The Documentation Team currently provides this type of documentation. # Core Documentation: * A comprehensive wiki that covers every detail of every aspect of LibO, in excruciating detail. @ There is a page that documents what each line in the source code does; @ There is a page that explains why each variable in the source code is used; @ There is a page that explains what each function in the source code is supposed to do; @ There is a page that addresses each bug filed in bugzilla; @ There is a page that provides an answer for each question posted to the AOo, LibO, and OOo mailing lists; @ There is a page for each question posted to FaceBook, Twitter, Google +, etc; @ Each article contains between 2,000 and 5,000 words; @ Each article has pointers to articles that cover specific items within the article, in greater depth; @ Each article has pointers to articles for which this article is of greater depth. Reverse-pointers, if you will. * A set of PDFs that contain the same data as the wiki, but compiled as if it is a book on the general (specific) topic; This is the hard set to write. In theory, the current documentation team could do it, but it lacks the person-power to do so. The end result is at least 10^8 pages in English, with an equivalent number for every language that LibO supports. As a practical matter, everything in the supplementary documentation should also be in the core documentation. The major difference being that the the supplementary documentation is independently written, and, if appropriate, that content is ported to the wiki, rather than from the wiki. The secondary content is original, constructed with minimal referencing of the wiki. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUuwPxAAoJEE1PKy9+kxplolsP/jgkNGdHHfG6kzrz02N02Ciq aULyWmSM4z8YxiRcAdYshAoFDUiagrOvt6INUGul8USEEroMfYIGX4+EdV2dfAiu YqBj1mmhAm31VgAqLUOB8bXqkWItB1Qlc8yHqtTGyVlOSL9kY443oQsBngL0mQub 9yQa6hZT7Aeypwuu0uDDrPwtFeA/bzW+W5FozktxtssGVGwQ6tD4zS4HiLKOPijc Xbw+liFqe/Zr2t7DlHYT0hmDJHYMmCS6ELynEgtdJpO9A9DVgj5aWG43IwKEv8yn pTOmFZiDK2uSo5qu07J8ozWo3aYp2E8ebPACcyPczSAHnczPp5+uRZtNMibjjMEQ Tn12VBMSGC8v4KmIOciKjLZle1qWYyLMvgZio8gdGOEfVFKWjg9b0OEB7+FFwckF X29og83fUQQNjx5xr7MF2KEQZhAw5sQwq5QmpjThsBwC1BcLnDq4WtIR+Zq/hwWN ijVpBMBBk3srf6vxQYS3qQ56UBOegal9iY8sWMTieZqiwS1sPu8OukYCYRXjHPhx tJ43Wq/FS+59rsZM6ihJKs+VfUKpa4SFuUX+p8GGyQzZBIbsPFyL05RSF+ULE5Zi XFc1CvwBE4rtO4BTJXHASgC6/b+YiEtgSuwxVaKMNEPN0vFjMl92OVov4hWtd7pK 2JA5Wb334dXr2qtb3cRt =+D+l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
Hi :) When websites ask for my DoB i use a fake one. I try to use the same fake one for all websites to make it easier to remember. Similarly with other bits of private information. Regards from Tom :) On 15 January 2015 at 18:35, Rob Jasper r...@famjasper.nl wrote: Please keep the 'old' stuff also. I am worried about privacy and therefore I do not have a facebook account (and in fact I almost don't have any accounts on more or less public things like that). So, fully changing to whatever new things is in my opinion not a good idea. Any system which requires information that has nothing to do with the service they provide (e.g. birth date, place of birth, address, etc.) is a privacy hazard.. Op 15 jan. 2015, om 19:07 heeft dave boland het volgende geschreven: The problem with gmane.org is that I can't seem to append to a thread. I can follow the thread, so it is somewhat helpful. What is easy and convenient? I thought I answered that. Quick to do, no reistration, no passwords, able to see the appends in a thred like newsgroups do, the abbility to append to a thread. I have lost track of all the user id's and passwords for support web sites. I just won't use them any longer. So if the LO team can make facebook easy to find relevant info, quick to use, intuitive, no passwords or registration, then go for it. If on the other hand they are just following the latest thing, then forget it. In the end, the support solution needs to fit the users needs, not just be cool. Dave, On Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 02:44 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Le Thu, 15 Jan 2015 03:40:03 +, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/15 21:49, dave boland wrote: Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? What do you consider to be _easy_ and _convenient_? that new groups are considered old fashioned, but they work very well, If new groups is a typo for newsgroups, then gmane.org is what you are looking for. If new groups means something else, then clarify what is meant. Just to be abundantly clear: this list alongside other lists of LibreOffice.org are available as newsgroups on gmane.org Best, - -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIVAwUBVLdvw36ia1m3mLTjAQLkIQ/+O1ngQJv8A8GXcKI2dhFvPhfJz+eqR5Aq klmRqGApOxZbt/sLf9sY8DHz7G5TbYilaISaW6nUaX3YqMg4GJynh67wk9qutFew sLT8kXFzaHX4uWkhygKyKm647lZwbGZm5nRXfIy6wQXqz9RDQxyVN/V018fad6eG fSrOORTKmQLHv1K6xLZiEKG6IDjITJ3RyW7r7ia8ApjsOjtzvqoI20isn38tNCFm LC0Mu6E3i1jV6QVSiq+TJmZoh0lnFw9IjG+Kk7BHcuzPdZb9Py/wi15VkpHN7SXV dWdeJY8vE+6fCIWK+U2ngGKiUGuF6ZLaRt7Wi63Ea1BKodv2HBRre8QCrPqwu8tv jnC2LR+qHjRBLFkYXd/+lYkhWf7kbvYpJNsWaKCu6cQql3cn5f7Sv2/tYooe8DN4 pfdEG/5ZcMU9tymHXDhYTZYw/5/fFYQtA50CDg/GDeBxkYJefjfQdsKxqELsw3x7 q5YOMDKZjbtOV1D/RXLV9ZWfNCamtcG4vH3b/8R3QQqEvrnFDxrTH1s+BmuiR03K WIQZIiVgc1KT4weSMb+0LpBu3MOxZL2D350nOZn8gfv2lBlv2420ABlLdgJu4Pc1 uTSLtp+H5vz/av/qrqY30CMl2Sh0ffCVZdUhpdPFY3ioB+uwNXNWDmZ0BDl1UCnL Xwp/KuNtzjI= =byES -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
At 08:29 16/01/2015 +, Tom Davies wrote: When websites ask for my DoB i use a fake one. I try to use the same fake one for all websites to make it easier to remember. Similarly with other bits of private information. So you mean that you give them the information that you are prepared to be dishonest? I should have thought that you would want to keep that information even more private! ;^) Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:07 PM, dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm wrote: What is easy and convenient? I thought I answered that. Quick to do, no reistration, no passwords, able to see the appends in a thred like Yes, you did say that before. I'm not familiar with a forum like that (esp the no registration, no passwords part). The description seemed like a requirements spec for a product design. I thought you may have specific forum in mind or examples. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
The problem with gmane.org is that I can't seem to append to a thread. I can follow the thread, so it is somewhat helpful. What is easy and convenient? I thought I answered that. Quick to do, no reistration, no passwords, able to see the appends in a thred like newsgroups do, the abbility to append to a thread. I have lost track of all the user id's and passwords for support web sites. I just won't use them any longer. So if the LO team can make facebook easy to find relevant info, quick to use, intuitive, no passwords or registration, then go for it. If on the other hand they are just following the latest thing, then forget it. In the end, the support solution needs to fit the users needs, not just be cool. Dave, On Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 02:44 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Le Thu, 15 Jan 2015 03:40:03 +, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/15 21:49, dave boland wrote: Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? What do you consider to be _easy_ and _convenient_? that new groups are considered old fashioned, but they work very well, If new groups is a typo for newsgroups, then gmane.org is what you are looking for. If new groups means something else, then clarify what is meant. Just to be abundantly clear: this list alongside other lists of LibreOffice.org are available as newsgroups on gmane.org Best, - -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIVAwUBVLdvw36ia1m3mLTjAQLkIQ/+O1ngQJv8A8GXcKI2dhFvPhfJz+eqR5Aq klmRqGApOxZbt/sLf9sY8DHz7G5TbYilaISaW6nUaX3YqMg4GJynh67wk9qutFew sLT8kXFzaHX4uWkhygKyKm647lZwbGZm5nRXfIy6wQXqz9RDQxyVN/V018fad6eG fSrOORTKmQLHv1K6xLZiEKG6IDjITJ3RyW7r7ia8ApjsOjtzvqoI20isn38tNCFm LC0Mu6E3i1jV6QVSiq+TJmZoh0lnFw9IjG+Kk7BHcuzPdZb9Py/wi15VkpHN7SXV dWdeJY8vE+6fCIWK+U2ngGKiUGuF6ZLaRt7Wi63Ea1BKodv2HBRre8QCrPqwu8tv jnC2LR+qHjRBLFkYXd/+lYkhWf7kbvYpJNsWaKCu6cQql3cn5f7Sv2/tYooe8DN4 pfdEG/5ZcMU9tymHXDhYTZYw/5/fFYQtA50CDg/GDeBxkYJefjfQdsKxqELsw3x7 q5YOMDKZjbtOV1D/RXLV9ZWfNCamtcG4vH3b/8R3QQqEvrnFDxrTH1s+BmuiR03K WIQZIiVgc1KT4weSMb+0LpBu3MOxZL2D350nOZn8gfv2lBlv2420ABlLdgJu4Pc1 uTSLtp+H5vz/av/qrqY30CMl2Sh0ffCVZdUhpdPFY3ioB+uwNXNWDmZ0BDl1UCnL Xwp/KuNtzjI= =byES -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
Please keep the 'old' stuff also. I am worried about privacy and therefore I do not have a facebook account (and in fact I almost don't have any accounts on more or less public things like that). So, fully changing to whatever new things is in my opinion not a good idea. Any system which requires information that has nothing to do with the service they provide (e.g. birth date, place of birth, address, etc.) is a privacy hazard.. Op 15 jan. 2015, om 19:07 heeft dave boland het volgende geschreven: The problem with gmane.org is that I can't seem to append to a thread. I can follow the thread, so it is somewhat helpful. What is easy and convenient? I thought I answered that. Quick to do, no reistration, no passwords, able to see the appends in a thred like newsgroups do, the abbility to append to a thread. I have lost track of all the user id's and passwords for support web sites. I just won't use them any longer. So if the LO team can make facebook easy to find relevant info, quick to use, intuitive, no passwords or registration, then go for it. If on the other hand they are just following the latest thing, then forget it. In the end, the support solution needs to fit the users needs, not just be cool. Dave, On Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 02:44 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Le Thu, 15 Jan 2015 03:40:03 +, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/15 21:49, dave boland wrote: Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? What do you consider to be _easy_ and _convenient_? that new groups are considered old fashioned, but they work very well, If new groups is a typo for newsgroups, then gmane.org is what you are looking for. If new groups means something else, then clarify what is meant. Just to be abundantly clear: this list alongside other lists of LibreOffice.org are available as newsgroups on gmane.org Best, - -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIVAwUBVLdvw36ia1m3mLTjAQLkIQ/+O1ngQJv8A8GXcKI2dhFvPhfJz+eqR5Aq klmRqGApOxZbt/sLf9sY8DHz7G5TbYilaISaW6nUaX3YqMg4GJynh67wk9qutFew sLT8kXFzaHX4uWkhygKyKm647lZwbGZm5nRXfIy6wQXqz9RDQxyVN/V018fad6eG fSrOORTKmQLHv1K6xLZiEKG6IDjITJ3RyW7r7ia8ApjsOjtzvqoI20isn38tNCFm LC0Mu6E3i1jV6QVSiq+TJmZoh0lnFw9IjG+Kk7BHcuzPdZb9Py/wi15VkpHN7SXV dWdeJY8vE+6fCIWK+U2ngGKiUGuF6ZLaRt7Wi63Ea1BKodv2HBRre8QCrPqwu8tv jnC2LR+qHjRBLFkYXd/+lYkhWf7kbvYpJNsWaKCu6cQql3cn5f7Sv2/tYooe8DN4 pfdEG/5ZcMU9tymHXDhYTZYw/5/fFYQtA50CDg/GDeBxkYJefjfQdsKxqELsw3x7 q5YOMDKZjbtOV1D/RXLV9ZWfNCamtcG4vH3b/8R3QQqEvrnFDxrTH1s+BmuiR03K WIQZIiVgc1KT4weSMb+0LpBu3MOxZL2D350nOZn8gfv2lBlv2420ABlLdgJu4Pc1 uTSLtp+H5vz/av/qrqY30CMl2Sh0ffCVZdUhpdPFY3ioB+uwNXNWDmZ0BDl1UCnL Xwp/KuNtzjI= =byES -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
hello Rob, we are expanding our suppprt options, not changing them in any way. As always it is important to remind everyone that all this is only possible through the help of volunteers. If you are interested please let us know. Thanks, Charles. On 15 janvier 2015 19:35:42 CET, Rob Jasper r...@famjasper.nl wrote: Please keep the 'old' stuff also. I am worried about privacy and therefore I do not have a facebook account (and in fact I almost don't have any accounts on more or less public things like that). So, fully changing to whatever new things is in my opinion not a good idea. Any system which requires information that has nothing to do with the service they provide (e.g. birth date, place of birth, address, etc.) is a privacy hazard.. Op 15 jan. 2015, om 19:07 heeft dave boland het volgende geschreven: The problem with gmane.org is that I can't seem to append to a thread. I can follow the thread, so it is somewhat helpful. What is easy and convenient? I thought I answered that. Quick to do, no reistration, no passwords, able to see the appends in a thred like newsgroups do, the abbility to append to a thread. I have lost track of all the user id's and passwords for support web sites. I just won't use them any longer. So if the LO team can make facebook easy to find relevant info, quick to use, intuitive, no passwords or registration, then go for it. If on the other hand they are just following the latest thing, then forget it. In the end, the support solution needs to fit the users needs, not just be cool. Dave, On Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 02:44 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Le Thu, 15 Jan 2015 03:40:03 +, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/15 21:49, dave boland wrote: Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? What do you consider to be _easy_ and _convenient_? that new groups are considered old fashioned, but they work very well, If new groups is a typo for newsgroups, then gmane.org is what you are looking for. If new groups means something else, then clarify what is meant. Just to be abundantly clear: this list alongside other lists of LibreOffice.org are available as newsgroups on gmane.org Best, - -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIVAwUBVLdvw36ia1m3mLTjAQLkIQ/+O1ngQJv8A8GXcKI2dhFvPhfJz+eqR5Aq klmRqGApOxZbt/sLf9sY8DHz7G5TbYilaISaW6nUaX3YqMg4GJynh67wk9qutFew sLT8kXFzaHX4uWkhygKyKm647lZwbGZm5nRXfIy6wQXqz9RDQxyVN/V018fad6eG fSrOORTKmQLHv1K6xLZiEKG6IDjITJ3RyW7r7ia8ApjsOjtzvqoI20isn38tNCFm LC0Mu6E3i1jV6QVSiq+TJmZoh0lnFw9IjG+Kk7BHcuzPdZb9Py/wi15VkpHN7SXV dWdeJY8vE+6fCIWK+U2ngGKiUGuF6ZLaRt7Wi63Ea1BKodv2HBRre8QCrPqwu8tv jnC2LR+qHjRBLFkYXd/+lYkhWf7kbvYpJNsWaKCu6cQql3cn5f7Sv2/tYooe8DN4 pfdEG/5ZcMU9tymHXDhYTZYw/5/fFYQtA50CDg/GDeBxkYJefjfQdsKxqELsw3x7 q5YOMDKZjbtOV1D/RXLV9ZWfNCamtcG4vH3b/8R3QQqEvrnFDxrTH1s+BmuiR03K WIQZIiVgc1KT4weSMb+0LpBu3MOxZL2D350nOZn8gfv2lBlv2420ABlLdgJu4Pc1 uTSLtp+H5vz/av/qrqY30CMl2Sh0ffCVZdUhpdPFY3ioB+uwNXNWDmZ0BDl1UCnL Xwp/KuNtzjI= =byES -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:49 PM, dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm wrote: I'm more than a little frustrated/angry at the support options for LO. Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? I get Dave, I think easy and convenient is pretty much in the eye of the beholder. Can you say what you feel meets that criteria? I use the mail list and find it quite satisfactory. Only use the mail list interactively from my pc. I do browse it on my smartphone and will do deletions there. Replies are always on the pc. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
On 14/01/15 21:49, dave boland wrote: All, I'm more than a little frustrated/angry at the support options for LO. The choice seems to be between: * A web interface that requires a log on to yet another service I don't have or want to have. * A Nabble interface that requires registration and one of those damn captia codes that NEVER work. * An e-mail interface that clogs my reader. Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? I get that new groups are considered old fashioned, but they work very well, and are easy to use (even by kids on cell phones). Open to suggestions, but I don't think moving to the next hot thing is the answer unless it is easy to use. My 2 cents anyway. Dave, There's a twitter account. https://twitter.com/libreofficehelp Most people under the age of thirty don't know what newsgroups are, or how to access them. IMHO there's no point in using obsolete media. You can subscribe to a daily digest instead of individual emails -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Le Thu, 15 Jan 2015 03:40:03 +, jonathon toki.kant...@gmail.com a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/15 21:49, dave boland wrote: Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? What do you consider to be _easy_ and _convenient_? that new groups are considered old fashioned, but they work very well, If new groups is a typo for newsgroups, then gmane.org is what you are looking for. If new groups means something else, then clarify what is meant. Just to be abundantly clear: this list alongside other lists of LibreOffice.org are available as newsgroups on gmane.org Best, - -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint Mobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 24. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIVAwUBVLdvw36ia1m3mLTjAQLkIQ/+O1ngQJv8A8GXcKI2dhFvPhfJz+eqR5Aq klmRqGApOxZbt/sLf9sY8DHz7G5TbYilaISaW6nUaX3YqMg4GJynh67wk9qutFew sLT8kXFzaHX4uWkhygKyKm647lZwbGZm5nRXfIy6wQXqz9RDQxyVN/V018fad6eG fSrOORTKmQLHv1K6xLZiEKG6IDjITJ3RyW7r7ia8ApjsOjtzvqoI20isn38tNCFm LC0Mu6E3i1jV6QVSiq+TJmZoh0lnFw9IjG+Kk7BHcuzPdZb9Py/wi15VkpHN7SXV dWdeJY8vE+6fCIWK+U2ngGKiUGuF6ZLaRt7Wi63Ea1BKodv2HBRre8QCrPqwu8tv jnC2LR+qHjRBLFkYXd/+lYkhWf7kbvYpJNsWaKCu6cQql3cn5f7Sv2/tYooe8DN4 pfdEG/5ZcMU9tymHXDhYTZYw/5/fFYQtA50CDg/GDeBxkYJefjfQdsKxqELsw3x7 q5YOMDKZjbtOV1D/RXLV9ZWfNCamtcG4vH3b/8R3QQqEvrnFDxrTH1s+BmuiR03K WIQZIiVgc1KT4weSMb+0LpBu3MOxZL2D350nOZn8gfv2lBlv2420ABlLdgJu4Pc1 uTSLtp+H5vz/av/qrqY30CMl2Sh0ffCVZdUhpdPFY3ioB+uwNXNWDmZ0BDl1UCnL Xwp/KuNtzjI= =byES -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Support options
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/01/15 21:49, dave boland wrote: Can't we find a way to offer support that is easy and convenient? What do you consider to be _easy_ and _convenient_? that new groups are considered old fashioned, but they work very well, If new groups is a typo for newsgroups, then gmane.org is what you are looking for. If new groups means something else, then clarify what is meant. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUtzaLAAoJEE1PKy9+kxpl5kwP/jOTOzVczYRReVrYeg/O0sOs rJZmKtB9VSqPJqZi4Cw2nCuQbRrzf1FLHaSx9/BWsk/7PG21zEbkqLxghmXP2ak7 y8O4fnm8Uq9QwyA5ggEuZldjEKEMOXebkJA7PPzRgqxbPmZEWeGv7NhHYTwoDwrP G8tFxsvMPTAowzDf7huvf4vI2saYHP6CSVUlnmZNovByYFX4Yyr8uqBFkKMDk54P FXqrQ0SgiPwrdWATkkQOX5/IHhqDzN0Pn9Rg6RnSXhAgt1oyHwytqbZXNYDBRZmi h3RgJTXMB+nOvxtVtH2zZpOA51yuffnUK1yJtRJLY9lo2mqtQPqMeefJOugUiyLU TQha1TZ1nNTYSwiRJGvDvte314ta7FlHQplWMQvDAYMlX/z1xao4HUL8HEKu0MNe jg84qzGctyX2b+QjnrRYVypRfk3o4E2Y+5iU8kWJ6irKBRk+ameFW8PBM3U0nJzg MR3MIr4KKVf9ool7WWqKD1BlxC0rJncglSRV48xjh8ip/2Fiavus6uTuZBe0NHNu KbZ7NP6HXLBCh9sol0ODAqCKDuJPbi+6q0FHpwq3v4CLp0t10ZuP+7afnrCxKmA+ wKadh1V5jcqVeBrpuEc5FmPswqfEI7ij4v+gz/TD0fjRxJ8RCp4bgDn8nb/WoOoC q8/LXbrZ3J5JWmsShxGv =errp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
