Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
Hi Gary, Le 12/02/2015 11:33, Gary Collins a écrit : Hi, Hopefully an easy question for someone :-) How to I turn off auto-generation of list entries (preferably without altering any other settings? I generally tend to find this feature a pain in the proverbials, and would much rather apply list formatting, etc using styles, after a document (or section of a document) has been completed. The problem really came to a head yesterday, when I was writing up some notes on language, and made some table headings (not an actual table, but one made manually using tabs) using M. F. N. (for masculine, feminine, neuter). LO completely reinterpreted this, and, when I pressed 'enter,' made it into the first entry of a list, supposing it to be the Roman numeral M, and inserting MI at the beginning of the new line. I was unable to find a way to eradicate this effectively, and had to stop what I was doing as a result. I looked in options and I looked in preferences but couldn't see a way to turn off this behaviour. There was nothing in the paragraph style that I could see that should cause this behaviour. (IMO, this behaviour should be restricted to styles which are designated for lists). This FAQ may help you https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/025 Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
Hi :) I don't seem to be able to get the (wrong) results as described. I'm attaching a quick little simple example file to give a few examples of what it sounds like you are doing - and a table method. Obviously i have missed something from the description so hopefully you'll be able to clarify what you are doing. On the other hand maybe my file might be free of formatting issues and prove useful in getting the task done. If that's the case i might upload it to Nabble so that other people can use it but i haven't done anything particularly special so i doubt it's going to help in this way. When any word-processor behaves badly i find it helps to start a fresh new document and use the default format for original versions of the file. Then i might maybe create copies in other formats for other people to use but at the moment i am beginning to find an increasing number of people seem increasingly happy with ODF. A lot of people seem to open an old document and then use that to create new documents but that way tons of hidden formatting codes and stuff seem to lurk and sometimes do some really odd things. I once found a document that seemed to have traces indicating it had started as a Word Perfect document and at some point been through Apple systems and Word. CopyPasting as unformatted text into a fresh new document got rid of all sorts of weird problems. Writer doesn't seem to generate lists in the way described, at least not for me. Calc does, of course, but i usually have to select 3-4 cells and then drag. So i am not sure what is going on. Regards from Tom :) On 12 February 2015 at 10:49, Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Sophie, Thanks for the link; yes, I looked at that menu as well, but couldn't see anything pertinent to generation of list entries. Perhaps I have a blind spot? /Gary From: Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2015, 10:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists? Hi Gary, Le 12/02/2015 11:33, Gary Collins a écrit : Hi, Hopefully an easy question for someone :-) How to I turn off auto-generation of list entries (preferably without altering any other settings? I generally tend to find this feature a pain in the proverbials, and would much rather apply list formatting, etc using styles, after a document (or section of a document) has been completed. The problem really came to a head yesterday, when I was writing up some notes on language, and made some table headings (not an actual table, but one made manually using tabs) using M. F. N. (for masculine, feminine, neuter). LO completely reinterpreted this, and, when I pressed 'enter,' made it into the first entry of a list, supposing it to be the Roman numeral M, and inserting MI at the beginning of the new line. I was unable to find a way to eradicate this effectively, and had to stop what I was doing as a result. I looked in options and I looked in preferences but couldn't see a way to turn off this behaviour. There was nothing in the paragraph style that I could see that should cause this behaviour. (IMO, this behaviour should be restricted to styles which are designated for lists). This FAQ may help you https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/025 Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
Hi Sophie, Thanks for the link; yes, I looked at that menu as well, but couldn't see anything pertinent to generation of list entries. Perhaps I have a blind spot? /Gary From: Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2015, 10:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists? Hi Gary, Le 12/02/2015 11:33, Gary Collins a écrit : Hi, Hopefully an easy question for someone :-) How to I turn off auto-generation of list entries (preferably without altering any other settings? I generally tend to find this feature a pain in the proverbials, and would much rather apply list formatting, etc using styles, after a document (or section of a document) has been completed. The problem really came to a head yesterday, when I was writing up some notes on language, and made some table headings (not an actual table, but one made manually using tabs) using M. F. N. (for masculine, feminine, neuter). LO completely reinterpreted this, and, when I pressed 'enter,' made it into the first entry of a list, supposing it to be the Roman numeral M, and inserting MI at the beginning of the new line. I was unable to find a way to eradicate this effectively, and had to stop what I was doing as a result. I looked in options and I looked in preferences but couldn't see a way to turn off this behaviour. There was nothing in the paragraph style that I could see that should cause this behaviour. (IMO, this behaviour should be restricted to styles which are designated for lists). This FAQ may help you https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/025 Kind regards Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
Hi :) There are various different layers of hidden codes. Ctrl A, Delete only gets rid of a few of them. Some can be seen by pressing the backwards sort of double-struck P in the toolbar icons. This shows non-printing characters, such as tabs and end-of-paragraphs, that don't get printed out. These are the ones that get deleted by Ctrl A, delete. If you poke around with a hex-editor or get even further (well, slightly further) down into the 1s and 0s (with a side-bar or something to see the ascii characters) then you see all sorts of weird characters, most of which are incomprehensible to almost anyone but some are human-readable and show things such as names, systems, occasionally even addresses and phone numbers from ancient times. I think some of the incomprehensible ones are the ones doing screwey things. Yeh, Windows tries to avoid letting people develop good habits and tries to push them into bad ones. One of my favs was Microsoft saying you should never accept cookies and never turn your anti-virus off for anything. Then their own website asked you to accept cookies and to install anything from them they would tell you to turn off your anti-virus. However if you did so and ran into troubles then 'experts' would blame the user for obviously bad habits and ignoring security issues. One wonders why people are so surprised that Windows so frequently runs into problems and is so open to malware and attacks. Regards from Tom :) On 12 February 2015 at 12:54, Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Tom, A lot of people seem to open an old document and then use that to create new documents [sometimes that's the easiest way in windows] but that way tons of hidden formatting codes and stuff seem to lurk and sometimes do some really odd things. [I'd have thought that selecting all with Ctrl-A and hitting del or backspace should remove everything? perhaps not?] CopyPasting as unformatted text into a fresh new document got rid of all sorts of weird problems. [I'll try that, it may well work] Writer doesn't seem to generate lists in the way described, at least not for me. Calc does, of course, but i usually have to select 3-4 cells and then drag. So i am not sure what is going on. [I've tried it here in the office with a new document, and it doesn't seem to do it here, either; so your explanation may well be right. I'm not sure if the version here and the version at home are the same, I'll check. The style in my home doc was default, and there was nothing I could find that indicated that it might be in the middle of a list. Perhaps there is a way of making formatting codes visible in a document? And deleting unwanted ones? If not, perhaps it might be a good idea if one were to be introduced? ] best, /Gary -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
At 10:33 12/02/2015 +, Gary Collins wrote: Hopefully an easy question for someone :-) Yup: so easy that there are two answers! How to I turn off auto-generation of list entries (preferably without altering any other settings? I generally tend to find this feature a pain in the proverbials, and would much rather apply list formatting, etc using styles, after a document (or section of a document) has been completed. The problem really came to a head yesterday, when I was writing up some notes on language, and made some table headings (not an actual table, but one made manually using tabs) using M. F. N. (for masculine, feminine, neuter). LO completely reinterpreted this, and, when I pressed 'enter,'Â made it into the first entry of a list, supposing it to be the Roman numeral M, and inserting MI at the beginning of the new line. I was unable to find a way to eradicate this effectively, and had to stop what I was doing as a result. Always think of keeping the facility and dealing it with it piecemeal when it happens. The action of pressing Enter to complete the first paragraph causes an automatic correction which you will notice. The correction is a separate process from the paragraph break that you actually want. So if you go *immediately* to Edit | Undo (or Ctrl+Z), you can remove the correction but retain the part you need. I looked in options and I looked in preferences but couldn't see a way to turn off this behaviour. There was nothing in the paragraph style that I could see that should cause this behaviour. If you really want to disable this correction process completely, remove the tick from Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | Apply numbering - symbol: *. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
Hi Tom, A lot of people seem to open an old document and then use that to create new documents [sometimes that's the easiest way in windows] but that way tons of hidden formatting codes and stuff seem to lurk and sometimes do some really odd things. [I'd have thought that selecting all with Ctrl-A and hitting del or backspace should remove everything? perhaps not?] CopyPasting as unformatted text into a fresh new document got rid of all sorts of weird problems. [I'll try that, it may well work] Writer doesn't seem to generate lists in the way described, at least not for me. Calc does, of course, but i usually have to select 3-4 cells and then drag. So i am not sure what is going on. [I've tried it here in the office with a new document, and it doesn't seem to do it here, either; so your explanation may well be right. I'm not sure if the version here and the version at home are the same, I'll check.The style in my home doc was default, and there was nothing I could find that indicated that it might be in the middle of a list. Perhaps there is a way of making formatting codes visible in a document? And deleting unwanted ones? If not, perhaps it might be a good idea if one were to be introduced?] best,/Gary -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2015, 13:12 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists? At 10:33 12/02/2015 +, Gary Collins wrote: Hopefully an easy question for someone :-) Yup: so easy that there are two answers! ... Always think of keeping the facility and dealing it with it piecemeal when it happens. The action of pressing Enter to complete the first paragraph causes an automatic correction which you will notice. The correction is a separate process from the paragraph break that you actually want. So if you go *immediately* to Edit | Undo (or Ctrl+Z), you can remove the correction but retain the part you need. Thanks, Brian, I'll try to remember to try that and see if it helps. I looked in options and I looked in preferences but couldn't see a way to turn off this behaviour. There was nothing in the paragraph style that I could see that should cause this behaviour. If you really want to disable this correction process completely, remove the tick from Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | Apply numbering - symbol: *. I'm pretty sure I unchecked that, and it didn't make any difference. I'd better double check, though. As I indicated in a response to another reply, it doesn't seem to work like that here in the office, in a new document. It seems that in my document at home, LO seems to think that it is in the middle of a list and responds accordingly. I really don't know. I'm going to install the latest version soon, though, and will see if that helps... I trust this helps. I hope it does! We'll have to see ;-) Brian Barker Thanks,/Gary -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
Hi :) Yes, you are doing the correct thing. So, my answer doesn't explain why you are running into the problems you are having. My advice might still have helped but more by accident than for the reasons i gave. Errr, of course LibreOffice also puts tons of stuff in that underlaying coding but i think it does a lot less than Word. Fortunately Brian has given a good answer that hopefully might help. His answer just fleshes out the answers given by other people this time but you can always rely on his answers as being well worth trying. Regards from Tom :) On 12 February 2015 at 16:12, Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: ha ha! I guess it doesn't surprise me. Thinking about it though, that's not what I normally do. What I do is to open a document, then create a new one from the filenew menu entry. This seems to me to be the best way to do it - but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I'm probably going to install the latest version very soon, so I'll see how that behaves!! Thanks, /G. From: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com To: Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2015, 13:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists? Hi :) There are various different layers of hidden codes. Ctrl A, Delete only gets rid of a few of them. Some can be seen by pressing the backwards sort of double-struck P in the toolbar icons. This shows non-printing characters, such as tabs and end-of-paragraphs, that don't get printed out. These are the ones that get deleted by Ctrl A, delete. If you poke around with a hex-editor or get even further (well, slightly further) down into the 1s and 0s (with a side-bar or something to see the ascii characters) then you see all sorts of weird characters, most of which are incomprehensible to almost anyone but some are human-readable and show things such as names, systems, occasionally even addresses and phone numbers from ancient times. I think some of the incomprehensible ones are the ones doing screwey things. Yeh, Windows tries to avoid letting people develop good habits and tries to push them into bad ones. One of my favs was Microsoft saying you should never accept cookies and never turn your anti-virus off for anything. Then their own website asked you to accept cookies and to install anything from them they would tell you to turn off your anti-virus. However if you did so and ran into troubles then 'experts' would blame the user for obviously bad habits and ignoring security issues. One wonders why people are so surprised that Windows so frequently runs into problems and is so open to malware and attacks. Regards from Tom :) On 12 February 2015 at 12:54, Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Tom, A lot of people seem to open an old document and then use that to create new documents [sometimes that's the easiest way in windows] but that way tons of hidden formatting codes and stuff seem to lurk and sometimes do some really odd things. [I'd have thought that selecting all with Ctrl-A and hitting del or backspace should remove everything? perhaps not?] CopyPasting as unformatted text into a fresh new document got rid of all sorts of weird problems. [I'll try that, it may well work] Writer doesn't seem to generate lists in the way described, at least not for me. Calc does, of course, but i usually have to select 3-4 cells and then drag. So i am not sure what is going on. [I've tried it here in the office with a new document, and it doesn't seem to do it here, either; so your explanation may well be right. I'm not sure if the version here and the version at home are the same, I'll check. The style in my home doc was default, and there was nothing I could find that indicated that it might be in the middle of a list. Perhaps there is a way of making formatting codes visible in a document? And deleting unwanted ones? If not, perhaps it might be a good idea if one were to be introduced? ] best, /Gary -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists?
ha ha!I guess it doesn't surprise me. Thinking about it though, that's not what I normally do. What I do is to open a document, then create a new one from the filenew menu entry. This seems to me to be the best way to do it - but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I'm probably going to install the latest version very soon, so I'll see how that behaves!! Thanks,/G. From: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com To: Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2015, 13:30 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: how to turn off auto-generated lists? Hi :) There are various different layers of hidden codes. Ctrl A, Delete only gets rid of a few of them. Some can be seen by pressing the backwards sort of double-struck P in the toolbar icons. This shows non-printing characters, such as tabs and end-of-paragraphs, that don't get printed out. These are the ones that get deleted by Ctrl A, delete. If you poke around with a hex-editor or get even further (well, slightly further) down into the 1s and 0s (with a side-bar or something to see the ascii characters) then you see all sorts of weird characters, most of which are incomprehensible to almost anyone but some are human-readable and show things such as names, systems, occasionally even addresses and phone numbers from ancient times. I think some of the incomprehensible ones are the ones doing screwey things. Yeh, Windows tries to avoid letting people develop good habits and tries to push them into bad ones. One of my favs was Microsoft saying you should never accept cookies and never turn your anti-virus off for anything. Then their own website asked you to accept cookies and to install anything from them they would tell you to turn off your anti-virus. However if you did so and ran into troubles then 'experts' would blame the user for obviously bad habits and ignoring security issues. One wonders why people are so surprised that Windows so frequently runs into problems and is so open to malware and attacks. Regards from Tom :) On 12 February 2015 at 12:54, Gary Collins gcatl...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Tom, A lot of people seem to open an old document and then use that to create new documents [sometimes that's the easiest way in windows] but that way tons of hidden formatting codes and stuff seem to lurk and sometimes do some really odd things. [I'd have thought that selecting all with Ctrl-A and hitting del or backspace should remove everything? perhaps not?] CopyPasting as unformatted text into a fresh new document got rid of all sorts of weird problems. [I'll try that, it may well work] Writer doesn't seem to generate lists in the way described, at least not for me. Calc does, of course, but i usually have to select 3-4 cells and then drag. So i am not sure what is going on. [I've tried it here in the office with a new document, and it doesn't seem to do it here, either; so your explanation may well be right. I'm not sure if the version here and the version at home are the same, I'll check. The style in my home doc was default, and there was nothing I could find that indicated that it might be in the middle of a list. Perhaps there is a way of making formatting codes visible in a document? And deleting unwanted ones? If not, perhaps it might be a good idea if one were to be introduced? ] best, /Gary -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
