Re: Sound not working
On Sat, 2011-12-24 at 21:33 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/24/2011 07:20 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: Got a new system today and got F16 up and running and it all seems to be in order, cept my sound. It works in windows with no problems, but not Fedora. Check this thread, because one or more of the fixes might work for you: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=272403 If not, check /boot/grub2/grub.cfg and see if your kernel has an initrd line. If not, that might be part of the issue; at least, it seems to have been for my desktop. And, in either event, you'll have problems with kernel updates until you fix it. HTH, HAND. Setting permissions, restarting pulseaudio, adding myself to audio group didn't help. And my grub.conf does have an initrd line. So I don't know what else to do at this point. Am sure there a way just have to wait for the right fix haha. Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On 12/25/2011 11:20 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: Got a new system today and got F16 up and running and it all seems to be in order, cept my sound. It works in windows with no problems, but not Fedora. Maybe not recognizing the drivers, or not being loaded or something. Below it the spec for the machine... http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03042936tmp_task=prodinfoCategorycc=usdlc=enjumpid=reg_r1002_usens-001lang=enlc=enproduct=5156979#N66 This is from lspci and the only Audio part that I can see... 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Hudson Azalia Controller (rev 01) Maybe someone can see what I need to enable/do/whatever to get it working? Could you provide the output of lsmod | grep snd? FWIW, I believe (after a tiny bit of googling) that the module snd-hda-intel.ko is used for that hardware. -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On 12/25/2011 04:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Could you provide the output of lsmod | grep snd? FWIW, I believe (after a tiny bit of googling) that the module snd-hda-intel.ko is used for that hardware. Oh, also you should check lspci -v to see if it reports any modules inuse for the device. I've got Intel and it looks like so 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 2a90 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 47 Memory at f7ff8000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [60] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Capabilities: [130] Root Complex Link Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 16:33 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Could you provide the output of lsmod | grep snd? FWIW, I believe (after a tiny bit of googling) that the module snd-hda-intel.ko is used for that hardware. [root@scrappy ~]# lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 65587 1 snd_hda_intel 26310 2 snd_hda_codec 97519 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 6891 1 snd_hda_codec snd_seq58599 0 snd_seq_device 6425 1 snd_seq snd_pcm89984 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 22199 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd71085 12 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 7124 1 snd snd_page_alloc 8061 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Hudson Azalia Controller (rev 01) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 2acd Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16 Memory at feb4 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel There ya go, see anything? Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On 12/25/2011 05:40 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 16:33 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Could you provide the output of lsmod | grep snd? FWIW, I believe (after a tiny bit of googling) that the module snd-hda-intel.ko is used for that hardware. [root@scrappy ~]# lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 65587 1 snd_hda_intel 26310 2 snd_hda_codec 97519 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 6891 1 snd_hda_codec snd_seq58599 0 snd_seq_device 6425 1 snd_seq snd_pcm89984 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 22199 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd71085 12 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 7124 1 snd snd_page_alloc 8061 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Hudson Azalia Controller (rev 01) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 2acd Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16 Memory at feb4 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel There ya go, see anything? Well, it seems everything that needs to be loaded has been loaded. One common thing that can happen is that a channel is muted. Have you checked that? I'm on KDE, and don't recall how to full check that in GNOME. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why updatedb doesn't traverse my external HD?
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 24 December 2011 12:44:58 G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: looking at the output of the mount command on F16, it lists tmpfs on /media. This is different from F14 and Gentoo, where /media is a regular directory. Thanks for pointing this out! :-) Indeed, /media is explicitly mounted, rather than being an ordinary directory under /: [root@Yoda ~]# mount | grep media tmpfs on /media type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,rootcontext=system_u:object_r:mnt_t:s0,seclabel,mode=755) /dev/sdb1 on /media/teraipo type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,seclabel,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks) the external HD is mounted as ext4 on in /media/teraipo, but /media itself is mounted(???) as tmpfs, and consequently updatedb doesn't traverse it. Look for the start up stuff that makes the mount and disable it, then /media will just be a directory. However, the USB subsystem may not properly work. Ok, after a small search I found that systemd mounts the /media directory explicitly. The relevant script is: [root@Yoda ~]# cat /lib/systemd/system/media.mount [Unit] Description=Media Directory Before=local-fs.target [Mount] What=tmpfs Where=/media Type=tmpfs Options=mode=755,nosuid,nodev,noexec It seems that this was done by design, specifically for this directory. Ok, next two questions: (1) What is the proper place to customize this configuration? I want /media to be ext4, so that it doesn't get excluded by updatedb. I know I could reconfigure the /lib/systemd/system/media.mount, but that would probably be overwritten on update or something. How are these things meant to be customized? Yup, anything in /lib/systemd could get clobbered on update. Files in /etc/systemd with the exact same name always override those in /lib, and /etc/systemd is for sysadmins only; RPM will never mess with anything there. To completely disable something in /lib, you mask it: just symlink /dev/null to an identically named file in /etc. For more information, see: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/three-levels-of-off.html So, to disable the /media mount: ln -sf /dev/null /etc/systemd/system/media.mount (2) Why is /media being mounted like this? If I reconfigure it back to ext4, is anything else going to break? For performance reasons. Since /media is intended for temporary mounts only, it's faster to keep them in memory (via tmpfs) rather than hitting the disk every time you need to look one up. When masking media.mount, /media will revert to being a directory on your root fs. So long as it has the appropriate permissions, everything will still work fine. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Giving Up On Fedora
Hi, I did not want that subject line, but am forced to. I have been writing about Fedora on Muktware and the review was massive hit -- around 80,000 reads. Users liked the review and our articles. But since now I myself am not able to run Fedora on both my machine I don't know how to write about it. I am willing to share info (error messages) with you so as to be able to use Fedora. I have been a long time Ubuntu user and decided to switch post Unity mess. I tried Fedora 16 and loved it. I installed it on both my main PC (which has Nvidia GTX 470 card) and Dell XPS. The main was stuck at boot, after first reboot and installing Nvidia drivers. Could not find a fix and started using openSUSE. Just today the Fedora on XPS also got stuck during boot and shows use systemct1 default or Ctrl D. Not able to boot into the system. I posted the issue about main PC on the forum but did not get any solution, which I totally understand as its volunteer list and not everyone may face the same problem. But since Fedora is not running on both my PCs I am in bad position. I do want to use Fedora, but due to my own technical limiations I can't. I desperately seek your help to enable me to use Fedora :( Best Swapnil Bhartiya -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Listings Question About Ping
Tim: We're mostly sensitive to green, then red, then blue. Joe Zeff: Not quite, AIUI. The wavelength the human eye is most sensitive to is in the greenish yellow range, much more yellow than green. Well, as far as coloured sight goes, the primary colours are red, green, and blue. That is, the sensors in our eyes are attuned to those colours, with a small spread either side of them. All other colours (e.g. yellow, cyan, magenta) are seen as combinations of the primaries. And the non-colour sensitive parts of our eyes see the colours in the proportions that I mentioned before, but without being able to tell which colour is which. From the point of the receptors, it is green that we see the most. If one were to draw a rainbow across a page as a graph of the sensitivity of our eyesight, there's a peak around the green, that slopes off either way, with the blue side sloping off faster than the red side. And then you have our display mechanisms, whether CRT, LCD, or other, which show colours in the same way (primaries of red, green, and blue, with all the other colours being created by combinations). You're arguing with a cameraman and television engineer, this is all very basic information to what we do. Considering that the Sun is a yellow dwarf, it's much more likely for us to find the wavelengths near and/or at its peak output to be easiest to see rather than something off to one side. It's not actually yellow. If you were going to argue the line of us being sensitive to the colour of the sun, actually it's far more logical that we're least sensitive to the strongest colours about. And for our next off-topic, do we have someone who'd like to discuss the theory of relativity for us? ;-) Makes a change from discussing why Gnome and Windows suck. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On 12/25/2011 05:55 AM, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: Hi, I did not want that subject line, but am forced to. I have been writing about Fedora on Muktware and the review was massive hit -- around 80,000 reads. Users liked the review and our articles. But since now I myself am not able to run Fedora on both my machine I don't know how to write about it. I am willing to share info (error messages) with you so as to be able to use Fedora. I have been a long time Ubuntu user and decided to switch post Unity mess. I tried Fedora 16 and loved it. I installed it on both my main PC (which has Nvidia GTX 470 card) and Dell XPS. The main was stuck at boot, after first reboot and installing Nvidia drivers. Could not find a fix and started using openSUSE. Just today the Fedora on XPS also got stuck during boot and shows use systemct1 default or Ctrl D. Not able to boot into the system. I posted the issue about main PC on the forum but did not get any solution, which I totally understand as its volunteer list and not everyone may face the same problem. But since Fedora is not running on both my PCs I am in bad position. I do want to use Fedora, but due to my own technical limiations I can't. I desperately seek your help to enable me to use Fedora :( Best Swapnil Bhartiya I faced the same problem but did not give up on Fedora. I found on nvidia.com that the 275.43 drivers which were released on 12/14/2011 work. You will need to install at runlevel3. Do not update the kernel until they get a permanent fix. Somebody helped me so if I can give back, I certainly willing. I don't know much but what little I know I will be glad to share. After all, that's what Fedora is all about. -- Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 17:52 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: One common thing that can happen is that a channel is muted. Have you checked that? I'm on KDE, and don't recall how to full check that in GNOME. This is going to sound really stupid, but are you sure your speakers are turned on? More than once I've had this happen to me (my speakers turn off if there's a power cut) and had a frustrating time until the Duh moment. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Well, it seems everything that needs to be loaded has been loaded. One common thing that can happen is that a channel is muted. Have you checked that? I'm on KDE, and don't recall how to full check that in GNOME. The best way to make sure everything's copacetic in any desktop is to use the PulseAudio Volume Control application. It knows about things none of the desktop-specific tools know about. Just yum install pavucontrol to get it. Failing that, please provide the output of pacmd info. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: I have been writing about Fedora on Muktware and the review was massive hit -- around 80,000 reads. Users liked the review and our articles. But since now I myself am not able to run Fedora on both my machine I don't know how to write about it. I am willing to share info (error messages) with you so as to be able to use Fedora. I have been a long time Ubuntu user and decided to switch post Unity mess. I tried Fedora 16 and loved it. I installed it on both my main PC (which has Nvidia GTX 470 card) and Dell XPS. The main was stuck at boot, after first reboot and installing Nvidia drivers. Could not find a fix and started using openSUSE. Just today the Fedora on XPS also got stuck during boot and shows use systemct1 default or Ctrl D. Not able to boot into the system. I posted the issue about main PC on the forum but did not get any solution, which I totally understand as its volunteer list and not everyone may face the same problem. But since Fedora is not running on both my PCs I am in bad position. I do want to use Fedora, but due to my own technical limiations I can't. I desperately seek your help to enable me to use Fedora :( Personally asking you: did you ever give openSUSE a try? If not, try that and check the results, I bet you would be more happy. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Lio linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: Personally asking you: did you ever give openSUSE a try? If not, try that and check the results, I bet you would be more happy. Please be sure that this line is according to me, don't think it in general, people in Fedora are more innovative, if you need an highly innovative system, use Fedora (yes), but you have to regularly ask the things here but if you need to work some other things, you should need a stable version, IMHO openSUSE but remember Fedora gives you a more better and enhanced learning environment, making people least of dumb, that's all to say you since you were earlier an *buntu user. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On 12/25/2011 09:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 17:52 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: One common thing that can happen is that a channel is muted. Have you checked that? I'm on KDE, and don't recall how to full check that in GNOME. This is going to sound really stupid, but are you sure your speakers are turned on? More than once I've had this happen to me (my speakers turn off if there's a power cut) and had a frustrating time until the Duh moment. poc Just a point of order... The person with the problem is Mike, but the way the attribution showed up made it seems as if I'm being asked the question about speakers being turned on. It is rather a silly question though since he did test it on Windows so he knows where the speaker power button is... :-) And, to TC. Yes...that is the util I'm forgetting pavucontrol! -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
ssl trouble F16+
Hi trouble logging into soeen https:// sites. What rpms, would be needed to do so. In case I accidently removed some. On updating I get ~/repomd.xml(28, ) Along with usually error 12 timeouts. --- Running report_Bugzilla --- Logging into Bugzilla at https://bugzilla.redhat.com fatal: XML-RPC(-504): libcurl failed to execute the HTTP POST transaction, explaining: SSL connect error (exited with 1) -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ssl trouble F16+
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi trouble logging into soeen https:// sites. What rpms, would be needed to do so. In case I accidently removed some. On updating I get ~/repomd.xml(28, ) Along with usually error 12 timeouts. --- Running report_Bugzilla --- Logging into Bugzilla at https://bugzilla.redhat.com fatal: XML-RPC(-504): libcurl failed to execute the HTTP POST transaction, explaining: SSL connect error (exited with 1) Are you running the latest nss (3.13.1)? There are some scattered bug reports across several distributions of problems with it, and a previous nss update that never made it out of updates-testing broke HTTPS horribly. Try downgrading it and see if that helps. (You might need to the edit the files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ to use HTTP instead of HTTPS to even get YUM to work.) -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
default browser settings in Thunderbird changed by updates overnight
Clicking an html link from within a Thunderbird message now opens Chrome. It has been set to Firefox for a long time. This appears to have changed since yesterday, and last night I did run a huge number of new updates. Funny thing is, the settings in about:config in Thunderbird still dictate firefox as the preferred browser: network.protocol-handler.app.ftp;/usr/bin/firefox network.protocol-handler.app.http;/usr/bin/firefox network.protocol-handler.app.https;/usr/bin/firefox Checking System settings\Default Applications\web Browser (in KDE) also shows Firefox configured as default browser Where else can this behavior be controlled. I would like to know which package update caused this behavior to change so I can file a bug report, but I'm not sure. Looking at the long list of updates last night, there were updates for both Firefox and Thunderbird, but not for Chrome. I can't imagine Thunderbird changing the defaut browser to open from links, and the settings still seem correct. Ideas? -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: default browser settings in Thunderbird changed by updates overnight
On 12/25/2011 11:01 PM, Claude Jones wrote: Clicking an html link from within a Thunderbird message now opens Chrome. It has been set to Firefox for a long time. This appears to have changed since yesterday, and last night I did run a huge number of new updates. Funny thing is, the settings in about:config in Thunderbird still dictate firefox as the preferred browser: network.protocol-handler.app.ftp;/usr/bin/firefox network.protocol-handler.app.http;/usr/bin/firefox network.protocol-handler.app.https;/usr/bin/firefox Checking System settings\Default Applications\web Browser (in KDE) also shows Firefox configured as default browser Where else can this behavior be controlled. I would like to know which package update caused this behavior to change so I can file a bug report, but I'm not sure. Looking at the long list of updates last night, there were updates for both Firefox and Thunderbird, but not for Chrome. I can't imagine Thunderbird changing the defaut browser to open from links, and the settings still seem correct. Ideas? First, it is late here and I'm not quite sure what browser you want as your default browserbut I can tell you I ran into what I think is the same situation. I want TBird to open Chromeand it had been doing so since my install of F16. But, after the same updates, it was opening FireFox. I'm also using KDE. Well, my solution was to login under GNOME and start Chrome there...when I did, it said it wasn't the default browser and asked if it should be set as default...and I said yes. Back to KDE and all is well. I think it has do do with FireFox and TBird being gtk apps while KDE apps are qt. Anyway all is back the way I want it...so maybe you need to try something similar. -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: default browser settings in Thunderbird changed by updates overnight
On 12/26/2011 12:01 AM, Claude Jones wrote: Clicking an html link from within a Thunderbird message now opens Chrome. It has been set to Firefox for a long time. This appears to have changed since yesterday, and last night I did run a huge number of new updates. Funny thing is, the settings in about:config in Thunderbird still dictate firefox as the preferred browser: network.protocol-handler.app.ftp;/usr/bin/firefox network.protocol-handler.app.http;/usr/bin/firefox network.protocol-handler.app.https;/usr/bin/firefox Checking System settings\Default Applications\web Browser (in KDE) also shows Firefox configured as default browser Where else can this behavior be controlled. I would like to know which package update caused this behavior to change so I can file a bug report, but I'm not sure. Looking at the long list of updates last night, there were updates for both Firefox and Thunderbird, but not for Chrome. I can't imagine Thunderbird changing the defaut browser to open from links, and the settings still seem correct. Ideas? One of the hacked-to-pieces bundled libraries that Chrome requires being called by Thunderbird or the desktop manager by mistake? As in, path precedence, or something...? You asked for ideas. No clue how far off this one is, as I can't stand Chrome (or the new Firefox release concept, for that matter). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On 12/25/2011 09:25 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 25.12.2011, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: The main was stuck at boot, after first reboot and installing Nvidia drivers. This is not a Fedora issue, but an nvidia one. The nvidia drivers are proprietary software, which means that you're on your own. Switching to another distribution won't help either, unless they use a fixed version of that driver. That's not necessarily true. I was running the rawhide version of Fedora with the nouveau drivers and it would hang on me constantly and/or, if I didn't turn off acceleration in the kernel line, it wouldn't start at all. So it's not necessarily an nVidia issue completely. Here's the thingit's difficult to buy a laptop today that doesn't have an nVidia video card and so it behooves nVidia, the nouveau developers, and the kernel developers to get their sh*t together (pardon my french) and get these problems fixed. I have a system hang at least once a day these days running either the nVidia or the nouveau drivers against the latest rawhide kernels. The other thing that could be adding to this is the fact that every time I do an update there are about 30 X packages that can't get updated due to missing dependencies (again, this is rawhide) so it could be that there is something fixed in one or more of those packages that would alleviate some of the hang issues...won't know until the dependency issues are resolved (there's a note about this in the rawhide docs but there's no end date in sight for when these issues will be resolved). Kevin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On 25.12.2011, Kevin Martin wrote: I have a system hang at least once a day these days running either the nVidia or the nouveau drivers against the latest rawhide kernels. I have never used any distribution kernel longer than during the distr. installation period, and have never encountered any problems with my nvidia based machines and nouveau. Not a single issue. No hangs, nothing. This must not neccessarily have to mean something, of course. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 14 - 15 upgrade: libnih problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I did an upgrade from F14 to F15 using yum: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_14_-.3E_Fedora_15 I run it with --skip-broken due to the problems with libnih, and completed the upgrade process (except libnih). Now I'd like to fix the libnih problem before proceeding to upgrade from F15 to F16. I get the following error: yum update Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies - -- Running transaction check - --- Package libnih.x86_64 0:1.0.2-2.fc14 will be updated - --- Package libnih.x86_64 0:1.0.2-4.fc15 will be an update - -- Processing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_PRIVATE)(64bit) for package: libnih-1.0.2-4.fc15.x86_64 - -- Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: libnih-1.0.2-4.fc15.x86_64 (fedora) Requires: libc.so.6(GLIBC_PRIVATE)(64bit) Available: glibc-2.13.90-9.x86_64 (fedora) libc.so.6(GLIBC_PRIVATE)(64bit) Available: glibc-2.14-5.x86_64 (updates) libc.so.6(GLIBC_PRIVATE)(64bit) Installed: glibc-2.14.1-4.i686 (@updates-testing) Not found You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest rpm -qa libnih libnih-1.0.2-2.fc14.x86_64 rpm -qa glibc glibc-2.14.1-4.x86_64 glibc-2.14.1-4.i686 How can I fix this problem with libnih? thanks, Christoph similar problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=731815 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEAREKAAYFAk73SZgACgkQrq+riTAIEg3LFgCgv+S8KXaR9YpB/AY1GbrkYzpK AkoAn2cqldMJB8DDlT+VpODoz96V75Yk =q88d -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On 12/25/2011 10:00 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 25.12.2011, Kevin Martin wrote: I have a system hang at least once a day these days running either the nVidia or the nouveau drivers against the latest rawhide kernels. I have never used any distribution kernel longer than during the distr. installation period, and have never encountered any problems with my nvidia based machines and nouveau. Not a single issue. No hangs, nothing. This must not neccessarily have to mean something, of course. That's why I'm not entirely convinced it's the video drivers that are the only cause. I get the feeling that there's more to it than that but can't capture any relevant data as the hangs sometimes occur while I'm actually doing something and other times they happen when the machine is in screensaver mode. And when I say it hangs, I mean it hangs hard, no keyboard response, no network, nothing. I thought I may have a hardware issue but I've run multiple tests and even taken it in to a repair shop and we've not found any hardware issues. Kevin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 13:55:18 +0100, SB (Swapnil) wrote: I did not want that subject line, but am forced to. No, you aren't forced to make a drama out of it. Also, some lines of your message read as if your decision to give up is not final yet. fix and started using openSUSE. Just today the Fedora on XPS also got stuck during boot and shows use systemct1 default or Ctrl D. Not able to boot into the system. Where are the details? A screenshot or earlier error messages. Possibly after booting to the GRUB menu and removing kernel boot options rhgb and quiet prior to continueing the boot. I posted the issue about main PC on the forum And the link is missing here. Fedora is not running on both my PCs I am in bad position. I do want to use Fedora, but due to my own technical limiations I can't. I desperately seek your help to enable me to use Fedora :( Nevertheless you may need to deal with the trouble a bit. But if you give up early, there is not much hope. ;) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Printing issue on Fedora 16
Hi, I can print a file with 'lp' but I can't print the same file opened in gedit.My printer is Espon LQ-300 Any help is highly appreciated. -- Best Regards, Kalpa Pathum Welivitigoda http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Callkalpa http://about.me/callkalpa -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Listings Question About Ping
Wow, look, another OT thread to contribute to! :-D On Sunday 25 December 2011 23:35:15 Tim wrote: Tim: We're mostly sensitive to green, then red, then blue. Joe Zeff: Not quite, AIUI. The wavelength the human eye is most sensitive to is in the greenish yellow range, much more yellow than green. Well, as far as coloured sight goes, the primary colours are red, green, and blue. That is, the sensors in our eyes are attuned to those colours, with a small spread either side of them. [me loading extension_Biochemistry... done] Um, no, the red receptors in the eye are actually peaked at green-yellow, not red. Let me quote a piece from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision#Physiology_of_color_perception quote For example, while the L cones have been referred to simply as red receptors, microspectrophotometry has shown that their peak sensitivity is in the greenish-yellow region of the spectrum. Similarly, the S- and M-cones do not directly correspond to blue and green, although they are often depicted as such. It is important to note that the RGB color model is merely a convenient means for representing color, and is not directly based on the types of cones in the human eye. /quote You can find more details on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photopsin , and the picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cone-fundamentals-with-srgb-spectrum.svg shows clearly which part of the spectrum is covered by S, M and L photoreceptors, and how well it is covered. At least as far as humans are concerned. ;-) From the point of the receptors, it is green that we see the most. If one were to draw a rainbow across a page as a graph of the sensitivity of our eyesight, there's a peak around the green, that slopes off either way, with the blue side sloping off faster than the red side. That would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eyesensitivity.png . Considering that the Sun is a yellow dwarf, it's much more likely for us to find the wavelengths near and/or at its peak output to be easiest to see rather than something off to one side. It's not actually yellow. [me loading extension_Astrophysics... done] True, it's white, not yellow. The sunlight only appears to be yellow on Earth because of the atmospheric refraction. Otherwise, the Sun emits pretty much the same amount of (visible part of) light of each color, summing up to white. The peak frequency is mostly somewhere near blue, actually. The picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar_Spectrum.png can give you a good idea of EM emmision spectrum of the Sun that reaches Earth (the upper atmosphere and the ground surface). The vast majority is actually in infrared, but the most intensive part is the visible light. If you were going to argue the line of us being sensitive to the colour of the sun, actually it's far more logical that we're least sensitive to the strongest colours about. [me loading extension_Darwinian_Evolution... done] Why would that be? As per the spectrum picture above, the most intensive radiation from the Sun is in the part of the spectrum that is visible to us. I'd say that this is just good adaptation of humans to the environment --- the most efficient way to collect information about our surroundings comes by observing the most intensive radiation available --- which turns out to be the visible part of the Sun's spectrum. And then there is the biochemistry part --- in order to actually observe some part of the Sun's spectrum, biological organisms need biomolecules which are chemically sensitive to those wavelengths only. The number and types of such biomolecules may be quite constrained by laws of chemistry and biology (IIRC there are at most 12 of them to be found in a single animal), having nothing in particular to do with available sunlight itself. That's why most animal species can detect the visible light, some can see ultraviolet, but very few (if any) can see infrared. This is a consequence of the fact that there are basically no molecules which are specifically sensitive to infrared spectrum, despite the abundant amount of it provided by the Sun. For more info, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision#In_animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_color_vision And for our next off-topic, do we have someone who'd like to discuss the theory of relativity for us? ;-) Makes a change from discussing why Gnome and Windows suck. [me loading extension_Relativity... skipping: already hard-coded] In any discussion related to theory of relativity it always helps to have an expert around --- so you can consider yourself lucky. ;-) Since this part of the thread is already completely OT, feel free to ask whatever you like about relativity, I'll try to respond as long as I don't become too busy with real life stuff... :-) HTH, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
Re: Sound not working
On 12/25/2011 12:10 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: And my grub.conf does have an initrd line. If you're using grub2, it doesn't matter what's in grub.conf as you're booting from /boot/grub2/grub.cfg. Have you checked there as well? (Just trying to avoid overlooking the obvious.) If you do have it and it's not working, you might want to subscribe to that thread, in case anything new comes up. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On 12/25/2011 04:55 AM, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: The main was stuck at boot, after first reboot and installing Nvidia drivers. How did you install them? Did you use the binary blob, kmod-nvidia or akmod-nvidia? I ask because the first method is most likely to give you trouble, especially after a kernel update and either of the other two is much easier to use because they're simply fire and forget. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Listings Question About Ping
On 12/25/2011 05:05 AM, Tim wrote: It's not actually yellow. If you were going to argue the line of us being sensitive to the colour of the sun, actually it's far more logical that we're least sensitive to the strongest colours about. As long as we're on that subject for a moment, I'd like to comment that I learned back in the mid '80s that there's no such thing as a green star. The frequency range for green is so narrow, that even if a star's peak output is inside it there's going to be enough from one side or the other that we'd see it as either blue or yellow. This, BTW, was from a friend with a degree in Astronomy, so I'd tend to believe him. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 13:55 +0100, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:
Hi,
I did not want that subject line, but am forced to.
I have been writing about Fedora on Muktware and the review was massive
hit -- around 80,000 reads. Users liked the review and our articles. But
since now I myself am not able to run Fedora on both my machine I don't
know how to write about it. I am willing to share info (error messages)
with you so as to be able to use Fedora.
I have been a long time Ubuntu user and decided to switch post Unity
mess. I tried Fedora 16 and loved it. I installed it on both my main PC
(which has Nvidia GTX 470 card) and Dell XPS. The main was stuck at
boot, after first reboot and installing Nvidia drivers. Could not find a
fix and started using openSUSE. Just today the Fedora on XPS also got
stuck during boot and shows use systemct1 default or Ctrl D. Not able
to boot into the system. I posted the issue about main PC on the forum
but did not get any solution, which I totally understand as its
volunteer list and not everyone may face the same problem. But since
Fedora is not running on both my PCs I am in bad position. I do want to
use Fedora, but due to my own technical limiations I can't. I
desperately seek your help to enable me to use Fedora :(
Best
Swapnil Bhartiya
Hey Swapnil,
I'm glad you've been enjoying Fedora. Some time ago, I was an Ubuntu
user, and I think it provided a valuable introduction to the Linux
ecosystem for me. Most seasoned users will attest that their choice of
distro is a personal choice, with some exceptions for special purpose
applications. Okay, you aren't looking to start a flamewar on the best
distro, that just wouldn't be appropriate for a support list, so I'll
get to some helpful information...
Fedora now uses systemd for it's init system. The init system is
responsible for spawning daemons, managing service dependencies, and
generally helping the system get from a bare kernel to a useful system.
For more information on using Fedora with systemd, read here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd . I'd also encourage you to at
least skim over the developer's writings, links from the wiki page to
0pointer.de pages, for a better understanding of systemd. But how does
this help YOU?
With your desktop, I'd venture a guess that your GPU is too new to have
3D support from nouveau, the free driver. Fedora doesn't distribute the
'nvidia' driver, but we can install it sanely from a 3rd party source.
Since you haven't said how you got the nvidia drivers, I'll head in that
direction. We can help your laptop along the way.
If you are familiar with the concept of 'runlevels,' there are parallels
with systemd to accomplish the same goals. You can still use the
numerical designations - append {1, 3, 5} to your kernel boot line - but
it's valuable to know how the system works, so we'll use systemd. Since
your system can't boot to a graphical interface, we need to stop at a
'lower runlevel.' The systemd way would be to append
`systemd.unit=multiuser.target` - roughly analogous to a runlevel 3.
You should be able to log into a working bash session at this point (if
not, try a different target.) See if you can pull anything helpful from
the logs to share {/var/log/messages, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, others.}
While you might be able to get by with an nvidia-xconfig to generate an
xorg.conf, if you downloaded the nvidia binaries from nvidia, you should
uninstall them, set up the 'rpmfusion' repo and install the packaged
drivers they provide, by following these instructions:
http://fedorasolved.org/video-solutions/nvidia-yum-kmod
It is a good idea to install akmod-nvidia with kmod-nvidia, this will
locally build the driver for new kernels if needed. Finally, create a
basic xorg.conf file with the command `nvidia-xconfig` and reboot to
load the drivers. If it doesn't work as expected, return to the lower
target and share the logs.
Please let us know how it works out, and if you discover specific
symptoms we can help with. If you have trouble interpreting your logs,
fedora has fpaste, similar to ubuntu's pastebin(it?) so you can publicly
share them.
HTH,
Pete
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Re: Sound not working
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 22:01 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/25/2011 09:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 17:52 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: One common thing that can happen is that a channel is muted. Have you checked that? I'm on KDE, and don't recall how to full check that in GNOME. This is going to sound really stupid, but are you sure your speakers are turned on? More than once I've had this happen to me (my speakers turn off if there's a power cut) and had a frustrating time until the Duh moment. poc Just a point of order... The person with the problem is Mike, but the way the attribution showed up made it seems as if I'm being asked the question about speakers being turned on. It is rather a silly question though since he did test it on Windows so he knows where the speaker power button is... :-) And, to TC. Yes...that is the util I'm forgetting pavucontrol! Yes the speakers are on and turned up LOL. I am in KDE, not gnome. And have tried pavucontrol but gonna try again to make sure. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best little town on Earth! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora 14 - 15 upgrade: libnih problems
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 17:04 +0100, Christoph A. wrote: Hi, I did an upgrade from F14 to F15 using yum: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_14_-.3E_Fedora_15 I run it with --skip-broken due to the problems with libnih, and completed the upgrade process (except libnih). Now I'd like to fix the libnih problem before proceeding to upgrade from F15 to F16. I get the following error: yum update Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package libnih.x86_64 0:1.0.2-2.fc14 will be updated --- Package libnih.x86_64 0:1.0.2-4.fc15 will be an update -- Processing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_PRIVATE)(64bit) for package: libnih-1.0.2-4.fc15.x86_64 -- Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: libnih-1.0.2-4.fc15.x86_64 (fedora) Requires: libc.so.6(GLIBC_PRIVATE)(64bit) Available: glibc-2.13.90-9.x86_64 (fedora) libc.so.6(GLIBC_PRIVATE)(64bit) Available: glibc-2.14-5.x86_64 (updates) libc.so.6(GLIBC_PRIVATE)(64bit) Installed: glibc-2.14.1-4.i686 (@updates-testing) Not found You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest rpm -qa libnih libnih-1.0.2-2.fc14.x86_64 rpm -qa glibc glibc-2.14.1-4.x86_64 glibc-2.14.1-4.i686 How can I fix this problem with libnih? how about removing it (I don't know what required it to be installed though)... yum remove libnih and it will undoubtedly list something that required it to be installed and remove that too - then afterwards, you can re-install whatever it was that required it. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 12:34 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 22:01 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/25/2011 09:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 17:52 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: One common thing that can happen is that a channel is muted. Have you checked that? I'm on KDE, and don't recall how to full check that in GNOME. This is going to sound really stupid, but are you sure your speakers are turned on? More than once I've had this happen to me (my speakers turn off if there's a power cut) and had a frustrating time until the Duh moment. poc Just a point of order... The person with the problem is Mike, but the way the attribution showed up made it seems as if I'm being asked the question about speakers being turned on. It is rather a silly question though since he did test it on Windows so he knows where the speaker power button is... :-) And, to TC. Yes...that is the util I'm forgetting pavucontrol! Yes the speakers are on and turned up LOL. I am in KDE, not gnome. And have tried pavucontrol but gonna try again to make sure. Well, it's fixed, for now anyway haha. I couldn't ever get it to work with the onboard audio as mentioned/shown earlier in this thread. So I tried a creative labs SB pci card I had from bout 4 years ago and it worked right off the bat. Will try later with the onboard and see if can ever get it to work. Thanks for the help though, -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best little town on Earth! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
The main was stuck at boot, after first reboot and installing Nvidia drivers. This is not a Fedora issue, but an nvidia one. The nvidia drivers are proprietary software, which means that you're on your own. Switching to another distribution won't help either, unless they use a fixed version of that driver. Why the need for nvidia drivers? I used to think I needed them but with Fedora 14 I tried the latest drivers included with the distro (Nouveau I think) and it all works ok with Blender 3d, inkscape, Scribus, and Gimp and anything else I throw a it. I suspect the drivers will be even better with Fedora 16. If I may suggest, to try Nouveau and see if it does what you need. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
Please be sure that this line is according to me, don't think it in general, people in Fedora are more innovative, if you need an highly innovative system, use Fedora (yes), but you have to regularly ask the things here but if you need to work some other things, you should need a stable version, IMHO openSUSE but remember Fedora gives you a more better and enhanced learning environment, making people least of dumb, that's all to say you since you were earlier an *buntu user. Yes, I am using openSUSE as well. But I do want to use Fedora as I want to be able to write about it for the magazine. Swapnil -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
No, you aren't forced to make a drama out of it. Also, some lines of your message read as if your decision to give up is not final yet. No, I have not given up on it. I don't want to give up on Fedora. I need it for my articles. Where are the details? A screenshot or earlier error messages. Possibly after booting to the GRUB menu and removing kernel boot options rhgb and quiet prior to continueing the boot. I posted the issue about main PC on the forum And the link is missing here. Here is the link of thread for Nvidia card. That issues in un resolved. As I stated Fedora has failed on both machines, one with Nvidia card (error on below link) http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/405561 And this is a snap of the error on Dell XPS. http://ubuntuone.com/6nVaGW1YHkXnHiFZ3rp9DR -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Boot disk?
Is there a way to identify which disk the BIOS is using to boot from (eg disk 0 or 1) when I don't have physical access to the system to view the BIOS settings? The situation is this, I have a machine at a remote location where the system runs RAID-1 and both disks (0 and 1) can boot the system, I need to rewrite the boot sectors on the disks and I don't have easy access to the machine so I have to be careful as to which order I do them. Thanks, Jeff -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot disk?
On 12/25/2011 11:37 PM, Jeffrey Ross wrote: Is there a way to identify which disk the BIOS is using to boot from (eg disk 0 or 1) when I don't have physical access to the system to view the BIOS settings? The situation is this, I have a machine at a remote location where the system runs RAID-1 and both disks (0 and 1) can boot the system, I need to rewrite the boot sectors on the disks and I don't have easy access to the machine so I have to be careful as to which order I do them. Thanks, Jeff Hi Jeff, Try installing dmidecode. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:30:23 +0100, SB (Swapnil) wrote: And the link is missing here. Here is the link of thread for Nvidia card. That issues in un resolved. As I stated Fedora has failed on both machines, one with Nvidia card (error on below link) http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/405561 That's not much info to comment on :(, just from two weeks ago, and you haven't answered to the last reply yet either. Readers would have to apply a *lot* of guess-work. Have the proprietary Nvidia drivers worked for you every before with Fedora? With older versions of Fedora? I don't use those drivers. If you use the RPM Fusion packages for those drivers, perhaps you can get help on RPM Fusion's mailing-list(s) - provided that you don't give up early and don't expect magic incantations to do all the work. ;) It may be necessary to collect details about the current state of your system and about all steps you try out when testing something. Terse postings (containing no details) won't lead to anything. You also wrote I tried Fedora 16 and loved it before installing the proprietary nvidia drivers. And this is a snap of the error on Dell XPS. http://ubuntuone.com/6nVaGW1YHkXnHiFZ3rp9DR Where is an error message in there? All is about USB. :( -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Printing issue on Fedora 16
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 22:10 +0530, Kalpa Pathum Welivitigoda wrote: Hi, I can print a file with 'lp' but I can't print the same file opened in gedit.My printer is Espon LQ-300 Any help is highly appreciated. It works on my machine. Does print preview work? -- === The sooner you make your first 5000 mistakes, the sooner you will be able to correct them. -- Nicolaides === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot disk?
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 23:53 +0200, Rares Aioanei wrote: On 12/25/2011 11:37 PM, Jeffrey Ross wrote: Is there a way to identify which disk the BIOS is using to boot from (eg disk 0 or 1) when I don't have physical access to the system to view the BIOS settings? The situation is this, I have a machine at a remote location where the system runs RAID-1 and both disks (0 and 1) can boot the system, I need to rewrite the boot sectors on the disks and I don't have easy access to the machine so I have to be careful as to which order I do them. Thanks, Jeff Hi Jeff, Try installing dmidecode. Sounds like a good suggestion, but where in dmidecode output do you find the disk that is used for booting. -- === Life -- Love It or Leave It. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
Here is the link of thread for Nvidia card. That issues in un resolved. As I stated Fedora has failed on both machines, one with Nvidia card (error on below link) http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/405561 That's not much info to comment on :(, just from two weeks ago, and you haven't answered to the last reply yet either. I tried the suggestion but the screen was stuck at the same message. Readers would have to apply a *lot* of guess-work. Have the proprietary Nvidia drivers worked for you every before with Fedora? I can't say as when 16 was released I installed it on my PC and it worked for almost a week. Once the error came, it was belived Fedora Utils caused it. I reformatted and did not install Fedora Utils, still it was stuck after second reboot. I can do a fresh install once again if that may help. With older versions of Fedora? I don't use those drivers. If you use the RPM Fusion packages for those drivers, perhaps you can get help on RPM Fusion's mailing-list(s) - provided that you don't give up early and don't expect magic incantations to do all the work. ;) I am not giving up but since I can't even boot into the system I can't do anything for my work and have to use openSUSE for my work -- which I am happy with, but need Fedora for my articles. It may be necessary to collect details about the current state of your system and about all steps you try out when testing something. Terse postings (containing no details) won't lead to anything. I understand, I will keep it posted. You also wrote I tried Fedora 16 and loved it before installing the proprietary nvidia drivers. As I stated above, it worked fine with Nvidia drives for a week. And this is a snap of the error on Dell XPS. http://ubuntuone.com/6nVaGW1YHkXnHiFZ3rp9DR Where is an error message in there? All is about USB. :( Yes. This is where the screen is stuck and I can't boot into system. Swapnil -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot disk?
On 12/26/2011 12:23 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 23:53 +0200, Rares Aioanei wrote: On 12/25/2011 11:37 PM, Jeffrey Ross wrote: Is there a way to identify which disk the BIOS is using to boot from (eg disk 0 or 1) when I don't have physical access to the system to view the BIOS settings? The situation is this, I have a machine at a remote location where the system runs RAID-1 and both disks (0 and 1) can boot the system, I need to rewrite the boot sectors on the disks and I don't have easy access to the machine so I have to be careful as to which order I do them. Thanks, Jeff Hi Jeff, Try installing dmidecode. Sounds like a good suggestion, but where in dmidecode output do you find the disk that is used for booting. I was under the impression that a server machine offers more detailed info than the usual desktop (via SMBIOS), but if I'm mistaken, all apologies. I don't have access to a server to test my presumptions, though. -- Rares Aioanei -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:32:50 +0100, SB (Swapnil) wrote: I can't say as when 16 was released I installed it on my PC and it worked for almost a week. Once the error came, What was the last thing you did before the error came? Did you install any update packages? it was belived Fedora Utils caused it. What is Fedora Utils? Had to search for it, because it didn't sound familiar and yum search fedora utils also didn't find it. Apparently, you refer to http://fedorautils.sourceforge.net/ which is not include with Fedora. I can do a fresh install once again if that may help. As mentioned, collecting data may be helpful. If you reinstall Fedora 16 and it works initially, try to find out whether applying Updates reproduces the problem. Save the full list of installed packages _prior_ to applying updates, e.g. rpm -qa --last pkgs-20111225-1.txt, then save and review the list of packages to be installed by a yum update. For the beginning, skip updates of the Linux kernel and nvidia drivers. Or update *only* individual packages, such as the kernel or the drivers. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On 12/25/2011 02:32 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: I am not giving up but since I can't even boot into the system I can't do anything for my work and have to use openSUSE for my work -- which I am happy with, but need Fedora for my articles. Are you able to boot into rescue mode? If so, you'd have access to the various logs; if not, a LiveCD might do the trick. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On 12/25/2011 02:52 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: As mentioned, collecting data may be helpful. If you reinstall Fedora 16 and it works initially, try to find out whether applying Updates reproduces the problem. Save the full list of installed packages_prior_ to applying updates, e.g. rpm -qa --last pkgs-20111225-1.txt Even easier, you can use /root/anaconda-ks.cfg, as that contains a complete list of what was installed in the right format to use as a kickstart file. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:56:41 -0800, JZ (Joe) wrote: On 12/25/2011 02:52 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: As mentioned, collecting data may be helpful. If you reinstall Fedora 16 and it works initially, try to find out whether applying Updates reproduces the problem. Save the full list of installed packages_prior_ to applying updates, e.g. rpm -qa --last pkgs-20111225-1.txt Even easier, you can use /root/anaconda-ks.cfg, as that contains a complete list of what was installed in the right format to use as a kickstart file. That's something entirely different and not a valid comparison. Anaconda's kickstart file lists packages/package groups but not package version-release and does not track any updates applied after installation. If Fedora 16 release works, but Fedora 16 with Updates doesn't, one needs to track down which update (or test-update) is the culprit. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot disk?
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 16:37 -0500, Jeffrey Ross wrote: Is there a way to identify which disk the BIOS is using to boot from (eg disk 0 or 1) when I don't have physical access to the system to view the BIOS settings? The situation is this, I have a machine at a remote location where the system runs RAID-1 and both disks (0 and 1) can boot the system, I need to rewrite the boot sectors on the disks and I don't have easy access to the machine so I have to be careful as to which order I do them. you don't say whether this is software or hardware RAID, nor which version of Fedora you are using (grub or grub2) and I think the distinctions are rather important and my crystal ball is cloudy today. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot disk?
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Jeffrey Ross j...@bubble.org wrote: Is there a way to identify which disk the BIOS is using to boot from (eg disk 0 or 1) when I don't have physical access to the system to view the BIOS settings? The situation is this, I have a machine at a remote location where the system runs RAID-1 and both disks (0 and 1) can boot the system, I need to rewrite the boot sectors on the disks and I don't have easy access to the machine so I have to be careful as to which order I do them. If both disks have identical bootloaders, I'm not sure there's any way from a running system to check which one you booted from. If you don't mind rebooting it, you could add a different arbitrary kernel argument to the GRUB configuration of each disk's bootloader, reboot the machine, then check /proc/cmdline to see which one shows up. That being said, why does the order matter? So long as you do both correctly before rebooting the machine all should be well. -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 12/25/2011 03:30 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: And this is a snap of the error on Dell XPS. http://ubuntuone.com/6nVaGW1YHkXnHiFZ3rp9DR Have you tried an older kernel? I have seen something similar to this occur on CentOS once and reverting to an older kernel at the time allowed the system to boot. - -- Larry Brower, CCENT Fedora Ambassador - North America Fedora Quality Assurance lbro...@fedoraproject.org http://www.fedoraproject.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJO97IOAAoJEF1Xw4ZWTEoJEVEP/1uzFLSNHDffpoFCIpol3135 ud3jNiNJPMqYUB1oi//E++rKRW0mymfRID0VpzlJQ8RZZ65M7RcR1xKfBQzGCr7U aqvEvSTq2e//fwYeITCzEr3OIUFu91ijK1bG5DLXC6cDw2op9m3md/qO+JZbM/VW 5Wex2FZtHm++TURZ3dT5+ylPkpGz/VHdccoYLopiNcnS4Q021IEMMu36Z0sxkfoZ vDZoh9aqG7LEInwvRMtNNIwofNPD/hHH9IggJfdP4hku8kfB/8ZdiVJbXTORNCGR AB0hzgOSSZDfKE8aQrPpe0kqNrsuAABr3/m4LY/9CkJDpC8Yqfz3qk96hXdbqWtN Bg/7PU8YAIO9NCygyyq9ADffKOXylH/7dVhW0ZYDYFdGbwdnJVs7Tj/QU9rSmcvD PJV2iKOx9pIpqnLojeabhwuh28aRyHnm4G3eFGrGHXCeXXScqammOUSWKgdkRRzy Nj9qQxghomQkKmGuHa/7DdusOyQFdwvQ88hM1Q6xvo1EWAwanPDH/8ZwZy9Z+7Cu zfHfrV4/cVAOBt3FXT2WYOOVoogCAYbkMuGF0P/oMK1wycbxiAHBdl3xuPX5sVom 8VhNlFvOWxmG0JPRjnHaJqw8Gx139jLYlHsoVZrDfe+ORCMX3BnojlEPVs8sQQSV oS4Lz7V3/O5OOEK8h96n =Jx3Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 17:15 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 13:55:18 +0100, SB (Swapnil) wrote: I did not want that subject line, but am forced to. No, you aren't forced to make a drama out of it. Also, some lines of your message read as if your decision to give up is not final yet. you realize of course that this is just another id for /Linux is One/Linux Tyro/Rameshwar Kr. Sharma/ One of the Ubuntu list members is also a member of the OpenSuSE list and he's been filling me in on all of the various ID's (he calls it nymshifting but I never heard the term before). Now I'm not saying that he's not worth helping but the drama about 'giving up on Fedora' or 'writing an article for a magazine' or whatever... just seems to accumulate. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0700, CW (Craig) wrote: you realize of course that this is just another id for /Linux is One/Linux Tyro/Rameshwar Kr. Sharma/ Could be true, doesn't change much. Given the amount of traffic on this list, I comment on random posts I run into or on specific topics I find interesting. If the contents of the posts don't lead to anything fruitful, there's a higher chance that my replies will stop suddenly. For any people, who practise role-playing on mailing-lists like this one (or in forums), it will become a lonely place for them eventually, and they will return with a different name or pseudonym, … but it might stay a lonely place for them nevertheless, because the contents of their posts (and their attitude) don't change. A couple of experienced troll-hunters on this list expose disguised troublemakers, who have been here using other names before, regularly, and I bet it will happen again. ;) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Fedora 16, XFCE, caps lock
With the latest updates, I seem to have lost the ability to map Caps Lock to Ctrl. Or am I not looking in the right place? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: After a while, dolphin, konqueror (and other KDE apps) won't start...
On 12/23/2011 09:08 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'.
Here is the output of qdus, as well as a strace for three different
applications that exhibit this issue:
http://tinypaste.com/d4d1b2c1 (dolphin)
http://tinypaste.com/d2d9bc1c (konqueror)
http://tinypaste.com/35f50887 (ksysguard)
http://tinypaste.com/4761c6cb (qdbus)
If you need any more information, let me know.
Each of those seem to get stuck in the same place:
connect(21, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@/tmp/fam-steve-}, 110unfinished
...
So, seems to have something to with fam/gamin not responding
-- rex
I just ran ps -aux | grep gam and the result was this:
steve 1918 0.0 0.0 14028 1132 ?SDec23 0:00
/usr/libexec/gam_server
I thought, Hmm, December 23rd was two days ago. So, I ran kill 1918
and guess what happened? Immediately, Amarok and Ksysguard (which I had
recently attempted to start) opened up... I have a feeling that if I
had recently made failed attempts at starting Dolphin and Konqueror,
that they would have opened up as well.
All of this opens up a few new questions, but at least I know how to get
around the issue of non-starting KDE apps. We now know that it
definitely has something to do with gam_server We just don't know WHY
it is behaving this way.
Steven P. Ulrick
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Re: Sound not working.. bootable flash..?
The only solution that I know of to get sound working is: rpm -ivh http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm yum install gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-ffmpeg gstreamer-plugins-ugly -y __ Once I've installed the above packages, and sound is working spiffy, how can I get those packages off of my existing Fedora-14 hd, and into a newly installed Fedora OS, on another hd, without needing to get it off the net again, given that it is very likely that those codes may soon be invalid..? I'd like to be able to make a bootable ISO to flash and CD of the OS as I've customized it.. How is that done?.. What settings must be set, to save all update and addon downloads for copying and installing into a new OS.. without having to be net connected..? All I've found is a huge list of downloads that must be done one at a time.. Would be nice if I could download all the updates to a fresh OS install, and somehow run that through Yumex on each new OS install... Where does one find those downloads in the Fedora OS after the updates have been installed..? Maybe in Fedora there should be an easy option to save all downloads in an easy accessible usable install directory or file for reuse... -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Some businesses and professionals need an extremely secure OS lock, that even the best of the best can't crack...
I lost the encrypted login PW for one of my many hd's, and found that I can easily over-ride to restore it if I do a little cracking with codes.. The data was easily found in a Google search, which means that an encrypted OS isn't really a locked OS.. So I'm wondering how can we have sure-fire fool-proof crack-proof keys that maintain a private corporate computer totally safe and private from the crazy world's bullying and messing..? Do you suppose a flash drive can somehow made to be the only key that opens an OS..? Can there be layers of keys in a key..? I.E.: ones multi-layered PW might be something like: 18erty 239de frosset (for this one the user must wait 5-seconds of no keyboard activity before being keyed in) 18 su78 ddhe -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot Disk...
Boot disk? From: Jeffrey Ross j...@bubble.org [Add] To: For users of Fedora fedora-l...@redhat.com [Add] Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 1:37 PM (4 hours 28 minutes ago) Show message - Delete attached message - Save copy of attached message Show full header Is there a way to identify which disk the BIOS is using to boot from (eg disk 0 or 1) when I don't have physical access to the system to view the BIOS settings? The situation is this, I have a machine at a remote location where the system runs RAID-1 and both disks (0 and 1) can boot the system, I need to rewrite the boot sectors on the disks and I don't have easy access to the machine so I have to be careful as to which order I do them. Thanks, Jeff _ I got a bad feeling about that post.. Something Stinks real bad... Me wonders if what you really mean, is that you are a black hatter who needs to learn how to crack the Linux OS's of your victim's computers, to cause good people pain and grief... Are you a policeman there Jeff, who hurts innocent people for your bosses, by bullying them over the Internet..? Just asking... -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Boot Disk..?
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Sorting Shotwell files..? people bugs.. resizing icons in home-dir..?
How do I configure Fedora-1 to bring-up shotwell's slideshow automatically up on the desktop at boot, starting with the last pix that was showing..? _ A clean living computer-user health-tip: The world is right in the middle of a full-blown serious chigger, mite, and bedbug plague.. 99% of human itches are from microscopic-spiders feeding.. Proof: Dab a tiny bit of petroleum jelly vaseline on an itch.. If the itch disappears in about 20-seconds, it was a feeding spider-mite that ran out of oxygen, and died from the grease blocking its air intake.. it suffocated.. If you use public keyboards, like at universities, hospitals, coffee houses, and such, and happen to notice horribly itchy hands and nose just a few minutes later, that's spider-mites feeding.. They feed by injecting digestive fluids into a cell.. the cell explodes, thus the itch... Solution: Get to the computer store, and purchase one of those new all rubber indestructible roll-up USB silent keyboards for about $20, or a clean keys keyboard for more $.. Take it with you to the public computers you use, and just plug 'em in, and hope they work if they aren't Linus OS's... While you're at it, you might want to bring your own mouse too.. I try to avoid public seating.. When I can't, like a doctor's office waiting room, or public computer seating, or restaurant, or bus or taxi, I place a clear clean leaf-bag over the seat, to prevent itchy bum, from those heavily mite infested seats.. No sense in bringing mites into the home if you can avoid it with a little care and caution.. is why some houses have mud-rooms, and guest houses.. You'll live longer and healthier.. and might even make it to download and run the ISO Fedora-50 Blue-Streak one day. In my bugs research I concluded that approx. 30% of all human disease are spread by spider mites... There's a super insecticide product on the market, that works well on this problem.. Konk Insecticide Foam, but it definitely isn't for skin.. But it doesn't have the same vile odors and fumes conventional insecticides do.. I konk-spray, and bleach, nearly everything I get from garage sales and flea markets, with the stuff, especially old computer towers after I've air-pressure blown the dust out from up-wind, to ensure I'm not bringing blood-sucking pests into the house, given that mites and bed-bugs are now prevalent in every city and town on the planet these days... This be just a word to the Wise, to help my Linux brothers and sisters live more comfortable, healthier, and longer... ___ Is there Fedora-14 code to enable the user to pull a re-sized icon off the desktop to home-dir, with the icon remaining as small or large as it is on the desktop..? In Ubuntu the user has the controls to shrink icons in home-dir.. I wonder why this feature isn't in Fedora..? ___ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Sound not working
On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 22:01 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/25/2011 09:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 17:52 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: One common thing that can happen is that a channel is muted. Have you checked that? I'm on KDE, and don't recall how to full check that in GNOME. This is going to sound really stupid, but are you sure your speakers are turned on? More than once I've had this happen to me (my speakers turn off if there's a power cut) and had a frustrating time until the Duh moment. poc Just a point of order... The person with the problem is Mike, but the way the attribution showed up made it seems as if I'm being asked the question about speakers being turned on. Sorry Ed, I noticed this after hitting Send. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Some businesses and professionals need an extremely secure OS lock, that even the best of the best can't crack...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 12/25/2011 08:05 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: I lost the encrypted login PW for one of my many hd's, and found that I can easily over-ride to restore it if I do a little cracking with codes.. The data was easily found in a Google search, which means that an encrypted OS isn't really a locked OS.. So I'm wondering how can we have sure-fire fool-proof crack-proof keys that maintain a private corporate computer totally safe and private from the crazy world's bullying and messing..? What? What password are you referring to exactly? BIOS? encrypted LUKS partition? encryptfs? Truecrypt? Please provide more details. Do you suppose a flash drive can somehow made to be the only key that opens an OS..? Can there be layers of keys in a key..? I.E.: ones multi-layered PW might be something like: 18erty 239de frosset (for this one the user must wait 5-seconds of no keyboard activity before being keyed in) 18 su78 ddhe I have never seen anything like this. I wouldn't trust it if someone came up with something like this since they could easily just add their own key into the algorithm. - -- Larry Brower, CCENT Fedora Ambassador - North America Fedora Quality Assurance lbro...@fedoraproject.org http://www.fedoraproject.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJO994EAAoJEF1Xw4ZWTEoJsGgQAIkRy0bpZVeRz2uz6LK9hfjL S/KbE/LzjKZmlRPI7rm6UjKgZP0JOBbciGwt+2WO27BHFwkBBAqBnv7fINPCNSr7 5Oy6dD2nT3m4SDpF77TmAPiRj67QaQKXrr1H3bxUPOhZs3rFtnJ11eAtNyMvJp6e J2DEnjMaUZEHPfyh2Jby5OzPTxspoHV7bPE03UJUYWflAOyaX9HcrhrWXu6jklx/ vYWOQcEl7vsI86a2BEcH3fkpnmH+CmkbyOaR9Sv5LSHjtTtzoITkv7MuJ34YkUb8 fNudKZnZfBl1ohKtuwt8cGIuECCZbJtuvxyv+YbwafcNyiJXXKYFIwCG50K761ys /Q5p9WPh5TSJmuHZVJRK7DMHcu3KptoTPtrVsMe1M0wr19VqNNcvbCFOed4O7xC/ WjxlTXR6hiKTUXwe+0kNlw7WZBgj2uExdsG2v0KDWcKuEqDFGkXibmLXcI9PeqHA MHRVI/8qgOLqC1bFy2BYTVsekmvvGcIbj6Adt3o0j5+80+nobhnnW9k8iU4XN4A+ NCPzpS1iRFvSGYiuMhs+rmzVIWR832Ha8kJ28mIb5XJFYa4tDEaMfG74IH7YryFW RSKXBF7bFJ0nG2D6tZjIstkYA/P6yELbfxMgf//9IvR6FL9B81tMPoF+x0FTgBD8 S9gm85tVdxgl7qIgyp5y =fy8S -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Some businesses and professionals need an extremely secure OS lock, that even the best of the best can't crack...
Welcome to the real world, Linda. (Sorry to be so blunt. Computers are not magic.) On 12/26/11, Linda McLeod lindavald...@fastmail.fm wrote: I lost the encrypted login PW for one of my many hd's, and found that I can easily over-ride to restore it if I do a little cracking with codes.. The data was easily found in a Google search, which means that an encrypted OS isn't really a locked OS.. So I'm wondering how can we have sure-fire fool-proof crack-proof keys that maintain a private corporate computer totally safe and private from the crazy world's bullying and messing..? Freedom hurts sometimes. The only real safe thing to do is lock the stuff that you can't afford to be cracked in a safe. Do you suppose a flash drive can somehow made to be the only key that opens an OS..? Flash drives are by no means less unsecureable than the rotating disk kind. Electron microscopes are not that expensive, either, even when the ecrypted flash drive manufacturer sort of gets it right. Encrypted flash is primarily useful for the legal angle of deniability. Think DRM. (Well, officer, I did the best I could!) They can also be helpful when the data on the drive is personal, but not valuable, and the person finding the drive is just a curious teenager who does not know how to use a soldering iron. Can there be layers of keys in a key..? I.E.: ones multi-layered PW might be something like: 18erty 239de frosset (for this one the user must wait 5-seconds of no keyboard activity before being keyed in) 18 su78 ddhe That's a very common not-good-idea that people turn to. Complexity by itself solves very little. And it often makes even more problems. Joel Rees -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: default browser settings in Thunderbird changed by updates overnight [Solved]
On 12/25/2011 10:13 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: I think it has do do with FireFox and TBird being gtk apps while KDE apps are qt. Anyway all is back the way I want it...so maybe you need to try something similar. Bingo! I logged off KDE and in to Gnome. Fired up Firefox and went to: Edit/Preferences/Advanced/General/System Defaults and there I could click the button to check and see if Firefox was the default browser. It replied that Firefox was not the default and did I want to change that, to which I assented. In retrospect, I probably could have just gone into the Firefox preferences and changed Firefox to the default browser while logged into KDE Thunderbird weblinks now open Firefox, or a new tab in Firefox if it's already running. I still don't understand how Chrome became the default browser... -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Some businesses and professionals need an extremely secure OS lock, that even the best of the best can't crack...
On 12/25/2011 06:05 PM, Linda McLeod wrote: So I'm wondering how can we have sure-fire fool-proof crack-proof keys that maintain a private corporate computer totally safe and private from the crazy world's bullying and messing..? If you're talking about people getting into your computer from the outside, I don't think that encrypting your hard disk is going to help unless you don't mount the partition unless you're using it. AIUI, once it's mounted, the system's going to decrypt/encrypt as needed for whoever access it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: you realize of course that this is just another id for /Linux is One/Linux Tyro/Rameshwar Kr. Sharma/ One of the Ubuntu list members is also a member of the OpenSuSE list and he's been filling me in on all of the various ID's (he calls it nymshifting but I never heard the term before). Now I'm not saying that he's not worth helping but the drama about 'giving up on Fedora' or 'writing an article for a magazine' or whatever... just seems to accumulate. Really not, you are misunderstood, I assume, and I am not Linux Tyro, you should know it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Why updatedb doesn't traverse my external HD?
On 12/25/2011 01:51 AM, JB wrote: Anything mounted on /media has to be of actual type of that media. Btw, a CD mounted on /media, even if temporarily, represents a persistent storage device, and certainly NOT volatile memory (e.g. of type shm). I think systemd devs need to remove it - it is a pure nonsense. Remove what? Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Giving Up On Fedora
you realize of course that this is just another id for /Linux is One/Linux Tyro/Rameshwar Kr. Sharma/ Mr Craig. My Name is Swapnil Bhartiya. I write for Muktware.com, I used to be an editor of LINUX For You magazine. While your 'skepticism' is appreciated, please don't club me with trolls. Only a few links. Please search Google and you will find more. http://www.muktware.com/articles/2936 http://www.muktware.com/news/2855 http://www.muktware.com/a/10/2011/825/how-install-libreoffice-fedora-14-errors-included http://www.muktware.com/articles/2976 http://www.muktware.com/bitsnbytes/3027 And. I have technical problem for which I seek help. Sharing all the info needed. I am not asking about whether I use Ubuntu or Fedora. I am simply asking about being able to use Fedora. Now I'm not saying that he's not worth helping but the drama about 'giving up on Fedora' or 'writing an article for a magazine' or whatever... just seems to accumulate. If you don't think I am worth helping, please don't. Swapnil -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
