Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues

2012-12-04 Thread Martin Groenescheij


On 4/12/2012 5:56 PM, Gary Aitken wrote:

On 12/03/12 23:46, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

On 4/12/2012 5:36 PM, Gary Aitken wrote:

On 12/03/12 18:39, James Plante wrote:


   One of the reasons I *don't* use master docs is because
of the extra work needed to cross-reference various parts of a report, e.g.,
on page 24, see cost analysis in Appendix C, page 98. (And page 98 keeps
incrementing as your document grows; it finally ends up being on page 210--
and your cross-reference reflects that.)

It has been over a decade since I've written anything long like that; but 15
or so years ago good word-processing software handled this problem properly.
Indices automatically kept up to date, as did cross-chapter / file references.
If aoo doesn't do that, it should be very high on the list of things to fix /
add in the next rev.

In that regard, I don't know if the iso standard which describes odt files
deals with this, (and I can't look at it because one has to pay ISO to get
a copy) but I would hope that it does, as it's an obvious well-known issue.
If it doesn't, it's something that should be addressed via a proposal to iso
with a sample implementation in the next rev of aoo.

Is what you ask is a standard for an unstructured input?
OpenOffice can deal with large files if you understand the concept of Styles.

I'm not familiar enough with styles to answer that for certain, but what I'm
talking about has nothing to do with the size of the file.  I'm talking about
a collection of files which together comprise the total document, as if
concatenated end-to-end.  e.g. toc.odt, contents.odt, chapter1.odt,... 
index.odt.
book.odt says it's made up of those files in that order.

That's exactly what OpenOffice can do when you 
take the effort to learn / understand how to work 
with Styles

The Help file says this about Cross-references:

The advantage of entering a cross-reference as a 
field is that you do */not have to adjust the 
references manually/* every time you change the 
document. Just update the fields with F9 and the 
references in the document are updated too.




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Re: ack! Mac Viewing Issues

2012-12-04 Thread James Plante

On Dec 4, 2012, at 3:36 AM, Martin Groenescheij mar...@groenescheij.com wrote:

 The advantage of entering a cross-reference as a field is that you do */not 
 have to adjust the references manually/* every time you change the document. 
 Just update the fields with F9 and the references in the document are updated 
 too.

And with AOO, you can simply pick paragraph headings as the cross-reference if 
you're working on a single document. If, OTOH, you're using a master doc, then 
you must name the sub-file and explicitly spell out the reference. This is 
quite inconvenient in a big, complex document; there's also a high probability 
of error. If I'm working in a sub-file--say, Site Value, and I want to 
reference an entry in the section titled market analysis, then the field 
reference has to be complete and accurate into a file that's not open, or 
worse, which is open and being changed by someone else. 

Now, a programmer who can figure out how to keep that much information straight 
in a dynamic document has my complete admiration. But it is easier for me to 
simply write a single, massive document that knows its own parts thoroughly. 
AOO does this until the document length exceeds about 170 pages, then it loses 
its mind, starts acting goofy, and won't save. 

And, btw, you don't have to lose your changes when that happens. Just open a 
new document, copy the new material from the malfunctioning one, and paste it 
into the new blank document. That will save nicely. The longer doc won't. 

Jim Plante

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