Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

2016-08-01 Thread Brian Barker 

At 20:54 31/07/2016 -0400, Brian Meadows wrote:

On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 00:45:46 +0100, Brian Barker wrote:
Are you sure that your book publisher will want to print hearts and 
diamonds symbols in red in otherwise black text in your book?


Absolutely certain. It's the third volume of three in a series which 
is published via Amazon's 'print on demand' services. We send Amazon 
the book as a PDF, they print a copy when somebody buys one.


I can't trace your earlier works; in any case, I imagine they don't 
have red symbols or you would not be asking this question now.


Other have commented on the advisability or otherwise of printing red 
symbols in an otherwise monochrome book. I've looked at a few other 
bridge books on Amazon, and none of them use red symbols. One uses 
grey symbols for hearts and diamonds, an interesting way to 
distinguish them from the black suits without using another printing 
colour. Surely readers will know that half the suits are red, won't 
they? I imagine that anyone who has difficulty remembering that 
hearts and diamonds are red without continual reminders in the text 
is unlikely to become a proficient bridge player!


But it's your book and your choice, of course.

The reason not to leave them until the end is because some of the 
alignment is quite tricky, and I don't want to screw it up by 
changing the length of some of the strings when doing the final substitution.


There are good ways and bad ways to align text. Choosing a good way 
should minimise such problems.


Brian Barker 



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Re: Converting files from Word Perfect x7

2016-08-01 Thread Brian Barker 

At 10:48 01/08/2016 -0400, Jeffrey Deutsch wrote:

And only switched over to Word -- that is, to OpenOffice ...


I think both Microsoft and Apache would be interested to read that 
you found Word in OpenOffice. Did you also find Writer in Microsoft Office?


;^)

Brian Barker 



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RE: book covering the fine points of advanced wordprocessing

2016-08-01 Thread Doug Hovelson 
That's a good resource!

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DaveMainwaring  wrote:

> I am looking for book covering the fine points of advanced 
> word-processing applications vs classic typewriters.
> 
> A book that explains all the items in the pull down menus, view, 
> encoding, language, preferences, style configurator, importing, 
> exporting, plug ins, and the new spacing practices (leading, 
> kerning,all the niceties of OO

Not a book per se, but this site may be able to help also...

http://tutorialsforopenoffice.org/

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HD cloning program

2016-08-01 Thread NDFay 
When I was downloading Open Office I saw a link to an open source HD 
cloning program.   I was about to download it when a thunderstorm took 
out my power.   Now power has been restored I can't find the link.  I'd 
be much obliged if someone would point me to it.


Thanks in advance,

N. D. Fay

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Re: book covering the fine points of advanced wordprocessing

2016-08-01 Thread TN Patriot 
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 11:15:52 -0400
DaveMainwaring  wrote:

> I am looking for book covering the fine points of advanced word-processing
> applications vs classic typewriters.
> 
> A book that explains all the items in the pull down menus, view, encoding,
> language, preferences, style configurator, importing, exporting, plug ins,
> and the new spacing practices (leading, kerning,all the niceties of OO

Not a book per se, but this site may be able to help also...

http://tutorialsforopenoffice.org/

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Re: book covering the fine points of advanced wordprocessing

2016-08-01 Thread JB 
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 11:15:52 -0400
DaveMainwaring  wrote:

> I am looking for book covering the fine points of advanced word-processing
> applications vs classic typewriters.
> 
> A book that explains all the items in the pull down menus, view, encoding,
> language, preferences, style configurator, importing, exporting, plug ins,
> and the new spacing practices (leading, kerning,all the niceties of OO

Not a book per se, but this site may be able to help also...

http://tutorialsforopenoffice.org/

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Re: book covering the fine points of advanced wordprocessing

2016-08-01 Thread DaveMainwaring 
AND  Designing with LibreOffice is free to download, This is an
approximately 500-page book. Opening the file may take a moment because of
the length and number of illustrations.
Paper back version can be purchased at Amazon and lulu. Just reading the
index it is an awesome book.

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 11:15:52 -0400
> DaveMainwaring  wrote:
>
> > I am looking for book covering the fine points of advanced
> word-processing
> > applications vs classic typewriters.
> >
> > A book that explains all the items in the pull down menus, view,
> encoding,
> > language, preferences, style configurator, importing, exporting, plug
> ins,
> > and the new spacing practices (leading, kerning,all the niceties of OO
> > --
> >
> Bruce Byfield's "Designing with LibreOffice" is also applicable to
> OpenOffice ( with some slight changes); it covers the intelligent use of
> OpenOffice/LibreOffice Writer for quite complex works.  It may be
> downloaded form a link on http://designingwithlibreoffice.com/
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell 
>



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Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

2016-08-01 Thread toki 
On 01/08/2016 00:54, brian wrote:

> is published via Amazon's 'print on demand' services. We send Amazon
> the book as a PDF, they print a copy when somebody buys one. 

Have you looked at the price difference between B and 4 colour
printing? For this specific usage --- hearts and diamonds in red ---  is
it worth the roughly six cents per page price difference?

For ebook formats (PDF, epub, mobi, fb2, etc) the major issue with
colour is that most e-ink screens don't display them properly. For
non-e-ink devices, colour is rendered correctly. As such, colouring
hearts and diamonds in red is a non-issue.

> No conventional publisher would touch it with a barge pole.

The organization that hired you to write the material is the publisher.
As such, what is needed is a printer, not a publisher.

Personally, for POD I'd rather go with Ingram Spark for non-Amazon
sales, holding off on CreateSpace until Amazon's non-stocking policy
makes using it imperative. On the flipside, IngramSpark mandates that
one knows exactly what one is doing, whilst CreateSpace mandates that
one be utterly clueless.

jonathon




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Re: book covering the fine points of advanced wordprocessing

2016-08-01 Thread Rory O'Farrell 
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 11:15:52 -0400
DaveMainwaring  wrote:

> I am looking for book covering the fine points of advanced word-processing
> applications vs classic typewriters.
> 
> A book that explains all the items in the pull down menus, view, encoding,
> language, preferences, style configurator, importing, exporting, plug ins,
> and the new spacing practices (leading, kerning,all the niceties of OO
> -- 
> 
Bruce Byfield's "Designing with LibreOffice" is also applicable to OpenOffice ( 
with some slight changes); it covers the intelligent use of 
OpenOffice/LibreOffice Writer for quite complex works.  It may be downloaded 
form a link on http://designingwithlibreoffice.com/

-- 
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book covering the fine points of advanced wordprocessing

2016-08-01 Thread DaveMainwaring 
I am looking for book covering the fine points of advanced word-processing
applications vs classic typewriters.

A book that explains all the items in the pull down menus, view, encoding,
language, preferences, style configurator, importing, exporting, plug ins,
and the new spacing practices (leading, kerning,all the niceties of OO
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Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

2016-08-01 Thread toki 
On 31/07/2016 22:45, brian wrote:

> substitute the red suit symbols for hearts and diamonds (I cheat by
> copying the symbols from elsewhere in the text) but I can't work out
> how to then switch back to black text after I've done the substitution, 

Character Styles.
Create one for Red Suites and one for Black Suites.

Write your document using your usual character style.  When finished,
write a macro that searches for each heart, and applies the Red Suite
character style to it, then change that macro so search for each
diamond, to apply the Red Suite character style to it.  Then modify it
to search for each spade, and apply the Black Suite character style to
it, then change it to search for each club, applying the Black Suite
character style.

> Secondary question: Is there any such thing as a 'reveal codes' option

If you modify the formatting toolbar appropriately, the formatting
changes are displayed there, as one moves through the document. That is
about as close to usable Reveal Codes functionality as you'll find for AOo.

jonathon




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Re: Conveting files from Word Perfect x7

2016-08-01 Thread Jeffrey Deutsch 
Good morning Brian,

As one who learned WordPerfect in 1986, also via DOS and then Windows*, and
used it on my first four PCs, I have no objection whatsoever to that Zamzar
feature.

In fact, I still have a copy of WP v8 lying around here somewhere...it came
with the PC I bought in 1998**. I had a choice between MS Word and
WordPerfect, with the understanding that the storefront manufacturer could
only support the former. I picked the latter...knowing the handwriting was
on the wall. (Meanwhile, that same year my university stopped supporting
WordPerfect.)

I always liked Reveal Codes and certain other visual functions. You have a
good point about sometimes just needing to generate files for yourself --
maybe your own notes or for printouts. (Of course, if WordPerfect also
exports to PDF your options widen.)

I'm just intrigued that apparently some people, after generating their own
files in a *different* software, want to share them with someone else who
does use WordPerfect.

Last but not least, I'm well aware how many U.S. government facilities --
including sensitive military ones -- run on classic software (and
floppies!).

[*] And only switched over to Word -- that is, to OpenOffice -- in 2004,
kicking and screaming, when I took on a project requiring me to read
students' submissions. Naturally, by then they'd all switched over to MS
Word. And I found MS Works wasn't going to cut it.

[**] No, it's not what I'm typing this email on.

Long live legacies!

Jeff Deutsch
Speaker & Life Coach
A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
http://www.asplint.com

"Listen to the universe while it whispers before it has to shout."
Marion Grobb Finkelstein, Communication Catalyst --
http://www.MarionSpeaks.com

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:14 AM, brian  wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:46:45 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Believe it or not, as of right now Zamzar still enables people to convert
> >files *to* WordPerfect (wpd).
> >
> >Jeff Deutsch
> >Speaker & Life Coach
> >A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
> >http://www.asplint.com
> >
>
> And why does that cause you a problem, exactly? I still use an old
> version of Word Perfect (v12, I think) as my word processor of choice
> when I don't need to send the file to anyone else. If the site allows
> me to convert files to Word Perfect, why should they disable that
> feature, as you seem to imply?
>
> I learned to use Word Perfect under what was then VAX/VMS in the late
> 1980s, then via WP 5.1 for DOS to WP for Windows. It still does a good
> job, and I prefer it to Open Office unless there's a chance that I
> need to share the document.
>
> And don't give me any BS about "out-of-date" software or similar. I
> spent a working lifetime writing (mainly) software for doing process
> control and laboratory database work. You should see the amount of
> antique kit which was bought to do a specific job in a laboratory and
> is still doing that job because the kit still works and does the job
> well. Case in point is the Canadian nuclear energy people who are (or
> were recently) looking for DEC PDP assembly language programmers, they
> apparently intend to keep their PDPs running until 2050, more than 50
> years since the now-extinct DEC discontinued them. Were I a few years
> younger, I'd be brushing up my Macro-11...
>
>
> Brian.
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Re: Conveting files from Word Perfect x7

2016-08-01 Thread brian 
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:46:45 -0400, you wrote:

>Believe it or not, as of right now Zamzar still enables people to convert
>files *to* WordPerfect (wpd).
>
>Jeff Deutsch
>Speaker & Life Coach
>A SPLINT - ASPies LInking with NTs
>http://www.asplint.com
>

And why does that cause you a problem, exactly? I still use an old
version of Word Perfect (v12, I think) as my word processor of choice
when I don't need to send the file to anyone else. If the site allows
me to convert files to Word Perfect, why should they disable that
feature, as you seem to imply? 

I learned to use Word Perfect under what was then VAX/VMS in the late
1980s, then via WP 5.1 for DOS to WP for Windows. It still does a good
job, and I prefer it to Open Office unless there's a chance that I
need to share the document. 

And don't give me any BS about "out-of-date" software or similar. I
spent a working lifetime writing (mainly) software for doing process
control and laboratory database work. You should see the amount of
antique kit which was bought to do a specific job in a laboratory and
is still doing that job because the kit still works and does the job
well. Case in point is the Canadian nuclear energy people who are (or
were recently) looking for DEC PDP assembly language programmers, they
apparently intend to keep their PDPs running until 2050, more than 50
years since the now-extinct DEC discontinued them. Were I a few years
younger, I'd be brushing up my Macro-11...


Brian. 

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Re: Double line spacing

2016-08-01 Thread Doug 


On 07/31/2016 11:58 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 22:38 31/07/2016 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 07/31/2016 06:23 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

At 07:36 01/08/2016 +1000, Richard Beeston wrote:
I need to write a thesis and the requirement is to have double line 
spacing ...


Second, you should let your institution know that the world no 
longer uses typewriters. It is only in typescript that the concept 
of double spacing really exists, since it supposes that the printed 
output is restricted to discrete vertical positions. There is no 
such restriction on commercial printing or even on printed output 
produced by word processors - though it is possible to choose that 
lines are separated by exactly twice the default spacing, of course.


There is a very good reason for double-spaced text in any document 
submitted for publication or for scholarly discussion or grading. In 
the case of publication, it allows the editor to make corrections; in 
the second instance, it allows the reader and or the professor to 
make useful comments on particular portions of the text. In the first 
instance, I speak from some small experience as the long-term editor 
of a newsletter which runs from 12 to 20 pages per issue, of which 
there are 10 per year. Altho I edit on the computer, it is easier to 
deal with a double-spaced text as to finding and "repairing" a given 
section of the manuscript.


Sorry, but you miss my point; sorry if I wasn't clear. Of course you 
are right that it can be convenient to have *extra* space between the 
lines of text in a printed document - and the original questioner will 
want to provide this, as is required by his institution. But the idea 
of *double* spacing in particular is surely a hangover from typewriter 
technology, where vertical line positioning was limited to complete 
line heights (or sometimes half that). Both commercial printers and 
word processors are capable of much finer gradations of spacing.


Commercially printed material sometimes has additional spacing between 
lines, called leading (pronounced "ledding" as in Pb and itself a term 
that is a hangover from hot-metal technology), but this does not need 
to be in whole line heights. A printer may add two-point leading to, 
say, ten-point text, and will describe this as printed "ten on twelve 
point". Again, word processors allow similar fine choices about 
vertical spacing. There are other choices than Double in Writer's 
"Line spacing" setting and the effect is very flexible.


I feel that word processor users sometimes think in terms of 
typewriter technology, and I took the opportunity to suggest that 
wider choices were available here (but then provided the answer 
requested, I hope).


(BTW: /Manuscript/ implies that it was written /by hand/ as opposed 
to being typed!)


Indeed, from the Latin fourth declension "manus" - hand. But I'm not 
sure of your point here. You seem to be suggesting that someone 
misused the word "manuscript", but the conversation was not about 
manuscripts and you were the only person to introduce the term.


Brian Barker

I won't disagree with you. Yes, you can set up any line spacing you want 
in a word processor, but what is commonly
called double spacing, which amounts to skipping a line interval 
throughout a document, is a convenient means to

leave space for editing or correcting (by hand, sometimes).
I agree that I brought up the word "manuscript" since something like a 
term-paper or a dissertation might frequently
be called by that term, and I thought that the derivation from the Latin 
would be of interest. To those interested in
language, it might be noted that "manus" even tho it has a masculine 
ending, is feminine, not only in Latin, but in
Italian, (la mano) French, and even in the non-Romance language, German 
(die Hand).


--doug

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