Re: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

[Dr. Martin Senftleben]

Hi,

I can confirm it. I have however used LibreOffice in Linux to convert 
the document. Which I would guess points at a problem within the 
document and not with OpenOffice.
My guess would be that some settings for those tabs have been altered, 
maybe accidentally, which cause these results. I don't have much time to 
dig deeper into it, I only looked at settings in printer area, which I 
usually never use, and saw that these are set (i.e. someone entered them 
manually). The cause for the problem may be related to this, but I am 
not sure.


Am 11.04.24 um 17:11 schrieb Robert Rath:

Good idea!

Here's an attachment ods file with the resultant PDF I created via 
Export to PDF feature. The issue is with the following tabs:

- "BILAGA II" (numbering erroneously indicates 5 when it should be 4)
- "BILAGA III" (numbering erroneously indicates 4 when it should be 3)
- "BILAGA X" (page number starts at 2 and number of pages indicates 8 
when it should be starting at 1 and up to page 7)

Can you reproduce this issue if you open the ODS file and do a PDF export?

Best Regards, Robert

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 4:51 PM W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. 
mailto:robert.funn...@mcgill.ca>> wrote:


Robert -

You can hide your confidential data using Edit > Find and Replace.
Make sure the 'Regular expressions' box is checked, enter [a-z] in
the Find field, and enter x in the Replace field. If you then click
on Replace All, every lower-case letter will be replaced by x.
Similarly, you can use [0-9] to replace all digits by something.

I don't know what the policy is here for attachments. If they're
allowed, there may be a maximum size.

- Robert #2


*From:* Robert Rath mailto:robert.kis.r...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* April 11, 2024 07:43
*To:* users@openoffice.apache.org
<mailto:users@openoffice.apache.org> mailto:users@openoffice.apache.org>>
*Subject:* Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)
Dear OpenOffice Support,

I have a OpenCalc file that contains several tabs that when I export
as PDF
(landscape A4) some of the page numbers (done seperately per tab) are
incorrect in the resulting PDF. For example, one the exported tabs skips
page 1 and starts at page 2. Another tab has correct page numbering
but the
total number of pages in that tab is incorrect (i.e. displays 1 of
8, 2 of
8, etc. when it should be 1 of 7, 2 of 7).

Due to the confidential nature of the data, I will not attach the
OpenCalc
file in question to reproduce this issue for the entire user group.
I can,
on the other hand, send it to someone who is internally involved in
bugfixing/reproducing issues. Thanks for your time.

Best, Robert



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Re: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

[Robert Rath]

Good idea!

Here's an attachment ods file with the resultant PDF I created via Export
to PDF feature. The issue is with the following tabs:
- "BILAGA II" (numbering erroneously indicates 5 when it should be 4)
- "BILAGA III" (numbering erroneously indicates 4 when it should be 3)
- "BILAGA X" (page number starts at 2 and number of pages indicates 8 when
it should be starting at 1 and up to page 7)
Can you reproduce this issue if you open the ODS file and do a PDF export?

Best Regards, Robert

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 4:51 PM W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. <
robert.funn...@mcgill.ca> wrote:

> Robert -
>
> You can hide your confidential data using Edit > Find and Replace. Make
> sure the 'Regular expressions' box is checked, enter [a-z] in the Find
> field, and enter x in the Replace field. If you then click on Replace
> All, every lower-case letter will be replaced by x. Similarly, you can
> use [0-9] to replace all digits by something.
>
> I don't know what the policy is here for attachments. If they're allowed,
> there may be a maximum size.
>
> - Robert #2
>
> --
> *From:* Robert Rath 
> *Sent:* April 11, 2024 07:43
> *To:* users@openoffice.apache.org 
> *Subject:* Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)
>
> Dear OpenOffice Support,
>
> I have a OpenCalc file that contains several tabs that when I export as PDF
> (landscape A4) some of the page numbers (done seperately per tab) are
> incorrect in the resulting PDF. For example, one the exported tabs skips
> page 1 and starts at page 2. Another tab has correct page numbering but the
> total number of pages in that tab is incorrect (i.e. displays 1 of 8, 2 of
> 8, etc. when it should be 1 of 7, 2 of 7).
>
> Due to the confidential nature of the data, I will not attach the OpenCalc
> file in question to reproduce this issue for the entire user group. I can,
> on the other hand, send it to someone who is internally involved in
> bugfixing/reproducing issues. Thanks for your time.
>
> Best, Robert
>


Example_PageNumbering.ods
Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet

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Re: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

[W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof.]

I'm using LibreOffice 24.2.1.2 and I see the same incorrect page numbering that 
you see.
- Robert


From: Robert Rath 
Sent: April 11, 2024 11:11
To: W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. 
Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Re: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

Good idea!

Here's an attachment ods file with the resultant PDF I created via Export to 
PDF feature. The issue is with the following tabs:
- "BILAGA II" (numbering erroneously indicates 5 when it should be 4)
- "BILAGA III" (numbering erroneously indicates 4 when it should be 3)
- "BILAGA X" (page number starts at 2 and number of pages indicates 8 when it 
should be starting at 1 and up to page 7)
Can you reproduce this issue if you open the ODS file and do a PDF export?

Best Regards, Robert

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 4:51 PM W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. 
mailto:robert.funn...@mcgill.ca>> wrote:
Robert -

You can hide your confidential data using Edit > Find and Replace. Make sure 
the 'Regular expressions' box is checked, enter [a-z] in the Find field, and 
enter x in the Replace field. If you then click on Replace All, every 
lower-case letter will be replaced by x. Similarly, you can use [0-9] to 
replace all digits by something.

I don't know what the policy is here for attachments. If they're allowed, there 
may be a maximum size.

- Robert #2


From: Robert Rath mailto:robert.kis.r...@gmail.com>>
Sent: April 11, 2024 07:43
To: users@openoffice.apache.org<mailto:users@openoffice.apache.org> 
mailto:users@openoffice.apache.org>>
Subject: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

Dear OpenOffice Support,

I have a OpenCalc file that contains several tabs that when I export as PDF
(landscape A4) some of the page numbers (done seperately per tab) are
incorrect in the resulting PDF. For example, one the exported tabs skips
page 1 and starts at page 2. Another tab has correct page numbering but the
total number of pages in that tab is incorrect (i.e. displays 1 of 8, 2 of
8, etc. when it should be 1 of 7, 2 of 7).

Due to the confidential nature of the data, I will not attach the OpenCalc
file in question to reproduce this issue for the entire user group. I can,
on the other hand, send it to someone who is internally involved in
bugfixing/reproducing issues. Thanks for your time.

Best, Robert

Re: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

[W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof.]

Robert -

You can hide your confidential data using Edit > Find and Replace. Make sure 
the 'Regular expressions' box is checked, enter [a-z] in the Find field, and 
enter x in the Replace field. If you then click on Replace All, every 
lower-case letter will be replaced by x. Similarly, you can use [0-9] to 
replace all digits by something.

I don't know what the policy is here for attachments. If they're allowed, there 
may be a maximum size.

- Robert #2


From: Robert Rath 
Sent: April 11, 2024 07:43
To: users@openoffice.apache.org 
Subject: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

Dear OpenOffice Support,

I have a OpenCalc file that contains several tabs that when I export as PDF
(landscape A4) some of the page numbers (done seperately per tab) are
incorrect in the resulting PDF. For example, one the exported tabs skips
page 1 and starts at page 2. Another tab has correct page numbering but the
total number of pages in that tab is incorrect (i.e. displays 1 of 8, 2 of
8, etc. when it should be 1 of 7, 2 of 7).

Due to the confidential nature of the data, I will not attach the OpenCalc
file in question to reproduce this issue for the entire user group. I can,
on the other hand, send it to someone who is internally involved in
bugfixing/reproducing issues. Thanks for your time.

Best, Robert

Re: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

[nshiffrin]

I only use Open Office for text documents.  What I found helpful was to use the 
page numbers at the bottom right to guide my numbering. I don't use the 
formatting programs.
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Apr 11, 2024 4:46 AM
To: 
Subject: Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

Dear OpenOffice Support,

I have a OpenCalc file that contains several tabs that when I export as PDF
(landscape A4) some of the page numbers (done seperately per tab) are
incorrect in the resulting PDF. For example, one the exported tabs skips
page 1 and starts at page 2. Another tab has correct page numbering but the
total number of pages in that tab is incorrect (i.e. displays 1 of 8, 2 of
8, etc. when it should be 1 of 7, 2 of 7).

Due to the confidential nature of the data, I will not attach the OpenCalc
file in question to reproduce this issue for the entire user group. I can,
on the other hand, send it to someone who is internally involved in
bugfixing/reproducing issues. Thanks for your time.

Best, Robert



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Incorrect page numbering on PDF export (Win11)

[Robert Rath]

Dear OpenOffice Support,

I have a OpenCalc file that contains several tabs that when I export as PDF
(landscape A4) some of the page numbers (done seperately per tab) are
incorrect in the resulting PDF. For example, one the exported tabs skips
page 1 and starts at page 2. Another tab has correct page numbering but the
total number of pages in that tab is incorrect (i.e. displays 1 of 8, 2 of
8, etc. when it should be 1 of 7, 2 of 7).

Due to the confidential nature of the data, I will not attach the OpenCalc
file in question to reproduce this issue for the entire user group. I can,
on the other hand, send it to someone who is internally involved in
bugfixing/reproducing issues. Thanks for your time.

Best, Robert

Page Numbering

[Edward Eckhard]

My thanks to all of you who responded to my request for page numbering help ! 

Since I received more than one suggestion, I'll try them all and let you know 
which was the easiest to do ! Thanks again, 

Edward 

Re: Page Numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:40:20 -0500 (EST)
Edward Eckhard  wrote:

> Hello out there to all Users. 
> 
> I'm trying to number hardcopy pages in my OpenOffice documents. The HELP 
> Routine in 
> OpenOffice tells me to use EDIT and FIELD to do it. However, I cannot select 
> the 
> FIELD Option from EDIT ! What to do ?? Anyone ?? 
> 
> Edward 

Try /Insert /Field Page number.

I have just checked Help file for AOO 4.1.7: the edit reference is for 
Formatting of the page number style and for that you need an existing (already 
inserted) Page Number.  To edit that page number style, place the cursor 
immediately in front of that field - it is helpful to turn on /View /Field 
Shadings, and sometime /View /Field names.

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Re: Page Numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:40:20 -0500 (EST)
Edward Eckhard  wrote:

> Hello out there to all Users. 
> 
> I'm trying to number hardcopy pages in my OpenOffice documents. The HELP 
> Routine in 
> OpenOffice tells me to use EDIT and FIELD to do it. However, I cannot select 
> the 
> FIELD Option from EDIT ! What to do ?? Anyone ?? 
> 
> Edward 

Try /Insert /Field Page number.

I have just checked Help file for AOO 4.1.7: the edit reference is for 
Formatting of the page number style and for that you need an existing (already 
inserted) Page Number.  To edit that page number style, place the cursor 
immediately in front of that field - it is helpful to turn on /View /Field 
Shadings, and sometime /View /Field names.

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Page Numbering

[Edward Eckhard]

Hello out there to all Users. 

I'm trying to number hardcopy pages in my OpenOffice documents. The HELP 
Routine in 
OpenOffice tells me to use EDIT and FIELD to do it. However, I cannot select 
the 
FIELD Option from EDIT ! What to do ?? Anyone ?? 

Edward 

Page numbering question

[Scott Watson]

I’m putting page numbers in a document and when I view them, the numbers are 
odd only when I view them on right side only in page set up and even only when 
on left side only. When I go to view the numbers on right and left or mirrored 
the page count is half of what it should be. Help me please. 

Thanks, 
Scott 


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Re: Page numbering

[Martin Groenescheij]

On 11/6/18 11:18 pm, zahra a wrote:

hi i recommend that try libreoffice too.
maybe it can supports it.


By God,
were I given libreoffice
with all it contain
in order that
I may disobey OpenOffice,
I would not do it.




On 6/9/18, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:48:23 +
Craig Thompson  wrote:


Hello,

I want to start page numbering with "0" not "1" so I can use a title page.
  I don't think there is any way to do this.  Microsoft Office supports
this.

Is there any way around this without creating two different files?


I really like Open Office.  Just this one problem with converting files
from MS Office.


Thanks,

Craig


https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=1221 for Page
numbreing info,

and

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=44607 for Page
Style info (which you need to know for page numbering)



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Re: Page numbering

[Dan Lewis]

   Are you using page styles in this document as you should? The title 
page should have its own style. If the rest of the document is text, it 
also should have its own style. At the bottom of the title page, create 
a page break. With this select the style of the text and select the page 
number that you want the text to begin with.
   All of this is well documented in the Styles and Formating section 
in the Writer's Guide. I suggest you download a copy and study this 
section. It will do wonders to how well you can use Writer.
   While I now use LibreOffice exclusively, I used OpenOffice.org 1.0 
to 3.13. I had no problems doing many things with styles as I wrote 
documentation on Base (OOo's database section) for ODFAuthors.


On 06/11/2018 09:18 AM, zahra a wrote:

hi i recommend that try libreoffice too.
maybe it can supports it.

On 6/9/18, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:48:23 +
Craig Thompson  wrote:


Hello,

I want to start page numbering with "0" not "1" so I can use a title page.
  I don't think there is any way to do this.  Microsoft Office supports
this.

Is there any way around this without creating two different files?


I really like Open Office.  Just this one problem with converting files
from MS Office.


Thanks,

Craig


https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=1221 for Page
numbreing info,

and

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=44607 for Page
Style info (which you need to know for page numbering)



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Re: Page numbering

[zahra a]

hi i recommend that try libreoffice too.
maybe it can supports it.

On 6/9/18, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:48:23 +
> Craig Thompson  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I want to start page numbering with "0" not "1" so I can use a title page.
>>  I don't think there is any way to do this.  Microsoft Office supports
>> this.
>>
>> Is there any way around this without creating two different files?
>>
>>
>> I really like Open Office.  Just this one problem with converting files
>> from MS Office.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Craig
>>
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=1221 for Page
> numbreing info,
>
> and
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=44607 for Page
> Style info (which you need to know for page numbering)
>
>
>
> --
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Re: Page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:48:23 +
Craig Thompson  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I want to start page numbering with "0" not "1" so I can use a title page.  I 
> don't think there is any way to do this.  Microsoft Office supports this.
> 
> Is there any way around this without creating two different files?
> 
> 
> I really like Open Office.  Just this one problem with converting files from 
> MS Office.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Craig
> 

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=1221 for Page 
numbreing info,

and

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=44607 for Page Style 
info (which you need to know for page numbering)



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Page numbering

[Craig Thompson]

Hello,

I want to start page numbering with "0" not "1" so I can use a title page.  I 
don't think there is any way to do this.  Microsoft Office supports this.

Is there any way around this without creating two different files?


I really like Open Office.  Just this one problem with converting files from MS 
Office.


Thanks,

Craig



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Re: Page numbering please

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:31:46 -0500
Wade Smart <wadesm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:13 AM, daveandp...@sky.com
> <daveandp...@sky.com> wrote:
> >  Can you tell me how I do page numbering please?  This afternoon if 
> > possible?  My phone number is :-  01747  229371
> > Thanks
> > Dave Hooker
> 
> Insert > Header/Footer
> Select the area (left, center, right)
> 

Wade Smart omitted to mention that in the header you need to /Insert /Page 
Numbers; you can position the number with a tab or tabs to move it from the 
left ?(default) to the centre (one tab) or the right (two tabs)


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Re: Page numbering please

[Wade Smart]

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:13 AM, daveandp...@sky.com
<daveandp...@sky.com> wrote:
>  Can you tell me how I do page numbering please?  This afternoon if possible? 
>  My phone number is :-  01747  229371
> Thanks
> Dave Hooker

Insert > Header/Footer
Select the area (left, center, right)

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Page numbering please

[daveandp...@sky.com]

 Can you tell me how I do page numbering please?  This afternoon if possible?  
My phone number is :-  01747  229371
Thanks
Dave Hooker

Re: Using the open office - page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:02:00 +
Thelma Rafferty <thelmaraffe...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> 
> I have been trying to gt the numbering sequence to work on each page 
> automatically but to no avail.
> 
> 
> Can you help with this.  I followed the instructions!
> 
> 
> Mrs Rafferty

In the style definitions for the Page style(s) in use, enable header and/or 
footer.  Click in the Header or footer (wherever you wish the page numbering) 
and /Insert /Field /Page Number.

If that doesn't work we need to know
Operating system and version
Page Style(s) in use.
What did you do exactly, and what do you see?


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Using the open office - page numbering

[Thelma Rafferty]

Hi


I have been trying to gt the numbering sequence to work on each page 
automatically but to no avail.


Can you help with this.  I followed the instructions!


Mrs Rafferty

Re: Page Numbering in a Document

[Martin Groenescheij]

On 03/03/17 11:35 AM, Donna Ann Pekarsky wrote:

Can someone please explain clearly how to number the bottom of each page of a 
text document?


I can try.


  I read the FAQ on the website, but they are not clear.  Where is the page 
format icon?


There is non icon

   What does it look like.


Characters.


   Please show me exactly what icon I press on to access the sub-menus.


At the top bar go to Format and then Select page from the menu, this 
will open a Page Style Window.

In the window go to the Footer tab and tick the Footer on box and press OK
Now you have an footer. Place your mouse inside the footer and go at the 
top bar to Insert and select Fields, you see there a number of fields 
you can insert one of them is Page Number.



  Copy and paste the icon into an email or tell me exactly where it is.  This 
latest version of Open Office is harder to use than previous versions.


I have no idea what you're talking about the user interface hasn't 
changed since version 4.0



  Thanks.







Donna Ann Pekarsky
devot...@aol.com
Tel.  415-673-7343






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Page Numbering in a Document

[Donna Ann Pekarsky]

Can someone please explain clearly how to number the bottom of each page of a 
text document?  I read the FAQ on the website, but they are not clear.  Where 
is the page format icon?  What does it look like.  Please show me exactly what 
icon I press on to access the sub-menus. Copy and paste the icon into an email 
or tell me exactly where it is.  This latest version of Open Office is harder 
to use than previous versions.
 Thanks.







Donna Ann Pekarsky
devot...@aol.com
Tel.  415-673-7343

Re: Page numbering

[Martin Groenescheij]

On 07/10/16 8:55 AM, toki wrote:

On 06/10/2016 01:19, Martin Groenescheij wrote:


even with a crap package you can achieve perfect results.

Sometimes inferior software won't allow one to make the adjustments that
are needed, for perfect results.


The point I was trying to make is that we should stop blaming the software.
If we concentrate on WHAT we want to achieve we find our way around the 
roadblocks.
If we concentrate on HOW we want to achieve things we find always 
roadblocks on your path.




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Re: Page numbering

[toki]

On 06/10/2016 01:19, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

>even with a crap package you can achieve perfect results.

Sometimes inferior software won't allow one to make the adjustments that
are needed, for perfect results.

jonathon

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

Thanks for the assistance Rory, and everyone else who tried to help.

The reason for the difficulty was an obscure bug in OO_3.3, combined
with my unusual method of learning, ended up doing things that couldn't
be undone. Some changes made to master documents are tricky to reverse,
and some how got saved, so the master document became corrupt in a way
that was screwing up page numbering, even after everything inserted had
been deleted.

A search for numbering problems in master documents, reveals many have
had similar problems, and quit using OO in disgust because they wasted
so much time trying to solve it.

jrh

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Re: Page numbering

[Brian Barker]

At 06:51 06/10/2016 -0400, Lucetta Noname wrote:
Good bye Rory! Much appreciate all your advice and time spent here. 
Your advice has been invaluable.


Oh, he only said he's leaving *this thread*, not the mailing list. 
You can't get rid of him that easily!


;^)

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Re: Page numbering

[Brian Barker]

At 00:03 06/10/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:

On 10/5/2016 9:59 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
Aaargh! Please don't involve new red herrings. Page numbering is 
controlled by *page styles*, not templates, not the clutch pedal, 
not the key of C# minor ...


Until page numbering was added to the template, page numbering 
didn't work, so the template must be significant.


You are welcome to continue to ignore advice.

I would guess the vast majority of OO users, don't use master 
documents, and would encounter similar problems if they tried.


Others have suggested that you would do better to abandon the master 
document route. If nothing else, wouldn't it help you to get to grips 
with page styles and page numbering in a simple document first?



Some simple answers should solve the problem.


Your problem is definitely not any lack of answers. And you certainly 
cannot learn this stuff from answers. You may be able to get a 
particular document to work this way, but you will still be 
complaining that you don't understand what Writer is doing.



From the writers guide:
Be sure the first page of this new document is set to the page style 
you want for the first page of the final document; if it is not, change it.


Is this done by inserting a page break, and selecting something from the menu?


No. Why not use the Styles and Formatting panel, as has been 
suggested? Just double-click the required (page) style.


In our example, the style for the first page is Title page. There is 
no Title page option, but there is a first page, is this what should 
be selected, or am I on the wrong track?


There is indeed no built-in Title Page page style - so this must be a 
user-created style created earlier in the description of the example 
you are following.


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Re: Page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

This is my last post on this thread - I have other calls on my time.  

Not knowing exactly what the OP has in his file (and, to be honest, not caring 
very much), what I advise him to do is:
Position cursor as first character in his file.  Press Ctrl Enter to insert a 
page before.  Now place cursor on that page, Right click on the page style 
shown in  the Status Bar (usually bottom bar of OO window - I am working on the 
assumption that OO is set to standard default settings) - the page style in use 
is probably, hopefully Default). From the popup select First Page.  This should 
change the inserted page to First Page style, and subsequent pages to Default.

Now modify First Page Style to use Headers/Footer, or not, as required, and 
insert any required content on that page (Title? Author? etc).

Modify Default page style to use Headers/Footers or not, as required.  In a 
Header or Footer (if used) on the Default page style, insert /Fields /Page 
Number.  Now reposition cursor at top of the second page and /Insert /Indexes 
and Tables /Indexes and tables, selecting Table of Contents from the dropdown.

All entries in the file formatted with Heading 1 paragraph style should now 
appear in the ToC just generated.


-- 
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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2016 9:59 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
Aaargh! Please don't involve new red herrings. Page numbering is 
controlled by *page styles*, not templates, not the clutch pedal, not 
the key of C# minor ... 
Until page numbering was added to the template, page numbering didn't 
work, so the template must be significant.


I would guess the vast majority of OO users, don't use master documents, and
would encounter similar problems if they tried.

Some simple answers should solve the problem.

From the writers guide:

1) Open a new document from the template you created in Step 2,
by clicking New > Templates and Documents, then selecting
the template you created.

Be sure the first page of this new document is set to
the page style you want for the first page of the final
document; if it is not, change it.

Is this done by inserting a page break,
and selecting something from the menu?

In our example, the style for the first page is Title page.

There is no Title page option, but their is a first page,
is this what should be selected, or am I on the wrong track?

jrh

Re: Page numbering

[Brian Barker]

At 01:29 05/10/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:

Can a style be edited after it's used? If so how is it done?


Yes. And for page styles (which is what you should be talking about 
here), it happens that there is an even easier way than the general 
way, using the Styles and Formatting window, that others have 
explained. Character and paragraph formatting can be achieved by 
local formatting or through styles, but page formatting is achieved 
only through styles. If you go to Format | Page..., you will see that 
the panel is headed Page Style: , and changes that you make 
there are changes to the page style of the current page and affect 
all pages with that style.


The instructions said insert a manual break, [...] and page break. 
[...] At below the options is a pop down of styles.


Those are just all the page styles currently available, whether they 
are built-in, built-in but modified by you, or new ones created by you.


I use First page for the Title, expecting it not to have a page 
number, but it does.


The default First Page page style has no header or footer, let alone 
a page number. You must have inserted this. When you insert a header 
or footer, you modify the page style to have one.


If I knew how to use the tool, I could figure out the structure, but 
knowing neither makes it very hard to use.


That's correct, you do have to learn how to use the tool before it 
will become second nature.


At 02:08 05/10/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:

On 10/4/2016 6:57 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
Why use a legacy version? Is the bug that you have yet to upgrade 
software from January 2011 which was rendered obsolete in May 2012?


I'm working on an obsolete computer with limited disk space, and 
it's a simple project that won't be using advanced features.


I don't think that current version are any more demanding that your 
3.3, so upgrading ought to be possible. But - as I explained - this 
is almost certainly irrelevant here as the facilities you need were 
in that version anyway.


I don't know the structure of the style process, or any familiarity 
with the tools. What's intuitively obvious to you, will make little 
sense to me until I understand it.


It's not a question of what I understand or you don't. You said some 
options that were shown in the documentation were not available to 
you. I asked what they were. If you say what they are, it may be 
possible to help.


When I right click on a paragraph, I get a pop down menu with 
Default at the top, ...


That's "Default Formatting", in  fact. And it's not (as you appear to 
think) a title for the menu but simply one of the menu items.


... and a list of properties. I assume if they're changed, it 
changes the default, not a good idea.


No: these items change local formatting of the currently selected 
text. The term "default" is often confusing. If you do change any 
styles, even ones that happen to be named Default, this changes those 
styles for the current document - as you may well wish to do. It 
doesn't affect the default in the sense of the default for your 
installation of OpenOffice - the styles in any new document are unaffected.



Towards the bottom is: Edit Paragraph Style...


This is irrelevant if you are still asking about page numbering, 
which is controlled by *page* styles, not paragraph styles.



So what needs to be done to get page numbering, centering, and fonts for:
The Title page,
the Copyright notice,
and the table of contents.


It's infeasible to present a complete introduction to page numbering, 
page styles, manual page breaks, tables of contents, and so on in 
e-mail correspondence. That is why people have referred you to 
appropriate helpful documentation. If you are good at reading 
manuals, you should find these a help. Once you have got the general 
idea of how to achieve what you need, it is very easy to ask 
questions about the detail and get helpful replies. Failing that, you 
may prefer to read a book, enrol in a course, join a club, get local 
help from a friend, and so on.


I would like the table of contents to have page numbers for the 
chapters, and it would be nice to have the chapter names come from 
the documents. Is that easy to do?


Yes. You need to give your chapter names one of the Heading paragraph styles.

At 02:33 05/10/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:
Is there a way to change the style selected when a break was 
inserted? If not, how are they found and deleted?


Yes: that's easy.
o Put the cursor at the very start of the new page (created by the 
manual page break) - just under the tell-tale dark blue line 
displaying the page break.

o Press Backspace.
o This will remove the page break and you can re-insert it, this time 
choosing the desired new page style.


At 14:47 05/10/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:

From what I understand, styles are associated with paragraphs, not pages, ...


No. Character, paragraph, page, frame, and list styles all exist. To 
control page numbering

Re: Page numbering

[Martin Groenescheij]

On 06/10/16 10:02 AM, John Hart wrote:

On 10/5/2016 3:11 PM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
The problem is that you don't read the answers given already to you. 
for example Rory said in one of his many answers :


One can certainly edit a style after it is used.

AND, he also said

The built in styles are usually adequate for all but the most complex 
formatting, so I took his advice and was seeking information on how to

use them.


Most cases is not the same as all cases.



AND, When what I was told to do didn't work, I was trying to clarify
what needed to be done to get the correct style in the right place.

The response I was looking for was a set of instructions on how to
accomplish a simple task, not criticism for failing to master what
a novice user should be able to do in a flash.

I don't want a polished document, just a draft with a title and table of
contents. I know how powerful styles can be, but that doesn't mean is
should be difficult to set up for a simple task.

I would appreciate it, if someone who understands the underlying 
structure page numbering in styles would explain how they work at the 
software level.


This is a user mailing list. For an explanation of the underlying 
structure you need to talk to the developers, who
by the way seldom visit this mailing list. We're happy to give advice on 
a voluntary basis , but hand holding is

something different.



Starting with the template.
Does the title page need a different template without page numbering?


Title pages don't need to be different, but can be different based on 
your requirements.



If not, what overrides the page number, how is it inserted, and where
does it go?
etc.



It's the results that count, not the tools you use.
To achieve perfect results you don't need a perfect application, even 
with a crap package you can achieve perfect results.



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Re: Page numbering

[toki]

On 05/10/2016 21:47, John Hart wrote:

> From what I understand, styles are associated with paragraphs, not pages,

There are:
* Page Styles;
* Paragraph Styles;
* Numbering Styles;
* Character Styles;

Depending upon how configured, these styles can be used to trigger other
things.

In my example, a slight modification of Header 1, results in the page
style Right Page being inserted before the heading.

> All I wanted to do was put a title page, and table of contents in front
> of a multi file document that prints exactly as it needs to. 

Title page that flows into copyright page that flows into
FrontMatterRightPage that flows into FrontMatterLeftPage, that flows
into FrontMatterRightPage, etc.

Then use Header One that automatically insert RightPage before the
header, after make that configuration.

>Why this is  so complex, in what is supposed to be a mature software
package used by
 millions is hard to under stand.

It is complex, precisely because it a mature package, for which people
have used for a plethora of use cases that you probably never dreamed
existed.

jonathon

> In user friendly software, this should take about ten minutes, not ten hours.

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2016 3:11 PM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
The problem is that you don't read the answers given already to you. 
for example Rory said in one of his many answers :


One can certainly edit a style after it is used.

AND, he also said

The built in styles are usually adequate for all but the most complex 
formatting, so I took his advice and was seeking information on how to
use them.

AND, When what I was told to do didn't work, I was trying to clarify
what needed to be done to get the correct style in the right place.

The response I was looking for was a set of instructions on how to
accomplish a simple task, not criticism for failing to master what
a novice user should be able to do in a flash.

I don't want a polished document, just a draft with a title and table of
contents. I know how powerful styles can be, but that doesn't mean is
should be difficult to set up for a simple task.

I would appreciate it, if someone who understands the underlying structure page 
numbering in styles would explain how they work at the software level.

Starting with the template.
Does the title page need a different template without page numbering?
If not, what overrides the page number, how is it inserted, and where
does it go?
etc.

jrh


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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2016 10:30 AM, toki wrote:

Look at the page style for Chapter 1. It should be_Right Page_.

1. A right click on the first page of chapter 1 brings up a menu.
2. Towards the bottom of the menu is Edit Paragraph Style.
3. Is this the right place to make the change?

The Organizer tab shows:

Name,Pre formatted text, which can't be changed.
Next style,  Pre formatted text, and the pop down menu has many selections,
 none close to "Right Page"
Linked with, Default, and the pop down menu has a similar but different
 list of selections, none close to "Right Page"

From what I understand, styles are associated with paragraphs, not pages,
and style changes propagate in some magic way that makes them work if they
are placed correctly in an underlying structure by a myriad of tools who's
use is NOT intuitively obvious.

All I wanted to do was put a title page, and table of contents in front 
of a multi file document that prints exactly as it needs to. Why this is 
so complex, in what is supposed to be a mature software package used by 
millions is hard to under stand. If volunteers at OO want their project 
to succeed they need to stop adding features, and make it easy for first 
users to do something productive with the software without having to 
learn a bunch of

intricate complexities.

This is the structure
text1, when empty, prints correct
file1, prints correct
file2, prints correct
text2, empty

The question: What needs to go in text1 in what order to make it work.

If files can be linked into text1, than all that would be in it is the
commands to make the styles put the Title Page, and Contents page in
front of file1, and start the page numbering with one.

In user friendly software, this should take about ten minutes,
not ten hours.

jrh

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Re: Page numbering

[toki]

On 05/10/2016 08:38, John Hart wrote:

> The Title, Copyright, and Table were pasted into the TEXT block
> at the beginning, separated by inserted Manual Breaks. 

Look at the page style for Chapter 1. It should be _Right Page_.
If it isn't, then the simplest way to correct it, is to modify the
Chapter header to force a page break before the heading, with a page
style of _Right Page_.

>If those  breaks were wrong, can they be replaced, or edited?

IMNSHO, manually inserting is begging for style / layout issues.  Much
better to configure the styles (page and/or paragraph) to flow into the
formatting you want.

jonathon

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Re: Page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:08:59 -0700
John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:

> On 10/4/2016 6:57 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
> > Why use a legacy version? Is the bug that you have yet to upgrade 
> > software from January 2011 which was rendered obsolete in May 2012?
> >
> I'm working on an obsolete computer with limited disk space,
> and it's a simple project that won't be using advanced features.
> 
> >
> > The 3.3 Writer Guide illustrates (on page 182) that the same options 
> > are available in manual page breaks as in current versions (and as in 
> > Illustration 20 in the Writer for Students manual). What are you not 
> > seeing? 
> I don't know the structure of the style process, or any familiarity with 
> the tools. What 's intuitively obvious to you,
> will make little sense to me until I understand it.
> 
> When I right click on a paragraph, I get a pop down menu with Default at 
> the top, and a list of properties.
> I assume if they're changed, it changes the default, not a good idea.
> 
> Towards the bottom is: Edit Paragraph Style...
> 
> It brings up the style editor, which has more properties than the pop 
> down, and a place for a name.
> If  the name is changed and the changes saved, I assume it will get 
> added to the style list.
> 
> In the editing screen there is an item that says: Next Style,  and the 
> box has Default in it.
> I'm not sure what it's for, but it's obviously important.

That is the follow-on style that will be applied after using the first style; 
in my case I use the following sequence 
Heading 1 (shows as Chapter nn)
Heading 2 (Chapter title)
Heading 3 (section title)
Heading 4 (date/time of the action in this section - this will ultimately be 
eliminated from the finished work)
FirstPara (paragraph style, using Drop caps, set with first line flush left)
Default (standard paragraph style)
Default (continuing until I use another Heading 1 for a new chapter)

> 
> Below it is another item that says: Linked with, the box has None in it.
> I don't know what this does either.

"Linked with" allows a style to be based on another style; not always 
available.  Any changes made to the linked style may echo through to the new 
style.


> Below it is Category, Text Styles, grayed out,
> and below that a large box with the label: Contains, inside it, don't 
> count lines.
> 
> So what needs to be done to get page numbering, centering, and fonts for:
> The Title page,
> the Copyright notice,
> and the table of contents.
> 
> I would like the table of contents to have page numbers for the chapters,
> and it would be nice to have the chapter names come from the documents.
> Is that easy to do?
> 
> jrh
> 

Initially use Heading 1 style for Chapter names.
Default setting for ToC displays the chapter names taken from the Heading 1 
styles and the page numbers of the chapters.
-- 
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Re: Page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 02:33:46 -0700
John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:

> On 10/5/2016 1:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> > My advice is to forget working on your main document for the present - it 
> > is too complex for initial learning and one is always worried that a wrong 
> > action will destroy it.  Make a short trial file and use that to set up 
> > sample page numbering.
> The main document is just a list of files. It makes it a little slow 
> opening,
> but there's no danger of them being corrupted, and they're securely 
> backed up.
> 
> I brought up the style editor, which has more properties than the pop down.
> It has a place for a name, but it wouldn't let me change it. It was
> opened by right clicking on a paragraph, which is probably why. How
> are new styles created, and shouldn't the styles that came with the
> software be sufficient for the simple task of making a Title page,
> Copyright page, and table of contents?

The built in styles are usually adequate for all but the most complex 
formatting.  They may be modified to suit the User's specific design 
requirements.

When one right clicks on a style in Styles and Formatting (also known as "the 
Stylist") one should get an option for New, Modify, Delete (Delete will not be 
available for built-in styles).  One should check that the option in the bottom 
bar of "Styles and Formatting" wind is set to "All" (at least initially) and 
that one has clicked on the icon appropriate to the styles one wishes to edit.
> 
> Is there a way to change the style selected when a break was inserted?
> If not, how are they found and deleted?

When using /Insert /Manual break to insert a Page break, one can select the 
page style to be inserted from the Style dropdown on that window.  If the 
"Styles and Formatting" window is open, the current style is shown highlighted 
- this works across the five style type selections controlled by the five 
icons. The style of the selected page is also indicated on the Status Bar, 
about 1/3 way across.  Status Bar is usually the bottom bar of OO Window 
(unless it has been moved)

-- 
Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie>

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/5/2016 1:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

My advice is to forget working on your main document for the present - it is 
too complex for initial learning and one is always worried that a wrong action 
will destroy it.  Make a short trial file and use that to set up sample page 
numbering.
The main document is just a list of files. It makes it a little slow 
opening,
but there's no danger of them being corrupted, and they're securely 
backed up.


I brought up the style editor, which has more properties than the pop down.
It has a place for a name, but it wouldn't let me change it. It was
opened by right clicking on a paragraph, which is probably why. How
are new styles created, and shouldn't the styles that came with the
software be sufficient for the simple task of making a Title page,
Copyright page, and table of contents?

Is there a way to change the style selected when a break was inserted?
If not, how are they found and deleted?

Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/4/2016 6:57 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
Why use a legacy version? Is the bug that you have yet to upgrade 
software from January 2011 which was rendered obsolete in May 2012?



I'm working on an obsolete computer with limited disk space,
and it's a simple project that won't be using advanced features.



The 3.3 Writer Guide illustrates (on page 182) that the same options 
are available in manual page breaks as in current versions (and as in 
Illustration 20 in the Writer for Students manual). What are you not 
seeing? 
I don't know the structure of the style process, or any familiarity with 
the tools. What 's intuitively obvious to you,

will make little sense to me until I understand it.

When I right click on a paragraph, I get a pop down menu with Default at 
the top, and a list of properties.

I assume if they're changed, it changes the default, not a good idea.

Towards the bottom is: Edit Paragraph Style...

It brings up the style editor, which has more properties than the pop 
down, and a place for a name.
If  the name is changed and the changes saved, I assume it will get 
added to the style list.


In the editing screen there is an item that says: Next Style,  and the 
box has Default in it.

I'm not sure what it's for, but it's obviously important.

Below it is another item that says: Linked with, the box has None in it.
I don't know what this does either.

Below it is Category, Text Styles, grayed out,
and below that a large box with the label: Contains, inside it, don't 
count lines.


So what needs to be done to get page numbering, centering, and fonts for:
The Title page,
the Copyright notice,
and the table of contents.

I would like the table of contents to have page numbers for the chapters,
and it would be nice to have the chapter names come from the documents.
Is that easy to do?

jrh





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Re: Page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 01:29:32 -0700
John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:

> On 10/4/2016 6:05 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
> > The trick is to first set up the page styles.
> Can a style be edited after it's used?
> If so how is it done?

One can certainly edit a style after it is used.  The best way to to this 
(works for all versions) is to use /Format /Styles and Formatting (or F11 key). 
 The window that then opens provides access to all styles; this access is 
controlled by the five icons across the top of that window.

The first icon gives Paragraph styles, next icon Character Styles, then Frame 
styles, Page Styles and list styles.

Press the 4th icon from left to display page styles.  The precise selection of 
styles displayed can be controlled by the dropdown menu on that window bottom - 
initially use "All styles",

Right click on a style and choose Modify from the popup.  This should allow you 
to turn off Header/Footer display on the First Page Style (from memory, these 
should be off by default).

> 
> On the far left of the bottom command bar there's a toggle icon.
> One view shows a list of files, the other functions.
> 
> At the top of the file list is an object called text.
> The instructions implied the title, copyright, table of contents,
> and preface are in this block.
> The instructions said insert a manual break,
> which brings up a list of three options, line break, column break, and 
> page break. I don't know what a column break does, but the instructions 
> said page break so it doesn't matter. 

For Information: columns flow text from one column to the next.  If you wish to 
cease the flow of text in one column and move to the next column for text 
entry, you must insert a column break.  Frequently the need for a column break 
indicates that the user has made a wrong choice - instead of using columns and 
trying to position texts beside each other aligned across columns, a better 
choice might have been to use Tables, where the texts can be aligned in cells 
across a row,

>At below the options is a pop down 
> of styles.
> [none]
> Default
> Envelop
> First page
> Index
> Landscape
> Right page
> Left page
> 
> I use First page for the Title, expecting it not to have a page number,
> but it does.
> 
> Do I need four text blocks in front of the files? Or can the four
> sections go in one block? I would like the page numbers for the chapters
> in the table of contents. Is the Index used for that?


Page numbers are inserted into a ToC by the defining structures selected for 
the ToC.  My advice at present is to ignore the ToC and get  your document 
correctly paginated.  Insertion of a correctly formatted ToC should cause page 
numbering to automatically adjust to reflect the extra page(s) of the ToC.  Get 
pagination correct first.

> 
> If I understood the structure OO was creating, it would be easy to figure
> out how to use the tool. If I knew how to use the tool, I could figure out
> the structure, but knowing neither makes it very hard to use.
> 
> jrh

My advice is to forget working on your main document for the present - it is 
too complex for initial learning and one is always worried that a wrong action 
will destroy it.  Make a short trial file and use that to set up sample page 
numbering.

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/4/2016 6:43 PM, toki wrote:

Select the appropriate attributes for the appropriate styles.

I'd have to look at the document in question, to explain why it produces
the result it does. I suspect that it due to the inserted page not
having headers/footers in which page numbers can be inserted, and
forcing all subsequent pages to be of the same style.

Title page
Copyright page
Table of contents, would like the page number included.
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
...
Chapter n.
Epilogue

The Title, Copyright, and Table were pasted into the TEXT block
at the beginning, separated by inserted Manual Breaks. If those
breaks were wrong, can they be replaced, or edited?

Does it need three separate TEXT blocks at the beginning?

jrh

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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/4/2016 6:05 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:

The trick is to first set up the page styles.

Can a style be edited after it's used?
If so how is it done?

On the far left of the bottom command bar there's a toggle icon.
One view shows a list of files, the other functions.

At the top of the file list is an object called text.
The instructions implied the title, copyright, table of contents,
and preface are in this block.
The instructions said insert a manual break,
which brings up a list of three options, line break, column break, and 
page break. I don't know what a column break does, but the instructions 
said page break so it doesn't matter. At below the options is a pop down 
of styles.

[none]
Default
Envelop
First page
Index
Landscape
Right page
Left page

I use First page for the Title, expecting it not to have a page number,
but it does.

Do I need four text blocks in front of the files? Or can the four
sections go in one block? I would like the page numbers for the chapters
in the table of contents. Is the Index used for that?

If I understood the structure OO was creating, it would be easy to figure
out how to use the tool. If I knew how to use the tool, I could figure out
the structure, but knowing neither makes it very hard to use.

jrh

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Re: Page numbering

[Brian Barker]

At 16:17 04/10/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote:
The numbering system works until I insert pages in front of the body 
for the title, etc. Then every other page gets numbered, and if the 
number is odd, page numbering for

the whole document is turned off.


Format | Page... | Header (or Footer) | Same content left/right.


Is this a BUG ...


I doubt it. You haven't said enough about exactly what you are trying 
to do for anyone to know this.



... in OO 3.3 ...


Why use a legacy version? Is the bug that you have yet to upgrade 
software from January 2011 which was rendered obsolete in May 2012?


The manual discusses Roman Numeral numbering of the preface, and 
uses page break insertion options the version I'm using doesn't have.


The 3.3 Writer Guide illustrates (on page 182) that the same options 
are available in manual page breaks as in current versions (and as in 
Illustration 20 in the Writer for Students manual). What are you not seeing?


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: Page numbering

[toki]

On 04/10/2016 23:17, John Hart wrote:
> If it's not a BUG,  what needs to be added to make it work..

Select the appropriate attributes for the appropriate styles.

I'd have to look at the document in question, to explain why it produces
the result it does. I suspect that it due to the inserted page not
having headers/footers in which page numbers can be inserted, and
forcing all subsequent pages to be of the same style.

Regardless, it isn't a bug, but simply a misunderstanding of how to
configure page styles.

jonathon

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Re: Page numbering

[Girvin R. Herr]

On 10/04/2016 04:17 PM, John Hart wrote:

On 10/4/2016 12:12 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
Just because styles are powerful, doesn't mean they have to be hard 
to use.
>A list of style attributes, and a diagram of how they propagate 
would bemost useful. Does such a document exist?

>
>jrh
>

  See the file referenced in this posting for an overview of using Style
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=275320#p275320

This document may also be informative:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students
This latter document is "Writer for Students" (several languages)--

Unfortunately they don't provide the information I need.

The numbering system works until I insert pages in front of the body 
for the title, etc.
Then every other page gets numbered, and if the number is odd, page 
numbering for

the whole document is turned off.

Is this a BUG in OO 3.3 that was fixed in later versions?
If so, is there a workaround?
If it's not a BUG,  what needs to be added to make it work..
The manual discusses Roman Numeral numbering of the preface,
and uses page break insertion options the version I'm using doesn't have.

jrh


John,
Styles are your friend.
I have many documents that use Roman page numbers for the stuff in the 
beginning pages (prefix) and Arabic page numbers for the body pages.  
Also, my first page has no numbering, since it is a cover page.  The 
trick is to first set up the page styles.  Once the page styles are 
created, then these styles are displayed in the Manual page break 
"Style" list.  For example, my first page is the "First Page" style 
(duh).  The roman numeral page styles are "Left Prefix" and "Right 
Prefix".  Each style's "Next Style" is set to the other style (Left or 
Right), so it alternates as the document is written. The same with the 
"Left Page" and "Right Page" page styles, which are set to use Arabic 
numbers.  This number format is set under the Page Style "Page" tab  
under "Layout settings" "Format".  Also, I set these pages to restart 
page numbering so the body pages restart at 1, not continue from the 
last roman numbered page.  I do this so I can print them separately and 
save trees.  This restart can be done at the manual page break insertion 
by selecting the "Change page number" checkbox and entering the new 
start number in the box below.  Once the page styles are created, the 
alternating page styles can be set in the page organizer from the "Next 
Style" list. My "First Page" style lists "Left Prefix" as it's next 
style, so that switch is done automatically.  However, to go from either 
Prefix style to, say, "Right Page", one has to insert a page break 
specifying the "Right Page" style from the page break.  This is not done 
automatically and it is unrealistic to expect AOO to guess it.


Note that when, say, a left page style is created before the right style 
exists, the not-yet-existing right page style will not appear in the 
"Next Style" list.  I just select a placeholder (or leave the default) 
to continue the style creation and after the correct Next Style exists, 
I go back and change it.


Note also that the Left Page, Right Page and First Page styles are the 
stock template styles, just slightly modified.  The only new ("Custom") 
styles I created are the two "Prefix" styles.


Note also that I do not apply the "Default" page style.  All of my 
applied styles are based on "Default", but none are Default.  I reserve 
Default, since it is the root of all styles.  Changing it, changes all 
styles that are based on it.


Hope this helps.
Girvin Herr


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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/4/2016 12:12 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

Just because styles are powerful, doesn't mean they have to be hard to use.
>A list of style attributes, and a diagram of how they propagate would bemost 
useful. Does such a document exist?
>
>jrh
>
  
See the file referenced in this posting for an overview of using Style

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=275320#p275320

This document may also be informative:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students
This latter document is "Writer for Students" (several languages)--

Unfortunately they don't provide the information I need.

The numbering system works until I insert pages in front of the body for 
the title, etc.
Then every other page gets numbered, and if the number is odd, page 
numbering for

the whole document is turned off.

Is this a BUG in OO 3.3 that was fixed in later versions?
If so, is there a workaround?
If it's not a BUG,  what needs to be added to make it work..
The manual discusses Roman Numeral numbering of the preface,
and uses page break insertion options the version I'm using doesn't have.

jrh

Re: Page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 14:54:19 -0700
John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:

> On 10/3/2016 11:22 AM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 10/02/2016 11:04 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> >> In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab 
> >> and put a checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that 
> >> appears at page bottom, enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page 
> >> number. That presupposes you need the page number centred, hence the 
> >> tab.
> >>> Thanks, it worked correctly.
> >>>
> >>> The next problem is when the document is inserted into the master,
> >>> page numbering is lost. How are page numbers enabled in master
> >>> documents?
> >>>
> >>> jrh
> >> Other than care in selecting to use the same template for all 
> >> components of a master document I can make no suggestion.  I have 
> >> never needed to use the master documents structure for any of the 
> >> documents I have edited/written, irrespective of their size 
> >> (sometimes several thousand pages) and have only dabbled 
> >> inconclusively with master documents.
> >>
> >> Rory
> >>
> > +1
> > Several times in the past, I have looked at using a master document 
> > for a large document of mine.  However, in each case there was some 
> > difficulty I found with using a master document, that made me think it 
> > was just too much trouble.  In all of those cases, using a "flat" 
> > document was the best choice for me.
> > Girvin Herr
> >
> The immediate problem is solved. The template for the master document 
> didn't have a footer with the page number. Adding them to the template,
> it used, turned numbering on in all the files, saving a lot of time. 
> Knowing how something works is much more important to me, than long 
> winded instruction on how to use the program, especially when they don't 
> match what I'm trying to do.
> 
> Just because styles are powerful, doesn't mean they have to be hard to use.
> A list of style attributes, and a diagram of how they propagate would be 
> most useful. Does such a document exist?
> 
> jrh
>
 
See the file referenced in this posting for an overview of using Style
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=275320#p275320

This document may also be informative:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students
This latter document is "Writer for Students" (several languages)--

 
Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie>

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Re: Page numbering

[toki]

On 03/10/2016 21:54, John Hart wrote:

> A list of style attributes, and a diagram of how they propagate would be most 
> useful. Does such a document exist?

AFAIK, that doesn't exist for styles and templates that are included in
the default setup.

There are a couple of templates for which a separate document exists
that describes:
* each attribute of each style used in the template;
* what other styles are affected by an attribute change of a style;
* why each style was created;
* when to use each style;



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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/3/2016 11:22 AM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:



On 10/02/2016 11:04 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab 
and put a checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that 
appears at page bottom, enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page 
number. That presupposes you need the page number centred, hence the 
tab.

Thanks, it worked correctly.

The next problem is when the document is inserted into the master,
page numbering is lost. How are page numbers enabled in master
documents?

jrh
Other than care in selecting to use the same template for all 
components of a master document I can make no suggestion.  I have 
never needed to use the master documents structure for any of the 
documents I have edited/written, irrespective of their size 
(sometimes several thousand pages) and have only dabbled 
inconclusively with master documents.


Rory


+1
Several times in the past, I have looked at using a master document 
for a large document of mine.  However, in each case there was some 
difficulty I found with using a master document, that made me think it 
was just too much trouble.  In all of those cases, using a "flat" 
document was the best choice for me.

Girvin Herr

The immediate problem is solved. The template for the master document 
didn't have a footer with the page number. Adding them to the template,
it used, turned numbering on in all the files, saving a lot of time. 
Knowing how something works is much more important to me, than long 
winded instruction on how to use the program, especially when they don't 
match what I'm trying to do.


Just because styles are powerful, doesn't mean they have to be hard to use.
A list of style attributes, and a diagram of how they propagate would be 
most useful. Does such a document exist?


jrh


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Re: Page numbering

[Girvin R. Herr]

On 10/02/2016 11:04 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:41:17 -0700
John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:


On 10/2/2016 2:22 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

Page numbering question:

Is their a simple way to get page numbers at the bottom of the page?
Inserting a page number worked, but following pages didn't inherit
property. Do I have to create a footer and insert the page number into it?

jrh

In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab and put a 
checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that appears at page bottom, 
enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page number. That presupposes you need the 
page number centred, hence the tab.
Thanks, it worked correctly.

The next problem is when the document is inserted into the master,
page numbering is lost. How are page numbers enabled in master
documents?

jrh

Other than care in selecting to use the same template for all components of a 
master document I can make no suggestion.  I have never needed to use the 
master documents structure for any of the documents I have edited/written, 
irrespective of their size (sometimes several thousand pages) and have only 
dabbled inconclusively with master documents.

Rory


+1
Several times in the past, I have looked at using a master document for 
a large document of mine.  However, in each case there was some 
difficulty I found with using a master document, that made me think it 
was just too much trouble.  In all of those cases, using a "flat" 
document was the best choice for me.

Girvin Herr


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Re: Page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:41:17 -0700
John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:

> On 10/2/2016 2:22 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> >> Page numbering question:
> >> >
> >> >Is their a simple way to get page numbers at the bottom of the page?
> >> >Inserting a page number worked, but following pages didn't inherit
> >> >property. Do I have to create a footer and insert the page number into it?
> >> >
> >> >jrh
> 

> In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab and put 
> a checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that appears at page 
> bottom, enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page number. That presupposes you 
> need the page number centred, hence the tab.
> Thanks, it worked correctly.
> 
> The next problem is when the document is inserted into the master,
> page numbering is lost. How are page numbers enabled in master
> documents?
> 
> jrh

Other than care in selecting to use the same template for all components of a 
master document I can make no suggestion.  I have never needed to use the 
master documents structure for any of the documents I have edited/written, 
irrespective of their size (sometimes several thousand pages) and have only 
dabbled inconclusively with master documents.

Rory

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Re: Page numbering

[Martin Groenescheij]

Sent from my mobile device.

> On 3 Oct 2016, at 10:41 AM, John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:
> 
> On 10/2/2016 2:22 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>>> Page numbering question:
>>> >
>>> >Is their a simple way to get page numbers at the bottom of the page?
>>> >Inserting a page number worked, but following pages didn't inherit
>>> >property. Do I have to create a footer and insert the page number into it?
>>> >
>>> >jrh
>> In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab and put 
>> a checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that appears at page 
>> bottom, enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page number. That presupposes you 
>> need the page number centred, hence the tab.
> Thanks, it worked correctly.
> 
> The next problem is when the document is inserted into the master,
> page numbering is lost. How are page numbers enabled in master
> documents?
> 

It's called a Master document for good reasons.
The Master document takes control, so setup page numbering in the Master 
document.

> jrh


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Re: Page numbering

[John Hart]

On 10/2/2016 2:22 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

Page numbering question:
>
>Is their a simple way to get page numbers at the bottom of the page?
>Inserting a page number worked, but following pages didn't inherit
>property. Do I have to create a footer and insert the page number into it?
>
>jrh

In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab and put a 
checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that appears at page bottom, 
enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page number. That presupposes you need the 
page number centred, hence the tab.

Thanks, it worked correctly.

The next problem is when the document is inserted into the master,
page numbering is lost. How are page numbers enabled in master
documents?

jrh

Re: Page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 02:08:43 -0700
John Hart <jh...@testra.com> wrote:

> Page numbering question:
> 
> Is their a simple way to get page numbers at the bottom of the page?
> Inserting a page number worked, but following pages didn't inherit
> property. Do I have to create a footer and insert the page number into it?
> 
> jrh


In the definition for the Page Style in use, click on the Footer tab and put a 
checkmark against Footer On. Then click in the box that appears at page bottom, 
enter a tab, then /insert /Field /Page number. That presupposes you need the 
page number centred, hence the tab.

See also the [Tutorial] Page numbering at
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=1221
for more detailed numbering information.

This document may be generally informative:
It is a guide to Writer for students (several languages)
on general formatting with OpenOffice, at
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students
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Page numbering

[John Hart]

Page numbering question:

Is their a simple way to get page numbers at the bottom of the page?
Inserting a page number worked, but following pages didn't inherit
property. Do I have to create a footer and insert the page number into it?

jrh


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Re: Page Numbering in OpenOffice

[Dave]

 Original Message  
From: Cheryl
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:44:55 -0500

> A question I have for you.  You have to pay a subscription price to be
> on the mailing list?

In answer to just one aspect of your issue is absolutely NOT. Everything
here is FREE. The only restriction is, if there there are (and there are
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Re: Page Numbering in OpenOffice

[Cheryl]

Thank you for replying so quickly. I didn't expect an answer this soon.  
I did everything including going into OpenOffice but nothing seemed to 
work.  However, I did find some notes I have about page numbering I 
didn't think I had.  I found the notes after emailing the problem to you.


These are the instructions that are simple and easy to use: 
Format/Page/Footers menu (I prefer Header). Click on Footer On. UNCLICK 
Same content left/right.  On an even page click on Insert/Fields/Page 
Number and align to the left.  On an odd page click on 
Insert/Fields/Page Number and align to the right.  Of course, the 
cursors have to be on the page you want them to be.  It works  You 
can pass this on. Only thing is when you do the even pages, you have do 
the Insert/Fields/Page Number for page 4.   After that, all even numbers 
will appear and all of the page numbers are shown from there.


I didn't realize I had these notes from a while back.  But I found the 
solution after trying for several days of copying, pasting, and printing 
notes from the Internet.  Don't get me wrong.  I like OpenOffice and 
have bragged to everyone about it.  I just want to  be able to do things 
in OpenOffice as an alternative to MS Office.


A question I have for you.  You have to pay a subscription price to be 
on the mailing list?


Thank you,

Cheryl

On 12/15/2015 3:17 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 2015-12-14, 8:10 PM Cheryl wrote concerning "Page Numbering in 
OpenOffice":

To whom it may concern,

I'm very disappointed with OpenOffice.  I thought it would be easy, 
but it isn't.  I am having problems with page numbering. I've tried 
everything and nothing seems to work.


Did you try looking in the help section of OpenOffice? The 
instructions are there.


Page is easy in MS Word.  I want to be able to in OpenOffice insert 
page numbers either footer or header ( I prefer header) with even 
pages on the left and odd pages on the right, and not showing number 
1 on page 1.  I want to show on the second page number 2 followed by 
number 3, 4, and so on.  But that's not happening.


It is easy in OpenOffice if you follow the instructions in the help 
section.


Like I said before, it's not doing that.  I very aggravated and 
frustrated with OpenOffice.  I want to continue using it, but need 
help. I've gone on the Internet looking for answers.


Try https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=1221

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Re: Page Numbering in OpenOffice

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2015-12-14, 8:10 PM Cheryl wrote concerning "Page Numbering in OpenOffice":

To whom it may concern,

I'm very disappointed with OpenOffice.  I thought it would be easy, but it isn't.  I am 
having problems with page numbering. I've tried everything and nothing seems to work.


Did you try looking in the help section of OpenOffice? The instructions are 
there.

Page is easy in MS Word.  I want to be able to in OpenOffice insert page numbers either 
footer or header ( I prefer header) with even pages on the left and odd pages on the right, 
and not showing number 1 on page 1.  I want to show on the second page number 2 followed by 
number 3, 4, and so on.  But that's not happening.


It is easy in OpenOffice if you follow the instructions in the help section.

Like I said before, it's not doing that.  I very aggravated and frustrated with OpenOffice.  
I want to continue using it, but need help.  I've gone on the Internet looking for answers.


Try https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=1221

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Edgard Varese

Page Numbering in OpenOffice

[Cheryl]

To whom it may concern,

I'm very disappointed with OpenOffice.  I thought it would be easy, but 
it isn't.  I am having problems with page numbering.  I've tried 
everything and nothing seems to work.


Page is easy in MS Word.  I want to be able to in OpenOffice insert page 
numbers either footer or header ( I prefer header) with even pages on 
the left and odd pages on the right, and not showing number 1 on page 
1.  I want to show on the second page number 2 followed by number 3, 4, 
and so on.  But that's not happening.


Like I said before, it's not doing that.  I very aggravated and 
frustrated with OpenOffice.  I want to continue using it, but need 
help.  I've gone on the Internet looking for answers.


Cheryl

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page numbering

[Katharine Richardson]

I have figured out how to number my pages with Page 1 beginning on the
third page.  However, when I file/save, it saves with page ! beginning on
first page.  How do I get it to file what I want?
Kate

Re: page numbering

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 15:02:50 -0400
Katharine Richardson katesnative...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have figured out how to number my pages with Page 1 beginning on the
 third page.  However, when I file/save, it saves with page ! beginning on
 first page.  How do I get it to file what I want?
 Kate

You have to use different a page style for page 1 and 2, a style that differs 
from that used for pages 3 onwards.  There are good tutorials at

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71t=44607
and

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71t=1221

and a sample document and structure instructions at

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71t=58558#p275320





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Re: Page Numbering Feature

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:32:54 +0100
Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:

 On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:03:03 -0500
 Bro. Luby D. Jackson ldjack...@eastex.net wrote:
 
  I have the latest update/upgrade of OO.  I have tried to follow the 
  online help section but I don't know how to add page numbers.  Is there 
  a simple way/method to auto add page numbering to this great software?
  
 
 /Insert /Field /Page Number is the quick eway
 
 For more detail see
 
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71t=1221 (Page 
 Numbering tutorial)
 
 https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71t=44607 (Page Styles 
 and Headers/footers)
 
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Would somebody kindly forward the above message to ldjack...@eastex.net as his 
email provider is refusing emails from my ISP.


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Page Numbering Feature

[Bro. Luby D. Jackson]

I have the latest update/upgrade of OO.  I have tried to follow the 
online help section but I don't know how to add page numbers.  Is there 
a simple way/method to auto add page numbering to this great software?


Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 11:31:22 -0600 (MDT)
JEANNETTE LINDSAY hjlind...@shaw.ca wrote:


I really enjoy the open office program. The only problem I am having is that it is 
constantly crashing. I have removed the program several times and reinstalled it. I again 
downloaded it yesterday. When I tried to open it to do some work it Crashed. I can not 
access it at all. It will come up with the following: Due to an unexpected error, 
OpenOffice crashed. All the files you were working on will now be saved. The next time 
OpenOffice is launched, your files will be recovered automatically. Could you 
please advise me on how to access my documents with this program. I have several 
important documents that I need.
Thank you in advance for any help you can give me.
Sincerely
Jeannette Lindsay

You should start by deleting or renaming your OpenOffice user profile. If you 
are using Windows do this by:
Close OpenOffice and the Quickstarter. Open File Explorer. Copy and paste 
%appdata%\OpenOffice\4 in the File Explorer Address Bar and press Enter. Rename the 
user folder. Start OpenOffice.

Note that reinstalling OpenOffice does not generate a new User Profile..  You 
must explicitly delete it.

If you are not using Windows, details on how to do this are given in
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426





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page numbering

[Ruth Wainwright]

HELP! I've written a document several pages long - 1260 words, 1.5 spacing, 12 
point Helvetica. But it continues to say page 1 throughout, and refuses to 
insert any footers.

I want to number the pages, and tried going to Insert – Footer, but must surely 
have done something wrong. I have turned on the non-printing characters, but 
can see nothing wrong.

What can I do?
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Re: page numbering

[Julian Thomas]

On 19 Jun 2014, at 13:39, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:

 Delete the number 1 in the first footer, then position your cursor in the 
 footer, and /Insert /Page Number field.

Insert - Field - Page Number

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Re: Page numbering assistance

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 18:12:26 -0400
Jay Shannon jm1shan...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hello, I am hoping you can help me. I'm attempting to format my novel using 
 OpenOffice and am having difficulties with the page numbering. I'm entirely 
 illiterate when it comes to your support forums which is why I'm contacting 
 you via this website.
  
 I've enlisted the Manual Break function, which works for me. The initial 
 blank pages and copyright is one break, unnumbered. Next, for my contents and 
 preamble I have another break, numbered with roman numerals, then my title 
 page (two pages, the second one blank), which I want unnumbered, and then the 
 prologue begins at Page 1.
  
 The problem is, even though the title page(s) are their own break, when I add 
 page numbering to the body of the book, page numbers then insert themselves 
 into the title page(s). If I delete them from the title page(s), they delete 
 themselves from the body of the book.
  
 How can I avoid this?

Page numbering is not a document property. It is a Page Style Property.  Every 
time you change the format of page numbering, such as On or Off, Roman 
numerals, Arabic numerals, etc, you need to use a different Page Style, which 
style is introduced by the /Insert /Break /Page Break mechanism. 

This tutorial on Page Numbering may help:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71t=1221 
as may this on Page Styles and headers/footers
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71t=44607

If your problems continue, I suggest you bring them to the Forum at
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum
where you will get speedy help.

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Page numbering assistance

[Jay Shannon]

Hello, I am hoping you can help me. I'm attempting to format my novel using 
OpenOffice and am having difficulties with the page numbering. I'm entirely 
illiterate when it comes to your support forums which is why I'm contacting you 
via this website.
 
I've enlisted the Manual Break function, which works for me. The initial 
blank pages and copyright is one break, unnumbered. Next, for my contents and 
preamble I have another break, numbered with roman numerals, then my title page 
(two pages, the second one blank), which I want unnumbered, and then the 
prologue begins at Page 1.
 
The problem is, even though the title page(s) are their own break, when I add 
page numbering to the body of the book, page numbers then insert themselves 
into the title page(s). If I delete them from the title page(s), they delete 
themselves from the body of the book.
 
How can I avoid this?
 
Jason Shannon