[users] Re: Templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/06/2011 20:10, RA Brown wrote: through the template site @ http://templates.services.openoffice.org/ . There also is OpenTemplate.org jonathon - -- All emails sent to this with email address with a precedence other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN+oFzAAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKuMIIAKfGoGCm1d1m8woCx5mMfCCm ptM7mT9n4nPGGlYR2ONjUYfjt8kPh3pLKNY1fMJyMKPcPbjR+GeUJLFORCTeexUU syprlPEG6/lTP4TTvuesytl9S0Ru5ZD/xiI1eH14XCCW/i7/WE7d05NW44wLC+cJ iu9ZR9oW03sOtvtzwcCpZusDBq8HrufBg0nN+ihRwzmFafiuAmlMfVNMhJTA5I6W o0WubTIhvySh7iC11SphcswR8l8EPgQ/czZyDN8qw+2GdF71kBvCcr+GbWllReGt fngHMcC9BGt403JSfVEfc1pawJIyPpoXz871YRr/5UmER09djDfJ9ZOGN+qlNko= =7XiU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - To unsubscribe send email to users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[users] Re: Potential Problems with Large Documents?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 15/05/2011 08:16, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: If you open AndrewMacro.odt in OOo 3.3 and then close the document, OOo will crash. This is because there are more than 32K (or is that 64K) style changes in the document. Note that this bug is fixed in OOo 3.4 I believe (or at least the dev versions that I have run contain the fix). Can you explain more than 32K style changes in the document in more detail? I don't remember ever having OOo crash because I was using too many styles. Even in those documents that contained text in a hundred different languages, and a dozen paragraph styles for each language. IOW, text that used more than 1,000 paragraph styles, in addition to umpteen hundred (¿500?) character styles, 30+ page styles, 100+ list styles, and ten frame styles. OOo was stable. Saving the document to MS Word format, and then opening it with MSO on Windows is a different story. It is trivial to create documents with OOo on Windows, that when opened with MSO on Windows will cause an instant Blue Screen of Death. jonathon - -- All emails sent to this with email address with a precedence other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN0Cq2AAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKXM4H/jfMomvYBBN5KnnX1dofg8vp W6y9IVn4rhYZRaAOOUbjnq/egFtuGba1uQY/P96cY46Qo7KOnV56rkvXc8lSgVy2 Proi/1fcyJdqRZowbFJsJ10lHIJk6OXdz+LaO70WCjjWKzHxvnrkx2puWVDpLmi3 jIVuc+2i4AifomiOz4g20AaAXb0/uESolw0EbYpvOyyBPqbqnTLykdhq5rxFwrUA nki5NxB2IQ6xhwvU1w+vLOtPCtJToL/m+GlbLGcnaaFGu9H4sr5eTBG0wiPO1WWi UzA7CmYEdHPypcpmJrhl5wpC1OAG/NFnjoSxJdunZbmkvFIG+SlB2SJUhclIFbA= =ax6f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - To unsubscribe send email to users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[users] Re: cancellation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26/04/2011 18:35, Michael Reich wrote: It's mind-boggling that people would pay $47 for free software for which the vendor (http://www-openoffice.com/index.php) Not everybody knows/realises that it can be obtained gratis. includes support that consists of the ability to send them an email, The support also includes the documentation written by OOAuthors. jonathon - -- All emails sent to this with email address with a precedence other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNuP15AAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKdlMH/RJfr+3cEvDWZG7j1fQtfEIT 2Xlx61Uhtsy1rr+hTf2Kt2fsZFCBuKXM0gThI5a0v0yn9cSHVarRaCO0fjWj2oUb XCB7R4ZdOZEjpzxve+zUpEo60/8gEc7N2IgY219ewW8DPUC+hcmAYkRhh6P67z/b MDJRzGZz/01rPcPg9HIggPrzJuWqmz6+YEb2l5zwgIeS0VSUNRbLX69QCKHZVCwm gytBqyXwDouClT40PcR6Hzi/aerfPSw0s5vkNnQOjnf8D2ClKbwQK9Avd+i+DJuE J+SI/skQqDbwI+XX3m5eTZxNPQPZIdQZcmszNAAmwOSg5d2Tx6dOq7TIyAPUgtE= =GXGT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - To unsubscribe send email to users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
[users] Re: data corruption, presentation gone, PLEASE help URGENT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/04/2011 23:47, Britton Kerin wrote: 2. Closed an open oowriter document by clicking close window button. 3. It asked Force Quit she said yes. Take a look at the content of ~/.openoffice.org/3/user/backup You _might_ find the uncorrupted version of the file there. The Force Quit question is a major flaw. You should never see that message when closing a program. If that could somehow be replicated and investigated, it should be fixed. jonathon - -- All emails sent to this with email address with a precedence other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNpyZWAAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKKosIAJaScO06xR/r5eiHw2Ic/L7d H3HbBusugMP0MXHVXYOgRlYGPlk4ZCrKbjtswaa2KcI+ba0+5X86A+tff1u5vvuu G1LSgddiuD88fHbCGVQzi/1QRbSi+v5lIChqQtJzFOLc/AmoyhOG7//+YIDp24Gc JHnN9ufp8IOdspKD0KtQ9uRcHHpUUi51hQPbzWj7u36jsF/lOqv0y0zOH49r/D4W IOTDXMnHZ4FEGj7eWKLbpiL48DNpiRRqmql0eviUXrbfQfsJfEPkNda2nMzqH7s8 zWLc8E+9Ro8YJXyJlUfKwxhak8tIIFurz9H1xfiQOxuT9oZow4okqSrwShFVib4= =pZzk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - To unsubscribe send email to users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sy...@openoffice.org with Subject: help
Re: [users] Re: What happened to my dictionaries?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 02:19 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: I'd like to fix what is wrong with my OOo so it works like it is supposed to. Your description is how OOo is currently _supposed_ to work. If an attribute of a style change, then a new style is needed. IOW, what is broken is that OOo allows three languages per style, rather than one language per style. jonathon - -- email sent to this with email address with a precedence of other than bulk, or list, are forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNUu8DAAoJEDqP6lg9AbnKnXwH/2EYh7O4uiblKRSxOkLDipmp w1eLfyZT3CNBFrDW5e7PCW8UznDV6RuDnFEXjTzB+VX42RGQO27YoONr2CDtmHYK 1vNDsC6Rm9MZRiOQ4xrBztvIwwb30xDRJD77ZA7yiF5PlEL/MtDOX9zzvpgaf74g MElaiOC8qh/nLsZKVnBJsuBWQIAT0zcG3GdYZ9T2qlmJ4d/MNZAGw5b4Dx5uJ69W rHLP7ZbGfU9GXbhk3/QsD5SuxMLcFCAH+tT59BpjIJ9clh9r/TLSJnVfBdaOhsOQ ArT9mcpmGd+8MwAZJXyhmfd3hILiiW22rTB4DJv+WRn+ivrRGcou0MJnY30jK9Q= =N/s0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org 3.2 Printer Administration?
On 11/12/2010 01:37 PM, webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Why Go-OO does not think it is needed and Oracle's OOo does. Go-OO assumes that the only people that will use it run OOo headless. For that purpose, a menu is irrelevant. is there a listing of the differenced between the various branches of OOo. Between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openoffice.org and http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org you'll have what the most comprehensive listing of the differences between the various versions, that is publicly available. Until LibreOffice arrived on the scene, very little attention was paid to the various versions. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Re: OpenOffice.org 3.2 Printer Administration?
On 11/10/2010 08:59 PM, webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: As I said before, I have never seen this Printer Admin. option in any menu. Historically, it hasn't had a menu item, but it has been installed in the program directory. It isn't the only executable that OOo installs, but does not usually have a menu item created. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] The maximum number of row has been exceeded. Excess rows were not imported!
On 11/10/2010 06:25 AM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote: Please suggest/guide The version of OOo you use on Linux is from the Go-Oo repository. The version of OOo you use on Windows is from the Oracle repository. There are a number of subtle differences between the two versions. Which one to use, depends upon the features that your usage requires. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] open office 2009
On 11/08/2010 11:58 PM, JOE Conner wrote: OpenOffice2009 is a credit card fraud. See: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=11052 The same scammers also offer OpenOffice 2010 and OpenOffice 2011. I think that they also offer another name variant, but since I forward their spam to Dave Null jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org community council - only Oracle employees now??
On 11/01/2010 04:40 PM, Ingrid Halama wrote: They could choose a license politics with a central authority (e.g. TDF). Even if LibreOffice had a copyright assignment, that would not necessarily mean that that code could be used in OOo. Then the two projects would be in the position to make agreements to cooperate. Ponder on the difference between closed source software and open source software. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org community council - only Oracle employees now??
On 10/30/2010 08:15 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: So, do you take offense with StarOffice The issue is that Oracle is taking open source code, and making it exclusively closed source. and the fact that Oracle / Sun makes money selling licenses with support? I don't have an issue with selling support licenses. Note that the final product contains proprietary content (or at least last I checked it did). Gresham's Law. In the very early days, regular expressions and the database component were part of the proprietary content. Contrary to the OOo marketing material, OOo has contained a database engine since at least version 1.0. I have worked with more than one company that are not willing to move to a product that does not have support provided by the company that produces it. As Darl so wonderfully told the court: We did not need the copyrights to run the business. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org community council - only Oracle employees now??
On 10/28/2010 07:00 PM, Ingrid Halama wrote: I look at the votes of the issues. Looking at them is a possibility. However, the history of Issuezilla clearly demonstrates that votes have zero impact and zero influence in what Sun allowed to be added to OOo. Voting was clearly a sham, a means of creating the delusion that Sun was allowing the community to state their preferences. convincing and voting is the method to influence where the program goes. Which explains why the issue with the most votes was, for years, ignored. (I don't remember if it was that one, or a different issue in the top five, in terms of votes, that was closed with won't fix.) Write good bug reports, write good feature request. Give additional arguments to existing bugs or feature requests and vote! An interesting theory, that history proves to be false. Who is now in charge of the code our volunteers contribute? If it goes into the OOo cvs system, Oracle. If it goes into the LibreOffice, Go-OO, OxygenOffice, etc cvs system, the community. Again I need to correct jonathon. Code committed to OpenOffice.org is open to be taken and used from all others. go-oo did that in the past What is being ignored here, is that Oracle _OWNS_ the code that is in the OOo cvs system. So much so, that it can, and does legally distribute that code under a closed source, proprietary license. In contrary go-oo and LibreOffice have choosen a license politics that make it impossible to take their code and integrate it into OpenOffice.org. Er no. The issue is that neither Sun nor Oracle grokked FLOSS, and are simply using it as q way to get, or more preceisly, attempt to obtain developers that they (Sun, and then Oracle) do not have to pay. Sun, and subsequently Oracle, deliberately chose a Non-FLOSS license that they require all code to be distributed under. The ones that are playign the policital game, by choosing clsoed soruce licensing is Sun, and Oracle, not Go-OO and LibreOffice. So if you contribute code to OpenOffice.org it will went into most flavors or forks. Whilst that part is more or less accurate, consider that that is due to non-FLOSS forks that Sun, and subsequently Oracle have licensed the code to. If you choose to contribute to LibreOffice in contrary the code will only be there. Code contributed to Go-OO or LibreOffice can be used by any project that uses a compatible license. As such, Code in those projects can be used by Oracle, _when_ it decides that it will no longer create a closed source proprietary software, and change their license requirement accordingly. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null javascript:void(0); signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] OpenOffice.org community council - only Oracle employees now??
On 10/28/2010 12:05 AM, webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: So I am wondering if OpenOffice.org is now a corporate software without non-Oracle personnel part of the community council? There are still a couple of people on the council whose salary is not paid by Oracle. it looks like only Oracle employees are involved in the decision That isn't anything new. Do we the user base have any say in the product anymore, Any say that the users had, whilst OOo was run by Sun, was purely illusionary. Who is now in charge of the code our volunteers contribute? If it goes into the OOo cvs system, Oracle. If it goes into the LibreOffice, Go-OO, OxygenOffice, etc cvs system, the community. Who owns the rights to the code that is summit? Under the current contribution agreement, Oracle owns all rights to the code that is contributed to their cvs system. Oracle employees in control of the open source code, is it truly open Code contributed by Oracle is open source _only_ if it is in OpenOffice.org. even the code that was provided by non-Oracle sources. Technically, the code in OOo is open source, but with Oracle as the sole copyright owner. As such, there is nothing that the contributors can legally do, to prevent Oracle from declaring OOo 4.0 to be closed source, proprietary, and by the way you have to pay US$90 per license, with a 100 license minimum. Is this why more and more organizations are praising LibraOffice in their independent model for the future of the OpenOffice.org code base? Partially. Will there be a split in the community on who really represents the spirit of what OpenOffice.org is/was all about? That depends upon how soon, if ever, Oracle FLOSS, and that their attempt to outright own it, will result in them losing whatever they tried to own. IOW, their purchase of Sun might well end up being a multi-billion dollar loss for Oracle, because of Oracle's gross mismanagement practices. I do hope that Oracle will foster non-employee members as a part of the community council. I do hope there will be a real openness in the future of the Oracle's ownership/stewardship of the software that has the name of OpenOffice.org. This software is now 10 years old. Star-Writer 1.0 was released in 1984. That makes it twenty six years old. They do an bashing ad about how bad it is for a company to switch to OpenOffice.org. I guess you didn't notice that every source cited in that add were organizations that said:we are addicted to MSO and as such, have to have it to fulfil our drug dependency on MSO. why is there so many different version [forks] of the software * Ulteo correlates to Office Web Apps; * Kids4OOo correlates to the MSO Student Edition; * OOoLight correlates to MSO Home Edition; * OOo correlates to MSO Standard Edition; * Go-OO correlates to MSO Professional Edition. * LibreOffice correlates to MSO Professional Edition; * OxygenOffice correlates to MSO Academic Edition; * EuroOffice correlates to MSO Professional Plus Edition; IOW, if Microsoft starts making any noises about OOo forks, people can, and will lambast them for making so many different editions of MSO. all telling the community we are the better one to use instead of the original one. The only fork that one might argue makes that claim is the one controlled by Oracle, and not part of the Education project. The other forks either ignore the issue or else say: This is what we added or This is what we removed, or This is what we tune it for. Why Go-oo instead of OOo/Debian, and now LibreOffice. Go-OO typically includes functions and capabilities several point versions before they are incorporated into OOo. As I said Microsoft must be laughing Microsoft is laughing so hard that in 2009 they felt compelled to hire people whose job description is to castigate, and attempt to dissuade people from using OOo, flat out lying whenever necessary. You don't pay people whose sole job function is to attack the competition, unless that competition is cutting off your oxygen supply, and other tactics, both legal and illegal, have failed to stem the haemorrhaging. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Re: Open Offfice as replacement for Microsoft Office
On 10/26/2010 11:22 PM, Andreas Säger wrote: You may install OpenOffice.org or any derivate (e.g. LibreOffice, BrOffice, go-oo.org) Being picky, but other derivatives are: # Lightweight: * OOo4Kids; * OOoLight; # Heavyweight: * OxygenOffice; jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Linked code, syntax highlighting, frames, and captions
On 10/15/2010 04:50 AM, Michael Adams wrote: In OpenOffice.org to achieve suitable coloured syntax output would require you to write the appropriate macro, adding all relevant RegEx'es as you go. I doubt this would already exist in an extension. Try http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/coooder jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Strange message from the server
On 10/13/2010 06:23 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: So whitelist the OOo sender so they won;t be blocked... :) Do you want to explain how to whitelist an address on a mail-server that you don't control, without running afoul of various civil and criminal laws. # For the record, I did receive a couple of similar emails. I spent ten minutes looking at them, before deciding that that was way too much time to spend on them. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] LibreOffice - adoption
On 10/03/2010 02:16 AM, Barry Kahn wrote: You ever send me an email again. I'll report you to the FTC. Just what would your report to the FTC be for? Inasmuch as you appear to be subscribed to this list, it obviously is not for receiving messages sent to the list. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] OpenOffice for Android
On 09/20/2010 12:13 PM, James Knott wrote: the screen size is quite small, in comparison with desktop computers and Do not ignore keitai shousetsu. Cell phone novels primarily read and authored by young Japanese women, on the subject of romantic fiction such as relationships, lovers, rape, love triangles, and pregnancy. They have migrated elsewhere, both geographically, and in subject matter. Android apps tend to have a very simple user interface, because of the limitations of the device. a) Androffice and QuickOffice Connect are two office suites currently available for Android; b) A version of MSO is available for the WinMo 6.x operating system. Granted, the file format it produces is incompatible with that produced by every other version of MSO, but that is to be expected, since Microsoft's expertise is in writing software that is incompatible with itself, as well as with everything else out there; c) Softoffice is available for WindowsCE, amongst other mobile device platforms; d) Mobi Systems OfficeSuite4 is an office suite available for the Symbian platform; I'd hate to have do much while working with documents on it. That probably has more to do with why the document is being worked with, and the type of document that is being worked with. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] OpenOffice for Android
On 09/17/2010 11:15 AM, Avery, Stephen (Stephen) wrote: so it could be time to reconsider the platforms you support. OpenOffice.org is Free Libre Open Source So For a version of OOo that runs on Android, what is needed is a development team that will do the port, and recode around the various obstacles in that pat jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Cyrillic script
On 09/15/2010 11:59 PM, Alan Cliffe wrote: I know Cyrillic is an alphabet. I was actually looking for something like TL Help Cyrillic, http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/oootranslit is for Serbian. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Cassette Sleeve Template?
On 09/16/2010 04:21 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote: I found a small shop that would sell me a pack of 10 but that's too many. That is probably going to be the smallest quantity you can purchase them in. If either http://downloads.tapeonline.com/label-templates/52-50230-audio-cassette-label.zip or http://downloads.tapeonline.com/label-templates/53-50200-audio-cassette-label.zip were in ODF rather than PDF format, would either one be what you are looking for? jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Minimum Requirements (Smallest System Possible?)
Hal Vaughan wrote: When OpenOffice states that 512 MB is a minimum requirement for operation and that 1 GB is preferable, just what does that mean? It means that the marketing people think that they can get away with saying that, without a significant number of people calling them on it. Am I looking at something utterly impossible here, You can try it, and see what happens. On Linux, you might be able to do what you want in 512. On Windows, I wouldn't try it without at least 2 GB. ### I've forgotten which version of OOo, and which OS I used, but I have managed to get it to run on 96 MB. However, that is not an experience I'd suggest for others to try. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Showing formatting codes
John Kaufmann wrote:
and not very user friendly.
Being user-friendly is a myth.
Something that I can get anybody to demonstrate, using the program that
they think is the most user friendly they have ever come across, within
sixty seconds.
There's a reason why a product as good as OOo - being *given away*,
available on every practical platform -
still does not have a commanding market presence.
a) OOo is fighting vendor lockin. Software vendors simply aren't
providing support in their software for OOo they way they are for MSO.
b) OOo is fighting a file format war: It is not enough that ODF is an
ISO standard. What is needed is for developers and users to support it.
{Has ORA decided to provide a real template in ODF format, or are they
still expecting that a badly converted MSO Template will suffice?
[Remember the problematic artifacts that were mentioned in the OP. That
ORA template for MSO will create them, if you use it to create a
manuscript for ORA.]}
c) New computer shipments: For the past two or so years, trial version
of MSO have been included on systems that ship with MS Windows. This
tactic cons people into thinking that MSO is the only office suite that
works with windows;
d) Take a look at
http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/01/25/verbreitung-von-office-programmen-openoffice-ueber-21.html
http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html
Their methodology is flawed to kingdom come and back. still, the
reports are interesting.
it is because Writer's styles functionality is less than clearly thought out.
The way OOo implemented styles is a bit different from how both Wp and
MSO implemented styles.
FWIW, that was once the position of WP: supporting every platform (more than OO supports today),
Which version of WP was available for six different operating systems?
Seven operating systems, if you want to include the commercially
distributed eComm version of OOo.
jonathon
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Re: [users] Showing formatting codes
Séamas Ó Brógáin wrote: I’m a very proficient user (modesty prevents me saying an expert user) of Openoffice. If you really were proficient in OOo, you'd know that the same functionality that reveal codes offers, is _currently_ available in OOo 3.x for both write and calc. And you'd know how to use it. And you'd also know that that functionality does not require an extension. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Showing formatting codes
Séamas Ó Brógáin wrote: If it can be provided, how do you know it won’t do me any good? If you can create a XML document using a text editor such as EdLine, that validates against the standard that you are writing, then you should be using the XML mode of VI. But, more to the point, it is patently obvious that you are completely oblivious to what the formatting tool bar in OOo does display. This is one of the most frequently requested absent features of Openoffice Only by those who haven't bothered to learn how to use OOo. would be hugely useful to those who work professionally with text, such as writers and editors. _ALL_ of the functionality that reveal codes offered WP users is currently available in OOo. The issue is whether or not the individual is willing to invest the time into learning how to use OOo, or if they want to treat OOo as a fancy typewriter, and do all of the presentation markup manually. Making visible the points at which styles and formatting attributes begin and end would be a very significant control If those formatting attributes were done manually, then you have somebody who doesn't know how to use styles. for those editing a text or preparing it for publication. That is why you use styles. have “phantom” styles and attributes, such as an opening tag followed by a closing tag with no significant text in between, duplicated tags, and tags for styles that are no longer required. What you are describing there, are either artifacts from not using styles, but trying to emulate them by doing the markup by hand, or the end product of tools that didn't know how to correctly implement styles in the first place. These can make texts unnecessarily complex and cause headaches for editor and typesetter. Which is why the first thing to do is save the document as plain text, and then redo all of the formatting using the specific set of styles that are needed. (This is something that every experienced editor knows to do, when they receive content that has been converted from two or more different programs.) I have one complex text that only one person ever worked on What you describe is a compiler that either never bothered how to learn to use their tools, or else never bother to use their tools correctly. a simulation of this feature is possible by means of a macro, as proved by the fact that it has been done. And if you really paid attention to what Ian's macro displayed, and also really paid attention to what the formatting tool bar displayed, you'd know that the sole difference between the two was that Ian used words, and the tool bar uses icons. And you'd also know where and how to fix any markup problems you found. understand correctly) allowed them to be deleted. Ian's macro did not enable one to edit, delete, or add anything to the presentation markup. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Showing formatting codes
Séamas Ó Brógáin wrote: A feature that could show where styles and formatting begin and end (similar to that in Wordperfect) The old request for Reveal Codes in OOo. Whilst it can be provided, it won't do you the slightest bit of good. This is simply due to the different philosophy in how a word processor should be written. If you describe the function that Reveal Codes provides, that you want to replicate in OOo, I probably will be able to describe how to achieve it. You do have to describe this functionality asif the person you are describing it to has never used WordPerfect, or any other office suite or any other text editor before. (The last time I used WordPerfect was when the first version for Linux was released. Prior to that, I used it when it was known as WordPerfect2000 --- not WordPerfect Office 2000, which was released about a decade later.) I was delighted to learn of the macros RevealCodes2 and RevealCodes3 And as you have discovered, they only work for OOo 1.1.x. Nobody has updated them for either OOo 2.x or 3.x. And the odds are that nobody will update them, unless they are paid to do so. BTW, Ianz also wrote a reveal codes macro for Calc. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [moderated] WKS OOo
Norman Henke wrote: All I want to do is open some WKS spreadsheets If that WKS spreadsheet is from: * Microsoft Works, then download OxygenOffice from http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooop/; * Deskmate, then hire somebody to write a program to convert them to ODF; * Apple ][, then hire somebody to write a program to convert them to ODF; * Lotus 123, then your current version of OOo _should_ open it. (I've forgotten which versions of Lotus 123 OOo can open. However, the WKS file specifications were stable for most of its life on Dos and OS/2.) * Something else, then we'll need more data, but it probably will require writing a program to convert it to ODF format. I get a display in arabic with no menu option to change the display. Assuming you are using OOo, then: Tools Options Language Language Settings User Interface, and select English, or whatever language you want the UI to be in, from the drop down menu. I don't have an Arabic UI on this installation, so I can't do a screen shot showing what/where those commands are. All this and 30 minutes to download everything after paying $29.95. I don't know who you paid your $29.95 to, but I'd suggest contacting them for support. users@openoffice.org is a mailing list, whose respondents volunteer their time and energy to helping people use OpenOffice.org. OOo itself is distributed gratis from http://download.openoffice.org/. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] A question
Bahram Ghadimi wrote: 1- We have translated a book into Farsi and wanted to use the same lay out as its original. The Original one is done by by QuarkXpress witch we do not own. So we imported a PDF version into Open Office and eliminated the text. so we have all picture and lay out as it was in the original. The problem is that the file is now as Open Office- Draw and when we put one Text Box, the complete text goes out of the box and the page and it is nor possible to send the rest of the text in to the next text box on the next page. (It is possible to link frames in an Open Office Text Document, but it is not possible to have a text FRAME in a DRAW DOCUMENT. *Do you now anyway to manage it? * Export all of the images in the PDF to PNG; * Export all of the text in the PDF to plain text; * Import the text into a _new_ OOo document; * Fix up all of the textual errors that are in the document; * Use stylist, and convert all of the text to the appropriate style; * Starting at the beginning for the document, add the images at the appropriate location; * Go through the document, and fix all of the frames for images, so that they are where they were in the PDF; * Go through the document, and fix all the errors you missed the last time through; * Get somebody else to compare the ODF with the PDF, to ensure that the two documents are identical in appearance; Yes, you will be recreating the book more or less from scratch. But that is the only way to do it, if you want the ODF to be identical to the PDF. 2- When we write a document and insert the page number, *It inserts Latin numbers and not Farsi/ Arabic fonts. How is possible to change it into farsi? Tools Options Language Settings Complex Text Layout. For General Options, select Context. Alternatively, for each page style that is used: Stylist Page Style (Select page style) Page Layout Setting. This is a drop down box. Farsi numerals _should_ be listed there. Alternatively: * Click on where the page number should appear in the header, or footer; * Delete whatever is there; * Mouse click on Insert Field Other Page * Make sure that Page numbers is highlighted in the second column; * In the third column, select native numbering. That should do it. If it doesn't, then scroll down a little bit further to where Farsi numbers are displayed, and select that instead. Note: You'll have to repeat this for each page style your document uses. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Watermarks in Writer
Twayne wrote: OO.o should really have a watermark application feature so it's easer to do. Issue # 36421 Personally I don't do issue submits anymore. The reason why Issue #36421 was closed is one of the best reasons why submitting issues is a waste of time. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Styles: 'List; List 1; List 1 Start; Numbering 1; Numbering 1 Start; Numbering 1 End;' What are they?
RA Brown wrote: That is strange as I have Go-oo version 3.1 running under Ubuntu here and do not see them listed. Using Stylist, Select paragraph, then select all styles. Then scroll down about two thirds of the way to the bottom. You'll find List 1, List 2, List 3, List 4, List 5, and their associated start, end, and cont variants. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Where is FontOOo Wizard?
Dave Babcock wrote: Where is FontOOo Wizard? That was removed back in OOo 2.0.x. It was, at best, a kludge. Admittedly a very useful kludge. You'll have to install fonts into the proper place for your OS, using the proper method of doing so. In Linux: sudo cp ~/fonts/* /usr/share/fonts/ fc-cache -f -v This assumes that the fonts to be installed have been unarchived into ~/fonts. If you use a font manager the process for installing fonts is different. In Windows, if you don't use a font manager, then * 500 fonts is the maximum usable fonts for WinXP * 1 000 fonts is the maximum usable fonts for Win7 If you use a font manager than you can increase the number of fonts by up to a couple of magnitudes. How to install the fonts depends upon whether or not you use a font manager. I don't use Macs, so I don't know what the process there is. Unless you use obscure writing systems, the fonts that come with your OS should suffice. If you do use obscure writing systems, the omniglot.com is probably the best place to go, to find pointers to fo low cost/gratis fonts. OOo won't start if more than 100 000 fonts are installed, and a font manager is not being used. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Styles: 'List; List 1; List 1 Start; Numbering 1; Numbering 1 Start; Numbering 1 End;' What are they?
JOE Conner wrote: he is asking for a comprehensive description of each style, I too would like to see such a comprehensive document with each style detailed. For the number of people that claim to want that documentation, the amount of feedback from that documentation was astounding, by its utter absence. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Scrivener-like Project with Writer
On 08/02/2010 05:54 PM, Alan Taylor wrote: It would be helpful to have a side pane that can be used for outlining purposes Navigator can do that. A corkboard, or storyboard, would also be very helpful in organizing large projects Create a single document to use explicitly as a storyboard. Is anyone working on such a project with Open Office? To answer that question, a far more specific set of functions and their definitions is needed. (FWIW, nothing that is described in that article can not be done using OOo and existing extensions.)) Or would anyone be interested in trying? Write a comprehensive spec sheet for each function you are wanting, then answer the following: * How much of the requested coding are you able to do? * How much of the requested coding are you willing to do? * How much are you willing to pay somebody else to do the requested coding? I cannot recommend this article more highly for explaining http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2009/03/04/perfect-tool The rest of the quotes in this response are from that article. Programs can't be customised to the individual whims of every writer. With FLOSS, such customization can be done. The only question is whether or not the user is willing to pay for the customization that they are unable to do. extensive use of tags that tell the program what a given piece of text is. Styles accomplish the same thing. not continually move between the word processor, the outliner, the mind mapper, and the note taker. Four functions that are both similar and dissimilar. Nonetheless OOo can do all four. The issue the user runs into, is that cut and paste is required. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] contact management
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 04:39, John Kaufmann wrote: - I understand the sponsor is now Oracle, but is there an Oracle version? The Sun version has been rebranded as Oracle. I'm differentiating between the Sun version, the Novell version, OxygenOffice, and half a dozen other variants. - How do you mean from within OOo? You can configure it so that it opens with the Base component. jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] (reply) ANN: English Grammar Checker Extension for OpenOffice.org
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 00:51, Andrew Fisk wrote: You really expect a grammar checker that works in 92 languages? Back around 2000, I came across a critter that claimed to check grammar in 150+ languages. It reality, it checked grammar in about twenty languages. The 130 others that it checked were localized dialects of those languages. In theory, Language Tool, or any other grammar checker can be configured to check grammar in the languages that localized versions of OOo are available in. The major stumbling block for Language Tool, or any other grammar checker, is writing the rules for each language. For some languages that OOo ships in, just writing that rule set could be the subject of an MA Thesis. Given how After the Deadline functions, the only thing that is unreasonable about it currently working in 92 languages, is that it is still in beta, and as such, I wouldn't be surprised if, two or three years from now, it could check grammar in more than one thousand languages. jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Oxygen Office
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 07:08, I was wondering about the functionality of the software. What is the difference between OpenOffice.org with the post install add-ons and the Oxygen Office Professional OxygenOffice includes features that are found in the No-Go build and also includes features found in the Oracle build. The original thread seemed to state that Oxygen Office was better than OpenOffice.org. Most, but not all of that is marketing hype. Whether the differences are significant, depends upon what you use OOo for. The run of the mill user probably won't notice the differences, after installing the gallery and other extensions at the OxygenOffice development site, to their OOo build. [ Now trying to remember if OxygenOffice is the one that has support for Korean (PROK) ] jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] contact management
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 14:52, Evgeny Voronov wrote: How can I replace the contact management of my Microsoft Outlook by a function of Open Office? How to answer that question depends upon what/how you use your existing contact manager. If all you want is something to keep basic contact information in, then you can create a database using BASE. (The PIM template that was available for OOo 1.1.x is no longer available. The Wizard function in OOoBASE makes soemthing that is almost acceptable.) If you use it for is email, then, assuming you are using Oracle's version of OOo, you can utilize Thunderbird's contact management database from within OOo. ( In theory, any email client's contact management database can be utilized from within OOo. For various reasons, that is not always the case.) If you use it for other things, then you probably need to write a PERL or Python script to keep the OOo/Thunderbird version synchronized with the version used by the other tools. How easy this is, depends upon what those tools and their devices are. For some devices --- especially those designed by people who think that users should not be able to use the device for the purpose for which it was designed --- it will be virtually impossible to write a script that works correctly. jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Seeking help with Writer!
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 14:16, Mark C. Miller wrote: But do you have the resources to use Bayesian statistics to evaluate writing? Now that is an idea that would be useful for people other school teachers. An extension that utilizes Bayesian statistics to evaluate writing. Something else to add to the list of extensions I'd write if I had the time. jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Text color
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 16:03, David Hoehns wrote: Yesterday, all text became black (probably automatic) and may not be changed to another color. The highlight color and background color works fine. What did I do wrong? And how do fix it? Did you turn on any accessibility functions? Those have a tendency to reduce everything to black and white. (Note: This applies for both system-wide settings, and OOo specific settings.) Only if you deleted /home/ user_login /.openoffice.org (linux) or C:/Settings and Documents/ user_login / application_data/Openoffice.org (Windows --- I think I have the right path for it.) would reinstalling OOo change the setting. jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Engineering Notation update
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 17:08, JOE Conner wrote: I see 134 votes for this at the moment. How many votes is required for implementation work? Going by Issuezilla, issue # 86034 has the most votes, at 1 909. It also was closed as an invalid issue. Issue # 43209, with 236 votes, has a status of verified, and a sub-status of fixed. It ranks fifth in the list of votes for issues. Issue # 24969, with 205 votes, is the most voted issue that has been closed as fixed. In terms of votes, it ranks tenth highest. 40 issues have more than one hundred votes. 11 of them are marked closed, 13 of them are marked fixed. One is marked invalid, and one is marked duplicate. Issue # 972 dating to May of 2001, with 199 votes, is the oldest unclosed issue with more than 100 votes. As a purely practical matter, votes have never been anything more than Internet theatre. They have nothing to do with whether or not an issue will be fixed. jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Seeking help with Writer!
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 04:48, Jeremy Yanofsky wrote: Tweaking spellcheck: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6t=31868p=14#p14 The requested functionality was present in one of the early versions of HunSpell. I've forgotten which one, but it was back when it was written in Python. Creating a Writing Assessment utility: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30t=31880 Readability Report will provide some of the data you request. With some tweaking/customization, I think that one of the grammar checkers will provide most of the rest of the data. (I've forgotten which one, but it lets users add/create their own rule sets.) jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Seeking help with Writer!
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 19:53, Jeremy @ BBA wrote: totally different spellchecker OR if Writer does use HunSpell, somewhere along the line in updating it, the tweak I am searching for got lost in the shuffle somehow. That capability was removed from Hunspell. You can add it back, but it is no longer the one or two line change that it was back when it was written in Python. (Hunspell is currently written in C++.) If you want to go this route, then you'll need to compile OOo from source, with the requisite changes in the Hunspell code that OOo includes. As for Readability Report, you're absolutely right -- it would be ideal I just realized that that extension is distributed under a proprietary/closed source license. For some reason, I thought it was a FLOSS extension. That might leave you with having to add the modifications to one of the grammar checkers for OOo. jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Writer: how to force Arabic Numerical numbering?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/25/2010 08:53 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: Because I thought that might appear differently on machines that are differently configured. I'm happy to be wrong, though. I will have to The point of using styles is that the presentation markup is displayed the same, regardless of the platform that is used. However, I see that you are requried to use MS Word. As such, the only solution that has a chance of working, is to do _everything_ manually. Even then, expect that the incompatibiltiy of MSO2k7 with MSO2k7 will destroy the document's integrity. You have my sympathies for working with an organizations whose management aspires to be able to qualify for admission into kindergarten in the next two or three decades. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMJhf2AAoJEAS/cyz7/v3cD9AH/jcxVtRJZ52yMvCouR2bNJMT 4hlkptiLKw4oE51bt88xgcft+YIWGoel/3FNiq9Pf3ENM4zg9ibWRX5tRUCuV1pq nXBRdE4y6g6JmoGeCbR9zSq13UxGM9N6sxT8UWnL55XxWo05HpiCJj1C1ZBBVjzv PTf9fK9K8bMRlShL91VJsHtJN5tBy0pniMOb60/0k2eGNTzHFC158KkCOc7ryy0q cu5BckE77eOcmgVGxtK/zKVF0KgzV476JEzy0oesbd7f5HqVcG7ZZdUAPWvmxYN1 myhhF6ppi/8L8VlxdxugbgX4pcwNeANbRdva9VQbqr2YwL7lLyRYY0+uLzmeEDg= =pJcO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Writer: how to force Arabic Numerical numbering?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/25/2010 03:25 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: This list _must_ be Arabic Numerical 1,2,3 Why can't you use a paragraph style that includes a numbering style that uses Arabic Numbers? jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMJQroAAoJEAS/cyz7/v3c/J4H/Ag7oP1+SlPtfibyMoN54mgA JFKa3MG3Enf3rWAq+LqliVmJH19i1moIkgSRZ2Ww/OfyNnmAoBXCVfsRkdPfMtb6 XP+RcDBuNTBoGf5jiJeUoKoVAFQcPiictCf9slGdDgCMnUdJUoE0rgoop8RIn3v+ eLM6yZClDpKpdyTtF9fstRp1e6AQ8goXuigrlSMZdSXEIJEexnqECO2n3iGNgSd/ kBL/yG9YPRgS8wbzqAioF8ZZZ24i8MmpZDCQRyonPnCD4/3lXM8ElxqAqBddFx5y p5SETEF8Bq0aPx1KUrIb3Iki0oU+OQqlRgVtHKkFCB34KJg9+B2s5rPmC8eWakc= =kKqx -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Multiple sheets in Writer
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 03:47, John Kaufmann wrote: That alone is already a very interesting way to think about this, beyond what Dotan originally proposed (or at least draws out more explicitly an advantage implicit in the original proposal). But then you make the case even more powerful: Did you know that there was a macro for OOo 1.1.x that provided that functionality? It worked about as well as the equivalent in MSO97. (I don't remember when Microsoft removed that functionality from MSO.) jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Multiple sheets in Writer
On 06/07/2010 08:13 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: No contradiction. The contradiction is that you rejected that which you defined and described, as being what you do not want and did not describe. Which is why you need to rethink your specifications and criteria. Start from scratch, laying out specifications, without reference to _any_ existing functions, components, and capabilities of any software. jonathon attachment: jonathon_blake.vcf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Multiple sheets in Writer
On 06/06/2010 01:22 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: Thank you, but Master Documents is the exact opposite of what I need. I need a single file that contains multiple documents, not multiple files to be concatenated into a single document! Is that contradiction intentional? if not, then your specifications and criteria need a major rewrite. jonathon -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. attachment: jonathon_blake.vcf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Mailing list stats - users
On 05/27/2010 11:08 PM, Paul wrote: Recently found a page that provided data which could be used to produce the following on the users mailing list. What time frame and time period do these statistics cover? jonathon -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. attachment: jonathon_blake.vcf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Clippy
On 05/28/2010 02:09 PM, Gene Young wrote: You start as I did by reading the help file. You do realize that the help file is absent as often as it is present, don't you? jonathon -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. attachment: jonathon_blake.vcf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [users] Spell check does not work
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/14/2010 01:49 AM, George Sherman wrote: I updated Open Office and the spell check does not work. Tools Options Language Settings Writing Aids Verify that Hunspell SpellChecker is checked. You might also want to verify that Libhyphon Hyphenator and OpenOffice.org New Thesaurus are also checked. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkv1fvAACgkQVyQBHg3MfvSAgwCfWJblZxKwSlRWGrn/tyN1ETAI jA4AoMXcZ4z+lVFYc0f2UDEuErubk9DQ =bCaS -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] What if I uninstall OOo - should that fix it.? Previoulsy: Unwanted italics - have to revert to M$ Office for the time being.?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/12/2010 02:56 AM, James Elliott wrote: Thanks for all your replies and suggestions. Unfortunately, nothing works and I cannot live with Italics where I don't want therm. If I You mentioned that you had installed at least 1 100 fonts. I don't know what the font limit for WinXP is, but on Win7, strange things happens once one gets beyond 1 000 fonts. As such, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were running up against part of the defective by design philosophy that microsoft embraces, to maximise the user-hostility, and dysfunctionality of their products IOW, uninstall your fonts, until you have less than 100. (One hundred was the maximum usable number of fonts on W4WG, so that number of fonts should be usable, albeit still dysfunctional.) jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvtPYMACgkQVyQBHg3MfvRtfQCgjXWEIUka+FxEr0xv/FXdjWMp eU0An05l+f2HRGqKvGeM9yoAyBfpRfww =nRlv -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] download on Nokia N900
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/06/2010 01:29 PM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote: but not really practical at this point given the small screen real estate on the N900. There is sub-genre of Japanese literature that is written exclusively on smart phones. a) Microsoft did port/rewrite MSO to the Windows Mobile platform; b) _Mobile Office_ by Sept Solutions is an ODF compatible office suite for the Symbian platform; c) _ThinkFree_ has provided both a WinMo and Android client for their web based office suite; d) _Quickoffice_ provides an office suite for Symbian, iPhone, Symbian, and Blackberry platforms; There are a couple of other programs whose marketers claim are complete office suites for mobile platforms. In comparison to the issues I've experienced with the office suites I've used/attempted to use on my PDA, screen size is probably the least significant. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvkXH8ACgkQVyQBHg3MfvQLQgCfZTFsRbYoef+FSF9mQhKier8W KMwAoIHvDq0cI8U8dgvq0en1EC02WbMt =ZJ8N -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Ooo tutorials for blind users?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/05/2010 11:41 AM, Lars Nooden wrote: Actually it would be JAWS that would need to be re-written. More practically, it could be replaced. Replacing JAWS is fine, if, and only if the replacement uses the same scripts as JAWS does, and the keyboarding sequences are identical to those used by JAWS. and Until JAWS is available for Linux, forget Linux. There was a lot of analysis of that problem when the Commonwealth of The issue is _not_ screen readers per se, but that JAWS is not available for Linux. Replacements don't count, because they are not JAWS, unless they are 100% script compatible and 100% keyboard sequence compatible with JAWS. For those that don't use screen readers, think of it as being told that instead of using a QWERTY keyboard, you have to use a Dvorak Keyboard, that doesn't have the glyphs of any keys depicted on the keys. Compounding the problems you have in learning the new keyboard, not only is there is nobody that you can afford to hire, to train you to use the new keyboard, but there is no affordable material to help train you to use the new keyboard. (I see Freedom Scientific has dropped the price of their base product, slightly.) One of the conclusions by some was that it would be far easier to maintain screen readers for well-documented systems and applications designed for interoperability. Whilst that is the case, the issue is _not_ screen readers, but JAWS. Users of JAWS are like that old Camel slogan --- I'd walk a mile for a Camel. Except they are more likely to walk a thousand miles to keep on using JAWS. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkviSpsACgkQVyQBHg3MfvQKEQCePgT3ao/gef7/6XlH4vi53rYZ e1QAnRmxuXpHVd1kX3M3+yL4wIqZlmG6 =j3Z1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: [School District - Licensing] was Re: [moderated]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 McLauchlan, Kevin wrote: UK and US spelling. Can't tell 'em apart without a program(me). In British English, computer software is program, not programme. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvVoPkACgkQVyQBHg3MfvT/AgCeJigRAlIsRNgW4mpbQaSZtH6R YZwAnAmJby10iwviy6zZW501I1VJ57Ys =Z416 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Installing fonts - how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rhona Hoggan wrote: but obviously, there's a limit to how many fonts I could install. Whilst fonts can be installed specifically for OOo, I recommend installing them with the rest of the system fonts. The number of fonts that you _can_ install, depends upon the OS that is used. Win7 will choke up at 1,000 fonts. The highest number of fonts I've seen on a Linux box is 250K. I've read about Linux boxes with 1000K installed fonts, and no reported issues. I've taken BSD boxes up to 100K fonts, without any apparent issues. I've taken OpenSolaris boxes up to 10K fonts, with no issues. I have no idea if adding more fonts to either BSD, or OpenSolaris will cause any issues. I've no experience with Macs, so I don't know what the limit there is. As a practical matter, once 10K fonts are installed, the biggest issue is in finding the specific font you want to use. Could I swap ones I rarely if ever use for the ones I want? A good font manager should make that task trivial. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvOLhEACgkQVyQBHg3MfvQaeACg1ZvBj9M1REI5CxFYWAs5/Kmn xZ4AoNP1ZkuYRts8Gg1g4Q4rCCoP930P =vvVQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: [CALC] How to add a variabe formule?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Adams wrote: from a spam free E-Mail Account. Thanks. It is common practise on this list to CC any e-mail addresses not subscribed. For all practical purposes, Michelle is subscribed to this list. One of the virtues/vices of this list, is that how people are subscribed is not always obvious. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvFqgQACgkQVyQBHg3MfvQhNgCfWZEhGpLgWSxiIugAhA8cZfHw jI8An1c4Kvv9Kteem6vnI8+sfqTL9ib0 =UVe8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Spell check not working
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Josti wrote: Just recently my spell check has stopped working, I checked the Language and it's set to English, a) What language did you tell OOo that your document was written in? b) Did you install a spell checker for that language? jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvGNG8ACgkQVyQBHg3MfvQGggCgoxPzSos+0WRr38PX9NOM1EkC e7IAn15MU3BJ10u26vkPXFb25WBk5X78 =FqrS -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [moderated] Scribus and OpenOffiece.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: Do you use Draw to create multi-page documents? For writing systems that have reverse boustrophedon directionality, that is the only tool in OOo that can produces readable output. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAku+BQcACgkQVyQBHg3MfvRoaQCdEo1UVJ1hwTTVS2xusfxbLppp sxwAnjcMrK9SMjgyufEiB0O25R+Jupuh =ecpx -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Slightly OT: OpenOffice.org Menu FIrefox add-on
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harold Fuchs wrote: because: Invalid file hash (possible download corruption) -261 end error message === What am I doing wrong, please? Allow third party cookies. jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAku4lCcACgkQVyQBHg3MfvSyEACfb19OciV4kt4uGohMVQCqwgHb xWQAoJijhVRS4K0mXqYfgBLnNHEXqD6Q =USON -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] The Relay for Life
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tanstaafl wrote: for cancer, as evidenced by their totally ignoring the fact that the cause (and cure) for cancer was discovered decades ago. And where is the peer reviewed published research that supports your claim? and therefore there is no money to be made. You haven't priced vitamin B17 recently, have you? (Which by the way is patented in the US.) jonathon - -- Non-list email sent to this email address is forwarded to Dave Null, unread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuzdbgACgkQVyQBHg3MfvQu4QCfRkCxlxS/852lUArnWk9F5eqj PLQAn0WaiooQ4YDLyrLmEFbs/sVa2rIl =9aPL -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Help needed
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:38, Richard Travers wrote: What exactly is wrong with using an extension to identify a file type? It is a simple, straightforward system that works. Because that system _fails_ more often than it succeeds. it makes it immediately obvious from the file name what application is needed to open that file, Take the extension .bbl. This is used for: * TeX/BibTex files; * e-Sword Bible resources; * Pocket e-Sword Bible resources; * At least five other mutually incompatible programs; Take the extension .wks. This is used by: * MSWorks; * XLisp WorkSpace; * Tandy Deskmate; * Lotus 123; Or maybe you prefer to explain how to differentiate between the ten (or more) mutually incompatible file formats that use .doc as the file extension. jonathon -- Personal email to this account is automatically forwarded to Dave Null, and goes unread by any human. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Help needed
James Knott wrote: Those were PC-DOS, CP/M-86 and pCode. I have no idea what happened to pCode, but for whatever reason, CP/M wound up being more expensive than PC-DOS. pCode was more expensive than CP/-86. It also was tied up in litigation that threatened to require, via court order, that both it, and support for it, be unavailable. In 1983, Mark Williams Coherent was released. (I think that it sold for US$100 from its original release date.) Shortly thereafter both Santa Cruz Operations and ATT wrote/ported Unix to the PC. By the time Win95 was released, over 200 operating systems were available for the 808x8 line of intel chips. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Fwd: writing in Japanese on Open Office 3.0
Robin ... wrote: I downloaded the 3.1 Language Pack for Japanese I'd suggest first installing _Japanese Integrated Learning Tool_ http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/jilt This extension will help you in reading Japanese. Then install _Default Settings for Japanese_ http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/DSFJ This extension will change a number of default settings, so that OOo produces better looking documents in Japanese. (Some of the settings also improve the looks of documents in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese.) http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/dictionary?cid=926385 is where dictionaries hang out. I don't know what happened to the CJKV dictionaries that used to be available for OOo. :( but am unsure how to write in Japanese. If you haven't installed a _Method Input Editor_, you need to do that before installing the extensions I mentioned above. Which IME to use, and how to install it, depends upon the operating system that you use. and can't find an explanation on HOW TO = please help ... There was (and probably still is) a pretty good one, in Japanese, linked from somewhere within ja.openoffice.org. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Help needed
Dotan Cohen wrote: Windows, how does that fact negate the equally-valid fact that Windows has a larger install base of users? That larger base is a direct result of the ongoing criminal activity that microsoft has engaged in for the last twenty odd years. This ongoing criminal enterprise is enhanced by the fact that every court that has convicted microsoft of their criminal activity has punished it by blowing kisses at it. As such, any inconvenience to users of microsoft products is nothing more than an indirect punishment of those users for their active and explicit support of an ongoing criminal enterprise, as well as their active endorsement of said criminal activity. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Title Text Spectrum Morphing
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 22:54, James Greenidge wrote: Would a script that created a palette that would contain the first colour, last colour, and intermediate colours be useful. My God that'd be incredible help if you can swing that! All that is needed is adding a couple of functions to the script that I used to create the palette available at http://rapidshare.com/files/359406571/color_palette_30.tar.gz.html If I haven't posted a URL for the script by 1 April, post a reminder to this list. I have to rewrite 500K pages of documentation by 25 March, otherwise I'd be able to get to it sooner. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] help!
James Wilde wrote: As far as I'm aware, there is no way to make the template change to upper case for, for example, scene headers or cue lines and then change back to mixed case for the next line. That can easily be done using paragraph styles. If you need specific text in the styles, then create a macro that throws up the required text, for the specific paragraph style. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Title Text Spectrum Morphing
netsecurity wrote: I have to rewrite 500K pages of documentation by 25 March, otherwise I'd be able to get to it sooner. I've had some truly crazy schedules for documentation but never 500,000 pages in 13 days! Well, I had four months, but on at least two occasions, and possibly more, Windows 7 decided that it needs to reformat the drive that the documents are stored on. Adding insult to injury, Win7 refuses to read the DVDs that the data was backed up to. I'd use Linux, but .NET 3.5 doesn't like *Nix in general, and WINE in specific. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Title Text Spectrum Morphing
James Greenidge wrote:y my problem! The crux of my problem is figuring out what intermediate pallet colors transitioning from navy blue to salmon to use for each letter in the title heading. It sounds like a color matching puzzle a child would enjoy, but I lost talent long long ago! Would a script that created a palette that would contain the first colour, last colour, and intermediate colours be useful. You'd have to manually move it into your OOo config file. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Colour Palettes:
All: For those who like colour palettes that are too large to be useful, I've uploaded the most recent one I've created to http://rapidshare.com/files/359406571/color_palette_30.tar.gz.html MD5: 97AA9184236955F24A2726AA655FF543 This is a 90 MB download.The uncompressed size is 890 MB. It will work in OOo, but extreme patience is required, especially when selecting colours. (Take a walk to Starbucks, drink a cup or two of coffee, then come back. By that time, OOo should have woken up, and be usable.) After all, there are 16 581 375 colours in this palette. ### If rapidshare isn't to your liking, I'll upload it elsewhere, provided doing so is gratis. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Colour Palettes:
James Greenidge wrote: especially those in our local home school using OOo4Kids. OxygenOffice Pro includes a bigger colour palette than OpenOffice.org includes. I don't know how much bigger, because I use my own palette, which has about 10K colours. http://www.esnips.com/web/OOoRelatedThings has some palettes I created several years ago. Their size is probably more appropriate for general purpose usage. Note: The colours in those palettes are _not_ sorted by hue, or shade. It'd be cool if there was a jumbo Crayola Crayon box palette (128 named classic pop colors) one can install too! Most colour names are trademarked. :( That said, I'm pretty sure that one of those colour palettes has the functional equivalent of the Jumbo Crayloa Crayon Box. I'm not sure how many different colours the palette I normally use has. (I lost track at around 5,000.) jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Very strange sorting error/brian
Andreas wrote: For US ZIP codes in a database you could define a fixed text field with 5 characters and access the field through a pattern field on a form to accept digits only. Make that #- or #--. If you are using bar codes on your snail mail, you need that thirteen digit US ZIP Code. In theory, all you need is the name of the recipient, and the 13 digit bar code. jonathon Better: A list box bound to a list of all known US ZIPs with city names. Then you would get the city name automatically. In a spreadsheet this could be achieved by means of data validation with VLOOKUP, but like all spreadsheet solutions, this is difficult to maintain and breaks with copy/paste actions. Andreas S. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Re: discontinue
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 21:39, Tanstaafl wrote: What exactly makes you think that having the stupid disclaimer on an email is going to prevent someone from filing a lawsuit that would do so otherwise? For the law firms whose speciality it is to sue for the lack of disclaimers, it means that those companies won't be their victims. Granted, somebody else might sue, but it isn't the shark bait that would otherwise be the case. Methinks you need to work in an industry where being sued daily is a fact of life, to understand why risk adverse actions are engaged in. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 15:08, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: VirusBuster is a commercial product by TrendMicro And that tells you all you need to know. It should be both legitimate and probably also well functioning. TrendMicro has a strong reputation of making barely legitimate spyware that is, at best, third rate. And that is exactly what you have. Third rate spyware that barely functions as its masquerade. If you don't want to give your OS, then give up that AV product. Even Mcaffee is both better spyware, and better at what it masquerades as. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 19:11, Twayne wrote: were brought up on Linux of any flavor, it just doesn't fit the bill. The major issue is if the software you want is available on the platform of choice. For the majority of home users, and front office corporate employees, FLOSS alternatives are equal to, or better than those from Microsoft. For the majority of back office server usage, propriety and FLOSS solutions are on a par. At the very high end of things, Linux solutions, albeit proprietary, are better than those from Microsoft. Between the very high end, and slightly above SOHO quality, Windows products _usually_ offer features and functionality not available in the FLOSS equivalent. Reasons for this vary, according to industry, but as a general rule of thumb, it boils down to either copyrights on the data that is used, or software patents, or it is so specialized that it doesn't scratch any programmer's itch. case it's mostly the lack of drivers for software and hardware I use, and/or For me, Microsoft is utterly unable to provide drivers for the hardware I use. (You can laugh, or you can cry, but the simple fact is that Microsoft Windows just doesn't work on that hardware. I basically had to prove to the CEO of the company I bought it from, that I knew what *nix was, before he allowed the sale of the system I have. Win7 won't run on it either.) Linux, BSD, and OpenSolaris run just fine. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Re: discontinue
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 17:01, Tanstaafl wrote: Anyone who imposes those ridiculous disclaimers, claiming that it is required by law when it is *not*, is a moron. It is called prudence, a concept that you are obviously unfamiliar with. I can't speak for Europe, but I can assure that in the united states there are several law firms whose sole means of income, is suing companies who fail to have such disclaimers on _all_ of their communications, regardless of whether or not they are internal, or external of the company that they are suing. Communication includes text messages, IM, phone calls, voice mail, email, blog postings, twitter tweets, snail mail, and package deliveries, amongst other things. As I wrote before, you have to look at case law, statute law, and regulatory law, before tossing aside the notion that such disclaimers are required by law. Whilst a lawsuit can be, and in some industries is nothing more than the daily cost of doing business, if that much, avoiding a lawsuit saves money, and as such, is what the prudent companies in those industries where being sued daily is a normal business activity, do. [I have worked for several firms that were on the receiving end of those law firms. Those law firms won more often than not. If it was a jury trial, those law firms were assured of a win. On a bench trial, it was fifty/fifty that those law firms would win.] I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: discontinue
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:53, Tanstaafl wrote: I have yet to see one law that actually requires this, when you actually read it. You have to look at both the case law, and the statute law, and the regulatory law. The precise wording might not be stipulated, but the general statement of what is to be included is made. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] discontinue
Terry Plowman wrote: Maybe if the producers would have a real customer support system, people would not get so frustrated and shout. Define real customer support system. Both phone, and on-site support is available, albeit for a price. Whether or not the OP is willing to pay for it, is a different question. The OP didn't care enough to explain what they meant with their original vocabulary, so I doubt that they would be willing to actually pay for support. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Problem in numbered headings
Bashar Maree wrote: I get this uncontrollable indent (as shown below). I'm not sure if this is a I wouldn't call it uncontrollable. I'll grant that it is unexpected for those who can't read tabs. The solution is to increase that tab length by four or five ems. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Path specification
Tim Deaton wrote: The fact that OOo is one program is no excuse. It's still several very different TOOLS, Actually, it is one tool, with several different modes of operation. And nobody who's halfway organized is likely to save all those different kinds of files in the same folder. And anybody who is organized, will have a custom directory for _each_ project_, and _each_ client. What is tossed into those directories is the content for that specific client, regardless of the format that they are in. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: dealing with photographs
Guy Voets wrote: but no program to treat photos, make thumbnails etc. There was an extension for OOo 1.1.5 that allegedly could do some (?most)of that stuff. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] calc: Python
Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Actually, just NEVER EVER use the macro recorder at all, The functionality of the macro recorder depends upon why you think it is there. If you thought it would help you create macros for use on two, or more documents, you'd be wrong. If, OTOH, you thought it would be a simple way to do repeat the same things within the same document, you'd be right. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] error message when saving documents under file
Loyd Patterson wrote: Since installing Open Office I sometimes get an error message when I try to save a document under file. What is the error message that the system generates? jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] problems with copying ;)
Anutka wrote: The thing is I can't copy from a text file to e-mail. I can copy and paste from OO.org Writer to any other text editor but I can't paste to e-mail. Why is that? How can I change it (IF it's possible)? Without knowing which of the following you use: * Operating system; * Version and variant of OOo; * Email Client or Web Browser; it is very hard to pinpoint what is responsible for your inability to cut and paste email. That said, some of the OOo builds, on some Linux variants, won't allow a user a to cut and paste from between Thunderbird, Firefox, and OOo. This is done for _security_ reasons. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Slow to open.etc.
Tanstaafl wrote: And besides... the PC you described is *still* way underpowered for modern *applications*, FWIW, the OOo wikipage lists 256 MB RAM for Solaris, Windows, and Linux, and 512 MB for Mac OS X as the minimum system requirements. Whether or not the OPs machine is underpowered for their usage, depends literally upon what they use their system, for. If all they write is a couple of short (less than 100 pages, no embedded audio, video, or images) documents a month, their system should be fine. If they normally edit documents of 25 000 + pages, that include 1 000+ tables, 10 000+ images, alongside embedded video, and embedded audio, then their system is inadequate. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Forms for Calc
Andreas Saeger wrote: But form controls are obsolete if you know how to tweak cells. How do you tweak a cell to prevent bad data from being input, without using form controls? jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] password doesn't work
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 18:08, Elizabeth Coons wrote: I paid for membership or something and got a password and user name. it doesn't work. Who did you pay? What were you paying for? What was the user name for? What was the password for? ( We don't need your name, or password. What it is for, might indicate why you have it, and where it would be used.) By answering those questions, it _might_ be possible to point you to where your user name and password should work correctly. It _might_ also be possible to point you to who, and where to contact the people who can (if they so desire) give you your money back. users@openoffice.org is a mailing list for users of Openoffice.org to voluntarily help each other with issues they encounter in using OOo. Anybody can subscribe to the list for gratis; Anybody can respond with, hopefully helpful/useful answers/responses to messages sent to the list; AFAIK, none of the list subscribers are paid to lurk/answer/respond to list messages. IOW, this is a strictly volunteer list. Any representation that this is a paid support list is a fraudulent representation. All my downloads are useless, a) What makes your downloads useless? b) Did you obtain your copy of OOo from OpenOffice.org: If not: Enable Javascript Go to http://download.openoffice.org/index.html Click on Download OpenOffice.org. The version of OOo that appears to be the closest match to the operating system, and language that you are currently using, will be downloaded. OOo is distributed gratis. There is an place that one can click on, to _voluntary_ contribute money to the project. This request if purely voluntary, and in no way affects your ability to obtain a copy of OOo. Can i please get my money back ? Nobody on this list knows who you paid your money to. To get your money back, you will have to contact the organization that you paid. Depending upon how you paid, you _may be able_ to dispute the charge with the _bank_ that did the transaction. users@openoffice.org is a mailing list of people that either need help, or like to provide help in using Openoffice.org. It has no connection to any organization that sells OOo. It assuredly is not a paid support list. If you paid for a copy of openoffice.org, and all you were given was a download link, what happened is technically, legal, but morally, unethical. If you were told you would be getting paid support, and were provided with users@openoffice.org as your paid support, you were swindled. Depending upon your legal jurisdiction, you may be able to pursue this through the equivalent of the department of consumer affairs and/or attorney general in your geographical area. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Unicode characters
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:56, Eustace wrote: Does only if font is not available mean if the font of the document does not exist in the computer, or if the font does not have a particular character? If the font you are using does not have the specific glyph, but does have glyphs in the same sub-range, then the font is silently substituted. If it lacks the entire range, then squares are substituted. This operation is done regardless of how the Font Replacement Table is configured. Also, it's the first time I hear about OOo forks. Does it mean developers' versions of OOo that haven't become official? No. The major forks are: * NoGo OOo, which is found mainly on Linux; * Sun OOo, which is found mainly on Windows; * NeoOffice, which is found mainly on Mac OS X; jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Unicode characters
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:23, eric b wrote: You missed a new form of fork, like OOo4Kids: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DerivedWorks is an outdated list of forks and variants. I didn't want to get into listing all of the niche forks, because I knew I'd omit some. And a couple of omissions from that wiki page listing: * Business collaboration/integration EEC Compliance: EuroOffice; * Indus Valley Writing Systems: I've forgotten what this one is called. (¿BharatOffice?) * Semitic languages: I've forgotten what this one is called. :( Depending upon how one defines a fork/variant, the following might qualify: * Korean branch: (This is the only variant that is/was prohibited from contributing any code to any other fork.); * Translate.co.za variant: (This simply includes localization for all official languages, and one or two unofficial languages of South Africa.); Forks that appear to be utterly dead: * AOL Office; jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Unicode characters
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 16:17, eric b wrote: Sure, but OOo4Kids is special : the idea is to work on special parts, like performance, with the idea to contribute back to OpenOffice.org when the code deserves it. If the sole purpose of that fork is to contribute code, then it might be special. If, OTOH, contributing code back is not its sole purpose, then it falls into the same status as RedOffice, translate.co.za, etc. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Unicode characters
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 23:31, Eustace wrote: What impresses me now is the ability of FF/TB to display the character. How on earth do they do it? Font substitution. BTW, the first datum is probably because I do not know your fonts. what are your default font in OOo in Ubuntu and in Mac? The other thing that makes a difference, is which fork of OOo is being used. One of them --- and I've forgotten which one --- has the very nasty habit of using glyphs from a different font, but not providing any indication that that has been done. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Problems using OpenOffice.org service
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 19:25, McLauchlan, Kevin wrote: Why anybody ever thought it was smart to tack that .org onto the end of OpenOffice as part of the APPLICATION name, I'll never understand. Back when Sun purchased StarOffice, having the corporate name and URL being identical gave the company a certain degree of prestige and status. There was also a certain amount of status and prestige in the corporate name, and their work product brand name being identical. The MBAs that came up with that name, have had at least five years of education to explain why the things that they do are neither silly, nor lack common sense, but are the results of profound thought and reflection and why what they selected is indeed the best possible choice. Five to ten years later, those same MBAs will come up with a different set of reasons as to why your original prognosis was correct, and their previous recommendation was utterly off the wall. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Inserting page numbers
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:22, James Wilde wrote: The 'bad' thing about Works was that nobody as far as I can remember ever had a conversion routine for Works-their product and The no-go variants of OOo can read most MSWorks files. ( MS Works, like its big brother, MSO, is incompatible with itself.) so that a Works user was totally isolated from the rest of the population. Microsoft Pocket Office is even more isolated from the population, than the MSWorks user is. Can somebody explain how the company that created the ISO standard, managed to do things so that documents created in MS Pocket Office, that allegedly adhere to that standard, are incompatible with MSO that allegedly also uses that ISO standard. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] What happened to my AutoCorrect entries?
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 06:52, John Jason Jordan wrote: The question is, what are the files where these things reside? user/autocorr The file name is of the form acor_two letter language abbreviation_two letter country abbreviation.dat. From what you wrote above, the filename is acor_en-US.dat For a clean install of any distro, the data that was on the drive is completely wiped, then the distro is installed. To get your old files back, you have to copy them from an archived/backup source. If you didn't burn them to CD/DVD, or put them on a _second_ drive used only for archiving data, you have lost all that data. If you did burn them to CD/DVD, or use a second drive purely for archival purposes, then find the user directory that you backed up, and copy the entire contents of the autocorr, autotext, config, wordbook, and template directories over to your new installation. The entire AutoCorrect feature appears to be missing. I _think_ you are using one of the no-go variants of OOo. The default no-go installation omits a number of features that people find useful, and adds several show stopping bugs, that should require immediate recall, and be fixed, because their inefficiency experts live in Fantasy Land.(To call them show stopping bugs, is to underestimate the degree to which they cripple the functionality of OOo. On a scale on 1 - 100, in importance to fix, these rate at least 10 000, if not 100 000. And why would Fedora install OOo without installing all its features? The theory is that people don't use the features that aren't included. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is Open Office compatible with WIN 7?
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 00:43, NoOp wrote: Not sure what all the above concerns are; OOo 3.2 works just fine on Win7 - tested with Win7HomePremium yesterday. Installed fine, works fine, no issues that I can detect as yet. I assume you mean no issues other than the obvious --- running 32 bit programs on an (allegedly) 64 bit OS. Or is their a 64 bit version of OOo for Windows that is hidden somewhere? jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Is Open Office compatible with WIN 7?
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 02:13, Programmer In Training wrote: What about those who only have 32-bit processors. It has been at least five years since I've seen a vendor offer the option of 32 bit or 64 bit chips. Everything since then has been 64 bit chips. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: FW: America]
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 02:41, Mark Traceur wrote: Oh, by the way, did you know that the early Christians were all socialists? NO THEY WERE NOT! Sources, both of you. It depends upon how one defines the term socialist. Acts 6 and Titus 5 have both been used to support the theory that the Early Christians were either Communists, or Socialists. Other pericopes have been used to prove that they were laissez faire capitalists. jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: checksum
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 23:41, Andreas Saeger wrote: a mailing list is not well suited as a medium for user support. The functionality of mailing lists, as a support medium for software has been debated since the seventies. The original point of comparison was with usenet. The current point of comparison is with web forums. If an archive is available, then usenet and mailing lists are about equal. Likewise, if an archive is available, forums and lists are about equal. If an archive is not available, then forums provide slightly better support. In all instances, roughly a third of the questions are answered adequately within one or two posts, and roughly a quarter of all questions are never answered. From the available data, it would appear that the optimal solution for _user_ convenience would be a mailing list that feeds both a web forum, and a usenet style newsgroup. With IRC/chat forums, a higher percentage of questions are answered adequately, but there is no history for other users to consult. jonathon -- Ethical conduct is a vice. Corrupt conduct is a virtue. Guiding principles of the legal and ethical system of Nacarima. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Differing font sizes depending on language
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 09:57, Dotan Cohen wrote: Can OOo change the font size depending on language? That depends upon the writing system that is used. If both writing systems are CJKV, no. If both writing systems are BiDi, no. If both writing systems are Complex Text, no; If both writing systems are left to right, top to bottom, no; If one writing system is BiDi, and one writing system is Complex Text, no; If one writing system is either BiDi, or Complex Text, and the other writing system is CJKV, yes; If one writing system is either BiDi or Complex Text, and the other writing system is left to right, top to bottom, yes; If one writing system is CJKV and the other writing system is left to right, top to bottom, yes; jonathon -- Ethical conduct is a vice. Corrupt conduct is a virtue. Guiding principles of the legal and ethical system of Nacarima. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Differing font sizes depending on language
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 14:03, Dotan Cohen wrote: I must state that what follows below is very complete and invested. The fifth edition of that documentation has more about writing systems than anybody other than a grammatologist would be interested in. Thanks! Did you discover that by experimentation, or is there a fine document where I could have turned had I known it to exist? AFAIK, neither the 1st edition nor the 2nd edition of that documentation is currently available on any of the OOo websites. The third and subsequent editions were not publicly released. (Mainly due to a lack of apparent interest by OOo users.) jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Differing font sizes depending on language
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 19:25, Dotan Cohen wrote: AFAIK, neither the 1st edition nor the 2nd edition of that documentation is currently available on any of the OOo websites. What was the name of the docs? I'll google it to find a source. Thanks. When I wrote my earlier statement, it was based on the results of a Google Search. If you are aware of any search engine that covers more of the Internet than Google, I'm all ears. Anyway, the title was _OOo in a multi-lingual environment_. jonathon -- Ethical conduct is a vice. Corrupt conduct is a virtue. Guiding principles of the legal and ethical system of Nacarima. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
