Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
At 19:50 24/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: The previous version of OO acts differently than 2.4 when inserting a page break and changing the page numbering... For instance my first page should be a cover page (no page number), the second page should be of type Index. The index page has a table of contents. It should be page 1 and display in roman numerals. The table of contents might be more than one page. Following the table of contents is the document proper (whose numbering should begin at 1). This is all very sensible and standard, of course (though I could not have guessed this detail from your earlier messages!). And Writer will do it all for you very conveniently. I think the only potentially puzzling behaviour here is what Writer calls automatically inserted blank pages. Writer considers that you may wish to print your document double-sided and consequently arranges that each odd-numbered page becomes a recto and each even-numbered page a verso. So your second and third sections - each starting at a new version of page 1 (or i) - will be forced onto a right-hand page, with an extra blank page preceding them if necessary. Note that these blank pages do not appear in the normal editing view, but they are clearly visible in Page Preview. If you wish to print the document double-sided, you will need to print, as it were, these blank pages - unless you prefer not to follow this system of page arrangement. But if you print single-sided, you will not want to waste paper by doing so. In any case, you can control the way the document prints at Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Print | Other | Print automatically inserted blank pages; alternatively, you can reach the same setting on the fly using the Options... button in the Print dialogue. I should be surprised if this behaviour is different from that in earlier versions than 2.4, but I can't comment on that since don't have them available to test. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
You can vote for that enhancement request: - http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=88361 Disable even=left/odd=right page rule to avoid page numbering issues Hagar Le 25.05.2008 08:58, Brian Barker a écrit : At 19:50 24/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: The previous version of OO acts differently than 2.4 when inserting a page break and changing the page numbering... For instance my first page should be a cover page (no page number), the second page should be of type Index. The index page has a table of contents. It should be page 1 and display in roman numerals. The table of contents might be more than one page. Following the table of contents is the document proper (whose numbering should begin at 1). This is all very sensible and standard, of course (though I could not have guessed this detail from your earlier messages!). And Writer will do it all for you very conveniently. I think the only potentially puzzling behaviour here is what Writer calls automatically inserted blank pages. Writer considers that you may wish to print your document double-sided and consequently arranges that each odd-numbered page becomes a recto and each even-numbered page a verso. So your second and third sections - each starting at a new version of page 1 (or i) - will be forced onto a right-hand page, with an extra blank page preceding them if necessary. Note that these blank pages do not appear in the normal editing view, but they are clearly visible in Page Preview. If you wish to print the document double-sided, you will need to print, as it were, these blank pages - unless you prefer not to follow this system of page arrangement. But if you print single-sided, you will not want to waste paper by doing so. In any case, you can control the way the document prints at Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Print | Other | Print automatically inserted blank pages; alternatively, you can reach the same setting on the fly using the Options... button in the Print dialogue. I should be surprised if this behaviour is different from that in earlier versions than 2.4, but I can't comment on that since don't have them available to test. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Brian Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 19:50 24/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: The previous version of OO acts differently than 2.4 when inserting a page break and changing the page numbering... For instance my first page should be a cover page (no page number), the second page should be of type Index. The index page has a table of contents. It should be page 1 and display in roman numerals. The table of contents might be more than one page. Following the table of contents is the document proper (whose numbering should begin at 1). This is all very sensible and standard, of course (though I could not have guessed this detail from your earlier messages!). And Writer will do it all for you very conveniently. I think the only potentially puzzling behaviour here is what Writer calls automatically inserted blank pages. Writer considers that you may wish to print your document double-sided and consequently arranges that each odd-numbered page becomes a recto and each even-numbered page a verso. So your second and third sections - each starting at a new version of page 1 (or i) - will be forced onto a right-hand page, with an extra blank page preceding them if necessary. Note that these blank pages do not appear in the normal editing view, but they are clearly visible in Page Preview. If you wish to print the document double-sided, you will need to print, as it were, these blank pages - unless you prefer not to follow this system of page arrangement. But if you print single-sided, you will not want to waste paper by doing so. In any case, you can control the way the document prints at Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Print | Other | Print automatically inserted blank pages; alternatively, you can reach the same setting on the fly using the Options... button in the Print dialogue. I should be surprised if this behaviour is different from that in earlier versions than 2.4, but I can't comment on that since don't have them available to test. The behaviour of 2.4 compared to th previous release does vary. The previous version does not print the blank page. The trouble with the blank page is that nobody ever puts them back in the printer, and they end up getting damaged and thrown away. Its just a waste of paper. I don't want to print double sided. Adrian
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
Printing blank pages can be turned off in the ToolsOptionsOOo WriterPrint dialog IIRC. Hagar Le 25.05.2008 19:27, Adrian Parker a écrit : On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Brian Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 19:50 24/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: The previous version of OO acts differently than 2.4 when inserting a page break and changing the page numbering... For instance my first page should be a cover page (no page number), the second page should be of type Index. The index page has a table of contents. It should be page 1 and display in roman numerals. The table of contents might be more than one page. Following the table of contents is the document proper (whose numbering should begin at 1). This is all very sensible and standard, of course (though I could not have guessed this detail from your earlier messages!). And Writer will do it all for you very conveniently. I think the only potentially puzzling behaviour here is what Writer calls automatically inserted blank pages. Writer considers that you may wish to print your document double-sided and consequently arranges that each odd-numbered page becomes a recto and each even-numbered page a verso. So your second and third sections - each starting at a new version of page 1 (or i) - will be forced onto a right-hand page, with an extra blank page preceding them if necessary. Note that these blank pages do not appear in the normal editing view, but they are clearly visible in Page Preview. If you wish to print the document double-sided, you will need to print, as it were, these blank pages - unless you prefer not to follow this system of page arrangement. But if you print single-sided, you will not want to waste paper by doing so. In any case, you can control the way the document prints at Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Print | Other | Print automatically inserted blank pages; alternatively, you can reach the same setting on the fly using the Options... button in the Print dialogue. I should be surprised if this behaviour is different from that in earlier versions than 2.4, but I can't comment on that since don't have them available to test. The behaviour of 2.4 compared to th previous release does vary. The previous version does not print the blank page. The trouble with the blank page is that nobody ever puts them back in the printer, and they end up getting damaged and thrown away. Its just a waste of paper. I don't want to print double sided. Adrian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Hagar de l'Est [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Printing blank pages can be turned off in the ToolsOptionsOOo WriterPrint dialog IIRC. Oh, that's good then :) Hagar Le 25.05.2008 19:27, Adrian Parker a écrit : On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Brian Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 19:50 24/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: The previous version of OO acts differently than 2.4 when inserting a page break and changing the page numbering... For instance my first page should be a cover page (no page number), the second page should be of type Index. The index page has a table of contents. It should be page 1 and display in roman numerals. The table of contents might be more than one page. Following the table of contents is the document proper (whose numbering should begin at 1). This is all very sensible and standard, of course (though I could not have guessed this detail from your earlier messages!). And Writer will do it all for you very conveniently. I think the only potentially puzzling behaviour here is what Writer calls automatically inserted blank pages. Writer considers that you may wish to print your document double-sided and consequently arranges that each odd-numbered page becomes a recto and each even-numbered page a verso. So your second and third sections - each starting at a new version of page 1 (or i) - will be forced onto a right-hand page, with an extra blank page preceding them if necessary. Note that these blank pages do not appear in the normal editing view, but they are clearly visible in Page Preview. If you wish to print the document double-sided, you will need to print, as it were, these blank pages - unless you prefer not to follow this system of page arrangement. But if you print single-sided, you will not want to waste paper by doing so. In any case, you can control the way the document prints at Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Print | Other | Print automatically inserted blank pages; alternatively, you can reach the same setting on the fly using the Options... button in the Print dialogue. I should be surprised if this behaviour is different from that in earlier versions than 2.4, but I can't comment on that since don't have them available to test. The behaviour of 2.4 compared to th previous release does vary. The previous version does not print the blank page. The trouble with the blank page is that nobody ever puts them back in the printer, and they end up getting damaged and thrown away. Its just a waste of paper. I don't want to print double sided.
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
At 13:27 25/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: The behaviour of 2.4 compared to the previous release does vary. The previous version does not print the blank page. I hear you repeating this claim, but I don't believe it to be the case. According to the web site, the option to suppress the printing of automatically inserted blank pages dates from version 2.0.2 in early 2006. So the blank pages themselves must date back at least that far. And version 2.4 doesn't print the blank pages either - unless you have chosen to have the option ticked to ask it to. The trouble with the blank page is that nobody ever puts them back in the printer, and they end up getting damaged and thrown away. Its just a waste of paper. This is all true. So I don't understand why you or anyone else would choose to have the option ticked to have these blank pages produced if they were printing single-sided and didn't need them. That's the only puzzle for me. Good housekeeping is only an un-tick away! I don't want to print double sided. Fine. Then you would surely not choose to have the option ticked and waste the paper, would you? The only remaining problem for single-sided documents is the incorrect value for Page Count - but that may be cosmetic. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Brian Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 13:27 25/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: The behaviour of 2.4 compared to the previous release does vary. The previous version does not print the blank page. I hear you repeating this claim, but I don't believe it to be the case. According to the web site, the option to suppress the printing of automatically inserted blank pages dates from version 2.0.2 in early 2006. So the blank pages themselves must date back at least that far. And version 2.4 doesn't print the blank pages either - unless you have chosen to have the option ticked to ask it to. 2.4 does it by default. You don't have to enable it. I've installed 2.4 on a newly formatted machine, and it prints the blank pages. 2.3 didn't on a fresh install. The trouble with the blank page is that nobody ever puts them back in the printer, and they end up getting damaged and thrown away. Its just a waste of paper. This is all true. So I don't understand why you or anyone else would choose to have the option ticked to have these blank pages produced if they were printing single-sided and didn't need them. That's the only puzzle for me. Good housekeeping is only an un-tick away! I don't want to print double sided. Fine. Then you would surely not choose to have the option ticked and waste the paper, would you? I obviously didn't now about the option to disable it. The only remaining problem for single-sided documents is the incorrect value for Page Count - but that may be cosmetic. The page count is obviously an issue on any single-sided unbound document.
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
At 23:53 23/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: I'm using OpenOffice 2.4. If I open a new document I see that the document is 1 page long (obviously). I then click on Insert-Manual Break. Visually the page is now 2 pages long. However, the page count field shows the document as 3 pages long, and if I move the cursor into the second page, the current page is listed as page 3/3. At 00:38 24/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: Only happens when you change the page number. Steps to reproduce: 1. Create a new Writer Text Document 2. Click Insert-Manual Break 3. In the window that opens select Page Break 4. Change Style to Default 5. Check Change Page Number 6. Press the OK button or hit Enter o In the Insert Break dialogue, there is no need to set a style unless you want the page break to cause a change in page style of the new page from the style of the current page. o The Change page number option changes the number of the new page from what it would otherwise naturally have been. It seems that you are interfering with the normal numbering of your pages and then asking why they are not numbered normally! If you have given your second page an odd number, it will need to be printed as a right-hand page - a recto - rather than the left-hand page - verso - that it would naturally be. OpenOffice Writer is helpfully inserting a blank page, which will be necessary if you print the document double-sided. You can confirm this using Page Preview, when you should see your two pages separated by another, with the legend blank page. (Whether this automatically inserted blank page actually prints depends on a printer option.) I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Brian Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 23:53 23/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: I'm using OpenOffice 2.4. If I open a new document I see that the document is 1 page long (obviously). I then click on Insert-Manual Break. Visually the page is now 2 pages long. However, the page count field shows the document as 3 pages long, and if I move the cursor into the second page, the current page is listed as page 3/3. At 00:38 24/05/2008 -0400, Adrian Parker wrote: Only happens when you change the page number. Steps to reproduce: 1. Create a new Writer Text Document 2. Click Insert-Manual Break 3. In the window that opens select Page Break 4. Change Style to Default 5. Check Change Page Number 6. Press the OK button or hit Enter o In the Insert Break dialogue, there is no need to set a style unless you want the page break to cause a change in page style of the new page from the style of the current page. I do. I set First page on the first page, and following the first page should be style of Index. Another break on the Index page and the 3rd page should be Default. o The Change page number option changes the number of the new page from what it would otherwise naturally have been. It seems that you are interfering with the normal numbering of your pages and then asking why they are not numbered normally! The previous version of OO acts differently then 2.4 when inserting a page break and changing the page numbering... For instance my first page should be a cover page (no page number), the second page should be of type Index. The index page has a table of contents. It should be page 1 and display in roman numerals. The table of contents might be more than one page. Following the table of contents is the document proper (whose numbering should begin at 1). Adrian
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
Hi Adrian I can't reproduce this behaviour. It works as expected on OOo 2.4 / Win XP Neil Adrian Parker wrote: Hello, I'm using OpenOffice 2.4. If I open a new document I see that the document is 1 page long (obviously). I then click on Insert-Manual Break. Visually the page is now 2 pages long. However, the page count field shows the document as 3 pages long, and if I move the cursor into the second page, the current page is listed as page 3/3. Is this normal behaviour? Adrian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
I'm on Win XP, using OO 2.4 :) I'll try uninstalling and reinstalling. I seem to have 2.3 and 2.4 simultaneously installed, I'm not sure how I managed that. Adrian On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adrian I can't reproduce this behaviour. It works as expected on OOo 2.4 / Win XP Neil Adrian Parker wrote: Hello, I'm using OpenOffice 2.4. If I open a new document I see that the document is 1 page long (obviously). I then click on Insert-Manual Break. Visually the page is now 2 pages long. However, the page count field shows the document as 3 pages long, and if I move the cursor into the second page, the current page is listed as page 3/3. Is this normal behaviour? Adrian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Adrian Parker Senior Programmer Analyst DLCSPM 6 Simulation Building A31, CFB Kingston Tel: (613) 541-5010 x3020 CSN: 271-3020 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adrian I can't reproduce this behaviour. It works as expected on OOo 2.4 / Win XP Neil Adrian Parker wrote: Hello, I'm using OpenOffice 2.4. If I open a new document I see that the document is 1 page long (obviously). I then click on Insert-Manual Break. Visually the page is now 2 pages long. However, the page count field shows the document as 3 pages long, and if I move the cursor into the second page, the current page is listed as page 3/3. Fresh install, same thing. Only happens when you change the page number. Steps to reproduce: 1. Create a new Writer Text Document 2. Click Insert-Maual Break 3. In the window that opens select Page Break 4. Change Style to Default 5. Check Change Page Number 6. Press the OK button or hit Enter
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
Ok I see - it only happens when you want to change the page number (which you did not mention previously). Looks like it could be a bug Neil Adrian Parker wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adrian I can't reproduce this behaviour. It works as expected on OOo 2.4 / Win XP Neil Adrian Parker wrote: Hello, I'm using OpenOffice 2.4. If I open a new document I see that the document is 1 page long (obviously). I then click on Insert-Manual Break. Visually the page is now 2 pages long. However, the page count field shows the document as 3 pages long, and if I move the cursor into the second page, the current page is listed as page 3/3. Fresh install, same thing. Only happens when you change the page number. Steps to reproduce: 1. Create a new Writer Text Document 2. Click Insert-Maual Break 3. In the window that opens select Page Break 4. Change Style to Default 5. Check Change Page Number 6. Press the OK button or hit Enter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [users] Manual Breaks and Page Numbers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I see - it only happens when you want to change the page number (which you did not mention previously). Looks like it could be a bug Neil Adrian Parker wrote: snip Fresh install, same thing. Only happens when you change the page number. Steps to reproduce: 1. Create a new Writer Text Document 2. Click Insert-Maual Break 3. In the window that opens select Page Break 4. Change Style to Default 5. Check Change Page Number 6. Press the OK button or hit Enter I think what is happening is this. The default page style starts with page 1 on the right. When you tick the Change Page Number checkbox it defaults to a page number of 1. When you say OK at this point then you now have two Page Ones..and each is on the right, so it must insert a BLANK left page between the two. In fact if you do this with the 3.0 beta of OO.o, where there is a multi-page display available you will see the blank page displayed. -- OpenOffice.org User Community Forum: http://user.services.openoffice.org United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
