Re: [OT] Why an email list, and not a forum?
George Sexton wrote: ... Given an infinitely large sample, any idea no matter how irrational is bound to find at least a few adherents. That is a wildly optimistic point of view. Given a finite world population of about 7,000,000,000 , many irrational ideas are collecting hundreds of millions of adherents all the time. Merely the list of such irrational ideas would take several lifetimes to compile. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Logging Not Working Properly
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Re: Tomcat Consultant
Yep, PL/I was a great language. My first stunt was opening up partitioned dataset and treating it as sequential to play with the header. Yes, I had backups. I worked for a consulting organization for a while. I was at that time a network person, but the first thing they did was put me in as site lead for a 200+ node HP-UX site. I had touched HP-UX twice, being mostly a SunOS and DEC Ultrix (Berkeley UNIX) person. No crash course offered, just threw me into the pool and see if I could take a broken site / team and fix it. Fun times . . . /mde/ - Original Message From: michel compu...@videotron.ca To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:21:58 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ... It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better future than it really did. - Original Message - From: Donald Winston satchwins...@yahoo.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals not arabic. I always thought this was funny) On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually being on a project under those conditions. Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all you need is a crash course to be an expert! - Original Message - From: Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com To: 'Tomcat Users List' users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different projects. Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned ... I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. - Original Message - From: Martin Gainty mgai...@hotmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a 1000 brooks brothers suit add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi translator for spanish how about unisys??? Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU Martin Gainty __ No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org I should have copyrights on my name. LOL On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Jorge Medina [mailto:cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 02:43 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. Esto si que sonó gracioso. Aca en Peru, Arthur Andersen (QEPD) tenia a unos 3 socios, uno de los cuales se llamaba JORGE MEDINA. :-D You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the Big-5. Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while Websphere is an application server. Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate it to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application server. -Jorge On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To whom it may concern, On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: My fortune 500 company is testing a
Re: Tomcat Consultant
I have not touched PL/I in over 20 years, but from a developer's point of view I don't see any of the current languages being any better. We are still reinventing the wheel with promises that the next version will be more round, and it never is ... While PL/I is a procedural language, not object oriented, I don't even see a world of difference between the two. Code is code, and you just need to have functions and procedures to logically encapsulate the code. I don't have a problem with being thrown in the water, but not when some sales person doesn't explain it to the client. While I still code (in Java) I have pretty well given up doing it for others; I have gotten burned out because the non-stop cycle of new-and-better-technology coupled with having some learning disabilities has made it way to easy for screwed up projects and other people's inept work habits to automatically become my fault. PL/I - Original Message - From: Mark Eggers its_toas...@yahoo.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Yep, PL/I was a great language. My first stunt was opening up partitioned dataset and treating it as sequential to play with the header. Yes, I had backups. I worked for a consulting organization for a while. I was at that time a network person, but the first thing they did was put me in as site lead for a 200+ node HP-UX site. I had touched HP-UX twice, being mostly a SunOS and DEC Ultrix (Berkeley UNIX) person. No crash course offered, just threw me into the pool and see if I could take a broken site / team and fix it. Fun times . . . /mde/ - Original Message From: michel compu...@videotron.ca To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:21:58 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ... It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better future than it really did. - Original Message - From: Donald Winston satchwins...@yahoo.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals not arabic. I always thought this was funny) On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually being on a project under those conditions. Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all you need is a crash course to be an expert! - Original Message - From: Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com To: 'Tomcat Users List' users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different projects. Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned ... I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. - Original Message - From: Martin Gainty mgai...@hotmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a 1000 brooks brothers suit add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi translator for spanish how about unisys??? Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU Martin Gainty __ No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org I should have copyrights on my name. LOL On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Jorge Medina
Re: Tomcat Consultant
Great Exp Michel :) On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, michel compu...@videotron.ca wrote: I have not touched PL/I in over 20 years, but from a developer's point of view I don't see any of the current languages being any better. We are still reinventing the wheel with promises that the next version will be more round, and it never is ... While PL/I is a procedural language, not object oriented, I don't even see a world of difference between the two. Code is code, and you just need to have functions and procedures to logically encapsulate the code. I don't have a problem with being thrown in the water, but not when some sales person doesn't explain it to the client. While I still code (in Java) I have pretty well given up doing it for others; I have gotten burned out because the non-stop cycle of new-and-better-technology coupled with having some learning disabilities has made it way to easy for screwed up projects and other people's inept work habits to automatically become my fault. PL/I - Original Message - From: Mark Eggers its_toas...@yahoo.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Yep, PL/I was a great language. My first stunt was opening up partitioned dataset and treating it as sequential to play with the header. Yes, I had backups. I worked for a consulting organization for a while. I was at that time a network person, but the first thing they did was put me in as site lead for a 200+ node HP-UX site. I had touched HP-UX twice, being mostly a SunOS and DEC Ultrix (Berkeley UNIX) person. No crash course offered, just threw me into the pool and see if I could take a broken site / team and fix it. Fun times . . . /mde/ - Original Message From: michel compu...@videotron.ca To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Fri, September 24, 2010 7:21:58 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant Just to mess with you, it's really PL/I ... It was a fantastic, leading edge language that should have had a much better future than it really did. - Original Message - From: Donald Winston satchwins...@yahoo.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I was a PL-I expert. That's why I know it's spelled PL-I (roman numerals not arabic. I always thought this was funny) On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, michel wrote: Don't know about you, but I was left really, really worried about actually being on a project under those conditions. Lots of room for doing a crash-and-burn ... Back when I started in the business in 1982 I had to learn PL-1, the best darned language that never managed to get a good market share. It was said that it took four years to really learn how to use it. These days all you need is a crash course to be an expert! - Original Message - From: Brian bbprefix-m...@yahoo.com To: 'Tomcat Users List' users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant That is true sometimes. I was hired by Arthur Andersen (RIP), they sent me to an SAP crash-course, the tipe of course that shows you zillions of Powerpoint slides and you get out of the course with tons of doubts. Then they sent me directly to a proyect, and I bet they billed a lot for my time. I was introduced as an experienced SAP consultant. -Original Message- From: michel [mailto:compu...@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 07:35 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant I once worked for a consulting company that wasn't a big 5, but had some pretty good contact. They hired me out of Montreal on Friday, had me in Denver on Sunday and spending 2 weeks in a training center so I could become an instant 'expert' they could hire out for big $$$ on different projects. Then I spent 3 months at home while they tried to get some contacts, and then got canned when they couldn't, then the guys who hired me got canned ... I can't figure out how these companies can get away with this nonsense. - Original Message - From: Martin Gainty mgai...@hotmail.com To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: RE: Tomcat Consultant triple your budget when the big 5 consultant steps out a lamberghini in a 1000 brooks brothers suit add 25% to the rate if he looks younger than zuckerberg BTW: big 5 consultants only speak english or hindi..you'll need a hindi translator for spanish how about unisys??? Saludos Cordiales desde EEUU Martin Gainty __ No altere ni interrumpa por favor esta transmisión. Gracias Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:55:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Tomcat Consultant From: cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org I should have
Re: [OT] Why an email list, and not a forum?
I also prefer forums very very much to email lists. Now I've got three or four email groups I've joined and it feels like my inbox is filled with spam rather than info or stuff I'd want to read/answer even tho it's related to stuff I really should be interested in. /Elrinth On 25 September 2010 13:05, André Warnier a...@ice-sa.com wrote: George Sexton wrote: ... Given an infinitely large sample, any idea no matter how irrational is bound to find at least a few adherents. That is a wildly optimistic point of view. Given a finite world population of about 7,000,000,000 , many irrational ideas are collecting hundreds of millions of adherents all the time. Merely the list of such irrational ideas would take several lifetimes to compile. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
Jorge, Could you explain further what's the difference between an app container and an app server? For me it seems pretty much the same. Regards, Daniel Savard 2010/9/24, Jorge Medina cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com: Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the Big-5. Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while Websphere is an application server. Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate it to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application server. -Jorge On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To whom it may concern, On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of tomcat. Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean trusted? Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm that could provide these services? I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance of Tomcat for you. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+A27 dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas =vADj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- - Daniel Savard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Daniel Savard daniel.sav...@gmail.com wrote: Could you explain further what's the difference between an app container and an app server? For me it seems pretty much the same. Several hundred megabytes and 10x the number of configuration files, typically. And pain. Let's not forget the pain... -- Hassan Schroeder hassan.schroe...@gmail.com twitter: @hassan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: [OT] Why an email list, and not a forum?
On 9/25/2010 12:29 PM, Nicklas Holmgren wrote: I also prefer forums very very much to email lists. Now I've got three or four email groups I've joined and it feels like my inbox is filled with spam rather than info or stuff I'd want to read/answer even tho it's related to stuff I really should be interested in. /Elrinth Use filters to sort incoming mail from the mailing lists into different folders. That way you can see quickly what is going on in each group. D - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat 6.0.28 w/ VeriSign SSL TLS -- Errors upon startup.
On 24/09/2010 14:30, Sean Killeen wrote: @ Chuck / Mark, I have renamed the tcnative-1.dll to tcnative-1.skdll, and have commented out the AprLifecycleListener line. And it works! :) So, something to know is that despite Commenting out the AprLifecycleListener line, it was still looking for the DLL, which had to be renamed. Yep, that is the bug I meant. It should be fixed in the latest 6.0.x Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: tomcat connection pool - status and future?
On 24/09/2010 18:11, Jason Pringle wrote: On 09/23/2010 2:27 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: Several release attempts have failed due to a lack of interest. Lack of interest by whom? The development team or the tomcat community? Anyone apart from the original developer. You'll see a little recent activity from me but that was because work needed a new version with some bug fixes. The next generation of DBCP will be based on Pool 2.0 which will be based on the Java 5 concurrency features. Current thinking is to 'borrow' code from jdbc-pool to update Commons Pool but that work has not been started. Ah - a roadmap :) Is there some chatter on the dev list to read up on here? There is a little. It is on the commons dev mailing list. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
[OT] Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On 24/09/2010 01:19, Brian wrote: Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? If you want a forum style interface, unsubscribe from the mailing list and use Nabble. My personal view is that e-mail offers many advantages, the most important of which is having a local off-line archive of the list traffic. I can read/reply/search without an internet connection. That would be impossible with a web only interface. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: [OT] Re: Why an email list, and not a forum?
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote: On 24/09/2010 01:19, Brian wrote: Hi, Just a thought: Why is this support taking place in an email list, instead aof a web based forum? If you want a forum style interface, unsubscribe from the mailing list and use Nabble. My personal view is that e-mail offers many advantages, the most important of which is having a local off-line archive of the list traffic. I can read/reply/search without an internet connection. That would be impossible with a web only interface. Mark Google gears / HTML5 anyone. Naw seriously if you need to work without a connection that sucks. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Consultant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server I am no expert, I have never used a J2EE container, so verify my words below: A web container (Tomcat) allows you to run servlets...(or JSPs that get compiled into servlets) A J2EE container or Application Server (Glassfish) can also manage EJBs, it will support message queues (JMS), it will allow you to manage database and JNDI resources, it can handle a transaction manager. You can probably use JMS, set up JNDI resources and use a transaction manager within your webapp in Tomcat but you have to add the features yourself; an application server should be able to help set up all that and help you manage it, in theory speeding up your development. An application server is also a web container, but it offers you many other features. http://download.oracle.com/javaee/1.4/tutorial/doc/Overview3.html On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Daniel Savard daniel.sav...@gmail.com wrote: Jorge, Could you explain further what's the difference between an app container and an app server? For me it seems pretty much the same. Regards, Daniel Savard 2010/9/24, Jorge Medina cerebrotecnolog...@gmail.com: Hey, you don't need a Big-5 consulting company. You need a a couple of experts: a networking guy and a Tomcat guy. But anyway, I'm sure a Fortune 500 have the money to overpay one of the Big-5. Now, from my understanding, Tomcat is only a web app container while Websphere is an application server. Therefore, depending on your application you may not be able to migrate it to Tomcat, but rather to Glassfish. Glassfish is also an application server. -Jorge On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To whom it may concern, On 9/24/2010 1:25 PM, tdelesio wrote: My fortune 500 company is testing a pilot for switching over a J2EE web app over from Web Sphere application server to Tomcat and we are looking for a consultant to setup a crusted production instance of tomcat. Wait... are you testing it? If so, then you don't need anyone to set it up, do you? By crusted, did you mean trusted? Does anyone have any recommendations for a top notch consulting firm that could provide these services? I'm sure that any of the big-5 consulting companies would be very happy to take way more money than is necessary to set up an instance of Tomcat for you. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkyc5o4ACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PAjugCgiACwh5crjW+HXMKbzAWc+A27 dC4AoJjm6Dgs7FbMPrD3VBBdZl48VXas =vADj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- - Daniel Savard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
