[USMA:11793] Hybrid cars
For all those who got used to expressing the car's engine power in horsepower, these 2 cars may be a big surprise. Toyota and Honda are selling hybrid cars (gasolene/electric) which can run on both the fuels. The Toyota Prius has 70 horsepower with an additional 25 kw of power from electric batteries while Honda Insight has 67 horsepower with additional 10 kw from batterie. Had the Americans used kilowatts for the power of car, it could have been easier to convince the people about the benefits of such a car. Its high time for the American car companies to switch over to kw, since they are planning to bring their version of hybrid cars by 2003. Madan __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[USMA:11794] Re: [ukma] Fw: metrication is iconoclasm
2001-03-24 And to think, this response was before the vote was taken and the imperialists were defeated. Can you imagine their reaction today? What is even more stupid, the BWMA is ASS-U-ME-ing that in 8.75 years, people will not have adjusted to SI. If the government is strong and holds its ground, and all the scales convert in the next year or so, and the shops get tired of dual pricing and gradually drop pound prices, and people adjust, then the phasing out of non-SI supplemental units will happen long before the legal cut-off date. One thing that will work in favour of our cause is the companies that manufacture and service the scales. If they only provide for metric only scales for sale and convert any scale that does come in for service, it will be a matter of time anyway before pounds and ounces die out. There now needs to be an effort to get shops to provide 500 g amounts for those who continue to ask for pounds. If the pound is no longer a legal unit, then the pound can assume any value. And it would not be illegal for a shop to use 500 g as an easy conversion for people who continue to ask for pounds. Just like they do on the continent. John Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtmlich glaubt frei zu sein. There are none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free! Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) - Original Message - From: "Jeff Gross" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2001-03-24 11:35 Subject: Re: [ukma] Fw: [USMA:11777] metrication is iconoclasm Poor babies. They're really grasping at straws. Does that mean when they're done crying in their pint of beer that they'll actually try and learn how to use the metric system? I'm looking forward to seeing Vivian Linacre and Steve Thoburn on the historical reenactment circuit. They'll be the ones in the mediaeval village selling bananas for a groat or two per pound. -- Jeff On Fri, 23 March 2001, "kilopascal" wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "U.S. Metric Association" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2001-03-23 06:06 Subject: [USMA:11777] metrication is iconoclasm To the BWMA the abolition of lb/oz is the same thing as the iconoclasm by the Afghan Taliban. Han PRESS RELEASE 18.3.01 IMPERIAL FINALE, OR THE ABOLITION OF HISTORY BWMA's condemnation of the Commons' debate on the complete end to imperial measures. Taliban are condemned for destroying their history, dynamiting ancient statues. Our government, at the bidding of the European Commission, is just as guilty. On March 14th parliament had the chance to debate the final and total annihilation of the last vestiges of our popular, traditional and customary system of measures. The Weights and Measures (Metrication Amendments) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 85), make it a criminal offence to even mention imperial measurements in trade, public health, public safety and administrative purposes, after the year 2009. No other helpful information may be given to the shopper, patient, or public servant, except metric quantities. The consequences of a society criminalised for using imperial weights and measures must extend beyond market stalls, retail outlets and the market place in general. Educationally and culturally, society is intended to convert to metric so that a national amnesia about traditional measurements is being induced. This will make an outcast of our historical archives that largely consists of references to imperial measures. A researching public, ranging from academics to householders consulting records including title deeds, charters, maps and house plans will be confronted increasingly by information that has become illegal and of which they will have little or no knowledge or awareness. The government refused to make an application to the European Commission for permission to extend indefinitely our right to use our customary imperial system. In the Commons debate the Minister for Trade Dr Howells jeered at the Opposition, accusing them of objecting only because they are frightened of losing seats. The government is dead set to criminalise the 93% of people who prefer imperial measures for every day use. The vote in the Commons to annul this most unpopular regulation was deferred till Wednesday 21 March, after a similar motion to be heard in the Lords on Tuesday.
[USMA:11796] Re: [ukma] Fw: metrication is iconoclasm
I've always thought that metric is just a proxy battle for deeper resentments. They don't dislike metricatION, they dislike metricatORS - those they regard as either pointy-headed or foreign. Seeing their arch-adversaries win one like this requires a tantrum (see below). They're not even entertaining, just childish. Nat :-) note pointy-head And to think, this response was before the vote was taken and the imperialists were defeated. Can you imagine their reaction today? What is even more stupid, the BWMA is ASS-U-ME-ing that in 8.75 years, people will not have adjusted to SI. If the government is strong and holds its ground, and all the scales convert in the next year or so, and the shops get tired of dual pricing and gradually drop pound prices, and people adjust, then the phasing out of non-SI supplemental units will happen long before the legal cut-off date. One thing that will work in favour of our cause is the companies that manufacture and service the scales. If they only provide for metric only scales for sale and convert any scale that does come in for service, it will be a matter of time anyway before pounds and ounces die out. There now needs to be an effort to get shops to provide 500 g amounts for those who continue to ask for pounds. If the pound is no longer a legal unit, then the pound can assume any value. And it would not be illegal for a shop to use 500 g as an easy conversion for people who continue to ask for pounds. Just like they do on the continent. John Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtmlich glaubt frei zu sein. There are none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free! Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) - Original Message - From: "Jeff Gross" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2001-03-24 11:35 Subject: Re: [ukma] Fw: [USMA:11777] metrication is iconoclasm Poor babies. They're really grasping at straws. Does that mean when they're done crying in their pint of beer that they'll actually try and learn how to use the metric system? I'm looking forward to seeing Vivian Linacre and Steve Thoburn on the historical reenactment circuit. They'll be the ones in the mediaeval village selling bananas for a groat or two per pound. -- Jeff On Fri, 23 March 2001, "kilopascal" wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "U.S. Metric Association" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2001-03-23 06:06 Subject: [USMA:11777] metrication is iconoclasm To the BWMA the abolition of lb/oz is the same thing as the iconoclasm by the Afghan Taliban. Han PRESS RELEASE 18.3.01 IMPERIAL FINALE, OR THE ABOLITION OF HISTORY BWMA's condemnation of the Commons' debate on the complete end to imperial measures. Taliban are condemned for destroying their history, dynamiting ancient statues. Our government, at the bidding of the European Commission, is just as guilty. On March 14th parliament had the chance to debate the final and total annihilation of the last vestiges of our popular, traditional and customary system of measures. The Weights and Measures (Metrication Amendments) Regulations 2001 (S.I., 2001, No. 85), make it a criminal offence to even mention imperial measurements in trade, public health, public safety and administrative purposes, after the year 2009. No other helpful information may be given to the shopper, patient, or public servant, except metric quantities. The consequences of a society criminalised for using imperial weights and measures must extend beyond market stalls, retail outlets and the market place in general. Educationally and culturally, society is intended to convert to metric so that a national amnesia about traditional measurements is being induced. This will make an outcast of our historical archives that largely consists of references to imperial measures. A researching public, ranging from academics to householders consulting records including title deeds, charters, maps and house plans will be confronted increasingly by information that has become illegal and of which they will have little or no knowledge or awareness. The government refused to make an application to the European Commission for permission to extend indefinitely our right to use our customary imperial system. In the Commons debate the Minister for Trade Dr Howells jeered at the Opposition, accusing them of objecting only because they are frightened of losing seats. The government is dead set to criminalise the 93% of people who prefer imperial measures for every day use. The vote in the Commons to annul this most unpopular regulation was deferred till Wednesday 21 March,
[USMA:11797] Re: Hybrid cars
Yes, this is absolutely ludicrous - using two disparate units for power IN THE SAME VEHICLE!!! Perhaps this [hybrid vehicles] is the opportunity to kick those horses out to pasture. Duncan -Original Message- From: M R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 24, 2001 10:39 Subject: [USMA:11793] Hybrid cars For all those who got used to expressing the car's engine power in horsepower, these 2 cars may be a big surprise. Toyota and Honda are selling hybrid cars (gasolene/electric) which can run on both the fuels. The Toyota Prius has 70 horsepower with an additional 25 kw of power from electric batteries while Honda Insight has 67 horsepower with additional 10 kw from batterie. Had the Americans used kilowatts for the power of car, it could have been easier to convince the people about the benefits of such a car. Its high time for the American car companies to switch over to kw, since they are planning to bring their version of hybrid cars by 2003. Madan __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[USMA:11799] the deadly teaspoonful??
YOU READ IT HERE FIRST!!! Print this out and save it for when a relevant story breaks in the press. The most unjustly tolerated "unit" of measurement in this or any other century is the teaspoonful in United States healthcare. Why this "unit" of measurement continues to be coveted by physicians, physician assistants, and nurse practitioners is simply this: it is used out of habit, and no one has yet died of this WOMBAT mal-metrology and had the story covered in the media. If a mishap occurs, and is publicized, I cannot see how the teaspoonful would survive. There is no standard teaspoon, but there is a kind of standard teaspoonful. As a pharmacy student, I was taught to translate the teaspoonful as 5 ml . However, a strict historical look at the teaspoonful suggests that it could also be one fluid dram, which is about 3.7 ml . In any case, the vast majority of oral solutions manufactured for human pharmacologic use have a stated concentration of grams (or milligrams) PER FIVE MILLILITERS of product. So, my hope is that we Americans, who have embraced tamper-resistant packaging, baby car seats, Lo-Jack, The Club, latex condoms, and "close cover before striking", will one day adopt the convention of using a standard medicine cup for taking medicine, that standard cup will be graduated only in milliliters, and that the milliliter will be the only unit of dosage volume to be used with oral-solution and oral-suspension medications. And while we're at it, we MUST get the minim scale off of syringes. If anyone out there uses a syringe to draw up a volume of fluid in minims, please let me know, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've never, ever, ever heard it done. -- Paul Trusten, R.Ph. 3609 Caldera Boulevard, Apt. 122 Midland TX 79707-2872 USA (915)-694-6208 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[USMA:11800] Re: Hybrid cars
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in USMA 11793: For all those who got used to expressing the car's engine power in horsepower, these 2 cars may be a big surprise. Toyota and Honda are selling hybrid cars (gasolene/electric) which can run on both the fuels. The Toyota Prius has 70 horsepower with an additional 25 kw of power from electric batteries while Honda Insight has 67 horsepower with additional 10 kw from batterie. Had the Americans used kilowatts for the power of car, it could have been easier to convince the people about the benefits of such a car. Its high time for the American car companies to switch over to kw, since they are planning to bring their version of hybrid cars by 2003. Madan In Australia the power of all cars is quoted in kilowatts. Joseph B. Reid 17 Glebe Road West TorontoM5P 1C8 Tel. 416 486-6071
[USMA:11801] Re: Hybrid cars
And don't forget Nissan's hybrid car called the Insight. They are being sold in the US already (I've seen two of them in Fairbanks). Jason - Original Message - From: M R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: [USMA:11793] Hybrid cars For all those who got used to expressing the car's engine power in horsepower, these 2 cars may be a big surprise. Toyota and Honda are selling hybrid cars (gasolene/electric) which can run on both the fuels. The Toyota Prius has 70 horsepower with an additional 25 kw of power from electric batteries while Honda Insight has 67 horsepower with additional 10 kw from batterie. Had the Americans used kilowatts for the power of car, it could have been easier to convince the people about the benefits of such a car. Its high time for the American car companies to switch over to kw, since they are planning to bring their version of hybrid cars by 2003. Madan __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[USMA:11803] Re: Hybrid cars
Quite positive.Ive seen tons of them around, and one of my best friend owns one. They are Hondas. To my knowledge, Nissan has no plans to hop on the hybrid bandwagon yet. Remember they were just saved by Renault..and Honda loses money on every Insight they sell. At 14:32 2001-03-24 -0900, James J. Wentworth wrote: Are you sure? I've inspected both of the Insights in town up close (their owners are quite proud of them -- they're cute cars), and both have the Nissan logo. Maybe Nissan OEM'ed an initial batch of Insights for Honda? Jason - Original Message - From: Brian J White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [USMA:11801] Re: Hybrid cars Uhh..that would be Honda's hybrid called the Insight. At 14:15 2001-03-24 -0900, you wrote: And don't forget Nissan's hybrid car called the Insight. They are being sold in the US already (I've seen two of them in Fairbanks). Jason - Original Message - From: M R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: [USMA:11793] Hybrid cars For all those who got used to expressing the car's engine power in horsepower, these 2 cars may be a big surprise. Toyota and Honda are selling hybrid cars (gasolene/electric) which can run on both the fuels. The Toyota Prius has 70 horsepower with an additional 25 kw of power from electric batteries while Honda Insight has 67 horsepower with additional 10 kw from batterie. Had the Americans used kilowatts for the power of car, it could have been easier to convince the people about the benefits of such a car. Its high time for the American car companies to switch over to kw, since they are planning to bring their version of hybrid cars by 2003. Madan __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[USMA:11804] Re: Hybrid cars
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, M R wrote: ... Toyota and Honda are selling hybrid cars (gasolene/electric) which can run on both the fuels... Madan, All the energy for the Honda Insight comes from gasoline. No electrical energy is brought into the Insight from external sources. A three-phase electric motor-generator (MG) is on the same shaft with a one-liter three-cylinder gasoline engine. The MG acts as a motor, drawing energy from a nickel-metal-hybrid battery, to *assist* the engine during acceleration and climbing hills. The MG acts as a generator, feeding energy to the battery, during deceleration by regenerative braking only, and during mechanical braking which includes stronger regenerative braking. Going up the mountains on the Turnpike in western Pennsylvania in June of 2000, I was able to pass cars and trucks with ease in my Insight at speeds ranging from 30 m/s to 35 m/s, with assisted power from the MG. None of the mountains on the PA Turnpike were high enough to entirely deplete the battery charge. I suppose climbing the Rocky or Alpine mountains would be a different story; an Insight would have to depend entirely on the small one-liter engine near the summits. Gene.
[USMA:11805] Re: US One Dollar Coin Use....
Stamp machines have given out dollar coins (SBA's) for nearly ten years now. The history behind that is the following: Previously, all change over a dollar was given out in quarters. So if you had 5 dollars worth of change, you'd get 20 quarters. So Post Offices always had a big demand on quarters. Then in the early 90's, some guy in the federal reserve noticed that there were stacks of Susan B. Anthony coins just sitting there, since neither the public, nor the banks demanded them. So, he figured, why not give them out as change in Post Offices (since that was part of the original idea behind the coin's production). So, dollar coins were distributed. Many public transportation few vending services followed this idea. After a few years, around 1997, the supply of dollar coins was running out, since either people kept them (thinking they were very rare), lost them, or they simply wore out. So, continued production was needed. Then, they figured if they are going to have to make a dollar coin, why not make one to circulate regularly (after all, the US government wanted to do this for decades, but failed (Eisenhower coins were too big SBA's looked like quarters). Since they saw Canada's "Loonie" was sucessful, they copied Canada's idea, make the coin gold colored (only shinier to make it look more attractive [BTW, the Canadian's copied the US's SBA coin for the size of their "$1 coin]). So, basically, golden dollars were made for the machines, and perhaps in the future to replace the one dollar bill. From what I heard, they are printing dollar bills to just replace the worn out bills, but they making dollar coins to meet the demand for new dollar bills. If this is true, then in a few decades dollar coins will outnumber dollar bills, but for practical purposes, this isn't a real plan. I have a feeling that in a couple of years, they will completely phase out one dollar bills once knowledge of the dollar coin is more apparent. =Rick On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:17:33 -0800 "Bill Potts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Baron: The stamp vending machines at ALL Post Offices have given change in dollar coins for several years now. Apparently the USPS was able to get its hands on as many Susan B. Anthony dollars as it wanted. Now they're using the Sacagawea dollars. I'm not sure if anyone has specifically mentioned it yet, in this thread, but Canada had dollar coins (Loonies) and two-dollar bills in circulation together for several years prior to the introduction of the two-dollar coins (Toonies). Bill Potts, CMS San Jose, CA http://metric1.org [SI Navigator] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carter, Baron Sent: March 19, 2001 07:19 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:11743] Re: US One Dollar Coin Use The stamp vending machines at my Post Office in Austin, TX give change in $1 coins. Baron Carter -Original Message- From: Adrian Jadic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 19 March, 2001 09:21 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:11712] Re: US One Dollar Coin Use Agreed the $1 bill has to be discontinued. If the Mint does not does not establish a sunset date for the printing of $1 bill the switch will hardly happen. I was not able to get my hands on $1 coins. I asked at banks, Post offices. Nothing.. A. -Original Message- From: kilopascal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday 18 March 2001 21:05 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:11697] Re: US One Dollar Coin Use 2001-03-18 Wrong! For it to be successful, the 1 $ paper bill must be removed from circulation and no new ones printed. The present 2 $ bill can be used to supplement the coin. A 2 $ coin will be the next logical step after the population adjusts to the 2 $ bill in general circulation. As long as the 1 $ bill continues to circulate, the 1 $ coin will remain in bank vaults and piggy banks. Personally, I go every Saturday to the bank and request both 1 $ coins and 2 $ bills and spend only these. I doubt the stores and restaurants I give them to recirculate them. But, at least many of the shops I go to recognise me from giving out the bills and know I frequent their businesses. As a result, I sometimes get special deals and discounts. It works for me. John Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtümlich glaubt frei zu sein. There are none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free! - Original Message - From: "Brian J White" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "U.S. Metric Association" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 2001-03-18 14:26 Subject: [USMA:11691] US One Dollar Coin Use Anyone see this??? http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/index.cfm?action=press_releaseid= 179formBo
[USMA:11806] Fw: Italy-news March 24-01
2001-03-24 Good news for metric. A sound EU economy at a time when the US economy is in recession, means that the demand for and production of metric products is very favourable. If this condition continues into the next 5 or so years, it puts the EU and other associated countries in a position to dictate to the US to do more to encourage metric usage. John Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtmlich glaubt frei zu sein. There are none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free! Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) - Original Message - From: "Italy-news" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 2001-03-25 00:00 Subject: Italy-news March 24-01 ITALY-NEWS NEWSLETTER 24 MARZO 2001 http://www.italy-news.net ENGLISH http://www.italy-news.net/index_eng.php3 STOCKHOLM: EU ECONOMY IS SOUND WITH 3% GROWTH The economy of the European Union can continue its growth at an average rate of about 3% in the midterm with a balanced macroeconomic policy-mix and the institution of actual reforms. This is the message of confidence included in a preview of the Stockholm's summit final report which the heads of state and government of the EU Fifteen are ready to approve this morning. The documents, which could still be modified, include the possibility of a less favorable international outcome, but underlines that the "EU economic fundamental practices are healthy."
[USMA:11807] Honda Insight
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Dennis Brownridge wrote: Gene, tell us more about this car. What sort of fuel efficiency does it get under realistic conditions? How noisy is it? How much payload can it carry (volume and mass)? How big and heavy are the batteries? What is the cruising range? Dennis, I'll bring in my shop manual (a supplementary purchase) and performance records next week and try to answer your questions. Gene. -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, 2001 March 24 17:10 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:11804] Re: Hybrid cars ... Going up the mountains on the Turnpike in western Pennsylvania in June of 2000, I was able to pass cars and trucks with ease in my Insight at speeds ranging from 30 m/s to 35 m/s, with assisted power from the MG...
[USMA:11809] (no subject)
2001-03-24 Please visit his site and plug metrication. Let them know that the US present policy of apathy is a cause of great concern. Without being metric, our way of life is threathend, as our industries can not compete in a global economy where that economy measures in metric. American products are being shunned world-wide and the US is in a recession. At the same time, the EU is growing. Our arrogance is costing us jobs and our standard of living is threathend. Welcome to The Final Stand 1 www.thefinalstand1.org An Educational Group Devoted to Countering the Terrorist Threat ___ Before leaving office, President Clinton reviewed intelligence analysis and concluded that the chance of a chemical or biological warfare attack on United States territory sometime within the next 10 years to be : 100% __ On Friday May 22, 1998, the White House announced that the U.S. government was ordering the stockpiling of antibiotics and vaccines for civilian protection in the event of biological warfare. __ We are a discussion group focusing on Middle East American policy issues, military affairs, intelligence analysis, bio/chem/nuke warfare and the Terrorist Threat. We oppose the Islamic World Domination Agenda. We acknowledge the Declared War by Islamic Terrorist Groups and Nation States upon the United States and Israel. We educate the public regarding the Terrorist Threat. We acknowledge the successful and unsuccessful Terrorist Attacks made against United States citizens, assets, and territory. We value our friendship with the State of Israel, our strongest ally. We fight the OPEC Agenda to plunge the world into economic depression. We oppose the "Palestinian Authority" Agenda which may ignite World War III through its policy of terror and attack. We value our democratic freedoms and principles and oppose the transition of the United States into an Islamic Theocracy. Join us. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtmlich glaubt frei zu sein. There are none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free! Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
[USMA:11810] Floor covering
Dear All, I have rewritten a story I gathered from this list within the last few weeks. A few months ago, a friend of mine in the USA went to buy some vinyl floor covering. He was shown some imported material that was about 6 ft 6 3/4 in wide (My friend reckoned that they were actually 2 metres wide, but the shop person didn't know that). As my friend needed a little under 2.5 metres he asked for 8 ft 2 1/2 in. When he asked the price, he found that the assistant had to work it out to figure a price in square yards. Now let's see: 8' 2 1/2" x 6' 6 3/4" 9 = ? My friend says the assistant was there, battling with his calculator, for a long time! In the meantime my friend multiplied 2 x 2.5 to get 5 square metres (m2). And to while away the time he converted 5 m2 to 6 sq. yds. using the 10111213 rule. For those who don't know it, the 10111213 reads like this: 10 m = 11 yds. (approx.) 10 m2 = 12 squ. yds. (approx.) 10 m3 = 13 cub.yds. (approx.) Cheers, Pat Naughtin CAMS Geelong, Australia
[USMA:11811] Re: Minute Maid
At 13:14 -0500 01/03/24, Nat Hager III wrote: Gallon, 3-litre retail for comparable price per ounce. Would be even better if they said "Gallon, 3-litre retail for comparable price per liter" Louis
[USMA:11812] Re: Floor covering
2001-03-25 Now what I want to know is what transpired after? After your friend figured out the price quickly, did he explain to the salesman that by using metric measures he was able to get an accurate price quickly without the confusion of using feet/inch to square yard conversions? Did the salesman ever figure it out? Was the sales man impressed, and convinced that metric is by far easier? Or was he one of those dummies that would rather muddle through useless calculations to come up with an answer he is not sure is correct, just because it is the American way? Which brings up another questionHow can the customer be sure he isn't being gypped in this muddle? If the customer can't do the math and relies on the salesman to do it, and the salesman can't do it, and just gives it his best shot, then how does the customer know if he is incorrectly charged for the product? For those of us who are numerate, all we need to do is make sure we know how many square metres we need and how many standard sheets or rolls will meet that requirement. Then we need to know the price per roll or sheet, or if sold by area, the price per square metre. If the price is given per square FFU, then we immediately convert it to a price per square metre, and from there, we calculate our cost. I think if more of show how much easier it is to measure and calculate in metric, we may gain some believers. But somehow I think the masses would rather be confused then convinced and converted. John Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtmlich glaubt frei zu sein. There are none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they re free! Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) - Original Message - From: "Pat Naughtin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "U.S. Metric Association" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2001-03-24 22:37 Subject: [USMA:11810] Floor covering Dear All, I have rewritten a story I gathered from this list within the last few weeks. A few months ago, a friend of mine in the USA went to buy some vinyl floor covering. He was shown some imported material that was about 6 ft 6 3/4 in wide (My friend reckoned that they were actually 2 metres wide, but the shop person didn't know that). As my friend needed a little under 2.5 metres he asked for 8 ft 2 1/2 in. When he asked the price, he found that the assistant had to work it out to figure a price in square yards. Now let's see: 8' 2 1/2" x 6' 6 3/4" 9 = ? My friend says the assistant was there, battling with his calculator, for a long time! In the meantime my friend multiplied 2 x 2.5 to get 5 square metres (m2). And to while away the time he converted 5 m2 to 6 sq. yds. using the 10111213 rule. For those who don't know it, the 10111213 reads like this: 10 m = 11 yds. (approx.) 10 m2 = 12 squ. yds. (approx.) 10 m3 = 13 cub.yds. (approx.) Cheers, Pat Naughtin CAMS Geelong, Australia
