[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones
Not referring to the specific manuscript, but... I don't see any musical inconsistency in marking a LH position in preparation. LH preparation is one of those things so common in guitar that I believe it isn't written down anywhere -- not even in modern methods. Or at least, I've never seen it, only heard it discussed. And you'll see beginners actually do it instinctively. I often play a full chord position when only some notes are indicated. It covers the ground in case of RH mistakes, allows for a strum if the music can stand the added energy, and leaves room for the occasional RH flourish. In the case of the RH technique discussed here, it makes sense to me that the first 4 beats are a flourish preparing for the final harmonic completion in the last two... with everything ringing as much as possible. At least that's how my first attempts would be. __ From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; vl vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 10:07:11 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones On Apr 25, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Monica Hall wrote: You should play 4 down/up/down/up strokes on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd courses and 2 - down/up on the 4th/5th. That's assuming that Corbetta himself has not got in a muddle. Hope that helps. Thanks for semi-clearing this up. Well, at least the down/up part makes sense and that was the way I was doing it. It is often confusing in these old sources as to what is top and high and up and down, for example up the neck Going from top (in pitch) down might take some getting used to, for me, as I've been playing it the other way. It doesn't make musical sense to me either. Since the fingering change happens on what we call the 4th and 5th courses, what would be the point of putting those changes on the first beat of the bar if you were not playing them until the 5th strum? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1][1]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [2][2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [3]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 2. [4]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 3. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 4. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones
You should play 4 down/up/down/up strokes on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd courses and 2 - down/up on the 4th/5th. Thanks for semi-clearing this up. Well, at least the down/up part makes sense and that was the way I was doing it. It is often confusing in these old sources as to what is top and high and up and down, for example up the neck Going from top (in pitch) down might take some getting used to, for me, as I've been playing it the other way. Sorry - I think you may have misunderstood what I am trying to say. First you play the top three strings - down/up/down/up then you play the bottom two srings down/up/down/up not in the reverse order. You do this for the 2 bars where there are six quavers in a bar and the harmony remains the same throughout each bar. When you get to the place where the harmony changes every 4 quavers you just strum up and down all 5 courses. If you look at the example on p.177 of James Tyler's book - the first two bars are incorrect because he misunderstood the Italian. It's the top courses first then the bottom ones. The next long bar is correct. Hope that helps. Monica Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones
On Apr 29, 2011, at 9:19 PM, Monica Hall wrote: You should play 4 down/up/down/up strokes on the 1st, 2nd and 3rd courses and 2 - down/up on the 4th/5th. Thanks for semi-clearing this up. Well, at least the down/up part makes sense and that was the way I was doing it. It is often confusing in these old sources as to what is top and high and up and down, for example up the neck Going from top (in pitch) down might take some getting used to, for me, as I've been playing it the other way. Sorry - I think you may have misunderstood what I am trying to say. First you play the top three strings - down/up/down/up then you play the bottom two srings down/up/down/up not in the reverse order. No, that is how I understood you, if by top three strings you mean the E, B and G strings/courses. If you look at the example on p.177 of James Tyler's book - the first two bars are incorrect because he misunderstood the Italian. It's the top courses first then the bottom ones. The next long bar is correct. Which book is that? My copy of _The Early Guitar A History and Handbook_ has only 176 pages. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Strumming techniques - was With/Without Bordones
If you look at the example on p.177 of James Tyler's book - the first two bars are incorrect because he misunderstood the Italian. It's the top courses first then the bottom ones. The next long bar is correct. Which book is that? My copy of _The Early Guitar A History and Handbook_ has only 176 pages. This is his newer book The guitar and its music from the renaissance to the classical era co-authored with Paul Sparks. It was published by O.U.P. in 2002. Monica -- References 1. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
