[VIHUELA] Bach Chaconne
Just by the way, don't want to revive the controversy - but in one of his recent messages Lex said... The fact that the music transcends the scope of re-entrant tuning doesn't say that that tuning is inferior. We just should accept that it is not capable of rendering everything in music. Not Bach's Chaconne, for example... Well - it is Dominic Robillard has arranged it for what he calls the Roman tuning and can be heard playing it on You Tube www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue or just put in Bach Chaconne baroque guitar. It works very well - sounds much better than it does on the classical guitar (or even the lute for that matter). The violin is very limited in what it can do and the point about the piece is that it takes the instrument to the limits of what it can do. The baroque guitar with a re-entrant tuning is much closer to the violin in the way that it is tuned than the classical guitar and has a more abrasive timbre which is similar to the violin...Less is more. Yours truly Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Bach Chaconne
Sorry about that - didn't copy right... Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Waling Tiersma To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Lex Eisenhardt ; [4]Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Bach Chaconne Hi Monica, Some characters were missing from the YouTube URL. This was the one I presume: [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueSE1N_Qwks Waling 2011/10/19 Monica Hall [6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Just by the way, don't want to revive the controversy - but in one of his recent messages Lex said... The fact that the music transcends the scope of re-entrant tuning doesn't say that that tuning is inferior. We just should accept that it is not capable of rendering everything in music. Not Bach's Chaconne, for example... Well - it is Dominic Robillard has arranged it for what he calls the Roman tuning and can be heard playing it on You Tube [7]www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue or just put in Bach Chaconne baroque guitar. It works very well - sounds much better than it does on the classical guitar (or even the lute for that matter). The violin is very limited in what it can do and the point about the piece is that it takes the instrument to the limits of what it can do. The baroque guitar with a re-entrant tuning is much closer to the violin in the way that it is tuned than the classical guitar and has a more abrasive timbre which is similar to the violin...Less is more. Yours truly Monica To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:waling.tier...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:eisenha...@planet.nl 4. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueSE1N_Qwks 6. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Bach Chaconne
Yes! the recording is a bit rough and You Tube doesn't always do the music full justice. M - Original Message - From: [1]Chris Despopoulos To: [2]Monica Hall Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Bach Chaconne I'll second your opinion. I've listened to this arrangement a number of times, and it's fully convincing to me. In fact, I spent so much energy listening to the music that I never bothered to notice whether his tuning is re-entrant or not. I only wish he would record it in a really nice room. cud __ From: Monica Hall [3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Waling Tiersma waling.tier...@gmail.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Bach Chaconne Sorry about that - didn't copy right... Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Waling Tiersma To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Lex Eisenhardt ; [4]Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Bach Chaconne Hi Monica, Some characters were missing from the YouTube URL. This was the one I presume: [5][4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueSE1N_Qwks Waling 2011/10/19 Monica Hall [6][5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Just by the way, don't want to revive the controversy - but in one of his recent messages Lex said... The fact that the music transcends the scope of re-entrant tuning doesn't say that that tuning is inferior. We just should accept that it is not capable of rendering everything in music. Not Bach's Chaconne, for example... Well - it is Dominic Robillard has arranged it for what he calls the Roman tuning and can be heard playing it on You Tube [7]www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue or just put in Bach Chaconne baroque guitar. It works very well - sounds much better than it does on the classical guitar (or even the lute for that matter). The violin is very limited in what it can do and the point about the piece is that it takes the instrument to the limits of what it can do. The baroque guitar with a re-entrant tuning is much closer to the violin in the way that it is tuned than the classical guitar and has a more abrasive timbre which is similar to the violin...Less is more. Yours truly Monica To get on or off this list see list information at [8][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[7]waling.tier...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[8]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:[9]eisenha...@planet.nl 4. mailto:[10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueSE1N_Qwks 6. mailto:[11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueSE1N_Qwks 5. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. mailto:waling.tier...@gmail.com 8. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 9. mailto:eisenha...@planet.nl 10. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 11. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
[VIHUELA] Re: Bach Chaconne
I think he means a fully re-entrant tuning although I thought I detected a high octave string on the third course in one place. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Martyn Hodgson To: [2]Monica Hall Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Bach Chaconne What do you think he means by 'Roman' tuning? MH --- On Wed, 19/10/11, Monica Hall [3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Bach Chaconne To: Lex Eisenhardt [5]eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist [6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 19 October, 2011, 15:57 Just by the way, don't want to revive the controversy - but in one of his recent messages Lex said... The fact that the music transcends the scope of re-entrant tuning doesn't say that that tuning is inferior. We just should accept that it is not capable of rendering everything in music. Not Bach's Chaconne, for example... Well - it is Dominic Robillard has arranged it for what he calls the Roman tuning and can be heard playing it on You Tube www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue or just put in Bach Chaconne baroque guitar. It works very well - sounds much better than it does on the classical guitar (or even the lute for that matter). The violin is very limited in what it can do and the point about the piece is that it takes the instrument to the limits of what it can do. The baroque guitar with a re-entrant tuning is much closer to the violin in the way that it is tuned than the classical guitar and has a more abrasive timbre which is similar to the violin...Less is more. Yours truly Monica To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:eisenha...@planet.nl 6. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Bach Chaconne
Yes, he has an octave on the third course. He told me so. What a performance! Dominic is amazing. Too bad YouTube limits it to 11 minutes. On Oct 20, 2011, at 3:11 AM, Monica Hall wrote: I think he means a fully re-entrant tuning although I thought I detected a high octave string on the third course in one place. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
