[VIHUELA] Re: Christ's Cross
Dear Stewart, You know we say kris-kras. The origin of that is only to be understood as a translation of the English expression. In the Dutch language there is not much etymological sense to be found for it. Interesting, to start the alfabet with such a symbol. Was that in languages with (a certain measure of) Roman influence only? Or has there been such a tradition as well in Germanic or Slavic or other languages? About count Pepoli, it is quite shocking to see Foscarini (p. 22) cry out things like GONE, OLGA, DOEI (we say for bye!). Looks like a Gilles de la Tourette in music notation Lex Dear Lex and Odoardo, When 16th-century children learned their alphabet, they began with Christ's Cross, and then continued with A, B, C, etc. Although it's not really a letter, the chap who invented guitar alfabeto considered it to be one. By the way, Christ's Cross is the origin of the English expression criss-cross. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Christ's Cross
The cross symbol in Brizeno's notation (Castilian cifras in modern day jargon) represents the D major chord. The fingering of this is sort of cross shaped and the chord was known in Spain as cruzado. The term is even in the Diccionaro de autoridades. Other chords have names which in some way reflect the way they are played. The earliest table of alfabeto chords which I have a copy of - dated 1599 - starts with A and doesn't include the cross. I believe it may have been represented by another letter, but this table has several letters not filled out. Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuela List vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Christ's Cross Dear Stewart, You know we say kris-kras. The origin of that is only to be understood as a translation of the English expression. In the Dutch language there is not much etymological sense to be found for it. Interesting, to start the alfabet with such a symbol. Was that in languages with (a certain measure of) Roman influence only? Or has there been such a tradition as well in Germanic or Slavic or other languages? About count Pepoli, it is quite shocking to see Foscarini (p. 22) cry out things like GONE, OLGA, DOEI (we say for bye!). Looks like a Gilles de la Tourette in music notation Lex Dear Lex and Odoardo, When 16th-century children learned their alphabet, they began with Christ's Cross, and then continued with A, B, C, etc. Although it's not really a letter, the chap who invented guitar alfabeto considered it to be one. By the way, Christ's Cross is the origin of the English expression criss-cross. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Christ's Cross
Well - for sure Montesardo never invented alfabeto. I have copies of two manuscript dated 1599 which use it. Monica - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuela List vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Christ's Cross Dear Lex and Odoardo, When 16th-century children learned their alphabet, they began with Christ's Cross, and then continued with A, B, C, etc. Although it's not really a letter, the chap who invented guitar alfabeto considered it to be one. By the way, Christ's Cross is the origin of the English expression criss-cross. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuela Net vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Ten Aleuhiv Raed I have been wondering why the guitar alfabeto starts with 'the Cross', the + chord of E minor. And if it is coincidential that the two G chords are AO (alfa and omega). I saw that the symbol + was also used by Briceno, but that is no explanation in itself. Could be a subject for a new Dan Brown story, something like the Montesardo Conspiracy Best wishes, Odoardo Pepoli To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
