[Vo]:Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission
Hi A professor on a seminar yesterday said plate tectonics have a role in CO2 emission. Anyone here knows more? David -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
[Vo]:The LHC
Vo, This LHC white elephant is being strongly hyped in the UK. Keynesians and Free-marketers go hang! How about commonsense? If this is the face of state subsidised science Heck help us, mind you toadying to the Dragon's Den doesn't look good either... Here are some comments I saw on a discussion site (I like #4 most): #1 It is a question of priorities. We could turn over 50% of World GDP to landing and setting up bases on Mars and the moon. The common man whose work is taken by force through tax by the state already knows that the universe 'works' he lives in it every day! No, these physicists (or one particular kind) are SELF INDULGENT. All it is is about tallying up how they think with their symbols. No useful engineering really comes about below distance scales of an angstrom (10^-10metres) it's a waste. #2 I'm also sick of hearing how clever these people are. They are highly trained and specialised. Most of the people at CERN are journeymen with the mentality of jumping on the bandwagon. There are people working at the hinterlands who will break mainstream doing stuff which is seemingly 'just engineering' but *is* fundamental physics. For example quantum entanglement experiments are just 'bench top', or even alternative energy and long held cherished notions about what can be done with 'energy'. #3 Don't talk about spins off of research, teflon pans, microchips and the like. They would come as spin offs from other well funded project(S) too WWW could have come from cancer research. No, tinkering with the sub-atomic would be useful if we could: use the weak/strong forces to render radioactive materials inert or alter inertia. There just isn't much direct engineering that can come from partphys. I think there is too much SF and Star Trek attached to these glamourboys. Ahead Warp Factor Zero! #4 Since the outcome will be highly arcane and only understandable to the few initiated (since no engineering applications below about 10^-10metres, engineering makes theories real) we will be told that the Universe is made from quarks and strings held together by glue-on and this will be based on highly repeatable experiments (one event in trillions of other collisions). So its all becoming a just-so-story. One branch of philosophy/poetry against another. Wanna swap creation myths anyone?
[Vo]:Re: Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission
Makes sense, since plate tectonics obviously have a role in volcanic activity, which has a role in CO2 emission (cf the nice postings by Stephen and Taylor in the Thawing... thread explaining how the planet may have recovered from snowball Earth conditions thanks to volcanic CO2 emission and subsequent greenhouse effect) Michel - Original Message - From: David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: [Vo]:Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission Hi A professor on a seminar yesterday said plate tectonics have a role in CO2 emission. Anyone here knows more? David -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
Re: [Vo]:Re: Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission
Positive or negative? Seems like more tectonic movement causes more CO2? On the other hand biomass might get covered when a plate goes below another. I suppose this is a necessity for oil production? Here is a link http://dilu.bol.ucla.edu/ . The relations seems complex. The PDF of the lecture yesterday is 55 MB and we haven't yet a way to transfer the file. This was mentioned in relation to astrobiology and tectonic plates and motion only occurs under narrow conditions for a planet. David On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Makes sense, since plate tectonics obviously have a role in volcanic activity, which has a role in CO2 emission (cf the nice postings by Stephen and Taylor in the Thawing... thread explaining how the planet may have recovered from snowball Earth conditions thanks to volcanic CO2 emission and subsequent greenhouse effect) Michel - Original Message - From: David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: [Vo]:Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission Hi A professor on a seminar yesterday said plate tectonics have a role in CO2 emission. Anyone here knows more? David -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
[Vo]:Perosin
Not just for blondes anymore ... http://techrepublic-cnet.com.com/military-tech/?keyword=Perosin
[Vo]:the LHC
#4 Since the outcome will be highly arcane and only understandable to the few initiated (since no engineering applications below about 10^-10metres, engineering makes theories real) we will be told that the Universe is made from quarks and strings held together by glue-on and this will be based on highly repeatable experiments (one event in trillions of other collisions). So its all becoming a just-so-story. One branch of philosophy/poetry against another. Wanna swap creation myths anyone?? snip And let someone like me say that he has discovered a usefull low energy condition, like the path of the quantum transition, and the science police stomp on it until it is dead. ref comments below http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter0.html Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Perosin
Or: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack Note that Jetpack International's H2O2 packs are not for sale. Terry On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just for blondes anymore ... http://techrepublic-cnet.com.com/military-tech/?keyword=Perosin
Re: [Vo]:Perosin
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just for blondes anymore ... Oh, neither is lipstick. g,d,r
[Vo]:Re: Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission
Indeed I would think more tectonic activity more volcanic activity more CO2, I don't see why the biomass which gets covered would counter that, on the contrary it seems to replenish the magma's carbon content, enabling CO2 emission by future volcanoes erupting downstream as shown on the nice page you pointed us to. Michel - Original Message - From: David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission Positive or negative? Seems like more tectonic movement causes more CO2? On the other hand biomass might get covered when a plate goes below another. I suppose this is a necessity for oil production? Here is a link http://dilu.bol.ucla.edu/ . The relations seems complex. The PDF of the lecture yesterday is 55 MB and we haven't yet a way to transfer the file. This was mentioned in relation to astrobiology and tectonic plates and motion only occurs under narrow conditions for a planet. David On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Makes sense, since plate tectonics obviously have a role in volcanic activity, which has a role in CO2 emission (cf the nice postings by Stephen and Taylor in the Thawing... thread explaining how the planet may have recovered from snowball Earth conditions thanks to volcanic CO2 emission and subsequent greenhouse effect) Michel - Original Message - From: David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: [Vo]:Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission Hi A professor on a seminar yesterday said plate tectonics have a role in CO2 emission. Anyone here knows more? David -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
RE: [Vo]:the LHC
Frank, I wish you well. Creativity not brute force is the way to solve problems. This current generation are no match for the people who founded QM, did the Manhattan Project, the Moonshots. They seem to be wannabe/acolyte/bandwagoners joining the big sexy projects - genius by association. Someone said to me that in any organisation probably 1% is any good, the rest are along for the ride... The blue-skies argument goes these guys are clever just give 'em resources and they will come up with something. This area of physics has been linked to the profound and fundamental such things as did a big bang occur, the nature of time, do other dimensions exist, the nature of mass. Buy into the dream. There are many 'emergent' phenomena on a large scale that are just as profound without the recourse to the very small and high energy. Does it always follow that consciousness or the arrow of time falls in the domain of HE physics? Why shouldn't engineers using 'old stuff' solve the energy crisis, do reactionless propulsion, go faster than light. Their gift is the creativity to look at problems from a different perspective than the over schooled theoreticians cramped by over tutelage. In a different area but with a similar big spending ability, we had the head of IFER (or is it ITER?) come over to QMUL once begging for engineers and mat. Sci. to solve his problems. We quietly sat as this guy went through his slides and the unspoken thought among us was this is so impractical (hot fusion) why do you get so much funding? I think the main discovery will be The Law of Diminishing Returns in Big Physics Projects followed up by Over mining a vein leads to a paradigm shift. It will happen, it is happening - profound physics done on a shoe-string on a bench top. One only needs to look at the comparatively mainstream stuff in Quantum Entanglement. Regs, Remi. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 September 2008 17:55 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:the LHC #4 Since the outcome will be highly arcane and only understandable to the few initiated (since no engineering applications below about 10^-10metres, engineering makes theories real) we will be told that the Universe is made from quarks and strings held together by glue-on and this will be based on highly repeatable experiments (one event in trillions of other collisions). So its all becoming a just-so-story. One branch of philosophy/poetry against another. Wanna swap creation myths anyone? snip And let someone like me say that he has discovered a usefull low energy condition, like the path of the quantum transition, and the science police stomp on it until it is dead. ref comments below http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter0.html Frank Znidarsic Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate guide to fall TV.
Re: [Vo]:Re: Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission
I wouldnt think the carbon content needs replenishment, more the oxygen content. In addition, it would help free pockets of gas into the atmosphere. I dont think hiding biomass would be big, as any biomass it submerges was already taken out of the system in terms of peat and loam. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed I would think more tectonic activity more volcanic activity more CO2, I don't see why the biomass which gets covered would counter that, on the contrary it seems to replenish the magma's carbon content, enabling CO2 emission by future volcanoes erupting downstream as shown on the nice page you pointed us to. Michel - Original Message - From: David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission Positive or negative? Seems like more tectonic movement causes more CO2? On the other hand biomass might get covered when a plate goes below another. I suppose this is a necessity for oil production? Here is a link http://dilu.bol.ucla.edu/ . The relations seems complex. The PDF of the lecture yesterday is 55 MB and we haven't yet a way to transfer the file. This was mentioned in relation to astrobiology and tectonic plates and motion only occurs under narrow conditions for a planet. David On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Makes sense, since plate tectonics obviously have a role in volcanic activity, which has a role in CO2 emission (cf the nice postings by Stephen and Taylor in the Thawing... thread explaining how the planet may have recovered from snowball Earth conditions thanks to volcanic CO2 emission and subsequent greenhouse effect) Michel - Original Message - From: David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: [Vo]:Plate tectonics cause CO2 emission Hi A professor on a seminar yesterday said plate tectonics have a role in CO2 emission. Anyone here knows more? David -- David Jonsson Sweden phone callto:+46703000370
Re: [Vo]:Perosin
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:34:52 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Not just for blondes anymore ... http://techrepublic-cnet.com.com/military-tech/?keyword=Perosin A search on Perosin yielded http://www.chemdrug.com/MSDSInfo.asp?ID=4311. Food for conspiracy fans? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
