[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect
Jeff Fink posted and Jones Beene replied BTW - although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given all the demographics, it is turning out not to be anywhere near the brilliant strategy that it first seemed. He shoulda gone with Condi. The liberal media destroyed Condi way in advance to make sure she could never become a VP. IMHO, Condi destroyed herself by promoting the Two State solution. OTOH, she was just following orders. Obama is run by the Chicago political machine. There may be a few turf battles if Obama wins, Senator Obama is an empty suit. He does well when reading from a teleprompter, but listen to him speak extemporaneously some time, he shudders like Elmer Fudd. He has a Progressive (march towards feudalism) world view. IMHO, Progressive is a form of insanity. As an constitutional Originalist however, I'm way more concerned about his appointments to the Supreme Court. Hugh Hewitt has a regular feature on his show, The Smart Guys. It features three Constitutional Law professors. Erwin Chemarinski, Dean of (senior moment) Law School, he regularly argues cases for (the accursed) ACLU. He makes my blood boil, If I ever die of a burst aneurysm, it will be while listening to his arguments. He would be just the sort of legal scholar that President (G-d help us) Obama would appoint to the Supreme Court. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Palin probably reduced the Bradley effect
Jed Rothwell posted; I think Palin is a lot smarter than she comes across as. She and some other modern politicians have developed the art of looking like aw-shucks, awkward, common folk. Good point. OTOH, that's how you get elected. The characterization of her as trailer trash really burns me. Sarah would fit right into our Congregation, I hope to get the chance to tell her so. You wouldn't think to look at them that the Bush family are members of America's old-money, Ivy League WASP elite -- but they are. The Bush family is descended from the Puritan founders of America, as are Sarah Palin and I. The opposite side of the coin to a G-d fearing Puritan is the most G-d awful wolves, who have engineered the world which has happened over the past century. It is funny to me that people like Jeff Fink, who despite Ivy League elites, are so fond of the Bush and McCain types. Who do you think they are? Salt of the earth proletariat? Supporting the good with the bad is an integral part of a two party system. On the one hand it has given us stability, on the other hand the Wolves in human form have used it as a vehicle to advance their agenda. OTOH, George Soros is just as much of a wolf, and just as big a believer in the Progressive Agenda. Believe me, you don't get any more blue-blood than these people. By an act of skillful legerdemain, the GOP has spent the last generation passing off such people as down-home common folk. The Republican party is composed of three blocks, the economic imperialists, the militarists, and people of faith. I believe that Sarah Heath Palin is of the latter block. I liked the GOP better in the old days when they were honest snobs The conservative wing of the GOP is a minority. The mainstream of the party, which nominated John McCain, is today's embodiment of the ideals espoused by the John Kennedy Democrats. and they thought people should respect them /because/ they were old money movers and shakers, The aforementioned imperialist power block of the GOP are the descendants of the investment banker Herbert Walker, then (1912) president of Brown Brothers, now Brown Brothers Harriman. He bankrolled Leon Trotsky's second Russian revolution. His daughter Dorthy married Prescott Bush, they named their first born son George Herbert Walker Bush. It's known as playing both sides against the middle. I prefer the proper name, Hegelian Dielectric. Their behavior makes perfect sense when viewed through the lens of Progressive instituting of a new feudalism. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
They're baaack part II. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7634641.stm Yes, yes, yes the megaphone of public office. Most of what they say is true. But guys, that's some fine silk you're wearing and you don't really need a cathedral to preach from as Christ did it in the open air. The land capital of the Anglicans is legendary. Oh and I don't care if two (three, four, whatever) guys, sheep, cat and dogs get married in the privacy of their own homes. Oh and tell you RC friends to stop fiddling with little boys too. Looks like the good ol' feudal day of church and state are back this time they've got G.d, the poor, the environment and maybe a little bit of veggie fascism thrown in and male bashing too. I'm just waiting for these guys to do some miracles, ol' Semtex Sentamu to turn that staff into a lightsabre and deflect laser beams and then 'yoda' Williams to use the force and levitate things. My advice - don't buy it. Let the market correct itself and then some light obvious regulation: No more interest only mortgages More deposits up front with mortgages More transparency (short selling would work then - move money from over inflated businesses to more deserving, wealth redistribution) Separate high street banks from investment and insurance Crisis what bloody crisis? The public is the tit being milked right or is that the golden goose?
[Vo]:The Enlightenment
Vo, I'll get to what I have say after this agreement with Ed and Jed (Ed and Jed, huh, got a nice ring to it):- Only 20% are defaulting on their mortgages. Now applying real-politik, regardless of what one may think about subsiding bums, brothers and latinos (as you may see them) the GOP would have more profitably subsidised this group with an interest holiday and part payment of capital for a period of say 4 years by loan and secured that end of the vote spectrum. It's got to be cheaper than bailing out the whole bank sector. To me it's a no brainer. Now what I wish to say is this: The Enlightenment came in the late 1600s and is responsible for 300 years of sudden innovation in the sciences, economics, arts, social sciences and law. (Much pre-enlightenment thought came from the Greek, Roman and British society from 800-1600AD (the most powerful nation in the world has English common law)). The main barrier to the common man seeking life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness was feudal or church or superstition. The aristocrats or shrieking church always would carry on about their divine right, or that the sky was falling in and you wouldn't get to heaven unless you went through the auspices of one of God's chosen. The benighted superstitious went from one crisis to the next (black death, plague, wars) beaten down by fear and self-loathing. Logical thought and its expression in the real world science taught us: That facts mattered over faith, you find out by experience and thought not by mediation or God That humans are the same, differences being expressed in DNA That there was nothing special about the Earth and the laws of the universe ran here, there and everywhere. God was not 'ours' nor did he/it care. That you survive by thought That technology, short of overwhelming sudden catastrophe, would overcome any difficulty. We are an adaptive clever species. This sidelined the old feudalists. Advanced well educated people's of European decent (and others too now) are able to see this. They approach their problems in a rational adult way and realise that the solution comes by logical thought and then carrying out those actions. Modern universal suffrage has brought the uneducated, hysterical and superstitious into the voting demographic much to the delight of the old feudalists. Every opportunity the feudalists have, global warming, war, famine, market melt-down is an opportunity to appeal to the voting base's lack of reason and seize more power. I stress as men (and women) of science that we should, for the sake of freedom, be telling them that life is full of trials but brain power overcomes. We adapt. Were it not for the Enlightenment you would be in slavery leading short, miserable lives. Don't trust the feudalists left or right who play to your fears and realise how far we've come by seizing control of our condition and mastering the environment for the good of our lot. This credit crunch and global warming are prime examples. We just need to adapt and change the rules. Crisis, what crisis?
RE: [Vo]:The Enlightenment
The 20% scheme would work as a gov. loan. They won't meet the repayments and will start to falter gradually beyond the next election, the housing market will be propped up (if anything rising again) so that the owners will sell down and the government will get their money back. Giving them 6 months to a year to think things over on a trade down from their beloved house, gives them time to get over it. It won't be seen a soft touch socialist measure if it is made clear that it is a special one off. Along with the regulation changes chaos is staved off. All over by mid-term next administration. Remember the Saving and Loans crisis or the Asian Contagion ten years ago? It's not the end of the world, just a correction. The government in a civilized society upholds decent behaviour between us so we can trade freely as possible. They screwed up on their watch, it is the least they can do to compensate in the most cost effective manner. It won't be seen as bailing out the reckless but a short term contract and a drink at the last chance saloon for the reckless. Meanwhile the CEO of gov. and advisors go and if there is clear evidence of reckless intent in gov. and/or banks, prosecute them for bringing the financial system into peril. Somebody's got to walk the plank - even people lying about their means when getting a mortgage. The compensation is much the same as the criminal injuries payout system. You walk down the street and if you get assaulted you get a payout from the government for failing to protect you (especially if it some known nut who escaped from Broadmoor) the assailant is banged up and made to pay you compensation too. Free market reforms have had a wonderful effect in Britain since the 1980s. It is a vibrant cosmopolitan place and still could get *a lot* better. Many own their homes, have cars, much foreign travel (it broadens the mind) and many people visit. This has happened or is happening in other European countries, Russia, China and parts of the third world. Globalisation of capital has been a good thing. I'm just old enough to remember my mother having to wait 9 months to get some massive, crappy, Bakelite second phone (only an extension) from the Post Office or the crappy British Leyland cars. The old guard and new feudalists want to return us to, dare I say it, state housing (one size fits all), cars as luxury items (global warming), no foreign travel (global warming), composting allotment owning vegans (methane, global warming), lights out at nine pm (global warming), isolationist, free thought limited, little surfs living short miserable lives. The system is a bit broke. Well we fix it. It's not the end of the world. Be rational.
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
From Remi Cornwall: They're baaack part II. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7634641.stm Yes, yes, yes the megaphone of public office. Most of what they say is true. But guys, that's some fine silk you're wearing and you don't really need a cathedral to preach from as Christ did it in the open air. The land capital of the Anglicans is legendary. Oh and I don't care if two (three, four, whatever) guys, sheep, cat and dogs get married in the privacy of their own homes. Oh and tell you RC friends to stop fiddling with little boys too. Looks like the good ol' feudal day of church and state are back this time they've got G.d, the poor, the environment and maybe a little bit of veggie fascism thrown in and male bashing too. I'm just waiting for these guys to do some miracles, ol' Semtex Sentamu to turn that staff into a lightsabre and deflect laser beams and then 'yoda' Williams to use the force and levitate things. My advice - don't buy it. Let the market correct itself and then some light obvious regulation: No more interest only mortgages More deposits up front with mortgages More transparency (short selling would work then - move money from over inflated businesses to more deserving, wealth redistribution) Separate high street banks from investment and insurance Crisis what bloody crisis? The public is the tit being milked right or is that the golden goose? I see you're back. Why am I not surprised. According to a recent proclamation you stated: * SUBJECT: RE: [Vo]:Here comes $500 oi SENT: Tue 9/23/2008 5:42 AM Tsck! Vegan f.ing cats. What about in a zoo? Vegan f.ing lions and tigers!? Non-competitive sport, decaffeinated coffee, alcohol free beer, non-penetrative sex (so the woman doesn't feel stabbed in the feminist sense), new men, 'obscene wealth' and on and on. I can't be bothered to argue with these lefty nutcases anymore. I love the American notion of the right to bear arms and form militias to depose a despotic regime. Lefties must learn that you can't force people; the victims will hide wealth and talent and then disappear. I won't be forced to take part in these nutball schemes. I guess that's why there is such a large expat community from Britain and Europe in general. Sickened and out of here. Not like vortex of the old days. No calibre of thinkers only 2 other righties and 2 right-of-centre people worth noticing on this list. 'unsubscribe' * You appear to have stated there are few thinkers of any caliber worth having a discussion with on Vortex. You then state you're out of here, and end the threat with an unsuccessful attempt at unsubscribing yourself. But of course here you are again, back with more Cornwall philosophy. What need does Vortex supply you with that appears to force you continue to subjecting yourself to its low standards? Have we become an addiction? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit
I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts! See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
Talking of calibre, done anything worth recognising? Hold any positions in academia or industry? Walked the talk? What good works do you do? I'm not being confrontational, I'm just asking, right? Don't take it personally. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 15:09 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... You appear to have stated there are few thinkers of any caliber worth having a discussion with on Vortex. You then state you're out of here, and end the threat with an unsuccessful attempt at unsubscribing yourself. But of course here you are again, back with more Cornwall philosophy. What need does Vortex supply you with that appears to force you continue to subjecting yourself to its low standards? Have we become an addiction? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space By Clara Moskowitz Staff Writer posted: 23 September 2008 12:46 pm ET As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered. Patches of matter in the universe seem to be moving at very high speeds and in a uniform direction that can't be explained by any of the known gravitational forces in the observable universe. Astronomers are calling the phenomenon dark flow. The stuff that's pulling this matter must be outside the observable universe, researchers conclude. When scientists talk about the observable universe, they don't just mean as far out as the eye, or even the most powerful telescope, can see. In fact there's a fundamental limit to how much of the universe we could ever observe, no matter how advanced our visual instruments. The universe is thought to have formed about 13.7 billion years ago. So even if light started travelling toward us immediately after the Big Bang, the farthest it could ever get is 13.7 billion light-years in distance. There may be parts of the universe that are farther away (we can't know how big the whole universe is), but we can't see farther than light could travel over the entire age of the universe. Mysterious motions Scientists discovered the flow by studying some of the largest structures in the cosmos: giant clusters of galaxies. These clusters are conglomerations of about a thousand galaxies, as well as very hot gas which emits X-rays. By observing the interaction of the X-rays with the cosmic microwave background (CMB), which is leftover radiation from the Big Bang, scientists can study the movement of clusters. The X-rays scatter photons in the CMB, shifting its temperature in an effect known as the kinematic Sunyaev-Zel'dovich (SZ) effect. This effect had not been observed as a result of galaxy clusters before, but a team of researchers led by Alexander Kashlinsky, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., found it when they studied a huge catalogue of 700 clusters, reaching out up to 6 billion light-years, or half the universe away. They compared this catalogue to the map of the CMB taken by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite. They discovered that the clusters were moving nearly 2 million mph (3.2 million kph) toward a region in the sky between the constellations of Centaurus and Vela. This motion is different from the outward expansion of the universe (which is accelerated by the force called dark energy). We found a very significant velocity, and furthermore, this velocity does not decrease with distance, as far as we can measure, Kashlinsky told SPACE.com. The matter in the observable universe just cannot produce the flow we measure. Inflationary bubble The scientists deduced that whatever is driving the movements of the clusters must lie beyond the known universe. A theory called inflation posits that the universe we see is just a small bubble of space-time that got rapidly expanded after the Big Bang. There could be other parts of the cosmos beyond this bubble that we cannot see. In these regions, space-time might be very different, and likely doesn't contain stars and galaxies (which only formed because of the particular density pattern of mass in our bubble). It could include giant, massive structures much larger than anything in our own observable universe. These structures are what researchers suspect are tugging on the galaxy clusters, causing the dark flow. The structures responsible for this motion have been pushed so far away by inflation, I would guesstimate they may be hundreds of billions of light years away, that we cannot see even with the deepest telescopes because the light emitted there could not have reached us in the age of the universe, Kashlinsky said in a telephone interview. Most likely to create such a coherent flow they would have to be some very strange structures, maybe some warped space time. But this is just pure speculation. Surprising find Though inflation theory forecasts many odd facets of the distant universe, not many scientists predicted the dark flow. It was greatly surprising to us and I suspect to everyone else, Kashlinsky said. For some particular models of inflation you would expect these kinds of structures, and there were some suggestions in the literature that were not taken seriously I think until now. The discovery could help scientists probe what happened to the universe before inflation, and what's going on in those inaccessible realms we cannot see. The researchers detail their findings in the Oct. 20 issue of the journal Astrophysical Journal Letters.
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
For those who have not been following the news and do not have a fixed opinion about the financial problems, let me add a bit of reality. The collapse of the mortgage market was the event that started the collapse but it was not the true cause. The big problem is the derivative market. These are bets between companies about which way various factors such as interest rates or the value of a security will change. For example, I might buy a basket of mortgages and at the same time buy a derivative such that I would be paid a fixed sum if the value of the mortgages dropped below a certain value. Options in the securities world are similar but are more closely regulated. The problem is that the number of these derivatives has increased to a huge amount, as high as 50 trillion depending to who makes the calculation. Because they do not have to be reported, it is impossible to know just how much money is at risk. When the value of mortgages went down, some companies were required to make good on bets that required payment if the value of mortgages would go down. Because of the size of the bet made by some companies, they can't pay and will go into bankruptcy. As a result, the company counting on this payment also can't pay its debts. As a result, a problem has spread throughout the system. The solution requires mortgages be priced higher and money be supplied to allow these bets to be paid without the company having to fold its tent. This is not a simple process and it will invite certain people to gain an advantage. The only issue is how much advantage will be allowed while actually solving the problem. The same people who made the mess are trying to gain all they can while the conservative Republicans and the Democrats are trying to limit the advantage. Of course, McCain is trying to undo the damage his past votes caused while looking like a reformer. Obama is trying to design the bailout so that the pain is more evenly shared. Congress is making its usual attempt to take the easiest path. The outcome will determine the future of many people including some who supported the policies that made the mess. For people who do not understand what is happening to make ignorant suggestions or to think nothing be done is extremely irresponsible. This is like telling people on a sinking ship not to get into a lifeboat because they think the ship can float will being filled with water. Too late, their ignorance is proven wrong. Fortunately, most people have been sense. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:56 AM, Remi Cornwall wrote: They're baaack part II. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7634641.stm Yes, yes, yes the megaphone of public office. Most of what they say is true. But guys, that's some fine silk you're wearing and you don't really need a cathedral to preach from as Christ did it in the open air. The land capital of the Anglicans is legendary. Oh and I don't care if two (three, four, whatever) guys, sheep, cat and dogs get married in the privacy of their own homes. Oh and tell you RC friends to stop fiddling with little boys too. Looks like the good ol' feudal day of church and state are back this time they've got G.d, the poor, the environment and maybe a little bit of veggie fascism thrown in and male bashing too. I'm just waiting for these guys to do some miracles, ol' Semtex Sentamu to turn that staff into a lightsabre and deflect laser beams and then 'yoda' Williams to use the force and levitate things. My advice - don't buy it. Let the market correct itself and then some light obvious regulation: No more interest only mortgages More deposits up front with mortgages More transparency (short selling would work then - move money from over inflated businesses to more deserving, wealth redistribution) Separate high street banks from investment and insurance Crisis what bloody crisis? The public is the tit being milked right or is that the golden goose?
Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit
OrionWorks wrote: I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts! See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html Uh -- not me; looks sort of like an antique picture tube, maybe, but I don't recognize it. I notice Emdrive hasn't gotten as far as running a spell checker over their front page, which doesn't automatically fill one with confidence. From the description, it appears to be a microwave oven. Surprising that they claim it will fly. I had one other comment on the website. On the theory page, they say: ... Einstein’s Special Law of Relativity in which separate frames of reference have to be applied at velocities approaching the speed of light. This is absolutely false. SR does *not* require that you must apply separate frames of reference when approaching the speed of light. In fact any analysis which relies on total momentum or energy *must* be carried out entirely within a *single* reference frame or else you'll end up with nonsensical results (just as they have apparently done here). In the FAQs they say: Thus the system of EM wave and waveguide can be regarded as an open system, with the EM wave and the waveguide having separate frames of reference. This is complete nonsense. The reference frame chosen is based on what makes it easiest to solve a particular problem. There's nothing magical about relativity theory here, nor is there any mystical significance to the term reference frame; *exactly* the same concept exists in ordinary Newtonian mechanics. When a pool player strikes a ball, in the frame of the table, the cue and the player's arm have significant momentum just before the ball is hit. Afterwards, the table, player, and cue have zero momentum in the *table's* reference frame. And yet, the ball has zero momentum in the *ball's* reference frame, too! So, where did the momentum go? Answer: you need to do the momentum budget using a *single* frame, not a different frame for each physical object! (But you get to pick which frame to use.) -- Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No more interest only mortgages You might be interested to know that the interest only loans originated in the UK in the 80s. AAMOF my wife, a home mortgage underwriter, actually refers to them as a LIBOR, which is actually the acronym for London Interbank Offered Rate. So, the US actually copied the UK on these instruments. But we have created our own nooses. One of the deadly ones was stated income. And the 100% LTVs. Terry
RE: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
Wow, the church stepping in, in a bid to get more bums on pews and to have 'faith'. This *problem is man-made*. Recessions caused by forces beyond man's control are regrettable; these would include crop blight, bad weather, pandemic disease etc. Yes the insurance industries are under much pressure from a decade of bad weather which may or may not be due to man-made global warming and other factors. The insurer, investment banker, hedge fund manager need to be *spreading their portfolio* and be **generating real wealth** in case it is called upon. The economy is in a mess and there are many *interlinking factors* not being helped by *man-made cock-ups*: under-regulation in some areas, over-regulation in others (say in regards to the price of fuel) or bad foreign policy starting expensive wars. Modelling such a non-linear system is a nightmare. However it is known that non-linear systems far from equilibrium will go into catastrophic behaviour - such as a market crash. The desire to give up understanding such a complicated system and appeal to faith is a childish atavistic cop-out, though tempting, hence the nostrums from the thuggish old left (eat the rich!) and anachronistic church (God will provide, I don't know how, but trust me). Simple measures like that suggested for the mortgage market (have means? have deposit? etc.), reserve banking or not hedging on a hedge helps keep that complicated, multi-variable system more simple in one sector of the economy at least. The complex financial instruments you speak of Ed were caused by the fashion for financial engineering. Mathematics seemed to perform miracles in science so why not mathematical economics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX5II-BJ8hI ? I think we need a Mrs Thatcher type plain and simple grocer's daughter (with a track record in controlling government spending to boot) to practice the common-sense measures of running the family grocery business or dime box saloon. Maybe. I would just hate a world with America in decline against the other power blocks, most of all an America not confident with itself self-flagellating and self loathing as your enemies want it. -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 16:11 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... For those who have not been following the news and do not have a fixed opinion about the financial problems, let me add a bit of reality. The collapse of the mortgage market was the event that started the collapse but it was not the true cause. The big problem is the derivative market. These are bets between companies about which way various factors such as interest rates or the value of a security will change. For example, I might buy a basket of mortgages and at the same time buy a derivative such that I would be paid a fixed sum if the value of the mortgages dropped below a certain value. Options in the securities world are similar but are more closely regulated. The problem is that the number of these derivatives has increased to a huge amount, as high as 50 trillion depending to who makes the calculation. Because they do not have to be reported, it is impossible to know just how much money is at risk. When the value of mortgages went down, some companies were required to make good on bets that required payment if the value of mortgages would go down. Because of the size of the bet made by some companies, they can't pay and will go into bankruptcy. As a result, the company counting on this payment also can't pay its debts. As a result, a problem has spread throughout the system. The solution requires mortgages be priced higher and money be supplied to allow these bets to be paid without the company having to fold its tent. This is not a simple process and it will invite certain people to gain an advantage. The only issue is how much advantage will be allowed while actually solving the problem. The same people who made the mess are trying to gain all they can while the conservative Republicans and the Democrats are trying to limit the advantage. Of course, McCain is trying to undo the damage his past votes caused while looking like a reformer. Obama is trying to design the bailout so that the pain is more evenly shared. Congress is making its usual attempt to take the easiest path. The outcome will determine the future of many people including some who supported the policies that made the mess. For people who do not understand what is happening to make ignorant suggestions or to think nothing be done is extremely irresponsible. This is like telling people on a sinking ship not to get into a lifeboat because they think the ship can float will being filled with water. Too late, their ignorance is proven wrong. Fortunately, most people have been sense. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:56 AM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
[Vo]:Dilithium and excitons.
Part 3 in a continuing effort to flesh out a workable hypothesis for energy gainfulness from bosonic low energy paired-lithium reactions - aka dilithium. In the most general terms, an exciton is an ostensibly *neutral* (in charge) agglomeration of atoms which is in a state of electrical stimulation for an extended lifetime: almost like an ion (which does have charge bias and a shorter lifetime). This state exists on a geometric scale which is called the Forster radius (there is usually an umlaut over the o). The term quantum dot has also been used for describing the same, or a very similar structure and size range. This is the same geometric scale or near it, of about 2 to 10 nanometers, where the Casimir force and Van de Waals forces are seen to operate. This is exactly where we find such strange phenomena as luminescence and also possibly it is a gateway for ZPE effects - via John Wheeler's quantum foam. All of these concepts and fancy-argot are interrelated and new - yet there are articles on Wiki (which unfortuantely are in the same state of flux which you will see for LENR and other rapidly evolving subfields of physics). These articles have a decided slant towards semiconductor applications nowadays, but none of these terms is exclusive to that field. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_dot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam A state of charged-neutrality is unusual and is due to the combination of an electron hole and a bound electron in a small nanoparticle. We are talking about units which are typically from 10 atoms up to a few thousand in number, and are typically spherical- or near-planar and circular in the case of semiconductors. Since the hole - by definition - may be a positron (although in typical semiconductor situations it is not seen) this possibility offers a pathway for extreme energy levels in certain situations (other than semiconductors). There is also a pronounced near-field charge bias to the nanoparticle - which is almost always a negative charge - and there can be extreme magnetism- the so-called GMR, or Giant Magnetoresistance. The most interesting thing about this merger (nano-merger so to speak) - which is on the horizon, between semiconductor technology and alternative energy applications - is that perhaps the main simple and single ingredient which needs to be added into the mix to make it on dmenad is the bosonic state. This makes the field look like Fire from Ice in a way that Gene Mallove could never have fully appreciated just a few years ago. However, it should be noted that Robert Forward had put forth the ironic situation for cryogenics and energy- and foresaw that the prospect of using LENR as an energy source and achieving really robust LENR on demand may likely require cryogenic temperatures (to increase the statistical probablility of attaining even transitory BEC states in reactants). Wait a minute you say ! Doesn't that requirement immediately make it hopeless as an energy source? After all, if we must expend 10kW to keep a LENR cell cold enough to be really active - by removing all of its excess heat and then some - then how on earth is will an effective net energy balance ever take place? There is a good answer for that - to follow, and it does not require keeping a cell cold, per se - but to understand the line of reasoning, one must appreciate that 'coldness' itself is relative. A very cold exciton, which appears to be moving very fast in our frame of reference can still be a condensate at cryogenic temperatures in its own frame of reference - up until the time that those two frames merge together. As you may be guessing by now, the only way to pull this off is in an inertial confinement arrangement; and with an accelerated exciton as the fuel which attains its own frame-of-refernce, independent of the target, for brief time span. It is probably coincidental to some degree that the field of LENR is being classified these days as condensed matter physics - when in that instance they are NOT referring to the same kind of condensate i.e. the BEC which may be needed for this hypothesis. More later, Jones
Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit OrionWorks wrote: I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts! See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html Uh -- not me; looks sort of like an antique picture tube, maybe, but I don't recognize it. I notice Emdrive hasn't gotten as far as running a spell checker over their front page, which doesn't automatically fill one with confidence. From the description, it appears to be a microwave oven. Surprising that they claim it will fly. I had one other comment on the website. On the theory page, they say: ... Einstein’s Special Law of Relativity in which separate frames of reference have to be applied at velocities approaching the speed of light. This is absolutely false. SR does *not* require that you must apply separate frames of reference when approaching the speed of light. In fact any analysis which relies on total momentum or energy *must* be carried out entirely within a *single* reference frame or else you'll end up with nonsensical results (just as they have apparently done here). In the FAQs they say: Thus the system of EM wave and waveguide can be regarded as an open system, with the EM wave and the waveguide having separate frames of reference. This is complete nonsense. The reference frame chosen is based on what makes it easiest to solve a particular problem. There's nothing magical about relativity theory here, nor is there any mystical significance to the term reference frame; *exactly* the same concept exists in ordinary Newtonian mechanics. When a pool player strikes a ball, in the frame of the table, the cue and the player's arm have significant momentum just before the ball is hit. Afterwards, the table, player, and cue have zero momentum in the *table's* reference frame. And yet, the ball has zero momentum in the *ball's* reference frame, too! So, where did the momentum go? Answer: you need to do the momentum budget using a *single* frame, not a different frame for each physical object! (But you get to pick which frame to use.) I have difficulty even accepting newtonian relativity. Do you think by a flick of the wrist the mass of the table (and the earth!) have gone from being at rest wrt to the cue ball, to being in motion wrt to the cue ball? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit
Yes. It is more the opposite, but every step you take, you push the Earth, and she pushes back at you. The Earth pushes a hell of a lot harder, but you DO have an effect on the motion of the Earth, however infintesimal, with each step. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit OrionWorks wrote: I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts! See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html Uh -- not me; looks sort of like an antique picture tube, maybe, but I don't recognize it. I notice Emdrive hasn't gotten as far as running a spell checker over their front page, which doesn't automatically fill one with confidence. From the description, it appears to be a microwave oven. Surprising that they claim it will fly. I had one other comment on the website. On the theory page, they say: ... Einstein's Special Law of Relativity in which separate frames of reference have to be applied at velocities approaching the speed of light. This is absolutely false. SR does *not* require that you must apply separate frames of reference when approaching the speed of light. In fact any analysis which relies on total momentum or energy *must* be carried out entirely within a *single* reference frame or else you'll end up with nonsensical results (just as they have apparently done here). In the FAQs they say: Thus the system of EM wave and waveguide can be regarded as an open system, with the EM wave and the waveguide having separate frames of reference. This is complete nonsense. The reference frame chosen is based on what makes it easiest to solve a particular problem. There's nothing magical about relativity theory here, nor is there any mystical significance to the term reference frame; *exactly* the same concept exists in ordinary Newtonian mechanics. When a pool player strikes a ball, in the frame of the table, the cue and the player's arm have significant momentum just before the ball is hit. Afterwards, the table, player, and cue have zero momentum in the *table's* reference frame. And yet, the ball has zero momentum in the *ball's* reference frame, too! So, where did the momentum go? Answer: you need to do the momentum budget using a *single* frame, not a different frame for each physical object! (But you get to pick which frame to use.) I have difficulty even accepting newtonian relativity. Do you think by a flick of the wrist the mass of the table (and the earth!) have gone from being at rest wrt to the cue ball, to being in motion wrt to the cue ball? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space By Clara Moskowitz Staff Writer posted: 23 September 2008 12:46 pm ET As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered. Patches of matter in the universe seem to be moving at very high speeds and in a uniform direction that can't be explained by any of the known gravitational forces in the observable universe. Astronomers are calling the phenomenon dark flow. The stuff that's pulling this matter must be outside the observable universe, researchers conclude. Another alternative explanation is that the stuff is being *pushed* by an invisible clump of negative gravitational charge matter that is located in the visible part of the universe. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Solar power gets boost from US Senate
http://tinyurl.com/3w9fa4 Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit
On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:45 AM, OrionWorks wrote: See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks Thanks for posting. I'm glad to see the dream lives on. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
Sobering and provoking thoughts from Remi, Ed, and Terry. Gives me the shudders. I find it curious that the consumer credit card industry doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this mess, or perhaps I missed that aspect. Considering the huge credit card debt load that our population has accumulated over the years, the practice of enticing customers to borrow more and more money to the point that a significant portion of the population is now barely capable of making payments on the principal, I can't help but wonder if that isn't a significant contributing factor to the mess we are in. I'm constantly receiving credit card offers in the mail, typically two or three a week. They only have one goal: To get me in debt with them. Unfortunately, too many people have done just that. It's absolutely disgusting. I wish there was better regulation of the industry. We will pay for this mess. Answering Remi's prior question, I hold no position in industry or academia. Walking the talk is a highly subjective matter. Having done anything worth recognizing is also a highly subjective matter. And what good works have I personally done? Also highly subjective. It would seem that the older I've gotten, the more I've come to a personal realization that there is so much I don't know, or understand. But it's a start. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:51 AM, OrionWorks wrote: Sobering and provoking thoughts from Remi, Ed, and Terry. Gives me the shudders. I find it curious that the consumer credit card industry doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this mess, or perhaps I missed that aspect. Considering the huge credit card debt load that our population has accumulated over the years, the practice of enticing customers to borrow more and more money to the point that a significant portion of the population is now barely capable of making payments on the principal, I can't help but wonder if that isn't a significant contributing factor to the mess we are in. I'm constantly receiving credit card offers in the mail, typically two or three a week. They only have one goal: To get me in debt with them. Unfortunately, too many people have done just that. It's absolutely disgusting. I wish there was better regulation of the industry. We will pay for this mess. Indeed we will. As the system melts down, people will not have back-up savings to help them through the healing process. As a result, even more pain will be experienced. The only way the government can bail out the losers is to borrow or print money. This will cause interest rates to rise and inflation. Consequently, more foreclosures and an increase in the price of food will result. The pain will be widespread. We are looking at the beginning of a revolution in the US. We have been taught to believe our present system is the best in the world. When the people who have accepted this idea start to feel the pain, we will see a big change. Being a liberal will not look so bad. Pain is much more effective than argument or logic. Meanwhile, rest of us need to find a safe cave. Ed Answering Remi's prior question, I hold no position in industry or academia. Walking the talk is a highly subjective matter. Having done anything worth recognizing is also a highly subjective matter. And what good works have I personally done? Also highly subjective. It would seem that the older I've gotten, the more I've come to a personal realization that there is so much I don't know, or understand. But it's a start. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
I asked a friend once: How do things get their price? The price of something is whatever someone is prepared to pay for it. A false economy of credit is a house of cards. To me, in my simple way of thinking, money must ultimately come down to some form of barter for labour or resources. I just have the feeling that there are too many parasites, speculators, lifestyle gurus, interior designers, flim-flam and not enough people being rewarded for real work such as manufacture or agriculture - too much service sector. That bartering provides a means of living on the planet, right, at its most fundamental level? I break a leg then I need a medic, I need some food then I need a farmer, I need a house then I need a builder. I give something in return they decide if they need it or not. What happens when two pop music starlets need each other? - on a cruise ship imagine the cry, someone is about to suffer a major rhythm defect, is there a pop musician in the house? In times of economic collapse people barter skills or cigarettes. There's then a whole level of life's luxuries that we are willing to pay for - trans fatty acid cream buns, big SUVS, keeping up with the neighbours, sports stars or movie stars that inherently have no value. Therein lies the problem of credit card applications dropping on the doormat. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 18:52 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... Sobering and provoking thoughts from Remi, Ed, and Terry. Gives me the shudders. I find it curious that the consumer credit card industry doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this mess, or perhaps I missed that aspect. Considering the huge credit card debt load that our population has accumulated over the years, the practice of enticing customers to borrow more and more money to the point that a significant portion of the population is now barely capable of making payments on the principal, I can't help but wonder if that isn't a significant contributing factor to the mess we are in. I'm constantly receiving credit card offers in the mail, typically two or three a week. They only have one goal: To get me in debt with them. Unfortunately, too many people have done just that. It's absolutely disgusting. I wish there was better regulation of the industry. We will pay for this mess. Answering Remi's prior question, I hold no position in industry or academia. Walking the talk is a highly subjective matter. Having done anything worth recognizing is also a highly subjective matter. And what good works have I personally done? Also highly subjective. It would seem that the older I've gotten, the more I've come to a personal realization that there is so much I don't know, or understand. But it's a start. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit
That is true but that is not what I mean. Imagine you are the ball and you are resting wrt to the table and the earth. A cue or another ball hits you so you move at 1 m/s wrt to the table. Would you be so self-centred as to claim you are still resting, and that the table and the earth are now moving under you at 1 m/s? If such a conceit were true the pool players standing around the table would have been flung off their feet as the earth abruptly accelerated under them from 0 m/s to 1 m/s. Harry - Original Message - From: leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit Yes. It is more the opposite, but every step you take, you push the Earth, and she pushes back at you. The Earth pushes a hell of a lot harder, but you DO have an effect on the motion of the Earth, however infintesimal, with each step. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit OrionWorks wrote: I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts! See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html Uh -- not me; looks sort of like an antique picture tube, maybe, but I don't recognize it. I notice Emdrive hasn't gotten as far as running a spell checker over their front page, which doesn't automatically fill one with confidence. From the description, it appears to be a microwave oven. Surprising that they claim it will fly. I had one other comment on the website. On the theory page, they say: ... Einstein's Special Law of Relativity in which separate frames of reference have to be applied at velocities approaching the speed of light. This is absolutely false. SR does *not* require that you must apply separate frames of reference when approaching the speed of light. In fact any analysis which relies on total momentum or energy *must* be carried out entirely within a *single* reference frame or else you'll end up with nonsensical results (just as they have apparently done here). In the FAQs they say: Thus the system of EM wave and waveguide can be regarded as an open system, with the EM wave and the waveguide having separate frames of reference. This is complete nonsense. The reference frame chosen is based on what makes it easiest to solve a particular problem. There's nothing magical about relativity theory here, nor is there any mystical significance to the term reference frame; *exactly* the same concept exists in ordinary Newtonian mechanics. When a pool player strikes a ball, in the frame of the table, the cue and the player's arm have significant momentum just before the ball is hit. Afterwards, the table, player, and cue have zero momentum in the *table's* reference frame. And yet, the ball has zero momentum in the *ball's* reference frame, too! So, where did the momentum go? Answer: you need to do the momentum budget using a *single* frame, not a different frame for each physical object! (But you get to pick which frame to use.) I have difficulty even accepting newtonian relativity. Do you think by a flick of the wrist the mass of the table (and the earth!) have gone from being at rest wrt to the cue ball, to being in motion wrt to the cue ball? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
Actually, credit is essential in an active economy. For example, suppose I want to start a business making widgets. Before I can get any income from their sale, I have to buy the machinery and hire people. This takes money up front, which must be borrowed. Once again, this is not rocket science. The problem is not the use of credit, it is the use of too much credit of the wrong kind. Normally the system is self regulating based on a bank taking responsibility for the loan and its repayment. This system broke down because a corrupt system was allow to grow in the US, mainly by the Bush administration. Again, this is a matter of fact, not opinion or liberal propaganda. Unless people acknowledge reality, there is no hope for a correction. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: I asked a friend once: How do things get their price? The price of something is whatever someone is prepared to pay for it. A false economy of credit is a house of cards. To me, in my simple way of thinking, money must ultimately come down to some form of barter for labour or resources. I just have the feeling that there are too many parasites, speculators, lifestyle gurus, interior designers, flim-flam and not enough people being rewarded for real work such as manufacture or agriculture - too much service sector. That bartering provides a means of living on the planet, right, at its most fundamental level? I break a leg then I need a medic, I need some food then I need a farmer, I need a house then I need a builder. I give something in return they decide if they need it or not. What happens when two pop music starlets need each other? - on a cruise ship imagine the cry, someone is about to suffer a major rhythm defect, is there a pop musician in the house? In times of economic collapse people barter skills or cigarettes. There's then a whole level of life's luxuries that we are willing to pay for - trans fatty acid cream buns, big SUVS, keeping up with the neighbours, sports stars or movie stars that inherently have no value. Therein lies the problem of credit card applications dropping on the doormat. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 18:52 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... Sobering and provoking thoughts from Remi, Ed, and Terry. Gives me the shudders. I find it curious that the consumer credit card industry doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this mess, or perhaps I missed that aspect. Considering the huge credit card debt load that our population has accumulated over the years, the practice of enticing customers to borrow more and more money to the point that a significant portion of the population is now barely capable of making payments on the principal, I can't help but wonder if that isn't a significant contributing factor to the mess we are in. I'm constantly receiving credit card offers in the mail, typically two or three a week. They only have one goal: To get me in debt with them. Unfortunately, too many people have done just that. It's absolutely disgusting. I wish there was better regulation of the industry. We will pay for this mess. Answering Remi's prior question, I hold no position in industry or academia. Walking the talk is a highly subjective matter. Having done anything worth recognizing is also a highly subjective matter. And what good works have I personally done? Also highly subjective. It would seem that the older I've gotten, the more I've come to a personal realization that there is so much I don't know, or understand. But it's a start. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
Of course Ed! That's the normal business cycle. But the concept has been corrupted by people never wanting to repay or ultimately give value. I am sickened. For the years you and I have done good work (I'm ok now by the way for funding) and suggested to state and market that they have the vision to invest in things which generate wealth. The state let us down with NIH because big science was calling all the shots, whilst the market went after dotcom, Britney's tits and other flim-flam. It's the calibre of the people making these decisions left or right, though Bush may have been dropped on his head after the midwife delivered him. It all reminds of the film The Fall of the Roman Empire with, was it Sophia Loren or Rachel Welch? You know the scene at the end with the big hand icon and then the general saying Who will be Emperor of the Roman Empire? and then naming a price. Whoever gets it, it's a poisoned chalice... -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 19:52 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... Actually, credit is essential in an active economy. For example, suppose I want to start a business making widgets. Before I can get any income from their sale, I have to buy the machinery and hire people. This takes money up front, which must be borrowed. Once again, this is not rocket science. The problem is not the use of credit, it is the use of too much credit of the wrong kind. Normally the system is self regulating based on a bank taking responsibility for the loan and its repayment. This system broke down because a corrupt system was allow to grow in the US, mainly by the Bush administration. Again, this is a matter of fact, not opinion or liberal propaganda. Unless people acknowledge reality, there is no hope for a correction. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: I asked a friend once: How do things get their price? The price of something is whatever someone is prepared to pay for it. A false economy of credit is a house of cards. To me, in my simple way of thinking, money must ultimately come down to some form of barter for labour or resources. I just have the feeling that there are too many parasites, speculators, lifestyle gurus, interior designers, flim-flam and not enough people being rewarded for real work such as manufacture or agriculture - too much service sector. That bartering provides a means of living on the planet, right, at its most fundamental level? I break a leg then I need a medic, I need some food then I need a farmer, I need a house then I need a builder. I give something in return they decide if they need it or not. What happens when two pop music starlets need each other? - on a cruise ship imagine the cry, someone is about to suffer a major rhythm defect, is there a pop musician in the house? In times of economic collapse people barter skills or cigarettes. There's then a whole level of life's luxuries that we are willing to pay for - trans fatty acid cream buns, big SUVS, keeping up with the neighbours, sports stars or movie stars that inherently have no value. Therein lies the problem of credit card applications dropping on the doormat. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 18:52 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... Sobering and provoking thoughts from Remi, Ed, and Terry. Gives me the shudders. I find it curious that the consumer credit card industry doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this mess, or perhaps I missed that aspect. Considering the huge credit card debt load that our population has accumulated over the years, the practice of enticing customers to borrow more and more money to the point that a significant portion of the population is now barely capable of making payments on the principal, I can't help but wonder if that isn't a significant contributing factor to the mess we are in. I'm constantly receiving credit card offers in the mail, typically two or three a week. They only have one goal: To get me in debt with them. Unfortunately, too many people have done just that. It's absolutely disgusting. I wish there was better regulation of the industry. We will pay for this mess. Answering Remi's prior question, I hold no position in industry or academia. Walking the talk is a highly subjective matter. Having done anything worth recognizing is also a highly subjective matter. And what good works have I personally done? Also highly subjective. It would seem that the older I've gotten, the more I've come to a personal realization that there is so much I don't know, or understand. But it's a start. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Google Project 10^100
See: http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html I submitted an application to this project. Not expecting a response, but anyway, I have covered this. In the application form field #11, Describe your idea in more depth. (maximum 300 words) I wrote the following: Cold fusion (the Fleischmann-Pons effect) is a nuclear effect that was replicated by Los Alamos, BARC and hundreds of other major laboratories worldwide. These replications were published in hundreds of mainstream, peer-reviewed journal papers. Cold fusion has produced temperatures and power density equivalent to a fission reactor core. It has produced hundreds of watts of heat from a device the same of a coin, and 10,000 times more energy than any possible chemical fuel. It has to potential to produce energy thousands of times cheaper than fossil fuel, with no carbon dioxide emissions, virtually no pollution, and unlimited supplies of fuel. Unfortunately, the research cannot be funded in the U.S. because of academic politics, opposition by funding agencies, and ridicule by a few major magazines and newspapers. Department of Energy (DoE) advisory panels have twice recommended that a modicum of research be funded, but the DoE has ignored this advice. It is time for the public to demand that scientists who wish to investigate this phenomenon be funded and allowed to do so. We advocate budgeting a few million dollars per year in basic research at National Laboratories and universities. If promising devices emerge, budgets should be increased to allow rapid development. Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million, which is what it cost to develop similar surface effect, solid-state devices such as the Aegis radar. Our web site features a bibliography of 3,500 research papers on cold fusion (including more than 1,000 peer-reviewed ones) and the full text from 500 papers. Our purpose is to provide accurate, original source information to the scientific community, and to educate the public about the vital need for this research. See lenr-canr.org
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
Hope this works Jed, or at least makes people aware. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html I submitted an application to this project. Not expecting a response, but anyway, I have covered this. In the application form field #11, Describe your idea in more depth. (maximum 300 words) I wrote the following: Cold fusion (the Fleischmann-Pons effect) is a nuclear effect that was replicated by Los Alamos, BARC and hundreds of other major laboratories worldwide. These replications were published in hundreds of mainstream, peer-reviewed journal papers. Cold fusion has produced temperatures and power density equivalent to a fission reactor core. It has produced hundreds of watts of heat from a device the same SIZE of a coin, and 10,000 times more energy than any possible chemical fuel. It has to potential to produce energy thousands of times cheaper than fossil fuel, with no carbon dioxide emissions, virtually no pollution, and unlimited supplies of fuel. Unfortunately, the research cannot be funded in the U.S. because of academic politics, opposition by funding agencies, and ridicule by a few major magazines and newspapers. Department of Energy (DoE) advisory panels have twice recommended that a modicum of research be funded, but the DoE has ignored this advice. It is time for the public to demand that scientists who wish to investigate this phenomenon be funded and allowed to do so. We advocate budgeting a few million dollars per year in basic research at National Laboratories and universities. If promising devices emerge, budgets should be increased to allow rapid development. Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million, which is what it cost to develop similar surface effect, solid-state devices such as the Aegis radar. Our web site features a bibliography of 3,500 research papers on cold fusion (including more than 1,000 peer-reviewed ones) and the full text from 500 papers. Our purpose is to provide accurate, original source information to the scientific community, and to educate the public about the vital need for this research. See lenr- canr.org
[Vo]:FW: Millis-Puthoff//HADRON//Suisse//NASTY, SHORT, BRUTAL: Podkletnov-EinsteinSolutions//ZPEnergy comprehensive Super-M/Hyper-Grav Theory/Aethyr-Dark Energy Physics
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #7 RE: //HADRON//Suisse RE: The Solution/expansion of the Podkletnov 'indicative-assertion' via Einstein upgrade-inversion solving his Unified Field equations which lead in turn to discovery of Transdimensional Dark-Energy/SuperCosmos AETHYR PHYSICS via Plasma-Breach/Gray-Hole Singularity DARK-ENERGY/SUPERCOSMOS Hyper-Grav-Field accessing SUPERCONDUCTIVE-TOROID REACTOR RE: When Boeing announced the initiation of the Podkletnov Hyper-Grav Project it was merely a slight 'Red-Herring' in that they had already 'solved' Podkletnov and ADVANCED far beyond him. And that was accomplished by the below Transdimensional-Aethyr Physics a la' Super-M/Hyper Grav Theory a la' Einstein/Harbach-O'Sullivan formulation that were already well into developement by the NASA Advanced Propulsion Research Project sans Skunk Works Phantom Works joint HYPER DIMENSIONAL SLIP CRAFT propelled by 'Plasma-Breach Dark-Energy/HyperGrav Field Bleedthrough Gray-Hole Reactors.' And the below 'Google' reference is exactly that core body of work that enable the seemingly 'hyper-futuristic' to be currently realized. These 'Dark-Energy' technologies tap the HyperEnergyDense HyperFast SuperCosmos within which are created-suspended-sustained the Myriad Infinite champagne of Bubble-Universii THAT OUR OWN IS BUT ONE OF. The concept that with such technologies a super-race millions of years more advanced than ours has long since become become master terra-formers and planetary designers and 'MOVERS' of myriad 'class-M' planets is now not too hard to imagine. . . enter the REALIZATION/DEFINITION of Spooky Action @ Distance. * * * THE HOME SYSTEM/Staging Port System of PROGENITOR TERRA FORMERs: Further remarkable is that any individual in 1827 managed to somehow KNOW(guess rather well) that we were but the progeny of such a race is a bit spooky and were somehow originially planetarily in 'proximity' of hypothesized 'Progenitor-Home-World-X' AND THEN such as 'Earth' terraformed-planets 'trandimensionally 'SLIPPED' planetarily EN-TOTO with NO ILL EFFECT is NOT EVEN ABSURD in respect to the NOW NEW TRANSDIMENSIONAL PHYSICS which is indeed currently experiencing it's OPERATIONAL BIRTH FOR MANKIND. PLASMA-BREACH HYPER-DRIVE bridging universe-spanning 'SLIPS' in VIRTUAL NO-TIME rendering those RELATIVELY VAST DISTANCES to be VIRTUAL-NO-DISTANCE are now in its operational beginning R D flight testing phase. These will some-day soon take us to other galaxies with EASE and eventually will navigate us to PARALLEL UNIVERSES. And still in the RELATIVE BLINK OF AN EYE! ! ! HENSE THE SOLUTION to Spooky Action @ Distance. BOTTOM LINE: The 'physics' doesn't lie but is fully engaged and operant. Good luck withal! Jake Lev-Harbach/O'Sullivan~:-) GOOGLE: (Variation on 'Prior Info' after complete Theorectical/Mathmatical Articulation/HARD SCIENCE)--Google-- PROOF POS: Fermi Collider as Plasma-Breach/GRAY-HOLE Space/Time. . . (http://www.zpenergy/downloads/Jake_Harbach.pdf) Cheers! Jake Lev-Harbach/O'Sullivan~:-)! _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/
[Vo]:FW: Millis-Putoff//HADRON-Suisse//DARK-ENERGY TECH:The Early Days*WW-II*~Deutsch/Hyper-GravCraft~Deciphering WENZESLAUS
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #5 RE: //HADRON//Suisse * * JAKE LEV-HARBACH/O'Sullivan * * * * * The EARLY DAYS of DARK-ENERGY-SuperMembrane/HyperGravity Physics/AEthryc Physics* * * ~THE OMNIVERSE~ * * * DARK-ENERGY/AEthyr Physics=SuperMembrane/HyperGravity Physics= . . .. . . . .TRANSDIMENSIONAL QUANTUM Energy Exchange Physics . . .* * * * This ULTIMATE PHYSICS of the DARK-ENERGY OMNIVERSE= . . .. . . . is the NOW COSMOLOGY the NOW ATOMIC/PARTICLE MODALITY * * ** * * FROM DARK-ENERGY SuperSpace: The post BIRTH WHITE-HOLE FOUNTAIN creation process that is also known in error as THE BIG BANG * * *Subject: RE: ~*WW-II*~Deutsches-A-GravCraft~Deciphering der MYSTERIOUS BellChamber-WENZESLAUS MINE DEUTSCHLAND-Sudatentland of WERNER VON BRAUN Co.Jake Harbach O'Sullivan~TRANSDIMENSIONAL/DarkEnergy/AETHYR PHYSICS * * *SPECIAL NOTE: NASA Advanced Propulsion engineer DAVE ADAIR was extensively mentoredby Werner Von Braun who worked on the WENZESLAUS ANTI-GRAV PROJECT~ ***~DARK ENERGY TECH REALIZED//EN AETHROS(DarkEnergy)VERITAS/Aethyr Physics~*** ~POINT-LEAD PROPULSION Concentrated Projected Hyper-Grav Field Lobe, 'Carrot Stick,' PROPULSIVE MECHANISMS DECIPHERED//Our Reactor's EMF-SuperConductor Ring Toroid Generator FIRST Kickstarts a SuperSpace/DarkEnergy Toroid CROSS-SPECTUM in Parallel SuperSpace. The Reactor's Toroid SuperConductor-EM mega-hi-density field the Parallel-DarkEnergy-SuperSpace toroid function in tandem in 'PIGGY-BACK' to OPEN UP THE PLASMA-BREACH GREY-HOLE/WORMHOLE. Thus is created the SUBDARK-ENERGY bleed-through cross-spectrum SYPHON EFFECT. Of late I've noticed much fairly 'off-the-wall' speculation of exactly 'What is the operational mechanism' of the MYSTERIOUS BELL CHAMBER of the WW-II era Wenzeslaus 'Anti-Grav' machines that became known as 'Foo-fighters' etc. We've heard that indeed this my be an ANTI-MATTER CHAMBER within a DAVID ADAIR TOROID HIGH-EMF MAGNETIC 'BOTTLE' CHAMBER which is really a good guess but ONLY CLOSE if this is a game of AMERICAN HORSE-SHOES; which it is NOT. THE BELL CHAMBER IS SIMPLY the 'RECIEVING CHAMBER' at the eye-nexus point of a CONTROLLED, artificially produced SUBSINGULARITY, super conductor EMF-GYROID/Toroid, SUPER ENERGY-DENSITY RING array. ?!?!?!AND JUST WHAT IN 'BILLY-HELL' IS THAT?!?!? What's been throwing us off to date is the SHEAR APPARENT SIMPLICITY of the 'Bell Chamber' which the Deutsch Scientists were utilizing. MOST NOTABLY it was GETTING THE JOB DONE but THE CONTROL WAS FAIRLY HAP-HAZARD and QUITE CLUMSEY. AND SPECIFICALLY AT HOVER/IDLE the craft is WOBBLY because that is the only time that the craft is MOST FULLY WITHIN NORMAL SPACE TIME NOT moving OUTSIDE NORMAL SPACE-TIME. AND THUSLY AT RELATIVE HOVER-IDLE it needs some CONVENTIONAL ELECTRIC HIGH-TORQUE internal JETTED NOZZEL PITCH YAW FANS to stabilize it a RELATIVE HOVER or if ITS SUPER HIGH EMF-RING REACTOR gets INADVERTANTLY SHUT-DOWN thusly leaving it it NORMAL ATMOSPHERIC GLIDE MODE. And in that shut-down NORMAL ATMOSHPHERE GLIDE-MODE it might indeed be handy to have a few functionsl aero-foil glide flabs to aid in a convential prozaic glide-landing AND NOT A CRASH. * * * VERY CRUDE UNWIELDY TO CONTROL * * * IN POWERED FLIGHT SIMPLY GIMBALING THE 'BELL CHAMBER with CHIMNEY WAVE GUIDE ASSEMBLY' as swiveling unit provides ALL POWERED DIRECTIONAL AND ACCELERATION/DECELERATION CONTROL. What threw-off the Germans was that they had produced a HYPER-GRAV QUASI-DARK-ENERGY PLASMA bubble around their craft which rendered it NOT COMPLETELY PRESENT IN THE HERE NOW. Thusly as a weapons platform for WW-II vinatage projectile weapons it SUCKED because a SUBDIMENSIONALLY DISPLACED CRAFT is shooting bullets within IT'S OWN VIRTUAL SPACE and the ALLIED CRAFT existed in separated NORMAL SPACE, and the thusly 'rounds' NEVER GOT FULLY INTO TARGET SPACE. From the platform of the GRAV-LOBE HYPER-FIELD ENCAPSULATED 'Foo' Craft they were merely USELESSLY FIRING 'FOO-BULLETS.' That was about as effective as shooting spit-wads as it turned out. EVEN IF THEY HAD figured out to try to 'shoot' solid bullets on the BACK-PULSE(field collapse pulse) of the SUPER CONDUCTOR RING REACTOR (much as WW-I bi-planes guns were timed to fire ' between the prop blades) the lead bullets would still have encountered such severe Hyper-grav spacial(space-time) distortion as to render them TOTALLY INACCURATE AND INEFFECTUAL as any type of precision weapon. HOWEVER Particle Beam Weapons can be configured as with a LASER's pulse rate to correspond to the Reactor's Back-Pulse/Contra Pulse rate and this is QUITE DEVASTATING to say the least. ONCE STARTED THE CRAFT HAS TAPPED/syphoned into LIMITLESS DARK-ENERGY/SUPERSPACE dimensionl cross-bleed POWER, and thusly it's REACTOR has then become A POWER RECIEVING INDUCTED SUPER-EMF-GENERATING PLANT. THUSLY there is VIRTUALLY LIMITLESS POWER because ONCE THE PARALLEL DARKENERGY
[Vo]:FW: Millis-PutoffHADRON-Suisse//TAOof'TIME,DarkEnergy,HyperGravity*2012:POINT-Start 'NEW~TIME~AEON'! !'~* *DAY EARTH Stands Still
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #4 RE: //HADRON//Suisse //Jake-Lev Harbach/O'Sullivan\\ * * * PROJECTION: What a 'Headline!' * * * * * * * THE DAY THE EARTH STANDS STILL; just before it performs TRANSIDIMENSIONAL GYMNASTICS and TIME LINIARITY is simply: NO MORE! ! ! * * * Hi ALBERT ! ! !~;-) MAYAN PROPHETIES (predictive calculations of 'time-stream' extrapolations) INDICATE a date of approximately DECEMBER 21st, year 2012 as the 'START OVER' point-(RE-BOOT) of HUMAN INTERACTIVE SOCIOCENTRIC EARTH 'Novi-History.' OF COURSE we are already within the initial stages of 'bending time' back upon itself MOBIUS FASHION; within the currently limited context of our focused gravity-compression reactors PROPULSION LIMITLESS BLEEDTHROUGH FIELD INDUCTION technologies. And the current INTERFACE with OURSELVES from our NEAR FUTURE with a MORE ADVANCED and SOPHISTICATED VERSION of these same technologies is now bringing us inexorably into the FINAL EXPONENTIALLY ACCELERATED REFINEMENTS that bring us to that DAY IN TIME whereby we MERGE WITH OUR OWN FUTURE IN A DEFACTO FULLY FUNCTIONAL 'TIME MOBIUS LOOP' and hense LINEAR TIME FOR MANKIND IS FUNCTIONALLY---EXTINCT. . . .The day is upon us where fairly PROSAIC ATMOSPHERIC AIR TRAVEL will be relegated to Hydrogen powered Air Craft alone considering that the LIMITLESS ELECTROLYSIS HYDROGEN PRODUCTION via PLASMA BREACH TRANSDIMENSIONAL INDUCTION power plants that is now functionally availed to us. MANKIND IS NOW READY FOR THE SUDDEN LEAP OF LIMITLESS CLEAN POWER upon the planet and LIMITLESS COMPRESSED GRAVITY PROPULSION giving us RAPID ACCESS TO REMOTE LOCATIONS WITHIN OUR OWN TINY UNIVERSE. OF COURSE NAVIGATION is the single biggist hurtle. BIG LEAPS: slipping out of SPACE-TIME NORMAL into DARK-ENERGY SUPERSPACE transport us via VIRTUAL NO-TIME SPEED and VIRTUAL NO-DISTANCE SPACE which could easily place us into OTHER QUASI-ADJACENT BUBBLE UNIVERSES or into the HYPER SPEED CURRENT DYNAMICS OF OPEN-DARK ENERGY SUPER-COSMOS SPACE. Though such an eventuality would render us LOST FOREVER AS TRAVELS TO OUR OWN TIME AND SPACE BUBBLE UNIVERSE is likely; we might be able to find SUITABLE REFUGE in some other AMENABLE UNIVERSE/PLANETARY SYSTEM. . . * * * MICRO JUMP TRANSDIMENTIONAL QUASI-DARK ENERGY SPACE TRAVEL: It is likely that functionally effective SUPER-SPACE/DARK-ENERGY SUPERSPACE navigation would require a significant HUMAN ORGANIC EVOLUTIONARY ADVANCEMENT that we will soon be able to effect UPON OURSELVES via GENETIC ENGINEERING. . . YET, by using RAPID FIRE 'MICRO-JUMPS'(transdimensionally displaced mini-pod focused gravity lobe jumps) we are making notable strides in HYPER-RAPID STEALTH propulsion other nearer HYPER-SPEED TRAVEL WITHIN OUR OWN UNIVERSE. . . . . AND EVEN THOUGH our own 'SPACE-TIME NORMAL BUBBLE UNIVERSE' only SEEMS vast, it is MERELY A DROP IN THE BUCKET TO THE HYPER-SPEED CAPABILITIES OF DARK-ENERGY BLEED THROUGH HYPER-GRAV LOBE PROPULSION CAPABILITES which were are BARELY UTILIZING; but even that is UNBELIEVABLY PROFOUND IN FORM FUNCTION! ! ! And WE KNOW that the myriad BUBBLE UNIVERSE such as our own are virtually a LIMITLESS CHAMPAGNE of SUCH AS OUR OWN UNIVERSE(albeit with likely limitless variation), within INFINITE DARK-ENERGY SUPERSPACE. . . . which is indeed the UBIQUITOUS BACK OF THE ENERGY SPECTRUM TAPESTRY that EVERY PROTON CENTER of EVERY ATOM OF OUR BUBBLE UNIVERSE is but A GRAY-HOLE quasi-balanced sub-SINGLULARITY connected DIRECTLY ALSO TO DARK-ENERGY SUPERSPACE. . . IN SHORT: DARK ENERGY SUPERSPACE is the ULTIMATE MOTIVE ENERGIZING GRAVITY FORCE OF ALL CREATION. . . . * * * ,VIRTUAL NO-TIME VIRTUAL NO-DISTANCE' * * * AND BEST (and scariest) OF ALL: The BASE AMBIENT SPEED DENSITY of DARK ENERGY SUPERSPACE(also at the BLACK HOLE SINGULARITY NEXUS) @ EC^3ubed, is at that AMBIENT AVERAGE DARK-ENERGY FIELD SPEED is SO PROFOUNDLY FAST that when we SIDE SLIP with the HYPER-GRAVpsuedo-poidal universe CRAFT ENCLOSING FIELD of the DARK ENERGY PLASMA-BREACH Hyper-Grav Lobe Bleed-through SUPER-CONDUCTOR RING REACTOR, we move OUT SIDE OF OUR BUBBLE UNIVERSE SPACE-TIME NORMAL proximally SO QUICK that IN THAT SIDE-SLIPPED DARK ENERGY MODEwe thusly MOVE ACROSS OUR BUBBLE UNIVERSE IN A BLINK or LESS! ! ! THIS FUNCTIONALLY PUTS--ANY AND EVERY DISTANCE WITHIN THE INTERNAL RANGE OF OUR OWN HOME-BUBBLE-UNIVERSE functionally AS CLOSE AS THE VERY NOSES UPON OUR FACES! ! ! And this is called VIRTUAL NO-TIME VIRTUAL NO-DISTANCE. . . . . And HENSE the flight techniques of OUR REACTOR @ RAPID FIRE MICRO-PULSE FIRING or MICRO-BREACH DIALATION so as NOT TO OVER SHOOT into uncharted(maybe unchartable) DARK ENERGY SUPERSPACE /OR into ANOTHER ADJACENT BUBBLE UNIVERSE(not home!) ALTOGETHER! ! ! !-! ! ! OOPS ! ! ! BUT AS TO 2012 QUANTUM LEAPING for PLANET EARTH'S quantum-social-planetary evolution;
Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit
if you are choosing that ball as a frame of refference, then that would be true. The point of relativity is that there is no central frame of refference, just what you choose. its not conceit, its reality. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is true but that is not what I mean. Imagine you are the ball and you are resting wrt to the table and the earth. A cue or another ball hits you so you move at 1 m/s wrt to the table. Would you be so self-centred as to claim you are still resting, and that the table and the earth are now moving under you at 1 m/s? If such a conceit were true the pool players standing around the table would have been flung off their feet as the earth abruptly accelerated under them from 0 m/s to 1 m/s. Harry - Original Message - From: leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit Yes. It is more the opposite, but every step you take, you push the Earth, and she pushes back at you. The Earth pushes a hell of a lot harder, but you DO have an effect on the motion of the Earth, however infintesimal, with each step. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit OrionWorks wrote: I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts! See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html Uh -- not me; looks sort of like an antique picture tube, maybe, but I don't recognize it. I notice Emdrive hasn't gotten as far as running a spell checker over their front page, which doesn't automatically fill one with confidence. From the description, it appears to be a microwave oven. Surprising that they claim it will fly. I had one other comment on the website. On the theory page, they say: ... Einstein's Special Law of Relativity in which separate frames of reference have to be applied at velocities approaching the speed of light. This is absolutely false. SR does *not* require that you must apply separate frames of reference when approaching the speed of light. In fact any analysis which relies on total momentum or energy *must* be carried out entirely within a *single* reference frame or else you'll end up with nonsensical results (just as they have apparently done here). In the FAQs they say: Thus the system of EM wave and waveguide can be regarded as an open system, with the EM wave and the waveguide having separate frames of reference. This is complete nonsense. The reference frame chosen is based on what makes it easiest to solve a particular problem. There's nothing magical about relativity theory here, nor is there any mystical significance to the term reference frame; *exactly* the same concept exists in ordinary Newtonian mechanics. When a pool player strikes a ball, in the frame of the table, the cue and the player's arm have significant momentum just before the ball is hit. Afterwards, the table, player, and cue have zero momentum in the *table's* reference frame. And yet, the ball has zero momentum in the *ball's* reference frame, too! So, where did the momentum go? Answer: you need to do the momentum budget using a *single* frame, not a different frame for each physical object! (But you get to pick which frame to use.) I have difficulty even accepting newtonian relativity. Do you think by a flick of the wrist the mass of the table (and the earth!) have gone from being at rest wrt to the cue ball, to being in motion wrt to the cue ball? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
People should vote for me next year. I will remind everyone -- if I remember. Quote from: http://www.project10tothe100.com/how_it_works.html How it works Project 10^100 (pronounced Project 10 to the 100th) is a call for ideas to change the world by helping as many people as possible. Here's how to join in. 1. Send us your idea by October 20th. Simply fill out the submission form giving us the gist of your idea. You can supplement your proposal with a 30-second video. 2. Voting on ideas begins on January 27th. We'll post a selection of one hundred ideas and ask you, the public, to choose twenty semi-finalists. Then an advisory board will select up to five final ideas. Send me a reminder to vote. 3. We'll help bring these ideas to life. We're committing $10 million to implement these projects, and our goal is to help as many people as possible. So remember, money may provide a jumpstart, but the idea is the thing.
[Vo]:Impeachment
Well, do you think it will happen?
[Vo]:FW: Millis-Putoff//HADRON-Suisse//*PROOF [EMAIL PROTECTED] CHICAGO:TRANSDIMENSION-SLIP CRAFT'Space Port/Time Port?'orWHAT?
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #2 RE: //HADRON//Suisse * * * * GOOGLE.COM---'General Science Journal' site Jake Lev-Harbach aka http://www.wbabin.net/comments/harbach.htm --- and also --- http://www.zpenergy/downloads/Jake_Harbach.pdf * Jake Lev-Harbach/O'Sullivan /\PROOF Positive at FERMI-LAB Chicago:Transdimensional SLIP CRAFT'Space Port/Time Port?'or WHAT?/\ *PROOF POSITIVE is 'SPOOKY-ACTION @ a (astronomically impossibly vast) DISTANCE; 'but how?' * ~THE OMNIVERSE~ * * * DARK-ENERGY/AEthyr Physics=SuperMembrane/HyperGravity Physics= . . .. . . . .TRANSDIMENSIONAL QUANTUM Energy Exchange Physics . . .* * * * This ULTIMATE PHYSICS of the DARK-ENERGY OMNIVERSE= . . .. . . . is the NOW COSMOLOGY the NOW ATOMIC/PARTICLE MODALITY * * ** * * FROM DARK-ENERGY SuperSpace: The post BIRTH WHITE-HOLE FOUNTAIN creation process that is also known in error as THE BIG BANG * * *Subject: RE: *PROOF [EMAIL PROTECTED] CHICAGO:TRANSDIMENSION-SLIP CRAFT'Space Port/Time Port?' or WHAT?* * *DARK ENERGY TECH REALIZED~//EN AETHROS(Dark Energy)VERITAS\\Aethyr Physics~Jake Harbach O'Sullivan~ * * * OF IMPORTANT NOTE: Via 'elements within the current Administration,' certain PARAMETERS of the following matters have been PROVIDED TO THE SAUDIS via the U.A.E. Green Project which MUCH MORE than it PURPORTS to be. . . * * * PROOF POSITIVE~'SPOOKY-ACTION @ a (astronomically impossibly vast) DISTANCE;' but how? * * * FERMI LAB SUPER-COLLIDER CHICAGO: Is Fermi Lab Super-Collider actually a Quasi-GRAY-HOLE CENTER/DARK ENERGY PLASMA BREACH REACTOR and an ACCIDENTAL SPACE-TIME PORT? ? ? 'FOCUSED GRAVITY PROPULSION CRAFT, which are 'slightly mis-placed from their HOME TIME, have with disconcerting regularity recently been suddenly showing up in around above CHICAGO O'HARE AIR-PORT. These LARGE, IMPOSSIBLY QUICK, wingless HOVERABLE CRAFT which are SOMEWHAT AHEAD OF THE CURRENT FLIGHT TECHNOLOGIES have been lingering above the FLIGHT PATH AIR-SPACE in seeming stunned confusion at beholded an ANTIQUE WINGED JET AIR-CRAFT SHOW BENEATH THEM parked at the passenger loading terminals! ! ! * * * ? ! ? ! WHY ? ! ? ! * * * * * * ? ! ? ! AND WHY IN REGULAR PROXIMITY DIRECTLY IN THE AIR-SPACE ABOVE FERMI-LAB ? ! ? ! * * * THE ANSWER IS QUITE SIMPLE: Invertant to FERMI-LAB's intended design as a CIRCULAR TRACK PARTICLE COLLIDER: 'Fermi' is IN FACT a HIGH-POWERED SUPER-MAGNETIC FIELD RING-REACTOR UNDER CONSTANT POWER TO SUSTAIN MINISCULE AMOUNTS OF COLLECTED ANTI-MATTER IN PERPETUITY; and 'not' doing this very well . . . . BUT. . . . IN SHORT; FERMI-LAB Ring Collider 24/7/365 NEVER SLEEPS. . . . BUT FERMI has in fact accidentally become a SPACE-TIME HYPER-GRAV SUMP-SNARE which thusly becomes an 'accidental' SPACE-TIME 'port' for CRAFT that SHARE MANY DESIGN PARALLELS to Fermi Collider relative to their own PLASMA-BREACH DARK-ENERGY bleed-through ADVANCED PROPULSION POINT-LEAD/HYPER-GRAV FOCUSED LOBE drive reactor SYSTEM. This drive system displaces the craft/reactor slightly 'out of/against' NORMAL SPACE-TIME flow. AND when the reactor's back-pulse RE-ENGAGES it SLIGHTLY-BACK into space normal, it is thusly pulled SLIGHTLY backward AGAINST the NORMAL FLOW OF SPACE TIME. Or; with the reactor's normal rapid fire micro pulse tesla function; it becomes a quasi 'time machine.' BUT A LARGER 'PULL' (via the Plasma Breach Toroid-Centre GRAY-HOLE effect)from FERMI-Collider could DISPLACE NEAR-FUTURE HYPER-GRAV CRAFT leaving CHICAGO-O'HARE. The combination of those NearFutureCraft's own ToroidReactor's TIME-BackRatcheting effect with FERMI'S through their COMMON FIELD VISCOSITY with VIRTUAL-NO-TIME HyperEnergySpeedDense, DARK-ENERGY SuperSpace; thusly causes these unfortunate embarkers from CHICAGO-OHARE SPACE-TIME PORT of the near future to be more PROFOUNDLY 'pulled-BACK against 'Normal Time Flow'.)' AND OOPS, OH DEAR thusly Boeing's next generation of AEROSPACE-CRAFT get more DISTANTLY yanked 'BACK' OUT OF THEIR OWN TIME into OUR IMMEDIATE PRESENT. . . . oops! IN POINT OF FACT: FEMI-LAB COLLIDER is a HUGE MODEL of that specific type of DARK-ENERGY bleed through INCIPIENT PLASMA BREACH/BALANCED 'GRAY-HOLE' Ring Reactors which also PROPEL THE MYSTERY CRAFT that have been showing up in immediate proximity to FERMI-LAB CHICAGO. BUT THE COLLIDER'S SUPER GIGA-EM RING ARRAY LACKS A 'SUPER-CONDUCTOR' CORE TO BE A FULL PLASMA-BREACH QUASI-GRAYHOLE DARK-ENERGY BLEEDTHROUGH Reactor (and thus is just a partial Plas-BreachQuasiGrayHole Reactor) thusly be fully functional as a cross spectrum partial-worm-hole reactor. . . . * * * BUT FERMI-COLLIDER has AMPLE GIGA-EM POWER to bringthe REACTOR TOROID-FIELD up to KICK-START statis/CROSS SPECTRUM ENGAGEMENTEM-SPEED-DENSITY PLATEAU which inturn via 'cross-spectrum field viscosity' does ACTUALLY engage(and thusly start) the necessaryPARALLEL DARK-ENERGY SUPERSPACE toroid/maelstrom.
[Vo]:FW: Millis-Putoff//HADRON-Suisse//MICHIO KAKU//HADRON 'Super-Collider?'aka Plasma Breach Reactor access 'TIME' far UNIVERSE
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #1RE: //HADRON//Suisse * * * * SUPER-Membrane/HYPER-Gravity DARK ENERGY PHYSICS* * * * Collider as PLASMA-BREACH GrayHole Singularity DARKENERGY/HYPERGRAVITY accessing REACTOR * * * * GOOGLE.COM---'General Science Journal' site Jake Lev-Harbach aka http://www.wbabin.net/comments/harbach.htm --- and also --- http://www.zpenergy/downloads/Jake_Harbach.pdf * * * UPGRADE on Fermi Collider as INTENTIONAL 'Plasma Breach/GrayHole/Singularity REACTOR accessing DarkEnergy SuperCosm ADJACENT/PARENT/SUPERSPACE's Hyper-SpeedDense/HyperGrav SuperCosm EC^3ubed Base Ambient DarkEnergy/SuperEnergy Spectrum/Dimension* * * PER: Dr. MICHIO KAKU Sept. 10th, 2008// Switzerlands 'New' quasi-HADRON-COLLIDER PROJECT puportedly gives 'us'(Planet Earth) access to TIME TRAVEL INSTANT TRANSIT TO ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE BEYOND--WITHIN A SINGLE YEAR FROM THE PRESENT. . . ? ? ? IS THIS Michio Kaku statement merely Rhetorical Allegorical FLUFF or is in it fact a HARD DECLARITIVE STATEMENT announcing the (real-time and already far along in RD) INTERNATIONAL DARK-ENERGY ACCESS-PLASMA BREACH/HYPER GRAVITY PROJECT. . . INDEED the CURRENT GLOBAL TENSIONS bode for WW-III in the IMMEDIATE OFFING unless Mankind makes a HARD 180 degree course change and opts for EXTRA-GALACTIC COLONIZATION for a VERY NECESSARY population and growth control mechanism rather than PERENNIAL WAR as the NASTY-SHORTterm--BRUTAL historical alternative to EXPLORATION EXPANSION. For even as the GRAND CENTRAL GLOBAL PUPPETEER SUPER-BANK CENTRAL reach for the stars these HEADY DEVELOPEMENTS do AT LEAST point to that their ofter COLD-BLOODED SEEMING PROGNOSTACATORY grim-solutions ARE NOW HOPEFULLY advancing SOLUTIONS that rather than PRUNING POPULATION allow for THE CREATIVE POTENTIALS of HUMANITY--NOT TO BE AMPUTATED at REGULAR HISTORIC INTERVALS OF MANMADE STRIFE CATACLYSM. . . And this too is BETTER NEWS than we have had for some historic 'time' now. . . * * * HADRON//SUISSE: The SUPERCOSMOS//PLASMA-BREACH REACTOR project for LIMITLESS POWER and VIRTUAL-NO-TIMEVIRTUAL NO-SPACE limitless travel is NOT BRAND NEW but it's time for UNVEILING has NOW PRECIPITOUSLY arrived. This is a GOOD THING! And it is also HEADY to the point of being VERY SPOOKY to CONTEMPLATE. So maybe the 'Mayans' and their 2012 prognostications for the GLOBAL REFURBISHING of HUMAN INTERACTION with (soon defunct)LINEAR TIME LIMITATIONS LIGHT-SPEED LIMITATIONS were NOT too far off the mark for GLOBAL EVOLUTIONARY QUANTUM LEAP! WE HAVE for a while now REALIZED that 'Fermi-Collider' was indeed a primitive NEAR PROTOTYPE of a PLASMA-BREACH REACTOR that created a HYPER-GRAV//adjacent space-Dark Energy Toroid which SIMULTANEOUSLY created at its PLASMA-BREACH-EYE-NEXUS a QUASI GRAY-HOLE//WHITE HOLE//Hyper-Grav Worm Hole effect which can BRIDGE SPACE-TIME @ HYPER-FASTER-THAN LIGHT SPEEDs thusly transiting 'Time'(backward/forward) with relative ease SPOOKY ACTION @ DISTANCE transit also the SPAN OF MULTI-UNIVERSESVIRTUALLY INSTANTANEOUSLY. . . . ? ? ? TALL ORDER ? ? ? WAKE UP: WE ARE ON THE VERY VERGE OF PERFECTING IT IN SWITZERLAND(to the tune of limitless funding) as well as MANY LOCALS GLOBALLY including the Dark Projects Centres of the U.S., UK Russia etc. . . . Now you know the FULLER story! Jake Lev-Harbach/O'Sullivan _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/
RE: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
Hi Jed, Very well put and thanks for submitting it. I hope they get the message. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] See: http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html I submitted an application to this project. Not expecting a response, but anyway, I have covered this...
Re: [Vo]:Impeachment
On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: Well, do you think it will happen? No. Hopefully some of the people will spend some time either in jail or trying to keep out of jail. Even this is not certain. We all know that in politics, the bigger the lie the more it is believed and the bigger the crime the more it is defended by the government, in this case, Republicans. Ed
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
Credit and confidence are essential for the creation of wealth. As Ed points out credit is needed to buy the menas for future production, whether of crops or goods. Confidence, or trust, is essential that the loan will be repaid. Whether implemented by barter, money, or credit cards, the essential structure is the same. Wealth is not in the tokensof exchange but in the created goods -- that the farmer can get seed and machinery to harvest the crops before the harvest occurs. The trap is that money itself can become a commodity, to be bought and sold without actual labor. One is again playing with confidence and its opposite, risk. The bank takes a risk that the loan will not be repaid, and carges a fee, called interest, for assuming the risk. In a way we all play the confidence game. As FDR said we only need to fear itself, the loss of confidence, which disrupts the mutual trust on which commerce depends. The finger of greed points in every direction. We want more than we give. Wealth is not a matter of how much we have, but how little we need. A gift of the industrial age is that essentials for many can be produced by labor of fewer and fewer. A curse of the industrial age is that fewer and fewer havethe satisfaction of meaningful contributions to others. Then the human urges for status play out in trivia. The global credit system should not be blamed on Bush. It is created by us all. The system dynamics is so complex that we individually and collectively do not really understand it, like the weather, climate, or a Mandelbrot Set. We get aircraft safety by analyzing crashes. Adjustments and controls will be necessary to recover fromt the present situation without choking off the dynamics of the creation of wealth. Fundmentally, it depends on energy, the energy of human intelligence, and the physical energy to do work of all kinds. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... Actually, credit is essential in an active economy. For example, suppose I want to start a business making widgets. Before I can get any income from their sale, I have to buy the machinery and hire people. This takes money up front, which must be borrowed. Once again, this is not rocket science. The problem is not the use of credit, it is the use of too much credit of the wrong kind. Normally the system is self regulating based on a bank taking responsibility for the loan and its repayment. This system broke down because a corrupt system was allow to grow in the US, mainly by the Bush administration. Again, this is a matter of fact, not opinion or liberal propaganda. Unless people acknowledge reality, there is no hope for a correction. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: I asked a friend once: How do things get their price? The price of something is whatever someone is prepared to pay for it. A false economy of credit is a house of cards. To me, in my simple way of thinking, money must ultimately come down to some form of barter for labour or resources. I just have the feeling that there are too many parasites, speculators, lifestyle gurus, interior designers, flim-flam and not enough people being rewarded for real work such as manufacture or agriculture - too much service sector. That bartering provides a means of living on the planet, right, at its most fundamental level? I break a leg then I need a medic, I need some food then I need a farmer, I need a house then I need a builder. I give something in return they decide if they need it or not. What happens when two pop music starlets need each other? - on a cruise ship imagine the cry, someone is about to suffer a major rhythm defect, is there a pop musician in the house? In times of economic collapse people barter skills or cigarettes. There's then a whole level of life's luxuries that we are willing to pay for - trans fatty acid cream buns, big SUVS, keeping up with the neighbours, sports stars or movie stars that inherently have no value. Therein lies the problem of credit card applications dropping on the doormat. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 18:52 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... Sobering and provoking thoughts from Remi, Ed, and Terry. Gives me the shudders. I find it curious that the consumer credit card industry doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this mess, or perhaps I missed that aspect. Considering the huge credit card debt load that our population has accumulated over the years, the practice of enticing customers to borrow more and more money to the point that a significant portion of the population is now barely capable of making payments on the principal, I
Re: [Vo]:Impeachment
Remi Cornwall wrote: Well, do you think it will happen? Nope. And I see no grounds for it, either. Bush had permission from Congress to do everything he did. I do not like Bush, but to blame this entire situation on him is absurd in my opinion. Millions of other people are at fault. Meanwhile, I am sorry to report that McCain has pulled dead even with Obama in the polls. See: http://gallup.com/home.aspx If Obama cannot win in these circumstances, I fear he cannot win at all. I would like to second Remi Cornwall's comments: This *problem is man-made*. . . . The economy is in a mess and there are many *interlinking factors* not being helped by *man-made cock-ups*: under-regulation in some areas, over-regulation in others (say in regards to the price of fuel) or bad foreign policy starting expensive wars. . . . No outcome is inevitable. It will not be good, but it may not do any long term harm. FDR showed that man-made problems can be fixed, no matter how bad they seem. Leaders have to have guts, and good ideas. Compare FDR's speechs to the anodyne pronouncements by Bush last night, which he read like an announcer delivering a long public-service message about new parking regulations for the holiday season (Gail Collins). You want to see how a leader explains a problem to the nation? Read this (and listen to the audio recording): http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/fdrfirstfiresidechat.html The success of our whole great national program depends, of course, upon the cooperation of the public -- on its intelligent support and use of a reliable system. . . . I hope you can see from this elemental recital of what your government is doing that there is nothing complex, or radical in the process. . . . (Talk about elite, Ivy League accents!) And this, of course: http://www.hpol.org/fdr/inaug/ We are never helpless, except when we feel helpless. As I wrote here in January: . . . global warming and especially the situation in Africa are entirely our fault, and our problem, and I am certain -- beyond any doubt -- that we have the power to fix these problems. As John F. Kennedy said: Our problems are manmade - therefore, they can be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings. Man's reason and spirit have often solved the seemingly unsolvable - and we believe they can do it again. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
I blame Bush and his attitude because it was the philosophy he supported that removed the necessary controls from the credit market. There is nothing mysterious or difficult to understand about what will happen when children are allowed to do anything they want. Many people pointed out that such a system could not last. The outcome was so obvious that a person had to wonder about the sanity and honesty of the players. However, the no-nothing ideologues and the people who made money fought any change. Now they and the rest of us will pay the price of this ignorance and greed. The situation is very simple and does not require deep analysis now that the predicted consequences have been made clear. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Mike Carrell wrote: Credit and confidence are essential for the creation of wealth. As Ed points out credit is needed to buy the menas for future production, whether of crops or goods. Confidence, or trust, is essential that the loan will be repaid. Whether implemented by barter, money, or credit cards, the essential structure is the same. Wealth is not in the tokensof exchange but in the created goods -- that the farmer can get seed and machinery to harvest the crops before the harvest occurs. The trap is that money itself can become a commodity, to be bought and sold without actual labor. One is again playing with confidence and its opposite, risk. The bank takes a risk that the loan will not be repaid, and carges a fee, called interest, for assuming the risk. In a way we all play the confidence game. As FDR said we only need to fear itself, the loss of confidence, which disrupts the mutual trust on which commerce depends. The finger of greed points in every direction. We want more than we give. Wealth is not a matter of how much we have, but how little we need. A gift of the industrial age is that essentials for many can be produced by labor of fewer and fewer. A curse of the industrial age is that fewer and fewer havethe satisfaction of meaningful contributions to others. Then the human urges for status play out in trivia. The global credit system should not be blamed on Bush. It is created by us all. The system dynamics is so complex that we individually and collectively do not really understand it, like the weather, climate, or a Mandelbrot Set. We get aircraft safety by analyzing crashes. Adjustments and controls will be necessary to recover fromt the present situation without choking off the dynamics of the creation of wealth. Fundmentally, it depends on energy, the energy of human intelligence, and the physical energy to do work of all kinds. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo... Actually, credit is essential in an active economy. For example, suppose I want to start a business making widgets. Before I can get any income from their sale, I have to buy the machinery and hire people. This takes money up front, which must be borrowed. Once again, this is not rocket science. The problem is not the use of credit, it is the use of too much credit of the wrong kind. Normally the system is self regulating based on a bank taking responsibility for the loan and its repayment. This system broke down because a corrupt system was allow to grow in the US, mainly by the Bush administration. Again, this is a matter of fact, not opinion or liberal propaganda. Unless people acknowledge reality, there is no hope for a correction. Ed On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: I asked a friend once: How do things get their price? The price of something is whatever someone is prepared to pay for it. A false economy of credit is a house of cards. To me, in my simple way of thinking, money must ultimately come down to some form of barter for labour or resources. I just have the feeling that there are too many parasites, speculators, lifestyle gurus, interior designers, flim-flam and not enough people being rewarded for real work such as manufacture or agriculture - too much service sector. That bartering provides a means of living on the planet, right, at its most fundamental level? I break a leg then I need a medic, I need some food then I need a farmer, I need a house then I need a builder. I give something in return they decide if they need it or not. What happens when two pop music starlets need each other? - on a cruise ship imagine the cry, someone is about to suffer a major rhythm defect, is there a pop musician in the house? In times of economic collapse people barter skills or cigarettes. There's then a whole level of life's luxuries that we are willing to pay for - trans fatty acid cream buns, big SUVS,
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:00:51 -0400: Hi, [snip] Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million, which is what it cost to develop similar surface effect, solid-state devices such as the Aegis radar. [snip] If my device works, it could be thousands of times more effective than the current CF reactors, and could be developed for less than 2 million dollars (and that's a very high estimate). With 2 or 3 dedicated people willing to work for free in their spare time and the availability of a good machine shop, a prototype could be built for a few thousand dollars. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million . . . [snip] If my device works, it could be thousands of times more effective than the current CF reactors, and could be developed for less than 2 million dollars (and that's a very high estimate). Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a practical device. At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away from a practical device. I think Celani may also be in that position, but let us wait to see if he is replicated. Arata also has promising approach but who knows what to make of his calorimetry. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
Looks like a new energy bubble forming... This time those in the field must maintain transparency. 'scalled peer review.
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million . . . [snip] If my device works, it could be thousands of times more effective than the current CF reactors, and could be developed for less than 2 million dollars (and that's a very high estimate). Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a practical device. At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away from a practical device. I think Celani may also be in that position, but let us wait to see if he is replicated. Arata also has promising approach but who knows what to make of his calorimetry. No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is understood. Simply replicating a process that works is only the first step. This only makes possible a search for the mechanism, a process that will take much money and time. Even after the mechanism is understood, many more millions will be needed to show that the device is safe and will last long enough to be practical. Meanwhile, most investment money will go into solar and wind where the advantages are obvious and where a return on the dollar can be calculated. Cold fusion will get pennies until it can discover the mechanism though lucky chance. Meanwhile, we all can beat on the system to make it more receptive when the mechanism is discovered. Ed - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
Edmund Storms wrote: At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away from a practical device. . . . No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is understood. Well, I think the gist of the NRL guy's comment was that Pam Boss's neutrons or something like that may break ground for theory. That is, a breakthrough may illuminate the mechanism. I can imagine they are one breakthrough away from that (but of course it is impossible to know they are). It is not necessary for the breakthrough to lead directly to a practical device. I agree with Ed about this, but it should be noted that other people such as Mike Melich feel that theory is somewhat overrated and that it is possible to make practical devices without a theory. He is the one who pointed to the Aegis radar example. According to him, the materials problems were worked out by Edisonian techniques and even today the theory is somewhat inadequate to explain performance. (I expect it is better than cold fusion theory.) Simply replicating a process that works is only the first step. This only makes possible a search for the mechanism, a process that will take much money and time. Even after the mechanism is understood, many more millions will be needed to show that the device is safe and will last long enough to be practical. Right. Plus you have to design practical products and set up production lines and so on. I am sure in the end it will cost billions. But the costs are trivial compared to the benefits. The first essential steps -- the physics breakthrough -- may well be doable with a few million dollars, as Robin van Spaandonk claims. Frankly, even $100 million cannot guarantee clear thinking or a breakthrough. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:20:27 -0400: Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly $300 million to $600 million . . . [snip] If my device works, it could be thousands of times more effective than the current CF reactors, and could be developed for less than 2 million dollars (and that's a very high estimate). Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a practical device. No, that's precisely the difference. CF as it stands rarely yields an excess of more than a few percent (and when it does, no one understands why). It is this primitive state of affairs which would make it expensive to develop. My device (if it worked at all), would more likely yield an excess on the order of 1000 fold (by design). That means that even the prototype would be immediately commercially feasible, and also easily scaled up. The entire expensive and painstaking improvement by baby steps process is eliminated. This is a consequence of the huge energy multiplication factor inherent in the process, combined with the elimination of the process randomness inherent in current CF designs. One advantage that CF does have over my design, is that it is essentially radiation free, while my design would most likely result in ordinary fusion reactions. However I think that considering the state the World is currently in, that many would be prepared to accept ordinary fusion as a stop gap measure until a radiation free form could be developed. At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away from a practical device. I think Celani may also be in that position, but let us wait to see if he is replicated. Arata also has promising approach but who knows what to make of his calorimetry. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:FW: Millis-Putoff//HADRON-Suisse//*PROOF [EMAIL PROTECTED] CHICAGO:TRANSDIMENSION-SLIP CRAFT'Space Port/Time Port?'orWHAT?
Um . . . I hesitate to mention this . . . but the messages in this thread by Mr. Jac triggered my e-mail spam filter. I find that telling. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:33:40 -0600: Hi, [snip] No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is understood. Simply replicating a process that works is only the first step. This only makes possible a search for the mechanism, a process that will take much money and time. Even after the mechanism is understood, many more millions will be needed to show that the device is safe and will last long enough to be practical. Meanwhile, most investment money will go into solar and wind where the advantages are obvious and where a return on the dollar can be calculated. Cold fusion will get pennies until it can discover the mechanism though lucky chance. Meanwhile, we all can beat on the system to make it more receptive when the mechanism is discovered. Ed [snip] I have chosen a different approach. Make a guess at the mechanism, and assume it is correct. Then optimize a design based upon the guess. Build the design. If the guess was correct, it will pay off. If not, then little is lost. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
I've seen a repeated posting with fantastical ideas about aether and parallel universes. Now really, come on! Whether it is private or public money you need to have projects with clear objectives backed up with some testable theory or suppositions. The way they work these things is bit by bit they give you the funding on reaching clear milestones. I once watched and warned an investor about a perpetual motion machine which was flawed. The guy was passing himself off as a professor even though he'd left the institution that awarded it. He did no work, never attended meetings and produced no workings or very, very poor quality material. The investor was very patient and in reality, philanthropic. We've got to separate the wheat from the chaff unless another bubble will occur in new energy.
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:48:07 -0400: Hi, [snip] Frankly, even $100 million cannot guarantee clear thinking or a breakthrough. [snip] There is no such thing as a perfect guarantee. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a practical device. No, that's precisely the difference. CF as it stands rarely yields an excess of more than a few percent (and when it does, no one understands why). That's incorrect on two counts: 1. In recent years devices at Energetics Technology and elsewhere produce much more than a few percent. 2. They know exactly why this is so. That is to say, control factors and necessary conditions have been identified. See the section I appended here the other day: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Cold_fusion It is this primitive state of affairs which would make it expensive to develop. Obviously these primitive conditions must be overcome before anything can be developed. Overcoming them may cost only of $2 million. For that matter it might cost nothing and be made from some old stuff lying around in Ed's basement, or Mizuno's soon-to-be-closed lab-in-a-broom-closet. But you are missing the main point. Even if you come up with a device that produces power 100% of the time with perfect control, someone still has to spend billions of dollars dealing with practical issues such as redesigning automobiles and other products; ensuring consumer safety; and setting up production lines. These are minor cost compared to the benefit. I am sure that if you could demonstrate a potentially practical device the money to do this sort of Qhing would quickly be forthcoming. But that money will be needed. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away from a practical device. . . . No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is understood. Well, I think the gist of the NRL guy's comment was that Pam Boss's neutrons or something like that may break ground for theory. That is, a breakthrough may illuminate the mechanism. I can imagine they are one breakthrough away from that (but of course it is impossible to know they are). It is not necessary for the breakthrough to lead directly to a practical device. I wish the Boss work were a breakthrough. Unfortunately, the process that makes apparent neutron emission during co-deposition cannot be operating in a heat-producing cell. Otherwise, the neutrons would have been easily detected. Evidence is growing for several mechanisms to be operating. We know that tritium can be produced on occasion without neutrons. Perhaps, the same mechanism makes neutrons without tritium. In any case, this process does not make helium, the source of the heat, and transmutation. Even tis observation opens all kinds of possible process that so far have not been demonstrated to be consistent with other expectations and with normal science. I agree with Ed about this, but it should be noted that other people such as Mike Melich feel that theory is somewhat overrated and that it is possible to make practical devices without a theory. He is the one who pointed to the Aegis radar example. According to him, the materials problems were worked out by Edisonian techniques and even today the theory is somewhat inadequate to explain performance. (I expect it is better than cold fusion theory.) Radar was not a nuclear reaction that might be put in homes. No one will permit a device that might blow up unexpectedly to be put into use. We all know this doesn't happen, but this must be proven beyond any doubt to the regulators. Only a complete understanding of the process will be believed. Simply replicating a process that works is only the first step. This only makes possible a search for the mechanism, a process that will take much money and time. Even after the mechanism is understood, many more millions will be needed to show that the device is safe and will last long enough to be practical. Right. Plus you have to design practical products and set up production lines and so on. I am sure in the end it will cost billions. But the costs are trivial compared to the benefits. The first essential steps -- the physics breakthrough -- may well be doable with a few million dollars, as Robin van Spaandonk claims. Frankly, even $100 million cannot guarantee clear thinking or a breakthrough. Everyone has their hopes and dreams. Next, a person needs to get other people to follow their lead, which is not easy to do even under the best of circumstances. This process will take years. Meanwhile enjoy the process but don't quit your day job. Ed - Jed
[Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Buried inside a CNN story it says: One Republican aide said that not much has changed in the last 24 to 48 hours. I think it has to be pretty radically altered for House Republicans to support it. This aide stressed, at the end of the day, these members represent the people who sent them here, and the people who sent them here are so overwhelmingly opposed to this. This aide said the calls coming into GOP offices are 90 to 1 against the plan. My guess is that 90 to 1 means the plan is politically dead on arrival. No sane politician would vote for it. Nor should any, in my opinion. Ours is not a direct democracy in which representatives are obligated to do what the public demands, but the will of the people matters, and 90 to 1 is the kiss of death. I know little about economics, Wall Street, or high finance, but I do not support the bailout as it is presently configured (as of 16:00 EDT, but who knows?), because it does not punish the companies and people who screwed up, and the taxpayers will not be rewarded if it works. I know little, I have read people who know a lot about economics, who say the same thing. So does Obama. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:The Enlightenment
Yes with serious people doing serious research interfacing with a closed minded establishment. It takes patience but the model is clear: have theories/suppositions that are testable so a project can have milestones. A bit like a pop song, a project needs a hook - something catchy and robust that can be comprehended by largely non-technical managers - We predict such and such. -Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 23:12 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Enlightenment In reply to Remi Cornwall's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:25:45 +0100: Hi, [snip] The old guard and new feudalists want to return us to, dare I say it, state housing (one size fits all), cars as luxury items (global warming), no foreign travel (global warming), composting allotment owning vegans (methane, global warming), lights out at nine pm (global warming), isolationist, free thought limited, little surfs living short miserable lives. [snip] The new feudalists are simply short sighted, fear ridden and ignorant. However ignorance can be cured by applying knowledge. You just need to show them how we can have our cake and eat it too, and they will change like the wind. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:02:06 -0800: Hi, [snip] Another alternative explanation is that the stuff is being *pushed* by an invisible clump of negative gravitational charge matter that is located in the visible part of the universe. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ [snip] ...or perhaps is just has intrinsic momentum left over from the creation of the Universe? Is it known to be accelerating? ...or perhaps they simply got it wrong, and the flow doesn't even exist? ...or maybe there really is an aether, and these galaxies got caught up in a stream? (IOW maybe gravity is not the motivating force - if there even is one). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:23 -0600: Hi, [snip] Everyone has their hopes and dreams. Next, a person needs to get other people to follow their lead, which is not easy to do even under the best of circumstances. This process will take years. Meanwhile enjoy the process but don't quit your day job. Ed [snip] Truer words were n'er spake! :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Come on Jed, Obama doesn't want this poisoned chalice. He's a young man and can come back in a few years after helping to draft the regulations in the senate. He'll make his name there. Does he have the sheer guts and force of personality to push through something that will be seen as un-American at the helm like an FDR? They'll never stop blaming him and what he stands for if it goes wrong. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 23:13 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Buried inside a CNN story it says: One Republican aide said that not much has changed in the last 24 to 48 hours. I think it has to be pretty radically altered for House Republicans to support it. This aide stressed, at the end of the day, these members represent the people who sent them here, and the people who sent them here are so overwhelmingly opposed to this. This aide said the calls coming into GOP offices are 90 to 1 against the plan. My guess is that 90 to 1 means the plan is politically dead on arrival. No sane politician would vote for it. Nor should any, in my opinion. Ours is not a direct democracy in which representatives are obligated to do what the public demands, but the will of the people matters, and 90 to 1 is the kiss of death. I know little about economics, Wall Street, or high finance, but I do not support the bailout as it is presently configured (as of 16:00 EDT, but who knows?), because it does not punish the companies and people who screwed up, and the taxpayers will not be rewarded if it works. I know little, I have read people who know a lot about economics, who say the same thing. So does Obama. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
Edmund Storms wrote: I wish the Boss work were a breakthrough. Unfortunately, the process that makes apparent neutron emission during co-deposition cannot be operating in a heat-producing cell. Well, that means it is not practical breakthrough but it still might illuminate the mechanism as I put it. History is full of examples of laboratory breakthroughs that had no direct practical application yet which pointed the way to practical improvements in other, related technology. Otherwise, the neutrons would have been easily detected. My point is that once you detect the neutrons in any cold fusion cell perhaps they will reveal the essential information that leads to a theory. Radar was not a nuclear reaction that might be put in homes. No one will permit a device that might blow up unexpectedly to be put into use. We all know this doesn't happen, but this must be proven beyond any doubt to the regulators. Only a complete understanding of the process will be believed. I think this is somewhat overstated. At some levels we do not have complete understanding of anything, even combustion. We certainly do not have complete control over combustion. Fires from heat engines and heating equipment killed thousands of people every year. If cold fusion devices are developed for specialized niche applications, and then they are run for millions of hours without incident, I think people would be willing to put them into homes. People are willing to accept a high degree of risk, after all. They drive automobiles at high speeds even though this causes roughly 40,000 deaths per year. Because of a psychological quirk, people are more willing to accept risk in long-established technology than in brand new technology. This is Hamlet's principle: novelty and the unknown puzzle the will and makes us rather bear those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of. But there are limits to this quirk. If the situation becomes desperate, or if cold fusion costs thousands of times less than conventional energy, people will overcome their fear of it. If it can be shown that whatever the hypothetical hidden risks may be, cold fusion automobiles are apparently far safer than gasoline powered ones, people will use them. After all, US society has not always been so fearful of new ideas and novelty. In the 1950s and 1960s we built nuclear power plants with abandon. Perhaps we were too willing to try out new technology without careful testing! But in any case, cultures and norms change constantly and we may return to that older way of thinking, and older willingness to take changes. We may have no choice. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Remi Cornwall wrote: Come on Jed, Obama doesn't want this poisoned chalice. Do you mean the bailout, or the job as President? He demands changes to the bailout, along the lines I mentioned: that it should punish the wrongdoers and compensate the taxpayers. See his web site for details. I doubt that he or any other Democrat would vote for it without such changes. As for the job as President, I am sure he wants it, no matter how bad things get. He has guts, and enormous self-confidence, just as FDR did. Such people never turn away from a challenge. (Neither do I, if it is within my power to meet it -- so I understand their thought processes.) I am not saying that Obama has what it takes to do the job. No one knows whether he does or not. But he would never turn away or throw the election because the prospects look bad. Neither would McCain. People like FDR and Obama are not fools. They understand the magnitude of the challenges they face. On the eve of the inauguration, FDR's son said to him, if you fail you will go down as the worst president in history. FDR responded: if I fail, I shall be the last president. I know the score too, in my personal quest. I know better than anyone how little likelihood there is that cold fusion will overcome the political opposition and succeed. That does not stop me. This is hardly a profile in courage; I have nothing to lose personally if cold fusion is forgotten, except 20 or 30 years of my life wasted in a hopeless task. Many people waste their lives for less, in unfulfilling jobs or loveless marriages. At least I will have had a good time, and met interesting people. If you want to hear what iron-clad determination in the face of disaster sounds like, listen to FDR on audio here: http://www.hpol.org/fdr/inaug/ Like him or hate him, no one can deny that FDR had an elemental force of personality. Before the inauguration some people thought he was a wimp! Some people say that about Obama today, but I have read his books and I can judge people's personalities and I am confident it is not so. He may be a disaster in the making, but he has guts. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 23:55 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout If you want to hear what iron-clad determination in the face of disaster sounds like, listen to FDR on audio here: http://www.hpol.org/fdr/inaug/ It's all in the first part, the oath and the constitution. What follows is technically un-American. Fascinating bit of history; then as now. I know the score too, in my personal quest. I know better than anyone how little likelihood there is that cold fusion will overcome the political opposition and succeed. That does not stop me. This is hardly a profile in courage; I have nothing to lose personally if cold fusion is forgotten, except 20 or 30 years of my life wasted in a hopeless task. Many people waste their lives for less, in unfulfilling jobs or loveless marriages. At least I will have had a good time, and met interesting people. Good luck. Like him or hate him, no one can deny that FDR had an elemental force of personality. Before the inauguration some people thought he was a wimp! Some people say that about Obama today, but I have read his books and I can judge people's personalities and I am confident it is not so. He may be a disaster in the making, but he has guts. Bit young for memoirs?
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
Of course the project name is not innocent, 10^100 is also known as 1 googol, whose misspelling as google is claimed to be the origin of the name of the company :) Michel
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Lots of good stuff: http://www.capmag.com/ _ From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 September 2008 23:55 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Do do do doo. Do do do doo...
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:47:34 -0400: Hi, [snip] Fundmentally, it depends on energy, the energy of human intelligence, and the physical energy to do work of all kinds. [snip] ...and this is why a new source of essentially unlimited energy can lead to a golden age for all, not just a few. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:01:45 -0400: Hi, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a practical device. No, that's precisely the difference. CF as it stands rarely yields an excess of more than a few percent (and when it does, no one understands why). That's incorrect on two counts: 1. In recent years devices at Energetics Technology and elsewhere produce much more than a few percent. I said rarely, not never. Yet even a 25 fold output:input ratio pales by comparison to the 1000:1 or better ratio that I expect/hope for. The reason for this ratio BTW is because Hydrinos can achieve the geometric mean between nuclear and chemical energies (I.e. sqrt(1 eV x 1E6 eV) = 1E3 eV), and thus act as a stepping stone to fusion. 2. They know exactly why this is so. That is to say, control factors and necessary conditions have been identified. That is not necessarily the same thing as being certain that the theory is correct. See the section I appended here the other day: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Cold_fusion It is this primitive state of affairs which would make it expensive to develop. Obviously these primitive conditions must be overcome before anything can be developed. Overcoming them may cost only of $2 million. For that matter it might cost nothing and be made from some old stuff lying around in Ed's basement, or Mizuno's soon-to-be-closed lab-in-a-broom-closet. There is a more fundamental problem. The NAE in these systems is scarce, because it relies primarily on being created by accident. I intend to mass manufacture it. But you are missing the main point. Even if you come up with a device that produces power 100% of the time with perfect control, someone still has to spend billions of dollars dealing with practical issues such as redesigning automobiles and other products; ensuring consumer safety; and setting up production lines. No. The initial market would be retrofitted large power plants. This would result in cheap electricity, and abundant cheap clean water, essentially anywhere on Earth. With cheap electricity also comes cheap recycling of everything, and with electric cars, (cheap?) clean transportation. In time a cleaner form of fusion directly amenable to personal transportation may follow, but even if it didn't, a golden age would still ensue. These are minor cost compared to the benefit. I am sure that if you could demonstrate a potentially practical device the money to do this sort of Qhing would quickly be forthcoming. But that money will be needed. There is a difference between money for RD, and money for deployment. The latter is always needed, irrespective of the technology. The difference between my design and all the rest is that my RD costs would be trivial by comparison, because I'm not wandering around in the dark trying to guess which part of the elephant I'm holding on to. IOW it will probably either work well (if the theory is correct), or not at all, if it's wrong. Furthermore, the validity of the theory can be discussed beforehand, with no investment at all. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:Google Project 10^100
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:23 -0600: Hi Ed, [snip] Evidence is growing for several mechanisms to be operating. We know that tritium can be produced on occasion without neutrons. Perhaps, the same mechanism makes neutrons without tritium. [snip] I find this somewhat confusing. The two common DD reactions are: D + D - T + p + 4 MeV (no neutrons) I and D + D - He3 + n + 3.3 MeV (one neutron).II Therefore, if only the first reaction takes place, then it is to be expected that T would be found with no neutrons. The second reaction would make neutrons, but would concurrently produce He3, not Tritium. Granted, in hot fusion, both reactions happen with about equal frequency, hence the concurrent production of both T and neutrons, however I see no reason why there couldn't be a shift in the ratio of the two reactions under the conditions of CF. (This may particularly be true if rather larger Deuterinos are involved, where the internuclear distance severely limits the reaction rate, thus perhaps enhancing any probability difference between the two reactions.) In that case I would expect it to be skewed toward the reaction with the largest energy release, and that is of course the first reaction. IOW I would expect to occasionally see T and protons, but rarely He3 plus neutrons. (It's easier for a neutron from one nucleus to tunnel across the gap to the other nucleus than for a proton to do so, because the neutron doesn't experience the Coulomb barrier - at least that's my simplistic explanation). You can also think of this in Mills' terms: On average in a Deuterino molecule, the nuclei will try to orient themselves such that the two protons are as far apart as possible (even at distance, before tunneling), which puts the two neutrons in the middle when tunneling does occur, preferentially resulting in the formation of T). If the distance between the nuclei gets very small OTOH, then it makes less and less difference, because the short range nuclear force will act without fear or favour, which is what we see with ordinary hot fusion, or with muon catalyzed fusion. Furthermore, in hot fusion the temperatures are so high that the rotational energy of the ions must of necessity also be high. That means that any preference the protons might have for staying as far apart as possible gets largely washed out. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
