[Vo]:Cathodic luminescence
I have often posted information here regarding anode glow, e.g. see: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf Also, the light production of cathode hot spots in SPAWAR experiments has been of interest. The existence of low voltage cathodic luminescence may therefore also be of related interest. See: Chttp://article.pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ppv/RPViewDoc? issn=1480-3291volume=55issue=7startPage=1193 http://tinyurl.com/yjojquj Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:NAS panel of wannabe experts muddies the plug-in hybrid discussion
This sounds familiar! Just because people are distinguished scientists does not mean they know what they are talking about. See: http://www.calcars.org/calcars-news/1085.htmlhttp://www.calcars.org/calcars-news/1085.html - Jed
[Vo]:Bayesian network for probabilistic analysis of cold fusion
See: Johnson, R. and M.E. Melich. Weight of Evidence for the Fleischmann-Pons Effect. in ICCF-14 International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008. Washington, DC. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/JohnsonRweightofev.pdf Cravens Letts incorporated part of this analysis here: Cravens, D. and D. Letts. The Enabling Criteria Of Electrochemical Heat: Beyond Reasonable Doubt. in ICCF-14 International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008. Washington, DC. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CravensDtheenablin.pdf - Jed
Re: [Vo]:BLP advertising for a Senior Mechanical Engineer
I check the website daily, blut I had not noticed this. Don't know how long it has been up. However, it signals significant progress, along wiht a recent talk by Mills to an investment group. There are a plurality of strongly exothermic 'solid fuel' reactions which are candidates for scale-up to untility level. A key problem is rgeneration of the reactants so that the only 'consumeable' is hyhdrogen from water. Doing such, to realize an effective continuous burn, is analogus to a multi-cylinder gasoline engine. This is a new/old chemical/mechanical engineering problem which is being studied by three firms under BLP sponsorship. BLP neeeds a program manager for an expanding effort. See www.wsw.com/webcast//fbr23/blacklight/powerpoint.html?0 Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson To: Vortex Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: [Vo]:BLP advertising for a Senior Mechanical Engineer BlacklightPower is advertising for a Senior Mechanical Engineer, $98k - $120k. http://careercenter.aiaa.org/jobdetail.cfm?job=3253851 http://tinyurl.com/ya98eez Job Description: Primary Job Functions: As part of a research and development hydrogen-based energy technology team, the successful candidate will work in this multi-faceted position with broad responsibilities that span traditional Mechanical Engineering functions including translation of laboratory processes through pilot plant with the ultimate aim of identification of a commercially viable process. BlackLight Power, Inc. offers competitive salaries and a comprehensive benefits package. For more information regarding BlackLight Power, Inc., please visit our web site at: http://www.blacklightpower.com To apply, please forward your résumé citing Senior Mechanical Engineer via email, fax, or mail to BlackLight Power, Inc., Attn: Human Resources, 493 Old Trenton Road, Cranbury, NJ 08512, Fax: 609-490-1066, h...@blacklightpower.com. Requirements: Key Success Factors: PhD with at least eight (8) years of extensive, hands-on industrial laboratory experience. While the thermal and mass transport sciences and associated processes are requisite, the following are complementary: · Rankine Cycle Engineering · Instrumentation · Machine Design · Materials · Numerical Methods · Process Scale Up · Chemical Engineering Capability · Pilot Plant Design and Operation · Project Management The critical elements are depth and breadth of analytical and experimental engineering skills, enhanced by creativity, cross-disciplinary problem solving and intuition, coupled with excellent time and project management capability. Wide-ranging design, engineering and operational experience required. Must be able to clearly recognize and communicate scale-up challenges that exist and suggest solutions, timelines and resources required to solve these challenges. Proven multi-functional team leadership and formal presentation skills are required. * * * * * * * * * * Comments? Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
[Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
Re: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
If there were no disclaimers at the Waterways forbidding filming, then, by US law, I believe you may do as you please with your information. I doubt British law is any different. Your still images are a hit on the Village of the Banned forum. Very good! Terry On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
Re: [Vo]:Bayesian network for probabilistic analysis of cold fusion
On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: Johnson, R. and M.E. Melich. Weight of Evidence for the Fleischmann- Pons Effect. in ICCF-14 International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008. Washington, DC. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/JohnsonRweightofev.pdf Interesting sponsor. The authors gratefully acknowledge the support of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency for this work. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:Bayesian network for probabilistic analysis of cold fusion
I wonder if the sponsorship relates to nuclear waste remediation ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Threat_Reduction_Agency . shades of the 'Cincinnati group' ? From: Horace Heffner Johnson, R. and M.E. Melich. Weight of Evidence for the Fleischmann-Pons Effect. in ICCF-14 International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008. Washington, DC. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/JohnsonRweightofev.pdf Interesting sponsor. The authors gratefully acknowledge the support of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency for this work.
Re: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
whats the village of the banned forum? On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: If there were no disclaimers at the Waterways forbidding filming, then, by US law, I believe you may do as you please with your information. I doubt British law is any different. Your still images are a hit on the Village of the Banned forum. Very good! Terry On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
Re: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
Well, I'm thinking, if there were any limitations to filming, the securityguards would've said something. Right? If they weren't doing their job and I got away with photos and video, then too bad - but I think everyone would've just stopped listening to Steorn if they had gone and forbidden any video + photos - it'd be equivalent to them throwing themselves in front of a speeding train. Anyway, my (completely random) Vimeo account is currently being uploaded to, and here's the first video http://vimeo.com/8358720 http://vimeo.com/8356820 - this one is processing, I'm not sure how long it will take, but it's the longest of the lot, about 3 and a half minutes, in which a member of the Steorn 300 (or something, some of you know the more accurate name) is asking about whether the Orbo technology could be upscaled, and mr. Tachoman responds. ok, the 2nd link is now on. check it out. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: If there were no disclaimers at the Waterways forbidding filming, then, by US law, I believe you may do as you please with your information. I doubt British law is any different. Your still images are a hit on the Village of the Banned forum. Very good! Terry On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
Re: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
http://moletrap.co.uk/forum/ On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: whats the village of the banned forum? On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: If there were no disclaimers at the Waterways forbidding filming, then, by US law, I believe you may do as you please with your information. I doubt British law is any different. Your still images are a hit on the Village of the Banned forum. Very good! Terry On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Esa Ruoho esaru...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i've finally gotten around to going through the 4 videos that were recorded on 22nd. 3 of them feature tachoman doing measurements and one of those 3 have him answering questions from someone from the steorn 300. i'm uploading them (for private access right now) to Vimeo, but would like to pose this question: is it okay for me to film a Steorn employee, at a Steorn waterways demonstration, answering questions from other people, and to just post it on Vimeo, without even knowing what his name is? will i get into trouble? and if the general consensus is yes, thats a no-no, could we maybe agree not to string me up for posting the 4 urls on here, take them for what they are, and uhh try and not alert Steorn officials to anything? ?? dunno.. let me know, please. i dont really know where copyright or any of the other stuff works when it comes to any of this? like, whats the general stand on this? is filming him open-season cos he works at Steorn and just happened to be in front of the Orbo i was trying to film, or?
RE: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
Esa, Both vimeo videos came through clean for me. Looks great. Iphone... Good! If you get the chance, could you personally ask someone like Tachoman why Steorn didn't design the ORBO demo device around a high functioning capacitor, as compared to the battery currently used. I think it would really be interesting to get their explanation recorded and then uploaded to a server like vimeo. Just a suggestion. :-) Inquiring minds want to know! One has to assume that Steorn has been reading skeptical commentary. Surely many skeptics have also complained about Steorn's use of the battery. On the surface it seems to be a big strike against Steorn's claims that the device proves it is a functional OU demonstration. Or has Steorn already given an explanation. If so, can someone direct me to the source? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
On 12/23/2009 09:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Esa, Both vimeo videos came through clean for me. Looks great. Iphone... Good! If you get the chance, could you personally ask someone like Tachoman why Steorn didn’t design the ORBO demo device around a high functioning capacitor, as compared to the battery currently used. I think it would really be interesting to get their “explanation” recorded and then uploaded to a server like vimeo. Just a suggestion. :-) Inquiring minds want to know! One has to assume that Steorn has been reading skeptical commentary. Surely many skeptics have also complained about Steorn’s use of the battery. On the surface it seems to be a big strike against Steorn’s claims that the device “proves” it is a functional OU demonstration. Or has Steorn already given an explanation. If so, can someone direct me to the source? As I understand it, they are not claiming that the motor being demonstrated is OU in the sense of more *mechanical* energy out than electrical energy in. Rather, they are claiming that it is a unique design which has no (electromagnetic) back EMF, with voltage drop and current both independent of load, and that, in fact, all input power goes into resistive heating of the coils. Consequently, the mechanical energy which comes out (and which also eventually turns into heat, but that's beside the point) is all free, as a result of which *total* energy out (mechanical + resistive heat) is larger than the electrical energy in. However, whether their claim is true or not, the fact remains that the battery's energy is being dissipated, and a supercap, with smaller capacity than the battery, would just run down faster. That is, at least, the obvious conclusion. Anyhow that's my take on their claim, and the reasoning behind demonstrating the motor with the battery as though it is something more than just a motor run by a battery. Some of the snarkier folks at VOTB have observed that Steorn's claim that all electrical energy goes into heat could be interpreted to mean their motor is essentially 0% efficient, and that they are spinning this to claim its efficiency is greater than 100%. Be that as it may, it's interesting.
[Vo]:Something amusing from Steorn discussion
Or, rather, something amusing from someone at VOTB. See attached image. Full size version is here (it's too big to attach and send to Vortex): http://i47.tinypic.com/j0fl7s.gif That's a perpetual motion machine. The weights are arranged so that they exercise more leverage on the shaft as they fall than when they're raised, which should result in a net clockwise torque. The thing which is interesting about this is that it is an *EXACT* analogy to a magnetic motor (such as what Steorn originally claimed to have), as we will see. The obvious question is Does this thing really work?? There are two ways to analyze it. I) Examine the torque exerted by each weight as it falls, and the torque exerted by each weight as it rises. Make suitable assumptions about the friction and/or gearing of the weights as they flip while going over the top. Count the number of weights in each state at each moment ... and so on and so forth, and when you've analyzed *all* the details, you'll have your answer. But it won't be easy, and it certainly will be easy to get a wrong answer! II) Look at ONE weight, and observe that the (gravitational) energy it takes to lift it to the top of its arc is EXACTLY equal to the energy obtained as it is lowered to the bottom of its path. So, as one weight goes up and comes back down, there's no net energy gain. And that's all we need to know! That's because we know that torque times net rotation equals energy, and if we get an average positive torque out of one weight we'd get energy out too, and we can't, because gravity is conservative. Then, just observe that the forces and torques on the weights and shaft all sum linearly, so if we can't get energy out of one weight, we can't get it out of the system, either. QED. The situation with magmos is, I said, *exactly* analogous. Analyzing any claimed magmo, we can use exactly the same two approaches outlined above: Either we look at all the details (which tend to be hideously complex) in an effort to determine if the sum of the energy involved in all processes comes out to zero or not -- OR, instead, we just observe that we KNOW (from many experiments) how a simple dipole and a wire interact, we know the individual most basic interactions are conservative, and we know (from a very large number of experiments) that the interactions sum *linearly* ... and so we know that the whole system must be conservative. The key here is linear superposition. If there's any evidence that superposition isn't linear, the game's off. But AFAIK there isn't. attachment: perpetual-motion-1-tiny.gif
RE: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
At 09:02 PM 12/23/2009, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Esa, Both vimeo videos came through clean for me. Looks great. Iphone... Good! If you get the chance, could you personally ask someone like Tachoman why Steorn didn't design the ORBO demo device around a high functioning capacitor, as compared to the battery currently used. I think it would really be interesting to get their explanation recorded and then uploaded to a server like vimeo. The demonstration didn't have the generator. In other words, it wasn't a demonstration of the supposed technology that the videos show as a diagram. They were making no attempt to measure the energy stored or provided to the rotor. Nothing quantititative at all except a *claim* that the system was running at 300% efficiency. If it were that high, one would think it easy to make it self-charge. I rather doubt it, to say the least. Otherwise why the great concern for very low friction bearings? You put a generator on that rotor and it's going to have a lot more drag than any reasonable bearing would produce, the bearing drag would become irrelevant. Just a suggestion. :-) Inquiring minds want to know! One has to assume that Steorn has been reading skeptical commentary. Surely many skeptics have also complained about Steorn's use of the battery. On the surface it seems to be a big strike against Steorn's claims that the device proves it is a functional OU demonstration. Or has Steorn already given an explanation. If so, can someone direct me to the source? I don't really see that they are claiming proof. It's just a showing of the technology, with hints. Here is what I derive from the hints and discussion at the Village of the Banned and elsewhere. Note that I don't have necessarily the right terminology. They have a rotor with four permanent magnets arrange at each ninety degree position, pole outward radially. They have four toroid electromagnets with a core that will attract the permanent magnets. When a current flows in the toroid, the core loses its attractiveness to the permanent magnets. By timing the current flow, they can preserve the attraction that accelerates the rotor, while eliminating the attraction that would be a drag. The issue is how much energy it takes to turn off the attraction. The claim that the energy of the battery is entirely dissipated as heat is crucial. If that is true, where is the energy accelerating the rotor coming from? Note that the battery is *not* creating a magnetic field that is attracting the permanent magnets, i.e., this isn't the usual electric motor arrangement. Rather, the battery is quenching the attractiveness of the toroid core. I find it fascinating that this seems to be common knowledge or opinion among those of the Banned. I.e., those who have been closely following this. It seems that Steorn may have revealed the anomaly they are talking about. It would be an alleged mismatch between the energy dissipated in the toriods and the acceleration of the rotor. The user Alsetalokin on http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=552page=1#Item_0, who has a YouTube video that shows how a permanent magnet is attracted to a core, and when the toriod is connected to a battery, the permanent magnet drops. It makes no difference which way the battery is connected. Someone here probably can describe this far better. But I've got, now, an idea of how Orbo is supposed to work. Highly skeptical, I remain. Here is where I think the problem lies. Yes, the current in the toroid, while the magnetic field is constant, and current is constant, is resulting entirely in heat. However, the inductance of the toroid will resist changes in current. Extra work is done to set up the magnetic field initially, the field that neutralizes the attractiveness of the core to the permanent magnets. That is *not* dissipated as heat, it is stored in the field energy. I'm way outside my field, so to speak, so please forgive the language and possible weakness of understanding. But I haven't seen anyone but Alsetalokin discussing this, and even that was oblique, I haven't seen an explicit description of the operating technology.
Re: [Vo]:query for opinions re: video from steorn waterways
At 10:51 PM 12/23/2009, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: As I understand it, they are not claiming that the motor being demonstrated is OU in the sense of more *mechanical* energy out than electrical energy in. Yes. The electrical energy is entirely being dissipated as heat, they claim, it is not accelerating the rotor. I think they are deceiving themselves. Or others or both. But at least we now have an idea of the claim. Rather, they are claiming that it is a unique design which has no (electromagnetic) back EMF, with voltage drop and current both independent of load, and that, in fact, all input power goes into resistive heating of the coils. What they are doing is turning of the attractiveness of the core. Alsetalokin says this: In the Orbo, the coil's field per se does not contribute to the rotor motion directly since it is mostly trapped in the toroidal core, and there is no repulsive modality active (except for the slight coil and lead leakage fields).) EDIT @LC note that this also explains your oscillations. The magnets are attracted to the cores, not the winding's field, so when the power is OFF the thing cogs strongly, and when the power is ON the rotor is freewheeling. From user Angus repeating Alsetalokin: the motor works by switching off the attraction of a magnet to a ferrite by saturating the ferrite. It's not new, (US Pat 5,327,112) , but is perhaps new in a motor? Instead of using the electromagnet to generate force you use it to turn off force - a kind of inside out affair. Back to Stephen: Consequently, the mechanical energy which comes out (and which also eventually turns into heat, but that's beside the point) is all free, as a result of which *total* energy out (mechanical + resistive heat) is larger than the electrical energy in. However, whether their claim is true or not, the fact remains that the battery's energy is being dissipated, and a supercap, with smaller capacity than the battery, would just run down faster. That is, at least, the obvious conclusion. Until they put a generator on the rotor. That's when a supercap would be appropriate, and would demonstrate the effect if it exists and the losses aren't too great. Anyhow that's my take on their claim, and the reasoning behind demonstrating the motor with the battery as though it is something more than just a motor run by a battery. They didn't really explain it, which I find odd in itself. Some of the snarkier folks at VOTB have observed that Steorn's claim that all electrical energy goes into heat could be interpreted to mean their motor is essentially 0% efficient, and that they are spinning this to claim its efficiency is greater than 100%. Be that as it may, it's interesting. There are a lot of criticisms which are completely off. For if it were true that the battery power were going entirely into heat, the motor would certainly be over-unity, so that snarkier person was blowing smoke. However, it only takes a small fraction of the battery power pumping that magnetic field, turning it on and off, if that energy ends up in angular momentum of the rotor, to make the motor obey conservation of energy. If that's the case, then there is no way to extract enough energy from the rotation to keep up the charge on the battery or capacitor.
