[Vo]:Re: Possible solution to the Rossi Ni + p byproduct riddle
Deflation fusion theory provides a potential solution to the riddle of why the radioactive byproducts 59CU29, 61Cu29 and 62Cu29 to the Ni + p reactions do not appear in Rossi's byproducts. This solution of the specific radioactive byproducts problem is manifest if the following rules are obeyed by the environment, except in extremely improbable instances: 1. The initial wavefunction collapse involves the Ni nucleus plus two p* 2. As with all LENR, radioactive byproducts are energetically disallowed. Here p* represents a deflated hydrogen atom, consisting of a proton and electron in a magnetically bound orbital, and v represents a neutrino. The above two rules result in the following energetically feasible reactions: 58Ni28 + 2 p* -- 60Ni28 + 2 v + 18.822 MeV [-0.085] 60Ni28 + 2 p* -- 62Ni28 + 2 v + 16.852 MeV [-1.842] 60Ni28 + 2 p* -- 58Ni28 + 4He2 + 7.909 MeV [-10.786] 60Ni28 + 2 p* -- 61Ni28 + 1H1 + v + 7.038 MeV [-11.657] 61Ni28 + 2 p* -- 62Ni28 + 1H1 + v + 9.814 MeV [-8.777] 62Ni28 + 2 p* -- 64Ni28 + 2 v + 14.931 Mev [-3.560] 62Ni28 + 2 p* -- 64Zn30 + 13.835 MeV [-4.656] 62Ni28 + 2 p* -- 60Ni28 + 4He2 + 9.879 MeV [-8.612] 62Ni28 + 2 p* -- 63Cu29 + 1H1 + 6.122 MeV [-12.369] 62Ni28 + 2 p* -- 59Co27 + 4He2 + 1H1 + 00.346 MeV [-18.145] 64Ni28 + 2 p* -- 66Zn30 + 16.378 MeV [-1.918] 64Ni28 + 2 p* -- 62Ni28 + 4He2 + 11.800 MeV [-6.497] 64Ni28 + 2 p* -- 65Cu29 + 1H1 + 7.453 MeV [-10.843] Ni28 + 2 p* --- 2 1H1 + 0 MeV Note that in the case where the second p* is rejected and results in 1H1, ultimately a hydrogen atom, that the electron and proton are not ejected at the same time. The large positive nuclear charge ejects the proton immediately with approximately 6 MeV kinetic energy. This kind of zero point energy fueled proton ejection should result in detectible brehmstrahlung. This energy is in addition to the mass change energy listed above. The approximately 6 MeV free energy so gained is made up from the zero point field via uncertainty pressure expanding any remaining trapped electron's wavefunction. Such energy may also be obtained from the direct magnetic attraction of a pair of deflated protons, without the aid of a lattice nucleus. This is of the form: p* + P* -- 2 1H1 However, the repulsion of a proton from a proton is far less than from a large nucleus, and the electrons in this case are not trapped when the protons separate. However, some EuV radiation can be expected from the ensemble breakup. A very very small rate of pep reactions may occur: p + p* -- D + e+ + v + 0.42 MeV p* + p* -- D + e- + e+ + v + 0.42 MeV These are followed immediately by: e- + e+ -- 2 gamma + 0.59 MeV and this gamma producing reaction was not observed above background in the Rossi E-cats. The following represent energetically feasible initial strong reactions based on deflation fusion theory: Compare to 18.822 MeV: 58Ni28 + p* -- 59Cu29 * + 3.419 MeV [-4.867 MeV] 58Ni28 + 2 p* -- 56Ni28 * + 4He2 + 5.829 MeV [-10.650 MeV] 58Ni28 + 2 p* -- 60Zn30 * + 8.538 MeV [-7.941 MeV] Compare to: 16.852 MeV: 60Ni28 + p* -- 61Cu29 * + 4.801 MeV [-3.394 MeV] 60Ni28 + 2 p* -- 58Ni28 + 4He2 + 7.909 MeV [-8.391 MeV] 60Ni28 + 2 p* -- 62Zn30 * + 11.277 MeV [-5.022 MeV] Compare to: 9.814 MeV 61Ni28 + p* -- 58Co27 * + 4He2 + 00.489 MeV [-7.661 MeV] 61Ni28 + p* -- 62Cu29 * + 5.866 MeV [-2.284 MeV] 61Ni28 + 2 p* -- 59Ni28 * + 4He2 + 9.088 MeV [-7.125 MeV] 61Ni28 + 2 p* -- 62Cu29 * + 1H1 + 5.866 MeV [-10.347 MeV] 61Ni28 + 2 p* -- 63Zn30 * + 12.570 MeV [-3.643 MeV] Compare to: 14.931 Mev 62Ni28 + p* -- 59Co27 + 4He2 + 00.346 MeV [-7.760 MeV] 62Ni28 + p* -- 63Cu29 + 6.122 MeV [-1.984 MeV] 62Ni28 + 2 p* -- 64Zn30 + 13.835 MeV [-2.293 MeV] Compare to: 16.378 MeV 64Ni28 + p* -- 65Cu29 + 7.453 MeV [-0.569 MeV] 64Ni28 + 2 p* -- 66Zn30 + 16.378 MeV [00.415 MeV] In all cases the net reaction energies of the proposed reactions exceed those the net energies from reactions that produce radioactive isotopes. This makes rule 2 reasonable and understandable on an energy only basis. The mechanism that enforces the rule is more difficult to understand. Understanding the mechanism requires understanding the initial energy deficit due to the trapped electron. This deficit is shown in brackets above. This deficit provides a limit to how far an energetically ejected electron can travel out of the coulomb well before being pulled back. If an electron is in the nucleus at the site of the initial reaction, then a large part of the energy that normally goes into ejecting a gamma goes into ejecting the trapped electron. However, given that this energy is insufficient, the electron has numerous delayed passes through the nucleus in which to effect a weak reaction. The electron, when outside the nucleus and accelerating, is free to radiate large numbers of gammas in much smaller than normal
[Vo]: Resonances...
I'll get to Robin's two questions at the end, but first this important clue... The following is peer-reviewed proof (published in Science and Nature Photonics) that a high energy photon can be converted to a lower energy photon with the 'missing' energy coupled into the lattice (physical vibration)... == excerpt The researchers, from Oxford University, National University of Singapore, and National Research Council of Canada, also sought to exploit another property of diamond: it tends to scatter light in such a way that a photon striking it can be converted to a lower energy photon, with the remaining energy being converted into a vibration. This vibration or 'ringing' in the diamond crystal can be detected using a laser. 'We sent bursts of laser light through both diamonds,' Ian tells me. 'Most of the time the light would travel straight through the crystals but sometimes the light would dump some energy in one of the crystals, setting it ringing, and the light would then emerge with less energy - a lower frequency.' == The way I read this is EXACTLY what I proposed a week ago... that the gammas (or other high-energy photons) which the mainstream has been using to say LENR is bogus, ARE generated, but they deposit their energy a little at a time as they are moving through the Pd/D or NI/H lattice. The UNUSUAL conditions which are present inside the metal lattice form areas which act like an energy 'SINK', draining the gammas until they cease to exist because they've deposited all their energy into the lattice. If they do make it to the outer edge of the Pd or Ni, they might appear as photons, but as much lower energy photons. Have any CF'ers ever looked for much lower E photons? Now for Robin's questions... On 12/8 at 1:28pm, Robin asked: Two new questions: 1) What part of such an ensemble is resonant with gamma rays (of what energies?), and why? 2) If such ensembles are fleeting, then one might expect at least some gamma rays to escape, yet few to none are detected? Well, the 'ensembles' (to use your term) that I'm talking about are not found in normal matter, or only for very fleeting moments and very sparse at that, thus, the probability of any gammas even encountering one is extremely remote. However, I think we all agree the a metal lattice loaded to near 1:1 with H or D is NOT normal. I'm proposing that the UNUSUAL/RARE conditions which are conducive to LENR effects, create more long-lived and spatially larger ensembles, thus, drastically increasing the likelihood of interactions with gammas... these ensembles then act as energy-sinks, or quantum-sinks, and drain the hi-E photons (a quantum at a time?) until all the photon's energy has been converted to lattice vibration... What are the lattice vibrations REALLY CAUSED by?? Atoms out of balance. Again, you have to forget the Bohr-model and 'orbiting' electrons... there are real oscillations of some medium, and those oscillations have momentum, so if I add just one quantum of energy (momentum) to a balanced atom, that energy is coupled into only ONE of the oscillators, and the momentums of the individual oscillations that make up that atom are now out of balance. Just like your car tire when it's not balanced, there are certain speeds at which the unbalanced momentum is resonant with the angular velocity of the tire and the tire begins to bounce quite violently... I think everyone has seen this on the car next to them when driving on the freeway. This ties in with Alchemy as well, and the very difficult time LENR scientists had with repeatability... conditions HAVE TO BE JUST RIGHT, or else the effect does not manifest. Each atom is a complex system of coupled oscillators, each oscillator has momentum. Cool the atom down to 0 K, and what happens? BEC when all oscillators have EXACTLY the same amount of energy... the same amount of momentum... imagine 20 different oscillators with varying frequencies... and being able to adjust the frequencies so they all end up with the same frequency, and come into sync with each other. A single quantum of 'heat' is UNBALANCING because it does not spread out its energy equally to all the individual oscillations in an atom. It only gets coupled into one, and perhaps can jump from one to another. But that addition of energy (momentum) to one oscillator at a time causes that one to be slightly different from the others and that causes unbalanced momentum, and that manifests as PHYSICAL vibration of the entire atom. So much more comes to mind, but must do some work and then get to bed... g'nite all! -Mark attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
Thane posted a new video on dec.14. He says he is going to install the prototype shown in an electric scooter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dme4bW2fPhQ Harry On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I think I've watched all of Thane's vids and from what I remember, there is a lower limit (RPM) where the acceleration will not happen, but if you start at, or above, that RPM, then shorting the coils causes very significant acceleration (IIRC, 100rpm/sec) from say 1700 RPM to over 3000. I wouldn't be surprised if it would continue to well past 3400 which is double where he started from... not sure what to make of it yet! At one point he was using two different types of coils, hi-frequency coils and hi-current coils; not sure if his latest stuff is still using both types. Just engaging the high current coils to light a bank of small incandescent bulbs WILL bring the induction motor to a HALT. Engaging the high current coils AND the hi-frequency coils results in not only lighting the bulbs, but a very large increase in speed which he limits to ~3000-3100 RPM. Go figure? -Mark
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
On 2011-12-17 05:10, David ledin wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/16/shells-interest-indicates-major-shift-for-lenr/?utm_medium=twitterutm_source=NewEnergyTimesBlog In the comments: Steven B. Krivit says: December 17, 2011 at 00:21 Received via e–mail: I ask you take down the blog about Shell. That was privileged information for the CMNS group, and it’s disclosure is highly inappropriate. Thank you, Ed Beardsworth. PS… I am not a venture capitalist. While it's nice that now the general public knows, unwanted actions like this might prevent in the future disclosure of important LENR-related information to small groups like the CMNS mailing list. I hope Krivit realizes this. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:e-cat replication by Celani
I've been informed of another typo/mistranslation. Celani has been working with (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuliano_Preparata) friend of Eugene Mallove http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq6YY8eFeYIfeature=related one of the first mainstream science's physicist that believed in cold fusion and worked with Martin Fleischmann in Milan in the late 90's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35T-gAvaKn4: According to Celani the reaction between Ni and H would be catalyzed by PHONONS http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonone . The phonons are not particles but the points where it contacts the thermal-electromagnetic waves in phase, produced by thermal agitation in the lattice of nickel. Are points of summation of multiple heat waves produced by a variety of nickel atoms that vibrate at the same frequency ... these frequencies would provide hydrogen (as HYDRIDES?) the ability to overcome the Coulomb barrier http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barriera_di_Coulomb and make the merger of its proton to the core of nickel (as I understand it). [Editor's note. I'm asking Celani verification of this and other points of his speech] The power density is very high, and some of his reactions Celani has exceeded 1400 watts per gram of nickel, which is higher than that of uranium fission in the cladding Zirconium.Although Celani you hear talk about technological reality, as it has exceeded 200% yield (ie COP=2) for two weeks. Celani has worked very hard with the great Japanese scientist Arata. The Japanese government has funded plenty of not only the research but also those of three foreign groups who have had full access to the laboratory by Arata. Celani was able to perform various types of experiment and measurement, even the craziest. Among these groups was that of MIT and INFN (Italian national institute of Nuclear Physics; Celani et al). Worked with the Arata DEUTERIUM ... but as the import and production of Deuterium prohibited by the peace agreements had to self-refine it with the sulfur-iodine cycle http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciclo_zolfo-iodio . Arata was also excess power of 60 watts, which is easily measurable. The improvement over Fleishman and Pons was when he abandoned the traditional Arata electrode foil. Not only that, the best layers were not perfectly flat, shiny but rather rough, porous, etc.. In short, had to increase the surface area of contact between palladium and deuterium. When he returned to Italy, Celani modified experiments (*along with Professor Giuliano Preparata*) and began to use wires of nickel and hydrogen at high pressure (eliminating water, oxygen and ' Oxonianhttp://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/ossonio/ ) He realized that the power increased by using highly porous nickel. He returned to Japan. There Arata began to experiment with nickel of every size possible. He found that the nickel nanopowder in aggregates of less than 20 Ångström you had the best reactions. Indeed, the reaction took place (although not as powerful) even at room temperature. As for gammas they are an end product of the reaction, not desired by Celani, that you can do without. By applying radio frequency (microwave) to dust (I did not know whether that of Rossi or his), he had a massive production of gamma rays, which Celani does not want and does not consider useful. As the catalyst for him are metals such as platinum or palladium (must resist the micro-points where the heat reaches thousands of degrees, ionizing hydrogen) Celani comes to scientific reality PROCESS. Celani says that the Greeks of today have passed Defaklion Rossi, from the technological point of view. [Editor's note. others believe that Defkalion has put together a nice frame and a beautiful body ... but do not have the engine]. He says that this attitude of secrecy is stupid [ed. Celani is understandably affected by a) not being invited to the demonstration of 28 October and 2) the negative response to the proposal of Rossi independent testing under the aegis of INFN], and in the end, continue along this road will not have the triumph of science and industrial deserves it. According to Celani, Rossi arrives to yield around 600%.
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 4:56 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: While it's nice that now the general public knows, unwanted actions like this might prevent in the future disclosure of important LENR-related information to small groups like the CMNS mailing list. I hope Krivit realizes this. I don't think this is the first time SK has violated his confidentiality agreement with the CMNS group. They have the right to boot him you know. Not sure that is in their best interest, tho. I visited the Gamechanger site and thought that, since RDS is willing to invest in LENR, they might be willing to give Miley the $50k that Jed mentioned to replicate Rossi. It's cheaper than buying an eCat: http://www.shell.com/home/content/innovation/innovative_thinking/game_changer/submit_idea/ T
Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Thane posted a new video on dec.14. He says he is going to install the prototype shown in an electric scooter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dme4bW2fPhQ Installing free energy devices into vehicles instead of properly testing them for example on a dynamometer and by self running without a battery, is the typical modus operandi of scammers and self deceivers. The other hallmark of a scam is measuring power with simple digital meters when the likely waveform is complex and spikey. Those features are absolutely classical of the sort of nonsense perpetrated by the likes of Dennis Lee (convicted felon) and Bedini. What is supposed to be happening in that weird cluttered demo in the Youtube video?
RE: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
From Akira, On 2011-12-17 05:10, David ledin wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/16/shells-interest-indicates- major-shift-for-lenr/?utm_medium=twitterutm_source=NewEnergyTimesBlog In the comments: Steven B. Krivit says: December 17, 2011 at 00:21 Received via e-mail: I ask you take down the blog about Shell. That was privileged information for the CMNS group, and it's disclosure is highly inappropriate. Thank you, Ed Beardsworth. PS. I am not a venture capitalist. While it's nice that now the general public knows, unwanted actions like this might prevent in the future disclosure of important LENR-related information to small groups like the CMNS mailing list. I hope Krivit realizes this. It's my understanding that the CMNS group includes a number of scientists and researchers who feel the need to maintain a sense of anonymity. Anonymity allows the exclusive membership to discuss certain matters without fear of the unpredictable actions of outside influences. It's my understanding that Mr. Krivit has shown a long history of violating the wishes of the CMNS membership by posting information that originated there, information that was privately discussed there. I'm curious as to how Mr. Krivit gets this information since I would assume the CMNS membership would never have granted Krivit direct access to their group in the first place. This leads me to assume that Mr. Krivit must have his sources who must feel some sense of sympathy for him. There exists a philosophy that claims anything posted out on the Internet should be considered in the public domain. Therefore, the argument goes, anything that is posted in any group should keep in mind how their post might go down (or be interpreted) if the contents accidentally leak out into the public domain. This is, in fact, a philosophy I try to remind myself of daily whenever I post (or email) anything. Nevertheless, and with that said, Mr. Krivit has consistently violated the wishes of the privately maintained CMNS group. He appears to show little respect on the matter of honoring or respecting their wishes. Hopefully, Mr. Krivit realizes that such actions on his part has a tendency to backfire. It will isolate himself from many sources that will refuse to cooperate (or be open) with him in the future. He should also not expect that others will necessarily feel honor bound to respect mattes of privacy that he might have personally preferred to be kept confidential. I realize that should Mr. Krivit read this post of mine it's possible that he might choose to interpret it as a thinly veiled threat of some kind. (or perhaps not... I don't know.) I can only say that as a former NET BoD member working for Krivit it's been my experience that Mr. Krivt has occasionally shown a tendency to feel personally threatened by how he personally interprets the way others perceive him. To be honest I've already said enough about my personal experiences of working with Mr. Krivit. There's really not much more I can say. Krivit has his good traits, and unfortunately a few bad traits as well. But then, that pretty much goes for everyone on the planet. Myself included. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
From Terry: I don't think this is the first time SK has violated his confidentiality agreement with the CMNS group. They have the right to boot him you know. Not sure that is in their best interest, tho. Wow! Krivit actually IS a member of the CMNS group? I didn't know that! I'm surprised they haven't booted him, even if it might not be in their best interests to do so. I think I would have. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Wow! Krivit actually IS a member of the CMNS group? I didn't know that! Neither do I. I presumed that he was since he has done much to advance the field. I contacted the group and asked how to join. They need a referral from an existing member. I know Jed was once a member; but, was chastised for discussing something said on the group. I believe he left the group saying he did not want to be a party of discussions that could not be open, IIRC. Me, I wouldn't want to be a part of a group who would have me as a member. :-) T
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
How can I become a member of that group? 2011/12/17 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:30 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Wow! Krivit actually IS a member of the CMNS group? I didn't know that! Neither do I. I presumed that he was since he has done much to advance the field. I contacted the group and asked how to join. They need a referral from an existing member. I know Jed was once a member; but, was chastised for discussing something said on the group. I believe he left the group saying he did not want to be a party of discussions that could not be open, IIRC. Me, I wouldn't want to be a part of a group who would have me as a member. :-) T -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Neither do I. I presumed that he was since he has done much to advance the field. I really should say that he has done much to advance the awareness of LENR. Recently he might have done more to obfuscate the research. T
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
On 2011-12-17 17:38, Terry Blanton wrote: [...] Me, I wouldn't want to be a part of a group who would have me as a member. :-) Personally I think I would find very interesting to even just read (I don't think I'd even dare trying to post, to be honest!) what's going on there, even if I wouldn't be allowed to repost that information publicly elsewhere. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: How can I become a member of that group? By invitation or referral of an existing member: http://groups.google.com/group/condensedmatterdiscussion-?lnk= Bon chance! T
Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
MY, that is a violation worse than any Newton's law. EM do not generally obey any Newton's law because even at low energies it is sensitive to Lorentz invariance. So, a violation of Lenz law strongly implies violation of the constancy of the speed of light or violation of causality or violation of conservation of energy-momentum. 2011/12/17 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote: Thane posted a new video on dec.14. He says he is going to install the prototype shown in an electric scooter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dme4bW2fPhQ Installing free energy devices into vehicles instead of properly testing them for example on a dynamometer and by self running without a battery, is the typical modus operandi of scammers and self deceivers. The other hallmark of a scam is measuring power with simple digital meters when the likely waveform is complex and spikey. Those features are absolutely classical of the sort of nonsense perpetrated by the likes of Dennis Lee (convicted felon) and Bedini. What is supposed to be happening in that weird cluttered demo in the Youtube video? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
So, what I have to do is, for example, publish a paper in a peer reviewed journal with relevance to LENR and contact someone there, is that it? 2011/12/17 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: How can I become a member of that group? By invitation or referral of an existing member: http://groups.google.com/group/condensedmatterdiscussion-?lnk= Bon chance! T -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Royal Dutch Shell will invest in lenr research
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: So, what I have to do is, for example, publish a paper in a peer reviewed journal with relevance to LENR and contact someone there, is that it? It would certainly help to demonstrate some knowledge in the field before requesting membership. I think this is a forum of information exchange among experts. T
Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: MY, that is a violation worse than any Newton's law. EM do not generally obey any Newton's law because even at low energies it is sensitive to Lorentz invariance. So, a violation of Lenz law strongly implies violation of the constancy of the speed of light or violation of causality or violation of conservation of energy-momentum. Uhhun. Are you writing about Thane? From the video, it looks to me he is simply connecting a battery-driven motor to a generator and trying to make energy by using the generator to recharge the battery-- a silly attempt to get perpetual motion that most people outgrow by the time they're 12 years old. Did I miss something?
Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
About anything that claims over unity concerning violations of the EM field. 2011/12/17 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: MY, that is a violation worse than any Newton's law. EM do not generally obey any Newton's law because even at low energies it is sensitive to Lorentz invariance. So, a violation of Lenz law strongly implies violation of the constancy of the speed of light or violation of causality or violation of conservation of energy-momentum. Uhhun. Are you writing about Thane? From the video, it looks to me he is simply connecting a battery-driven motor to a generator and trying to make energy by using the generator to recharge the battery-- a silly attempt to get perpetual motion that most people outgrow by the time they're 12 years old. Did I miss something? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]: Resonances...
On Dec 17, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: [snip] This ties in with Alchemy as well, and the very difficult time LENR scientists had with repeatability... conditions HAVE TO BE JUST RIGHT, or else the effect does not manifest. This should tell you something about this kind of downshifting theory, as well as the Chubb theories, and WL theory. In many cases the LENR reactions have been determined to occur at or very near the surface. This presents two major problems: (1) there is not enough material between the reaction site and the surface to screen gammas by the means suggested, and (2) the surfaces of cathodes are typically very dirty, hardly a pristine lattice. Proof of the ability of a very thin film surface layer to screen high energy gammas by collective action should be relatively easy to obtain. All that is required is a an x-ray tube, an x-ray flux meter, and an x-ray transparent medium on which the surface film is deposited and operated under the proposed conditions. Cold fusion as been proposed to be enhanced by nanostructures. A surface layer of nanoparticles one deep should be capable of producing LENR. If so, such a layer should not be capable of suppressing MeV level gammas - yet it should be feasible to test for high energy particles or gammas. I know of no one proposing a collective action which bridges nanoparticle gaps. I think it is much more probable that high energy nuclear radiation is suppressed or downshifted before it leaves the reacting nucleus excited state. It seems to me the state of nuclei undergoing LENR is necessarily de-energized a priori, i.e. before the energy of fusion is released. An obvious mechanism to achieve this a priori de- energizing is one or more electrons in the reacting nucleus before the nuclear reaction occurs. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]: Resonances...
Morning Horace! Thx for the thoughtful commentary... I am not suggesting that the ensembles that act as the energy sinks are all over, or take up large areas of the material... they are localized, and perhaps act as a 'cage' which contains the hi-E photon until it dissipates its E into the lattice (electron oscillators). RE: the criticism that it would be hard to shield the gammas if ejected very close to the surface... 1) unless the preferred direction of ejection is either parallel to, or in the opposite direction of the 'outside'. That preferred direction being caused by the loading of the H or D, which is more likely uniform closer to the surface, and thus, generates the most regular/coherent layer which acts as the energy sink. There is also some explanation in #2) below which also applies to this criticism. RE: the surface being 'dirty', less than pristine... 2) when looked at macroscopically, you are right, but I think the evidence is that the active sites of LENR are very small, and so when one considers that, it's not so much of a stretch to see numerous SMALL localized areas which present extremely pristine/uniform conditions. I do understand your point that the energy being reduced or downshifted probably occurs inside the nucleus... and I may need to incorporate that idea into my physical model, however, it's still about resonances... and when certain elements within the atom come into resonance, which requires very specific conditions, things happen which are outside the standard model. How does one explain the observation that the energy involved with interactions of electrons is a million times less than nuclear interactions, and yet the 'electric' charges are 'equal' (and opposite). I would argue that there is no 'electric charge'; charge cannot be separated from the e or p 'objects'. IS the concept of 'charge', and thus, attraction and repulsion, simply a function of the harmonic relationships (or lack thereof) between the e- and p+ oscillators? e- oscillators are simply at a different octave; are the different e- shells also different octaves? The whole concept of 'charge' was used as a PRACTICAL model, and was developed when instrumentation was extremely crude compared to modern times. I've been working on a PHYSICAL explanation for numerous observations. Positing that we are dealing with coupled oscillators then, would it not be possible to increase/decrease the oscillation/vibration frequency of the e-/p+ until they are harmonically related in such a way that the e-'s energy gets 'sucked into' that of the p+ to create a n, and a small residual (v). Or is it that the small residual (v) amount of energy gets ejected first, thus causing a special harmonic relationship between e and p with the e's energy being sucked into the p? Ho, Ho, Ho! -Mark -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:23 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Resonances... On Dec 17, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: [snip] This ties in with Alchemy as well, and the very difficult time LENR scientists had with repeatability... conditions HAVE TO BE JUST RIGHT, or else the effect does not manifest. This should tell you something about this kind of downshifting theory, as well as the Chubb theories, and WL theory. In many cases the LENR reactions have been determined to occur at or very near the surface. This presents two major problems: (1) there is not enough material between the reaction site and the surface to screen gammas by the means suggested, and (2) the surfaces of cathodes are typically very dirty, hardly a pristine lattice. Proof of the ability of a very thin film surface layer to screen high energy gammas by collective action should be relatively easy to obtain. All that is required is a an x-ray tube, an x-ray flux meter, and an x-ray transparent medium on which the surface film is deposited and operated under the proposed conditions. Cold fusion as been proposed to be enhanced by nanostructures. A surface layer of nanoparticles one deep should be capable of producing LENR. If so, such a layer should not be capable of suppressing MeV level gammas - yet it should be feasible to test for high energy particles or gammas. I know of no one proposing a collective action which bridges nanoparticle gaps. I think it is much more probable that high energy nuclear radiation is suppressed or downshifted before it leaves the reacting nucleus excited state. It seems to me the state of nuclei undergoing LENR is necessarily de-energized a priori, i.e. before the energy of fusion is released. An obvious mechanism to achieve this a priori de- energizing is one or more electrons in the reacting nucleus before the nuclear reaction occurs. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]: Resonances...
On Dec 17, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: How does one explain the observation that the energy involved with interactions of electrons is a million times less than nuclear interactions, and yet the 'electric' charges are 'equal' (and opposite). I would argue that there is no 'electric charge'; charge cannot be separated from the e or p 'objects'. I think this is primarily a matter of the *range* of the interactions. If you look at the deflated states you can see the electron involved has a mass similar to that of the nucleating particle, be it proton, deuteron, or quark. The physical parameters of these states are shown in approximate form here: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FusionSpreadDualRel.pdf http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/DeflateP1.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FusionUpQuark.pdf I had hoped to develop a more accurate and dynamic model, with compensation for the distribution of charge in the particle wavefunction, but this has been on a back burner for some years now. At close range extremely high velocities and relativistic gammas are involved. For example, the proton mass to electron mass ratio is given as 1.06983, and its gamma is 2.62791e+4. Further, the presence of an electron in a Ni nucleus diminishes its electro-magnetic field mass-energy by MeV levels. Another consideration may be that a large portion of the binding energy of a nucleus can be shown to be due to the Casimir force. This is an electromagnetic effect, and one not fully appraised in typical models of the nucleus I think. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
Seems a door has been opened for me to visit the Defkalion Hyperion factory in Greece: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4811#p4811 http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4812#p4812
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
How do you figure that from those posts? I'll believe it when you have an appointment, a specific agenda to test something by a particular method, and a street address. Until then it's vapor and not steam. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Seems a door has been opened for me to visit the Defkalion Hyperion factory in GreeceSNIP
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
PS: If you do get to enter their place, you will be the first person **ever** to see the Hyperion device outside of maybe Defkalion staff and people who couldn't talk about it. If there is a device, of course. Be sure to take your hidden camera -- these days those are simple as a slightly larger than normal writing pen or a pair of ordinary looking eye glasses.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
What no comment on the SPAWAR presentation? No comments these people did not know how to measure what they were observing or that someone faked the results? While there is nothing wrong with holding an agnostic view of LENR, you cross the line and loose objectiveness when you have an agenda that assumes fraud. As you seem to be interested in seeking out fraud, maybe you can comment on why MIT faked their data when they replicated PF and claimed they found nothing when in fact they found PF's cell did produce excess heat. Check out page 12: http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/mitcfreport.pdf On 12/18/2011 7:55 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: PS: If you do get to enter their place, you will be the first person **ever** to see the Hyperion device outside of maybe Defkalion staff and people who couldn't talk about it. If there is a device, of course. Be sure to take your hidden camera -- these days those are simple as a slightly larger than normal writing pen or a pair of ordinary looking eye glasses.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
Whoa there. Can you stick a subject for a second? What in the world makes you think Defkalion offered you a real opportunity to visit? How's it going with the schedule for Rossi to deliver a suitable thermal plant to connect to your generator? With respect to SPAWAR, the main thing I know about them is that their CR-39 tracks have been reproduced by a non-neutron process. I forget the details but apparently they screwed the pooch on that one. Not sure what else there is. I am not even sure what presentation you mean. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: What no comment on the SPAWAR presentation?
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc On 12/18/2011 8:43 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: Whoa there. Can you stick a subject for a second? What in the world makes you think Defkalion offered you a real opportunity to visit? How's it going with the schedule for Rossi to deliver a suitable thermal plant to connect to your generator? With respect to SPAWAR, the main thing I know about them is that their CR-39 tracks have been reproduced by a non-neutron process. I forget the details but apparently they screwed the pooch on that one. Not sure what else there is. I am not even sure what presentation you mean. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: What no comment on the SPAWAR presentation?
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: What no comment on the SPAWAR presentation? Brief search shows: Our results do not provide a positive identification of the origin of SPAWAR pits. However, they do show that chemical origin is a distinct possibility and therefore that nuclear origin is not a certainty. http://www.earthtech.org/CR39/index.html
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
The video linked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc was made May 29, 2009, well after the EarthTech web page you linked and shows neutron interactions inside the CR-39 film. You really do need to watch the whole video. On 12/18/2011 8:46 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: What no comment on the SPAWAR presentation? Brief search shows: Our results do not provide a positive identification of the origin of SPAWAR pits.However, they do show that chemical origin is a distinct possibility and therefore that nuclear origin is not a certainty. http://www.earthtech.org/CR39/index.html
RE: [Vo]: Resonances...
Thx Horace... I peruse your stuff over the holidays. Now more interesting clues that we're dealing with resonance/harmonics... -mark = Golden ratio hints at hidden atomic symmetry Jan. 7, 2010 Courtesy Helmholtz Association of German Research Centres and World Science staff By tuning the system the researchers found that the chain of atoms acts like a guitar string whose tension comes from interaction between the spins of the constituent particles. For these interactions we found a series, or scale, of resonant notes, said Radu Coldea of Oxford University, who led the research. The first two notes show a perfect relationship with each other, added Coldea, principle author of a paper on the findings to appear in the Jan. 8 issue of the research journal Science. The pitch of these notes, or their frequencies of vibration, are in a ratio of about 1.618, the same as the golden ratio famous from art and architecture, he continued. If two numbers are related by the golden ratio, their sum is also related to the larger of them by the golden ratio. In other words, if A divided by B is that special number, then A+B divided by A is the same number. = -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Resonances... On Dec 17, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: How does one explain the observation that the energy involved with interactions of electrons is a million times less than nuclear interactions, and yet the 'electric' charges are 'equal' (and opposite). I would argue that there is no 'electric charge'; charge cannot be separated from the e or p 'objects'. I think this is primarily a matter of the *range* of the interactions. If you look at the deflated states you can see the electron involved has a mass similar to that of the nucleating particle, be it proton, deuteron, or quark. The physical parameters of these states are shown in approximate form here: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FusionSpreadDualRel.pdf http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/DeflateP1.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FusionUpQuark.pdf I had hoped to develop a more accurate and dynamic model, with compensation for the distribution of charge in the particle wavefunction, but this has been on a back burner for some years now. At close range extremely high velocities and relativistic gammas are involved. For example, the proton mass to electron mass ratio is given as 1.06983, and its gamma is 2.62791e+4. Further, the presence of an electron in a Ni nucleus diminishes its electro-magnetic field mass-energy by MeV levels. Another consideration may be that a large portion of the binding energy of a nucleus can be shown to be due to the Casimir force. This is an electromagnetic effect, and one not fully appraised in typical models of the nucleus I think. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research
I am sorry to report that the authorities have finally closed down cold fusion research at SAPWAR. After Frank Gordon left, the project was on life support. Recent reports on Fox News and elsewhere mentioned it, bringing about the inevitable coup de grace. Like most cold fusion projects, this was a shoestring or bootlegged operation. It was done by retired researchers such as Szpak, and others working nights and weekends. The equipment was scavenged or bought by private individuals. But, as we all know, people opposed to cold fusion will not tolerate any project, even if it costs essentially nothing. Academic freedom means nothing to them. It never occurs to them they might be wrong, because -- Like Park and Yugo -- they have read nothing and they know nothing. They make no distinction between cold fusion and a perpetual motion machines or water memory. Any research they disagree with *must not be allowed*, period. Whenever cold fusion appears in the mass media I shudder, because I know it will trigger a backlash. Cold fusion researchers keep a low profile for a good reason. They know perfectly well that when some nitwit such as Krivit reveals there may be a source of funding, or a project being organized, that will trigger opposition. Robert Park will pull strings. Others will organize letter-writing campaigns. Mary Yugo will publish unfounded accusations of fraud and guilt by association. You can see the dynamic at work in this article, where someone is trying to shut down NASA interest in cold fusion: Why is NASA Langley Wasting Time on Cold Fusion Research? http://nasawatch.com/archives/2011/12/why-is-nasa-lan.html The people in charge of the Navy and the DoE know nothing about cold fusion, and they do not care about it. When they get letters from scientists or members of the public saying someone in your organization is committing fraud they do not ask questions. They close it down, whatever it is. Their main concern is their public image with the taxpayers. The last thing they need is to be accused of countenancing academic fraud or crazy research. This has been happening for 22 years. Given this environment, it is surprising that cold fusion survived at all. Dozens of projects such as this one and the one at MIT were crushed, mostly without ever being allowed to publish anything, and without any knowledge by the public. I knew about the MIT project described by Stolper because Gene Mallove was involved, and he was reporting to me. I was helping to fund things like this. No one else ever learned about it because it worked. Any time positive results are achieved, the opposition will pull out the stops to have the researchers fired or pushed into final retirement. That's how it works. That is why I and others gave up even trying to establish projects at major institutions years ago. We know how it will end. That is why I think there no hope of funding Miley et al., and no point. Sure it would be important work. But it is not worth getting some poor grad student in trouble, or ruining her career prospects. The results will be bottled up, the grad student's reputation torn to shreds by nitwits, and the mass media will report only lies and distortions. Yeah, I may get another informal positive result I can upload to LENR-CANR.org, but that is not worth destroying someone's career. It won't change anything. Fortunately, Rossi and Defkalion are privately funded and immune to interference. Rossi is well aware of how academic politics work in the U.S. That is one of the reasons he has not made much of an effort to work with universities and national labs. Even if they get positive results, it will be reported as a failure and fraud. That is what happened to the National Cold Fusion Institute, and the Japanese NEDO project. When Miles demonstrated heat at the NEDO over a few weeks, the scientifically trained bureaucrats in charge, who were in the same building, *refused to get up, walk down the hall, and look*. Talk about willful ignorance! Mary Yugo has nothing on them. They were busy writing a report saying that no positive results were achieved. They published that in Japanese soon after Miles left and the project was shut down. Perhaps they hoped Miles would not read it. Miles, being no fool, sent it to me, and I translated it. He was pretty upset but not surprised. As someone remarked the fix was in from the start. It could not be more blatant. Their job was to lie, stick the knife into the project, and prevent any other research. In his book, Huizenga bragged that was his assignment, and he was proud of how well he did it. The 2004 DoE review was also a charade. It was clear beforehand it would be a joke, or parlor trick, not a serious review. That is why Storms refused to participate, and why I told the participants beforehand, beware of what you wish for. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit?
So adept at stating the obvious. You're about as useful as tits on a bullfrog. -m From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion factory visit? How do you figure that from those posts? I'll believe it when you have an appointment, a specific agenda to test something by a particular method, and a street address. Until then it's vapor and not steam. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Seems a door has been opened for me to visit the Defkalion Hyperion factory in GreeceSNIP
Re: [Vo]: Resonances...
At 04:00 AM 12/17/2011, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: I'll get to Robin's two questions at the end, but first this important clue... The following is peer-reviewed proof (published in Science and Nature Photonics) that a high energy photon can be converted to a lower energy photon with the 'missing' energy coupled into the lattice (physical vibration)... Uh, higher energy. These are laser-generated photons, not gamma rays! Here is a review of the articles: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-12-vibration-entangled-diamonds.html == excerpt The researchers, from Oxford University, National University of Singapore, and National Research Council of Canada, also sought to exploit another property of diamond: it tends to scatter light in such a way that a photon striking it can be converted to a lower energy photon, with the remaining energy being converted into a vibration. This vibration or 'ringing' in the diamond crystal can be detected using a laser. 'We sent bursts of laser light through both diamonds,' Ian tells me. 'Most of the time the light would travel straight through the crystals but sometimes the light would dump some energy in one of the crystals, setting it ringing, and the light would then emerge with less energy - a lower frequency.' Notice: most of the time the light would travel straight through the crystals. The way I read this is EXACTLY what I proposed a week ago... that the gammas (or other high-energy photons) which the mainstream has been using to say LENR is bogus, ARE generated, but they deposit their energy a little at a time as they are moving through the Pd/D or NI/H lattice. Okay, but. Gammas will lose energy travelling through the lattice, it will end up as heat. There is a serious problem here, being glossed over by enthusiasm. Gammas of a certain energy will mostly penetrate the palladium lattice, and this has, I'd bet, been studied. The NAE is almost certainly on or very near the surface, from where helium is found. The gammas will mostly escape, unless they head inward, which perhaps half of them would. Imagining how *all* of the gammas would be absorbed is what's quite a stretch here. If the main reaction generates gammas, they would be copious. Instead, if there are any, they are difficult to detect and establish. The UNUSUAL conditions which are present inside the metal lattice form areas which act like an energy 'SINK', draining the gammas until they cease to exist because they've deposited all their energy into the lattice. If they do make it to the outer edge of the Pd or Ni, they might appear as photons, but as much lower energy photons. This is quite unlikely. Half the gammas would be oriented outward, presumably. If something about the NAE orients the gammas inward (maybe!), then there would be higher absorption. We might be looking for 24 MeV gammas. That would penetrate a lot of palladium, my guess. Anyone know the numbers? Have any CF'ers ever looked for much lower E photons? I found a shortage of evidence on this. One might think there would be visible light, at least, but I've seen no record of detection of light coming from a CF cathode. EUV is quite possible, and we have discussed how one might look for EUV emissions. It's not simple. EUV is suspected, I think, from the excited Be-8 nucleus before it fissions, in Takahashi's theory. The fission dumps about 100 KeV into two He-4 nuclei, but electrons would be included in the energy distribution, four of them. This isn't gamma emission. And if the phenomenon described in the paper were happening, most of the gammas would still escape, and if only a small percentage escaped, they'd be detected, lots of people have looked for gammas.
Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research
It appears that the research at SAPWAR is being shut down at the wrong time. The demonstrations of Rossi and others should make those in charge take a short pause at least. The importance of LENR to the future of the world is going to be immense once it becomes mainstream and it is fortunate indeed that private individuals like Rossi can carry the load without interference from shortsighted people such as you mention. I can understand that some of the skeptic posters on vortex are truly convinced that LENR is not real and they know that some form of trick or scam must be present to explain away any measurement that suggests excess nuclear energy. To them it is just a manner of uncovering the facts and the trickery is revealed. There is absolutely no chance that the effects seen are possible. They suggest phenomenon that are far out in left field instead of accept the simple facts. The only way that these skeptics will be convinced is when LENR devices are widely distributed in practice and can no longer be denied. The others you mention are just a pathetic group indeed. Anyone that actively destroys the career of another needs to have the same done to them at some point. Did the thought ever occur to them that they might be wrong in their assumptions? Who revealed to them the great truths of nature? Why should their opinions be final when it is obvious that there is much to be learned about the universe? In my opinion it is the pinnacle of ignorance to think that you understand all of the truths of nature. Everyone with that belief is going to be humbled by future developments. If someone can not contribute to important developments, at least they should not hinder them. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 5:45 pm Subject: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research I am sorry to report that the authorities have finally closed down cold fusion research at SAPWAR. After Frank Gordon left, the project was on life support. Recent reports on Fox News and elsewhere mentioned it, bringing about the inevitable coup de grace. Like most cold fusion projects, this was a shoestring or bootlegged operation. It was done by retired researchers such as Szpak, and others working nights and weekends. The equipment was scavenged or bought by private individuals. But, as we all know, people opposed to cold fusion will not tolerate any project, even if it costs essentially nothing. Academic freedom means nothing to them. It never occurs to them they might be wrong, because -- Like Park and Yugo -- they have read nothing and they know nothing. They make no distinction between cold fusion and a perpetual motion machines or water memory. Any research they disagree with must not be allowed, period. Whenever cold fusion appears in the mass media I shudder, because I know it will trigger a backlash. Cold fusion researchers keep a low profile for a good reason. They know perfectly well that when some nitwit such as Krivit reveals there may be a source of funding, or a project being organized, that will trigger opposition. Robert Park will pull strings. Others will organize letter-writing campaigns. Mary Yugo will publish unfounded accusations of fraud and guilt by association. You can see the dynamic at work in this article, where someone is trying to shut down NASA interest in cold fusion: Why is NASA Langley Wasting Time on Cold Fusion Research? http://nasawatch.com/archives/2011/12/why-is-nasa-lan.html The people in charge of the Navy and the DoE know nothing about cold fusion, and they do not care about it. When they get letters from scientists or members of the public saying someone in your organization is committing fraud they do not ask questions. They close it down, whatever it is. Their main concern is their public image with the taxpayers. The last thing they need is to be accused of countenancing academic fraud or crazy research. This has been happening for 22 years. Given this environment, it is surprising that cold fusion survived at all. Dozens of projects such as this one and the one at MIT were crushed, mostly without ever being allowed to publish anything, and without any knowledge by the public. I knew about the MIT project described by Stolper because Gene Mallove was involved, and he was reporting to me. I was helping to fund things like this. No one else ever learned about it because it worked. Any time positive results are achieved, the opposition will pull out the stops to have the researchers fired or pushed into final retirement. That's how it works. That is why I and others gave up even trying to establish projects at major institutions years ago. We know how it will end. That is why I think there no hope of funding Miley et al., and no point. Sure it would be important work. But it is not worth getting some poor
Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research
I'm only small fish and late to the party. I do wish I was around when your friend Eugene Mallove was alive. I may have ended up very bloody and lying in the gutter but I would have put up a fight for what was right. I admire your tenacity. I will do whatever I can to get a LENR unit working closed loop and delivering excess electricity to a load. After that PF, Mallove and you deserve a Nobel. Them for Physics and you and Mallove for Peace in never giving up on your friends nor in what you believe is right. Many people and their lives will benefit in ways no one can foresee today because of what PF, Mallove and yourself have done. On 12/18/2011 9:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I am sorry to report that the authorities have finally closed down cold fusion research at SAPWAR. After Frank Gordon left, the project was on life support. Recent reports on Fox News and elsewhere mentioned it, bringing about the inevitable coup de grace. Like most cold fusion projects, this was a shoestring or bootlegged operation. It was done by retired researchers such as Szpak, and others working nights and weekends. The equipment was scavenged or bought by private individuals. But, as we all know, people opposed to cold fusion will not tolerate any project, even if it costs essentially nothing. Academic freedom means nothing to them. It never occurs to them they might be wrong, because -- Like Park and Yugo -- they have read nothing and they know nothing. They make no distinction between cold fusion and a perpetual motion machines or water memory. Any research they disagree with _must not be allowed_, period. Whenever cold fusion appears in the mass media I shudder, because I know it will trigger a backlash. Cold fusion researchers keep a low profile for a good reason. They know perfectly well that when some nitwit such as Krivit reveals there may be a source of funding, or a project being organized, that will trigger opposition. Robert Park will pull strings. Others will organize letter-writing campaigns. Mary Yugo will publish unfounded accusations of fraud and guilt by association. You can see the dynamic at work in this article, where someone is trying to shut down NASA interest in cold fusion: Why is NASA Langley Wasting Time on Cold Fusion Research? http://nasawatch.com/archives/2011/12/why-is-nasa-lan.html The people in charge of the Navy and the DoE know nothing about cold fusion, and they do not care about it. When they get letters from scientists or members of the public saying someone in your organization is committing fraud they do not ask questions. They close it down, whatever it is. Their main concern is their public image with the taxpayers. The last thing they need is to be accused of countenancing academic fraud or crazy research. This has been happening for 22 years. Given this environment, it is surprising that cold fusion survived at all. Dozens of projects such as this one and the one at MIT were crushed, mostly without ever being allowed to publish anything, and without any knowledge by the public. I knew about the MIT project described by Stolper because Gene Mallove was involved, and he was reporting to me. I was helping to fund things like this. No one else ever learned about it because it worked. Any time positive results are achieved, the opposition will pull out the stops to have the researchers fired or pushed into final retirement. That's how it works. That is why I and others gave up even trying to establish projects at major institutions years ago. We know how it will end. That is why I think there no hope of funding Miley et al., and no point. Sure it would be important work. But it is not worth getting some poor grad student in trouble, or ruining her career prospects. The results will be bottled up, the grad student's reputation torn to shreds by nitwits, and the mass media will report only lies and distortions. Yeah, I may get another informal positive result I can upload to LENR-CANR.org, but that is not worth destroying someone's career. It won't change anything. Fortunately, Rossi and Defkalion are privately funded and immune to interference. Rossi is well aware of how academic politics work in the U.S. That is one of the reasons he has not made much of an effort to work with universities and national labs. Even if they get positive results, it will be reported as a failure and fraud. That is what happened to the National Cold Fusion Institute, and the Japanese NEDO project. When Miles demonstrated heat at the NEDO over a few weeks, the scientifically trained bureaucrats in charge, who were in the same building, _refused to get up, walk down the hall, and look_. Talk about willful ignorance! Mary Yugo has nothing on them. They were busy writing a report saying that no positive results were achieved. They published that in Japanese soon after Miles left and the project was shut down. Perhaps they hoped Miles
[Vo]:Cold Fusion: Fire from Water
OK probably not new to the long term Vorts but still very interesting as are Fleischmann's comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=gGJiLrG3fLY
[Vo]:Kick starter for funding?
If Dr. Miley is in need of low thousands of dollars to get to a breakthrough, is there a possibility of using kickstarter.com to raise the money? I'd kick in a thousand dollar pledge if Jed said it would get the good doctor over the hump. Sean
Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research
Hey, Joshua Cude, Mary Yugo, and Rich Murray are not vengeful, irrational, dogmatic opponents of CF in any of its forms -- it is simply contrary to the record of their posts on Vortex-L and other public forums to denigrate them in this unworthy and untrue way -- they are simply participating competently in the essential role of skepticism, without which there can be only feeble scientific progress in new directions in any field -- ad hominem attacks are hardly evidence that all CF proponents are truly confident of the reality of CF -- it's been 22 years since 1989, with still no actual specific device operating at any lab, let alone at independent labs, producing any anomaly with clearcut evidence, following a specific protocol -- nor is there any progress towards mathematically specific and correct theory -- an obvious fraud, BlackLight Power by Randall Mills, is still widely described as accepted science by the CF pros -- lashing out at reasonable careful skeptics is hardly a strategy for attracting thoughtful competent collaborators into our networks -- in the last year I have brought up some studies that describe interesting possible anomalies, such as claimed transmutations in water tree corrosion of high density polyethylene in high voltage AC power cables... SPAWAR never responded to a specific critique by Murray in recent years that pointed out, contrary to their assumptions, an external electric field has no physical effects within the volume of a conductive electrolyte, except for possible tiny leakage currents... within mutual service, Rich Murray, 254-A Donax Avenue, Imperial Beach, CA 91932 505-819-7388 On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I'm only small fish and late to the party. I do wish I was around when your friend Eugene Mallove was alive. I may have ended up very bloody and lying in the gutter but I would have put up a fight for what was right. I admire your tenacity. I will do whatever I can to get a LENR unit working closed loop and delivering excess electricity to a load. After that PF, Mallove and you deserve a Nobel. Them for Physics and you and Mallove for Peace in never giving up on your friends nor in what you believe is right. Many people and their lives will benefit in ways no one can foresee today because of what PF, Mallove and yourself have done. On 12/18/2011 9:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I am sorry to report that the authorities have finally closed down cold fusion research at SAPWAR. After Frank Gordon left, the project was on life support. Recent reports on Fox News and elsewhere mentioned it, bringing about the inevitable coup de grace. Like most cold fusion projects, this was a shoestring or bootlegged operation. It was done by retired researchers such as Szpak, and others working nights and weekends. The equipment was scavenged or bought by private individuals. But, as we all know, people opposed to cold fusion will not tolerate any project, even if it costs essentially nothing. Academic freedom means nothing to them. It never occurs to them they might be wrong, because -- Like Park and Yugo -- they have read nothing and they know nothing. They make no distinction between cold fusion and a perpetual motion machines or water memory. Any research they disagree with _must not be allowed_, period. Whenever cold fusion appears in the mass media I shudder, because I know it will trigger a backlash. Cold fusion researchers keep a low profile for a good reason. They know perfectly well that when some nitwit such as Krivit reveals there may be a source of funding, or a project being organized, that will trigger opposition. Robert Park will pull strings. Others will organize letter-writing campaigns. Mary Yugo will publish unfounded accusations of fraud and guilt by association. You can see the dynamic at work in this article, where someone is trying to shut down NASA interest in cold fusion: Why is NASA Langley Wasting Time on Cold Fusion Research? http://nasawatch.com/archives/2011/12/why-is-nasa-lan.html The people in charge of the Navy and the DoE know nothing about cold fusion, and they do not care about it. When they get letters from scientists or members of the public saying someone in your organization is committing fraud they do not ask questions. They close it down, whatever it is. Their main concern is their public image with the taxpayers. The last thing they need is to be accused of countenancing academic fraud or crazy research. This has been happening for 22 years. Given this environment, it is surprising that cold fusion survived at all. Dozens of projects such as this one and the one at MIT were crushed, mostly without ever being allowed to publish anything, and without any knowledge by the public. I knew about the MIT project described by Stolper because Gene Mallove was involved, and he was reporting to me. I was helping to fund things like this. No
Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research
With respect as I in no way mean to make this statement personal: What a load of self service CRAP. Are you blind as well as mentally impaired? Do you ONLY see and read what you wish to see and read to support such a BS statement? On 12/18/2011 3:06 PM, Rich Murray wrote: ...it's been 22 years since 1989, with still no actual specific device operating at any lab, let alone at independent labs, producing any anomaly with clearcut evidence, following a specific protocol...
Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research
Tell you want Joshua Cude, Rich Murray and Mary Yugo, choke on this as you work you way through the data. There are other proofs besides CR-39 in the video. Film fogs, gamma detectors, the hot spot video, the piezoelectric spikes, etc. I think I counted thirteen different proofs that are redundant in making the case for anomalous heat. The SEM microcraters with transmuted crusts don't need CR-39 to show nuclear energetics. This lecture is the touchstone for an emerging industry. The co-dep foils are energetic enough to reduce uranium and nuclear wastes in wet cells. Here are the powerpoint and PDF files for the lecture. Enjoy: http://bisbee.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/spawar.ppt http://bisbee.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SPAWAR-MAY-9-2009.pdf Here is where Frank Gordon and crew are working now. They are ready to remediate nuclear waste with their foils and they too are working under the radar, given the maturity of their knowledge and trade craft. SPAWAR / DOD says they know how to burn nuclear waste, DOE says that's impossible therefore not real. To admit that nuclear waste can be remediated with co-dep foils is to admit that all their energy clients are wrong. http://www.globalenergycorporation.net/ On 12/18/2011 3:06 PM, Rich Murray wrote: Hey, Joshua Cude, Mary Yugo, and Rich Murray are not vengeful, irrational, dogmatic opponents of CF in any of its forms -- it is simply contrary to the record of their posts on Vortex-L and other public forums to denigrate them in this unworthy and untrue way -- they are simply participating competently in the essential role of skepticism, without which there can be only feeble scientific progress in new directions in any field -- ad hominem attacks are hardly evidence that all CF proponents are truly confident of the reality of CF -- it's been 22 years since 1989, with still no actual specific device operating at any lab, let alone at independent labs, producing any anomaly with clearcut evidence, following a specific protocol -- nor is there any progress towards mathematically specific and correct theory -- an obvious fraud, BlackLight Power by Randall Mills, is still widely described as accepted science by the CF pros -- lashing out at reasonable careful skeptics is hardly a strategy for attracting thoughtful competent collaborators into our networks -- in the last year I have brought up some studies that describe interesting possible anomalies, such as claimed transmutations in water tree corrosion of high density polyethylene in high voltage AC power cables... SPAWAR never responded to a specific critique by Murray in recent years that pointed out, contrary to their assumptions, an external electric field has no physical effects within the volume of a conductive electrolyte, except for possible tiny leakage currents... within mutual service, Rich Murray, 254-A Donax Avenue, Imperial Beach, CA 91932 505-819-7388 On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I'm only small fish and late to the party. I do wish I was around when your friend Eugene Mallove was alive. I may have ended up very bloody and lying in the gutter but I would have put up a fight for what was right. I admire your tenacity. I will do whatever I can to get a LENR unit working closed loop and delivering excess electricity to a load. After that PF, Mallove and you deserve a Nobel. Them for Physics and you and Mallove for Peace in never giving up on your friends nor in what you believe is right. Many people and their lives will benefit in ways no one can foresee today because of what PF, Mallove and yourself have done. On 12/18/2011 9:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I am sorry to report that the authorities have finally closed down cold fusion research at SAPWAR. After Frank Gordon left, the project was on life support. Recent reports on Fox News and elsewhere mentioned it, bringing about the inevitable coup de grace. Like most cold fusion projects, this was a shoestring or bootlegged operation. It was done by retired researchers such as Szpak, and others working nights and weekends. The equipment was scavenged or bought by private individuals. But, as we all know, people opposed to cold fusion will not tolerate any project, even if it costs essentially nothing. Academic freedom means nothing to them. It never occurs to them they might be wrong, because -- Like Park and Yugo -- they have read nothing and they know nothing. They make no distinction between cold fusion and a perpetual motion machines or water memory. Any research they disagree with _must not be allowed_, period. Whenever cold fusion appears in the mass media I shudder, because I know it will trigger a backlash. Cold fusion researchers keep a low profile for a good reason. They know perfectly well that when some nitwit such as Krivit reveals there may be a source of funding, or a project being organized, that will trigger opposition. Robert Park will pull
Re: [Vo]:Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research
24 more peer reviewed LENR papers for you guys to read: http://www.globalenergycorporation.net/Publications.aspx On 12/18/2011 3:06 PM, Rich Murray wrote: Hey, Joshua Cude, Mary Yugo, and Rich Murray are not vengeful, irrational, dogmatic opponents of CF in any of its forms -- it is simply contrary to the record of their posts on Vortex-L and other public forums to denigrate them in this unworthy and untrue way -- they are simply participating competently in the essential role of skepticism, without which there can be only feeble scientific progress in new directions in any field -- ad hominem attacks are hardly evidence that all CF proponents are truly confident of the reality of CF -- it's been 22 years since 1989, with still no actual specific device operating at any lab, let alone at independent labs, producing any anomaly with clearcut evidence, following a specific protocol -- nor is there any progress towards mathematically specific and correct theory -- an obvious fraud, BlackLight Power by Randall Mills, is still widely described as accepted science by the CF pros -- lashing out at reasonable careful skeptics is hardly a strategy for attracting thoughtful competent collaborators into our networks -- in the last year I have brought up some studies that describe interesting possible anomalies, such as claimed transmutations in water tree corrosion of high density polyethylene in high voltage AC power cables... SPAWAR never responded to a specific critique by Murray in recent years that pointed out, contrary to their assumptions, an external electric field has no physical effects within the volume of a conductive electrolyte, except for possible tiny leakage currents... within mutual service, Rich Murray, 254-A Donax Avenue, Imperial Beach, CA 91932 505-819-7388 On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: I'm only small fish and late to the party. I do wish I was around when your friend Eugene Mallove was alive. I may have ended up very bloody and lying in the gutter but I would have put up a fight for what was right. I admire your tenacity. I will do whatever I can to get a LENR unit working closed loop and delivering excess electricity to a load. After that PF, Mallove and you deserve a Nobel. Them for Physics and you and Mallove for Peace in never giving up on your friends nor in what you believe is right. Many people and their lives will benefit in ways no one can foresee today because of what PF, Mallove and yourself have done. On 12/18/2011 9:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I am sorry to report that the authorities have finally closed down cold fusion research at SAPWAR. After Frank Gordon left, the project was on life support. Recent reports on Fox News and elsewhere mentioned it, bringing about the inevitable coup de grace. Like most cold fusion projects, this was a shoestring or bootlegged operation. It was done by retired researchers such as Szpak, and others working nights and weekends. The equipment was scavenged or bought by private individuals. But, as we all know, people opposed to cold fusion will not tolerate any project, even if it costs essentially nothing. Academic freedom means nothing to them. It never occurs to them they might be wrong, because -- Like Park and Yugo -- they have read nothing and they know nothing. They make no distinction between cold fusion and a perpetual motion machines or water memory. Any research they disagree with _must not be allowed_, period. Whenever cold fusion appears in the mass media I shudder, because I know it will trigger a backlash. Cold fusion researchers keep a low profile for a good reason. They know perfectly well that when some nitwit such as Krivit reveals there may be a source of funding, or a project being organized, that will trigger opposition. Robert Park will pull strings. Others will organize letter-writing campaigns. Mary Yugo will publish unfounded accusations of fraud and guilt by association. You can see the dynamic at work in this article, where someone is trying to shut down NASA interest in cold fusion: Why is NASA Langley Wasting Time on Cold Fusion Research? http://nasawatch.com/archives/2011/12/why-is-nasa-lan.html The people in charge of the Navy and the DoE know nothing about cold fusion, and they do not care about it. When they get letters from scientists or members of the public saying someone in your organization is committing fraud they do not ask questions. They close it down, whatever it is. Their main concern is their public image with the taxpayers. The last thing they need is to be accused of countenancing academic fraud or crazy research. This has been happening for 22 years. Given this environment, it is surprising that cold fusion survived at all. Dozens of projects such as this one and the one at MIT were crushed, mostly without ever being allowed to publish anything, and without any knowledge by the public. I knew about the MIT project described
Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
He will need a battery for start up. Once the scooter has reached a sufficient speed it will propel itself perpetually by self charging. I have met Thane in person and witnessed an earlier version of his regenerative acceleration device. Is he scammer? No one who has met him thinks he is a scammer. He is much too sincere. Is he a self-deciever? A small group of skeptics who have evaluated his data have convinced themselves that Thane has decieved himself. I don't agree. If Thane succeeds, will those skeptics suffer the label 'self-deceivers' ? Early in 2008 a professor in the engineering facaulty at the University of Ottawa was sufficiently impressed by a version of his device, that he gave him some lab to conduct for further research. In hindsight, I bet he was told he could have the lab space as long as he did not say it violated of CoE. When I met him in the lab in 2008, he appeared conflicted because he would say things like 'this is where it violates 'Lenz's law' and then in the next breath he would say 'but there is no violation of CoE'. After about a year or so his welcome ran out because I suspect he became less restrained in expressing his belief. Of course he now expresses his belief quite openly and I say good for him. Harry On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Thane posted a new video on dec.14. He says he is going to install the prototype shown in an electric scooter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dme4bW2fPhQ Installing free energy devices into vehicles instead of properly testing them for example on a dynamometer and by self running without a battery, is the typical modus operandi of scammers and self deceivers. The other hallmark of a scam is measuring power with simple digital meters when the likely waveform is complex and spikey. Those features are absolutely classical of the sort of nonsense perpetrated by the likes of Dennis Lee (convicted felon) and Bedini. What is supposed to be happening in that weird cluttered demo in the Youtube video?
[Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 486
Dear Friends, Just published the issue No. 486 of my newsletter in combination with a Guest Editorial by an anti-cancer warrior. http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/12/informavores-sunday-no-486.html We have lost Scott and Yan in 2011 due to this criminal illness. One of the greatest personalities of our LENR community, Prof. Piantelli, the founder of Transition Metals-H LENR has also very important achievements in the fight against cancer. He has offered to help Scott- but when we knew about Scott's illness- it was already tragically late. Good information is fast. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
