Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from Italian, than in the last 5 centuries. Clownerie has been translated by Akira into travesty. Clownerie is another Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain I think the right path is clown == pagliaccio == pagliacciata (the act of being a clown) == clownerie; I think it should be translated into buffoonery (clowning, silly behaviour) 2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo*http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ by *Steven B. Krivit* http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM *To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT *Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT *To: Andrea Rossi** From: Dick Smith* Dear Mr Rossi *Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration* Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see *HERE* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entrepreneur%29. Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific community will accept the results. I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times.
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
I disagree. I have already told that CLOWN for the US people is an evil person and Rossi is using this meaning. Have seen some US movies re clowns who were very bad people, sadistic. Pagliacci has a more tragic conotation. The second greatest enemy of Rossi is a snake. The third is a clown. The first, worst enemy is easy to guess. Peter On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from Italian, than in the last 5 centuries. Clownerie has been translated by Akira into travesty. Clownerie is another Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain I think the right path is clown == pagliaccio == pagliacciata (the act of being a clown) == clownerie; I think it should be translated into buffoonery (clowning, silly behaviour) 2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo*http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/ by *Steven B. Krivit* http://blog.newenergytimes.com/author/sbkrivit/ *From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM *To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT *Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT *To: Andrea Rossi** From: Dick Smith* Dear Mr Rossi *Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration* Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see *HERE* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith_%28entrepreneur%29 . Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam. I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is successfully completed. If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges. I am sure we can come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent. It would also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more towards him being a fraud. It is a million dollars for a simple test. It would be a much better use of his time than writing about snakes and clowns on his blog. Rossi also wants people to buy the e-cat before they test it. Does anyone see the problem with that? With 13 sales, he supposedly has $26 million. He had to sell his house to have enough money for the e-cat. Unless he is getting a large cash infusion from his secret partners, he could easily use a million dollars. He still needs to run a lot more public tests if he expects to sell a million e-cats. I don't know why he'd trust customers to test it with their protocols, but not an independent test with testing procedures accepted by him. This makes no sense whatsoever. What if the customer buys it, steals his ideas, and makes their own e-cat to run Rossi out of business? And what happened to his 1 MW customer who wasn't supposed to be secret. Shouldn't we have heard something about that by now? Rossi is looking more like a fraud everyday, and what does that say about Defkalion who is only in the LENR business because of Rossi. If no valid tests are performed by either group by March 31, this whole thing is most likely a fraud. On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Gigi DiMarco wrote: I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from Italian, than in the last 5 centuries. Clownerie has been translated by Akira into travesty. Clownerie is another Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain I think the right path is clown == pagliaccio == pagliacciata (the act of being a clown) == clownerie; I think it should be translated into buffoonery (clowning, silly behaviour) 2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo by Steven B. Krivit From: Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith] Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM To: Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT Subject: from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT To: Andrea Rossi From: Dick Smith Dear Mr Rossi Re: USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration Dick Smith is my name. I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia. Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see HERE. Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you. Mr Millin communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems. Mr Millin said that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention. After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed. There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is not the case. At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my AUD200,000. As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 demonstration. One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held in an escrow account if you desire. I do not want to know how the unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales. My satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved. I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate results. We have not complained about this. My offer is very simple, which I will restate: I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions). As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report. I would be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the demonstration. They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
From Jed: Stirling Allen wrote: . . . I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. He made a spectacle of himself. What a jerk. What an embarrassment. It's only an embarrassment in the eye of the beholder. I'll just bet'cha that Sterling never felt a twinge of embarrassment by his actions. I suspect he only felt an immediate sense of frustration - of being thwarted by the authorities after all Sterling wanted to do was spread the good news to his flock. I suspect few of us would feel the urge to attempt to proselytize in the obnoxious manner that Sterling had done. But that's because most of us don't possess a sense of mission that Sterling's possess. In a sense, that is the cross Sterling must bear in his lifetime. It seems pretty obvious to me that Sterling's motivation was not done out of a sense of malice or for personal gain, such as at the expense of those he wanted to proselytize to... well except for the fact that his obnoxious behavior ended up temporarily interrupting the proceedings of a dinner party he decided to crash. It was done because Sterling, behaving like the free energy evangelist that he is, sincerely wanted to spread the good news as he perceived that good news to be. If Sterling is to be faulted, it is that some of his public actions lack subtlety. His lack of discrimination will unfortunately cause him to appear to behave like a zealot in the eyes of many. FWIW, Jed, I know damned well that you were once accused of behaving a zealot too! In any case, such actions doesn't make Sterling a jerk in my book. Just an occasional bull in a china shop. So, when Sterling comes knocking at the door, just make sure you know where your chinaware is. And then just sit back and watch the show. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
I agree. Freedom of Speech and expression are a great thing. He is just a messenger of potential change. You don't hear much coming from the people of Iran or North Korea these days and that is very unfortunate. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Jed: Stirling Allen wrote: . . . I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. He made a spectacle of himself. What a jerk. What an embarrassment. It's only an embarrassment in the eye of the beholder. I'll just bet'cha that Sterling never felt a twinge of embarrassment by his actions. I suspect he only felt an immediate sense of frustration - of being thwarted by the authorities after all Sterling wanted to do was spread the good news to his flock. I suspect few of us would feel the urge to attempt to proselytize in the obnoxious manner that Sterling had done. But that's because most of us don't possess a sense of mission that Sterling's possess. In a sense, that is the cross Sterling must bear in his lifetime. It seems pretty obvious to me that Sterling's motivation was not done out of a sense of malice or for personal gain, such as at the expense of those he wanted to proselytize to... well except for the fact that his obnoxious behavior ended up temporarily interrupting the proceedings of a dinner party he decided to crash. It was done because Sterling, behaving like the free energy evangelist that he is, sincerely wanted to spread the good news as he perceived that good news to be. If Sterling is to be faulted, it is that some of his public actions lack subtlety. His lack of discrimination will unfortunately cause him to appear to behave like a zealot in the eyes of many. FWIW, Jed, I know damned well that you were once accused of behaving a zealot too! In any case, such actions doesn't make Sterling a jerk in my book. Just an occasional bull in a china shop. So, when Sterling comes knocking at the door, just make sure you know where your chinaware is. And then just sit back and watch the show. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rydberg question from Francis
I have often wondered if both types of Rydberg matter can have a relativistic interpretation. Recent BLP papers now refer to the hydrino as inverse Rydberg hydrogen in keeping with the Naudts 2005 paper paper, On the hydrino state of the relativistic hydrogen atomhttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0507193v2. I have already posited that inverse Rydberg orbitals don't change locally but appear to become smaller and smaller to a limit of 1/137 from our perspective outside the Casimir geometries. I may have depicted this incorrectly at http://www.garrityhvac.com/gwell.gif where I show the Rydberg orbitals to the right side of the image as being physically larger and occupying more space BUT a true relativistic interpretation would make both Rydberg and inverse Rydberg orbitals appear smaller via Lorentzian contraction [temporal displacement]. I think this might make a better working mans model for the difference between big M and small m when we speak about the growing mass of an object approaching C because this is in conflict with the perceived contraction of the object by a stationary observer. IOW we observe contraction for both positive and negative acceleration regardless if the acceleration is spatial displacement or equivalent acceleration - My posit is that Rydberg matter is accelerated into a higher inertial frame equivalent to the spatial displacement of hydrogen from the suns corona while inverse Rydberg hydrogen is negatively accelerated into a negative inertial frame via the suppression of virtual particles in the Casimir cavity where the hydrogen is loaded. Perhaps a better depiction would have been a mirrored sequence of the fractional atoms also getting more displaced from a shrinking orbital diameter but marked as multipliers 1-137x instead of the divisions used for inverse states. I know this conflicts with mainstream perception of physically larger objects but things like the inertia and field effects could also be explained as dilation effects. I remain convinced that suppression geometries are actually segregation devices and although the concentrated suppression of longer wavelengths in a small cavity is the easier effect to detect that there must also be an equal compression of these longer wavelengths outside the cavity to maintain a zero energy balance. This is consistent with claims of both radioactive half life reduction as well as some smaller claims of half life extension for radioactive gases. Regards Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:51 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rydberg question from Francis The the study of Rydberg atoms/matter/cristals is a large new field in physics. So there is uncertainty in its characterization. Here is a reference regarding Rydberg atom/matter life expectancy. For your converence, I highlighted the lifetime values. Reference: http://www.enotes.com/topic/Rydberg_matter Lifetime Schematic of an effective potential within a Wigner-Seitz cellhttp://www.enotes.com/topic/Wigner-Seitz_cell of a Rydberg matter made of excited (n=10) Cs atoms.[27]http://www.enotes.com/topic/Rydberg_matter#cite_note-A._Manykin.2C_M._I_1992_P_75.2C_602-26[28]http://www.enotes.com/topic/Rydberg_matter#cite_note-A._Manykin.2C_1994_P_78-27 Circular Rydberg states of atoms are extremely long-lived against deexcitation by emission of radiation. The so called radiative lifetime of a circular Rydberg state in n = 100 is approximately 1 second. This means that it decays with a characteristic lifetime of 1 second.[29]http://www.enotes.com/topic/Rydberg_matter#cite_note-28 The lifetime averaged over the angular momentum quantum numbers is 0.18 s at n = 40 and 17 s for n = 100.[30]http://www.enotes.com/topic/Rydberg_matter#cite_note-29 The main reasons for such long lifetimes of atoms with excitation energy of several eV are the lack of spatial overlap between the excited circular orbital and low orbitals close to the atom, and the forbidden nature of transitions from high orbitals to low orbitals since the strong selection rule Δl = -1 is operative in a dipole transition. Similar effects exist in the condensed Rydberg matter: significantly increased lack of orbital spatial overlap and angular momentum conservation as described make the lifetime of Rydberg matter long. In addition, quantum mechanical properties of the system, e.g. exchange-correlation effects, create an energy barrier (see figure) which further prevents the deexcitation of the valence electrons in the matter since the electrons have to tunnel through the barrier to the low states.[25]http://www.enotes.com/topic/Rydberg_matter#cite_note-E.A._Manykin.2C_M.I._Ojovan_P_57-24 This means that the valence electrons are distributed extremely non-uniformly in the Rydberg matter causing a significant delay in the decay of excitations compared to non-interacting excited atoms. For example, the
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
From Jarold: There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more towards him being a fraud. ... Many here (including myself) wish that Rossi would accept the challenge. However, Rossi is under no obligation to prove to any of us, us who reside in the honorable peanut gallery, that his eCat claims are legitimate. All that seems matters to Rossi is the immediate care and feeding of his mysterious business relationships. THAT is the 64 trillion dollar question that we should be trying to get a better handle on. As Jed as already stated, Rossi has repeatedly stated that there will be no more public demonstrations or tests! ... that is, unless Rossi decides to change his mind, which he could do on a dime if he feels it would be in his best interests to do so. There have also been plenty of reasons brought forth from individuals, including McKubre pertaining to why Rossi seems to feel it is not necessarily in his best interest to prove to the world at this particular moment in time that his eCats are for real. All that matters to Rossi is that his carefully guarded business interests believe that his eCats are for real - by allowing THEM to perform all the necessary due diligence they need to do on his eCats in private. Meanwhile, if the rest of the world, his critics, as well as potential competition don't think he eCats are for real, all to the better. Many fret about Rossi's behavior. They just can't seem to understand why he behaves in the quirky manner that he does. They just don't like it! All I can say is: expect more of the same from Rossi. Get over it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Chem Eng I agree.. Me too Millions of people find it really easy to criticise and pull others down , I call them ordinary men Yet a few people want to lift others up, encourage them even while realising there is a bit of hype man would, these people are Extrodinary Gentlemen If it wasnt for people like Stirling , this average carpenter, wouldn't even have considering to start to learn about electrons , psi , atoms , molecules (axills rydbergs) , physics etc Question . Are you really worried others will be deceived and get hurt ? Or is it that you see that others might be getting to much lime light and your ego just cant stand it . As Clint Eastwood said Go ahead ,(criticise me) Make my day Pete Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:06:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip From: cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I agree. Freedom of Speech and expression are a great thing. He is just a messenger of potential change. You don't hear much coming from the people of Iran or North Korea these days and that is very unfortunate. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Jed: Stirling Allen wrote: . . . I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. He made a spectacle of himself. What a jerk. What an embarrassment. It's only an embarrassment in the eye of the beholder. I'll just bet'cha that Sterling never felt a twinge of embarrassment by his actions. I suspect he only felt an immediate sense of frustration - of being thwarted by the authorities after all Sterling wanted to do was spread the good news to his flock. I suspect few of us would feel the urge to attempt to proselytize in the obnoxious manner that Sterling had done. But that's because most of us don't possess a sense of mission that Sterling's possess. In a sense, that is the cross Sterling must bear in his lifetime. It seems pretty obvious to me that Sterling's motivation was not done out of a sense of malice or for personal gain, such as at the expense of those he wanted to proselytize to... well except for the fact that his obnoxious behavior ended up temporarily interrupting the proceedings of a dinner party he decided to crash. It was done because Sterling, behaving like the free energy evangelist that he is, sincerely wanted to spread the good news as he perceived that good news to be. If Sterling is to be faulted, it is that some of his public actions lack subtlety. His lack of discrimination will unfortunately cause him to appear to behave like a zealot in the eyes of many. FWIW, Jed, I know damned well that you were once accused of behaving a zealot too! In any case, such actions doesn't make Sterling a jerk in my book. Just an occasional bull in a china shop. So, when Sterling comes knocking at the door, just make sure you know where your chinaware is. And then just sit back and watch the show. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:Enriching Ni - actually quite cheap
I know this has been discussed before, but I thought there might be some interest in rough estimates of energy costs of Ni enrichment, just in case it turns out to be critical for improving power density or decreasing radioactivity of products. With Ni it appears you are most interested in Ni62 and Ni64 as these will create stable Cu63 and Cu65 with proton capture, and together amount to 4.5% of Ni, you are wanting to separate off the Ni58, Ni60 and Ni61. Nickel tetracarbonyl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_tetracarbonyl is a gas at 315K (Uranium gas centrifuges operate at 310-320K) and with natural Ni isotope blend (mass 58.6) has a molecular weight of 170. Assuming isotopically pure C and O, (which can be recycled) you are looking to separate molecules with an average weight of almost 174, so about 2.3% heavier. Uranium hexafluoride has a molecular weight average 352 and you are trying to separate compounds molecules with about 0.8% mass differences. The energy required to separate different weight molecules scales with the square of the mass difference so separating the nickel from the same level of concentration appears to require (0.0085/0.0235)² = 13% of the energy of separating uranium isotopes given the same starting concentration. (In reality it will be more than that due to presence of Ni60 and Ni61, and the harder work to separate them, but this is only a rough calculation) But the starting concentration is a huge factor too. Using the SWU calculations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium enriching U235 from 0.7% to 95% with 0.2% U235 tailings takes 245 SWU(U235 from natural U), whereas enriching 4.5% Ni62+Ni62 to 99% with 4% tailings takes just 30 SWU(Ni62,64 from natural Ni). It doesn't matter as much if you don't extract all of the Ni62 and Ni64 because the slightly depleted Ni has almost the same value (note that SWU is different for separating the Ni isotope vs the uranium isotope) Assuming I have those numbers roughly correct then enriching Ni62+65 to 99% would need only about about 30 SWU(Ni62,64 from natural Ni) x 0.13 = equivalent energy to 4 SWU(U235 from natural U), vs the 250SWU(U235 from natural U) required for producing 95% U235. Or as another comparison enriching the nickel to 99% Ni62+Ni64 needs less than half the 9 SWU(U235 from natural U) required to create reactor grade 5% U235 Uranium, with no waste products because Ni is a useful metal for other purposes. Now 1 SWU(U235 from natural U) is about 50kWhhttp://world-nuclear.org/info/inf28.html so ignoring equipment and operating costs to produce 1kg of 95% U235 requires about 12500kWh ($0.1/kWh) and 190kg Uranium (~$165/kg) = $32000/kg, 1kg of 5% U235 requires about 450kWh and 9.6kg Uranium for total cost of about $1600/kg (note that the waste metal cost is dominant over almost irrelevant electricity cost). But because there is no wasted metal from the process so 99% Ni62+Ni64 needs about 200kWh, or only about $20/kg + the price of 1kg nickel (about $20/kg) for a total of $40/kg for 99% Ni62+Ni64. If that nickel can produce 100kW output for 6 months then the cost is so small it is irrelevant - and we can also expect power costs to go down making enrichment costs even lower. 1 AC100 gas centrifuge can deliver about 330 SWU(U235 from natural uranium) per year. So each of those centrifuges can probably contribute the equivalent of about 80kg of highly enriched 99% Ni64+Ni62 per year, or about double the uranium fuel that is produced. Global uranium production is currently about 80,000 tonnes per year, producing about 8,000 tonnes of reactor fuel. If shifted to Nickel (that could produce 100kW/kg) then there is sufficient capacity in the world to make about 16,000 tonnes of highly enriched Ni for about 800GW output (assuming 6 month fuel life). Not that far off being sufficient for current requirements. I can now see how enriching the Ni might not be a significant cost factor, Rossi was probably not wrong to think that cheap enrichment was possible. Once large scale enrichment processes are utilised, and if uranium separation equipment were modified to process Nickel then it could produce almost twice as much output as current uranium fuel for nuclear power. Even including the capital and operations costs the highly enriched Nickel might only cost on the order of $100/kg.
[Vo]:Defkalion Testing
From Jarold: /snip/ and what does that say about Defkalion who is only in the LENR business because of Rossi. If no valid tests are performed by either group by March 31, this whole thing is most likely a fraud. /snip/ Defkalion GT was not invited and did not participate officially in any public demonstration nor the preparation of any other third party's public event related to LENR devises [sic], since 17th of January 2011. (http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=258p=3300#p3300) When Rossi allegedly failed to meet contractual requirements, Defkalion went silent. As the relationship was severed, between July to October of 2011, they weren't releasing any information. These are the expected actions of someone reassessing their lot. The impression that I get (baseless speculation) is that Rossi may have misled Defkalion as to his success with Ni-H, and his alleged catalyst. But, possibly, his core idea of using micro/nano nickel was indeed a breakthrough. When Defkalion pushed forward on their own, they may have found a way to get reliable, controllable, excess heat. Their silence-then-reemergence is interesting. Where Rossi's past may be entirely consistent with that of someone profiting from outrageous claims, the named Defkalion directors do not strike me as a group of con-artists. If the scenario really were that they were victims of a con, what are the odds that they could all be brought on board to perpetuate the scam? These are former chairmen, presidents, and even an ambassador. Aside from a few photos/videos, there has been no evidence that Defkalion does, or does not have the technology. Inviting people inside, and promising upcoming independent testing, are great signs that they believe they do. It is wrong to place arbitrary time frames on what appears to be a more reasoned approach. They are not obligated to provide us with anything, but they seem to understand that there is a wall of doubt to overcome. Moreover, they finally seem ready to address those doubts. They've even claimed that most of third party tests will be streamed on the Internet, if the testers agree (http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=926start=200). Patience. R.L.
[Vo]:Russ George's May 6, 1999 Cold Fusion Times article?
I'm attempting to obtain a copy of Production of Helium-Four from Deuterium Using Nano-Particle Palladium by Russ George, published in the May 6, 1999 issue of Cold Fusion Times on page 1.
[Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely
Dust fusion ? Part 1 has Part 1, 11min http://youtu.be/57ap7iow1c0 In a real time demonstration George Egely claims carbon can be transformed into iron using a microwave oven. He tests graphite powder before and after the procedure with a magnet for presence of iron. Part 2, 14min http://youtu.be/Y9q5O2Mft5o Instrumentation described in more detail. Part 3, 35min http://youtu.be/lA3GGgpPYFA Discussion of his theory Some people say he has just succeeded in magnetizing the graphite powder. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Russ George's May 6, 1999 Cold Fusion Times article?
Hopefully, this helps - http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2007/1999-RussGeorge-APS-Presentation.pdf I'm attempting to obtain a copy of Production of Helium-Four from Deuterium Using Nano-Particle Palladium by Russ George, published in the May 6, 1999 issue of Cold Fusion Times on page 1.
Re: [Vo]:Enriching Ni - actually quite cheap
In the far future, tungsten and molybdenum could be used to replace nickel in the cold fusion hydrogen reactor to take advantage of the higher thermal efficiencies made possible by using these metals. Doing so will enable very high temperature applications to replace heat sources like coal and natural gas in the cement, glass, metals and smelting business. The transmutation waste products derived from these refractory metals will produce some of the rarest precious industrial metals to be found on earth in the platinum family whose price per Kilo might reach up to $5,000. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: I know this has been discussed before, but I thought there might be some interest in rough estimates of energy costs of Ni enrichment, just in case it turns out to be critical for improving power density or decreasing radioactivity of products. With Ni it appears you are most interested in Ni62 and Ni64 as these will create stable Cu63 and Cu65 with proton capture, and together amount to 4.5% of Ni, you are wanting to separate off the Ni58, Ni60 and Ni61. Nickel tetracarbonyl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_tetracarbonyl is a gas at 315K (Uranium gas centrifuges operate at 310-320K) and with natural Ni isotope blend (mass 58.6) has a molecular weight of 170. Assuming isotopically pure C and O, (which can be recycled) you are looking to separate molecules with an average weight of almost 174, so about 2.3% heavier. Uranium hexafluoride has a molecular weight average 352 and you are trying to separate compounds molecules with about 0.8% mass differences. The energy required to separate different weight molecules scales with the square of the mass difference so separating the nickel from the same level of concentration appears to require (0.0085/0.0235)² = 13% of the energy of separating uranium isotopes given the same starting concentration. (In reality it will be more than that due to presence of Ni60 and Ni61, and the harder work to separate them, but this is only a rough calculation) But the starting concentration is a huge factor too. Using the SWU calculations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium enriching U235 from 0.7% to 95% with 0.2% U235 tailings takes 245 SWU(U235 from natural U), whereas enriching 4.5% Ni62+Ni62 to 99% with 4% tailings takes just 30 SWU(Ni62,64 from natural Ni). It doesn't matter as much if you don't extract all of the Ni62 and Ni64 because the slightly depleted Ni has almost the same value (note that SWU is different for separating the Ni isotope vs the uranium isotope) Assuming I have those numbers roughly correct then enriching Ni62+65 to 99% would need only about about 30 SWU(Ni62,64 from natural Ni) x 0.13 = equivalent energy to 4 SWU(U235 from natural U), vs the 250SWU(U235 from natural U) required for producing 95% U235. Or as another comparison enriching the nickel to 99% Ni62+Ni64 needs less than half the 9 SWU(U235 from natural U) required to create reactor grade 5% U235 Uranium, with no waste products because Ni is a useful metal for other purposes. Now 1 SWU(U235 from natural U) is about 50kWhhttp://world-nuclear.org/info/inf28.html so ignoring equipment and operating costs to produce 1kg of 95% U235 requires about 12500kWh ($0.1/kWh) and 190kg Uranium (~$165/kg) = $32000/kg, 1kg of 5% U235 requires about 450kWh and 9.6kg Uranium for total cost of about $1600/kg (note that the waste metal cost is dominant over almost irrelevant electricity cost). But because there is no wasted metal from the process so 99% Ni62+Ni64 needs about 200kWh, or only about $20/kg + the price of 1kg nickel (about $20/kg) for a total of $40/kg for 99% Ni62+Ni64. If that nickel can produce 100kW output for 6 months then the cost is so small it is irrelevant - and we can also expect power costs to go down making enrichment costs even lower. 1 AC100 gas centrifuge can deliver about 330 SWU(U235 from natural uranium) per year. So each of those centrifuges can probably contribute the equivalent of about 80kg of highly enriched 99% Ni64+Ni62 per year, or about double the uranium fuel that is produced. Global uranium production is currently about 80,000 tonnes per year, producing about 8,000 tonnes of reactor fuel. If shifted to Nickel (that could produce 100kW/kg) then there is sufficient capacity in the world to make about 16,000 tonnes of highly enriched Ni for about 800GW output (assuming 6 month fuel life). Not that far off being sufficient for current requirements. I can now see how enriching the Ni might not be a significant cost factor, Rossi was probably not wrong to think that cheap enrichment was possible. Once large scale enrichment processes are utilised, and if uranium separation equipment were modified to process Nickel then it could produce almost twice as much output as current uranium fuel for nuclear power. Even including
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
What was the point in the 1 MW sales then if he didn't need the money? Couldn't he have partnered with someone without the wasted time on the 1 MW plant? You really don't think his customers are reverse engineering his technology if it is a 64 trillion dollar business? Dick Smith is just another customer and Rossi said customers can run whatever tests they want. Rossi is making pure profit with just a simple test. Rossi should spend a little less time on blogging and calling people snakes when he could be making money with business. Rossi said he didn't care if the results are published to the public. Making a million e-cats is going to take a lot of money. Where is he getting his money from? Nothing he does makes any sense, unless he's an idiot who stumbled upon cold fusion or he is a fraud. Almost everything has been Rossi said, and most of what Rossi said has been lies. Why is there any reason to believe anything he says? I was willing to wait until March 31 before I decided if Rossi was a fraud or not, but right now I'm leaning heavily towards being a fraud because of the lies he has told. I am under no obligation to believe Rossi's claims if he won't allow a legitimate test that benefits him greatly. Again, what happened to the non-secretive 1 MW customer? Rossi said it would take about 3 months for that sale right after his October 28th demonstration. It has been over 3 months and there is no news at all. On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:05 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: From Jarold: There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more towards him being a fraud. ... Many here (including myself) wish that Rossi would accept the challenge. However, Rossi is under no obligation to prove to any of us, us who reside in the honorable peanut gallery, that his eCat claims are legitimate. All that seems matters to Rossi is the immediate care and feeding of his mysterious business relationships. THAT is the 64 trillion dollar question that we should be trying to get a better handle on. As Jed as already stated, Rossi has repeatedly stated that there will be no more public demonstrations or tests! ... that is, unless Rossi decides to change his mind, which he could do on a dime if he feels it would be in his best interests to do so. There have also been plenty of reasons brought forth from individuals, including McKubre pertaining to why Rossi seems to feel it is not necessarily in his best interest to prove to the world at this particular moment in time that his eCats are for real. All that matters to Rossi is that his carefully guarded business interests believe that his eCats are for real - by allowing THEM to perform all the necessary due diligence they need to do on his eCats in private. Meanwhile, if the rest of the world, his critics, as well as potential competition don't think he eCats are for real, all to the better. Many fret about Rossi's behavior. They just can't seem to understand why he behaves in the quirky manner that he does. They just don't like it! All I can say is: expect more of the same from Rossi. Get over it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Is a woman suppose to feel embarressed for trying to breast feed her baby in a public venue? harry On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Jed: Stirling Allen wrote: . . . I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. He made a spectacle of himself. What a jerk. What an embarrassment. It's only an embarrassment in the eye of the beholder. I'll just bet'cha that Sterling never felt a twinge of embarrassment by his actions. I suspect he only felt an immediate sense of frustration - of being thwarted by the authorities after all Sterling wanted to do was spread the good news to his flock. I suspect few of us would feel the urge to attempt to proselytize in the obnoxious manner that Sterling had done. But that's because most of us don't possess a sense of mission that Sterling's possess. In a sense, that is the cross Sterling must bear in his lifetime. It seems pretty obvious to me that Sterling's motivation was not done out of a sense of malice or for personal gain, such as at the expense of those he wanted to proselytize to... well except for the fact that his obnoxious behavior ended up temporarily interrupting the proceedings of a dinner party he decided to crash. It was done because Sterling, behaving like the free energy evangelist that he is, sincerely wanted to spread the good news as he perceived that good news to be. If Sterling is to be faulted, it is that some of his public actions lack subtlety. His lack of discrimination will unfortunately cause him to appear to behave like a zealot in the eyes of many. FWIW, Jed, I know damned well that you were once accused of behaving a zealot too! In any case, such actions doesn't make Sterling a jerk in my book. Just an occasional bull in a china shop. So, when Sterling comes knocking at the door, just make sure you know where your chinaware is. And then just sit back and watch the show. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan / S-African Free Fuel Generator FFG trip
Only if the baby is her husband... On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Is a woman suppose to feel embarressed for trying to breast feed her baby in a public venue? harry On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Jed: Stirling Allen wrote: . . . I walked by a group of younger people milling about outside an establishment (some kind of party). I pulled up a chair, stood on it, and started saying, May I have your attention, please. I would like to tell you about some hope that you have for Athens. But then two security guards came up to me and escorted me away because I was interrupting a party. He made a spectacle of himself. What a jerk. What an embarrassment. It's only an embarrassment in the eye of the beholder. I'll just bet'cha that Sterling never felt a twinge of embarrassment by his actions. I suspect he only felt an immediate sense of frustration - of being thwarted by the authorities after all Sterling wanted to do was spread the good news to his flock. I suspect few of us would feel the urge to attempt to proselytize in the obnoxious manner that Sterling had done. But that's because most of us don't possess a sense of mission that Sterling's possess. In a sense, that is the cross Sterling must bear in his lifetime. It seems pretty obvious to me that Sterling's motivation was not done out of a sense of malice or for personal gain, such as at the expense of those he wanted to proselytize to... well except for the fact that his obnoxious behavior ended up temporarily interrupting the proceedings of a dinner party he decided to crash. It was done because Sterling, behaving like the free energy evangelist that he is, sincerely wanted to spread the good news as he perceived that good news to be. If Sterling is to be faulted, it is that some of his public actions lack subtlety. His lack of discrimination will unfortunately cause him to appear to behave like a zealot in the eyes of many. FWIW, Jed, I know damned well that you were once accused of behaving a zealot too! In any case, such actions doesn't make Sterling a jerk in my book. Just an occasional bull in a china shop. So, when Sterling comes knocking at the door, just make sure you know where your chinaware is. And then just sit back and watch the show. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely
http://www.ferrocarbon.it/deliv_b.html From: Harry Veeder Dust fusion ? Part 1 has Part 1, 11min http://youtu.be/57ap7iow1c0 In a real time demonstration George Egely claims carbon can be transformed into iron using a microwave oven. He tests graphite powder before and after the procedure with a magnet for presence of iron. Part 2, 14min http://youtu.be/Y9q5O2Mft5o Instrumentation described in more detail. Part 3, 35min http://youtu.be/lA3GGgpPYFA Discussion of his theory Some people say he has just succeeded in magnetizing the graphite powder. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: From Jarold: /snip/ and what does that say about Defkalion who is only in the LENR business because of Rossi. If no valid tests are performed by either group by March 31, this whole thing is most likely a fraud. /snip/ Defkalion GT was not invited and did not participate officially in any public demonstration nor the preparation of any other third party's public event related to LENR devises [sic], since 17th of January 2011. (http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=258p=3300#p3300) When Rossi allegedly failed to meet contractual requirements, Defkalion went silent. As the relationship was severed, between July to October of 2011, they weren't releasing any information. These are the expected actions of someone reassessing their lot. The impression that I get (baseless speculation) is that Rossi may have misled Defkalion as to his success with Ni-H, and his alleged catalyst. But, possibly, his core idea of using micro/nano nickel was indeed a breakthrough. When Defkalion pushed forward on their own, they may have found a way to get reliable, controllable, excess heat. Their silence-then-reemergence is interesting. Where Rossi's past may be entirely consistent with that of someone profiting from outrageous claims, the named Defkalion directors do not strike me as a group of con-artists. If the scenario really were that they were victims of a con, what are the odds that they could all be brought on board to perpetuate the scam? These are former chairmen, presidents, and even an ambassador. Aside from a few photos/videos, there has been no evidence that Defkalion does, or does not have the technology. Inviting people inside, and promising upcoming independent testing, are great signs that they believe they do. It is wrong to place arbitrary time frames on what appears to be a more reasoned approach. They are not obligated to provide us with anything, but they seem to understand that there is a wall of doubt to overcome. Moreover, they finally seem ready to address those doubts. They've even claimed that most of third party tests will be streamed on the Internet, if the testers agree (http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=926start=200). Patience. R.L.
Re: [Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely
Arcing electricity across ordinary pencil lead (carbon) is a well-known method of demonstrating cold fusion. I've done it myself... http://blazelabs.com/n-transmut.asp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KV8hz5Ubfc - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
Man began using fire/combustion approx. 46,000 years ago and we are still using combustion as our primary energy source. I think you should be patient and wait a few more weeks... The frustration from Rossi is Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing Let's continue to hope we get something. I have hopes that DGT will present independent results over the next few weeks/months. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.comwrote: I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: From Jarold: /snip/ and what does that say about Defkalion who is only in the LENR business because of Rossi. If no valid tests are performed by either group by March 31, this whole thing is most likely a fraud. /snip/ Defkalion GT was not invited and did not participate officially in any public demonstration nor the preparation of any other third party's public event related to LENR devises [sic], since 17th of January 2011. ( http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=258p=3300#p3300 ) When Rossi allegedly failed to meet contractual requirements, Defkalion went silent. As the relationship was severed, between July to October of 2011, they weren't releasing any information. These are the expected actions of someone reassessing their lot. The impression that I get (baseless speculation) is that Rossi *may* have misled Defkalion as to his success with Ni-H, and his alleged catalyst. But, possibly, his core idea of using micro/nano nickel was indeed a breakthrough. When Defkalion pushed forward on their own, they may have found a way to get reliable, controllable, excess heat. Their silence-then-reemergence is interesting. Where Rossi's past may be entirely consistent with that of someone profiting from outrageous claims, the named Defkalion directors do not strike me as a group of con-artists. If the scenario really were that they were victims of a con, what are the odds that they could all be brought on board to perpetuate the scam? These are former chairmen, presidents, and even an ambassador. Aside from a few photos/videos, there has been no evidence that Defkalion does, or does not have the technology. Inviting people inside, and promising upcoming independent testing, are great signs that they believe they do. It is wrong to place arbitrary time frames on what appears to be a more reasoned approach. They are not obligated to provide us with anything, but they seem to understand that there is a wall of doubt to overcome. Moreover, they finally seem ready to address those doubts. They've even claimed that most of third party tests will be streamed on the Internet, if the testers agree ( http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=926start=200 ). Patience. R.L.
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: What was the point in the 1 MW sales then if he didn't need the money? Couldn't he have partnered with someone without the wasted time on the 1 MW plant? You really don't think his customers are reverse engineering his technology if it is a 64 trillion dollar business? Dick Smith is just another customer and Rossi said customers can run whatever tests they want. Rossi is making pure profit with just a simple test. I suppose Rossi thinks Smith is a faker. I have some doubts about Smith myself. Usually, when someone offers you $1 million just to do a test, he is not serious. If he had offered $50,000 or $100,000 it would be more believable. Anyway, don't expect rhyme or reason from Rossi. That is not his strong suit. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Jarold, You seem to have issues with Rossi's quirky unpredictable behavior. Many do. You are in good company. If you are leaning towards the opinion that Rossi is a fraud you can at least feel assured of the fact that your opinion is shared by many. I'm sure Krivit would approve. Why don't you post your concerns over at NET and see what comes of it. You may get some responses. Quite frankly, after everything I've heard, both pro and con, I realize I still don't know enough about Rossi to feel like I can pass a definitive conclusion on the matter, for or against. With that said it's true that, at least for now, I'm still leaning towards the opinion that Rossi and his eCats aren't fraudulent, but I could be wrong. The best I can do for now is to consider the conclusions of experts who are far more knowledgeable on Rossi than I. Many of them seem convinced that his eCat technology, flawed it may be, is authentic. Therefore, until further developments are forthcoming I can live with my uncertainty. I can live with the fact that my tentative conclusions could eventually be proven wrong. You, on the other hand, seem to be having difficulty living with your own uncertainty when it comes to passing judgment on Rossi. IMHO, you seem to have entrapped yourself within an endless maze of unrequited speculation. It will get you nowhere. That's why I suggested in my previous post that you might try to ease up and: Get over it. Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
Oh no. sounds like MaryYugo's brother. only worse. Jarold, GET OVER IT! Just wait it out like the rest of us. Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a few of us. If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on. nothing to see here. -Mark From: Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
[Vo]:Rossi defines Uselessly Asked Questions- again
Not interested in millionaires (let's try with bilonaires- they have even more money!) and for the time given there is No competition: Andrea Rossi February 15th, 2012 at 12:23 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185350 I AM RECEIVENG EMAILS REGARDING: 1- THE “MILLIONAIRE” WHO OFFERS 1 MILLION FOR A TEST AND 2- WHAT WE THINK OF SOME WANNABE COMPETITORS WHO WILL MAKE OTHER TESTS ON A DEVICE OF THEM: I HAVE NOT TIME TO ANSWER SINGULARLY, SO HERE IS THE FINAL ANSWER VALID FOR ALL: 1- MILLIONAIRE TEST: I AM THE CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION AND RECENTLY LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS TO WHOSE ATTORNEYS I HAVE TO ANSWER. THIS, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT OUR 1 MW PLANTS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO AN ENTITY THAT WANTS NOT TO BE DISCLOSED (WE ARE UNDER NDA) FORBIDS ME TO TAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITHOUT THE PERMISSIONS OF THE ATTORNEYS; THE OPINION OF THEM IS THAT THIS STUNT IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN BY A STUNT, BUT BY A REGULAR OPERATION BY THE CUSTOMERS. WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC OUR PRODUCTS, NOT TO MAKE SHOWS. 2- COMPETITORS: WE NEVER COMMENT ON OUR COMPETITORS, BUT STILL WE DO NOT SEE ANY COMPETITOR ON THE MARKET. WHEN WE WILL FIND PRODUCTS WHICH WILL COMPETE WITH OURS, THEN WE WILL HAVE COMPETITORS, BUT NOW IS NOT THE CASE. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WITH OUR PRICES NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE, ALSO FOR THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE E-CATS AND FOR THE PRODUCTION LINE WE ARE MAKING. BY THE WAY: IF SOME COMPETITOR WILL BE ABLE TO COPY OUR TECH AND MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORKING ( WHICH DIDN’T HAPPEN YET) OUR ATTORNEYS WILL WORK ON THE CASE. I WILL NOT ANSWER TO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MILLIONAIRE AND THE WANNABE COMPETITORS. WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose Rossi thinks Smith is a faker. I have some doubts about Smith myself. Usually, when someone offers you $1 million just to do a test, he is not serious. If he had offered $50,000 or $100,000 it would be more believable. I agree, Jed. Rossi has about as much chance of collecting from Dick Smith as from James Randi. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi defines Uselessly Asked Questions- again
He seems a little more Lucid... On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Not interested in millionaires (let's try with bilonaires- they have even more money!) and for the time given there is No competition: Andrea Rossi February 15th, 2012 at 12:23 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185350 I AM RECEIVENG EMAILS REGARDING: 1- THE “MILLIONAIRE” WHO OFFERS 1 MILLION FOR A TEST AND 2- WHAT WE THINK OF SOME WANNABE COMPETITORS WHO WILL MAKE OTHER TESTS ON A DEVICE OF THEM: I HAVE NOT TIME TO ANSWER SINGULARLY, SO HERE IS THE FINAL ANSWER VALID FOR ALL: 1- MILLIONAIRE TEST: I AM THE CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION AND RECENTLY LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS TO WHOSE ATTORNEYS I HAVE TO ANSWER. THIS, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT OUR 1 MW PLANTS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO AN ENTITY THAT WANTS NOT TO BE DISCLOSED (WE ARE UNDER NDA) FORBIDS ME TO TAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITHOUT THE PERMISSIONS OF THE ATTORNEYS; THE OPINION OF THEM IS THAT THIS STUNT IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN BY A STUNT, BUT BY A REGULAR OPERATION BY THE CUSTOMERS. WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC OUR PRODUCTS, NOT TO MAKE SHOWS. 2- COMPETITORS: WE NEVER COMMENT ON OUR COMPETITORS, BUT STILL WE DO NOT SEE ANY COMPETITOR ON THE MARKET. WHEN WE WILL FIND PRODUCTS WHICH WILL COMPETE WITH OURS, THEN WE WILL HAVE COMPETITORS, BUT NOW IS NOT THE CASE. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WITH OUR PRICES NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE, ALSO FOR THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE E-CATS AND FOR THE PRODUCTION LINE WE ARE MAKING. BY THE WAY: IF SOME COMPETITOR WILL BE ABLE TO COPY OUR TECH AND MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORKING ( WHICH DIDN’T HAPPEN YET) OUR ATTORNEYS WILL WORK ON THE CASE. I WILL NOT ANSWER TO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MILLIONAIRE AND THE WANNABE COMPETITORS. WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Tesla Murdered by Nazis
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/13/nikola-tesla-was-murdered-by-otto-skorzeny/ excerpt: According to Skorzeny, he and Gehlen had tricked Tesla the previous day into revealing the full details of his most important discoveries. After the murder, they stole the contents of Tesla’s safe, which were delivered to Hitler. end excerpt
Re: [Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely
I gather Mr. Egely is claiming he is actually transmuting graphite (carbon) into iron with the use of a microwave oven.. And lets just forget about how much radiation that must generate as carbon nucleus are fused into iron nucleus. To prove his conjecture he uses a magnet to show that his newly created iron now shows magnetic properties... I gather that as far as Mr. Egely is concerned he must be fuzing carbon and making iron cuz everyone noz that graphite has no magnetic properties. Truth be known, I myself had forgotten about the fact that under certain unique conditions carbon can display magnetic properties, that is until Jones once again brought the link to my attention. Thanks for the link, Jones. Well intentioned (if not a little naive) mistakes and misinterpretations like the one apparently made by Mr. Egely can nevertheless point us all to even greater discoveries with profound ramifications, particularly if we are willing to let go to the initial misinterpretations our egos assigned to the phenomenon. Fact is, newly discovered phenomenon is often misinterpreted, at least initially. Those who understand this personal aspect are less inclined to take their initial misinterpretations personally. Then, the real discoveries can proceed unhindered by past prejudice. As has already been speculated by others, it would surprise me that as nanotechnology matures carbon based magnetic materials may eventually turn out to possess crucial industrial applications that may surpass the need to use expensive rare-earth magnets that are currently in use. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, Jed. Rossi has about as much chance of collecting from Dick Smith as from James Randi. Yes!! Randi is hysterical. If this works out and Rossi becomes famous, he should send Randi an invoice. Just for the fun of it. Heck, *I'll* send him one. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi defines Uselessly Asked Questions- again
RECENTLY LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS I'm quite surprised by this important news from rossi, he always seemed to say that he would be the sole captain of the e-cat boat and now he has attorneys to answer to ? My point is, has rossi silently sold the ship ? About point 1: At least rossi is right on one thing WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC OUR PRODUCTS. About point 2: For rossi to have competitors it would be nice to have an actual product to sell, he does not talk much anymore about new 1MW power plants customers, is there really no other clients by now which doesn't care about an NDA ? I would be delighted to see rossi's attorney working on a competitor case, has rossi still has no decent patent to my knowledge, well he could certainly claim prior art but that would certainly be a lot more complicated So how are those production lines going ? Maybe rossi could publish a job offer on the vortex, he needs people to run the factory right and who would be more qualified than vortexians !
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Rossi is either ignorant, or he is a blatant liar. Either way, it doesn't look good. Now, that doesn't mean he doesn't have an LENR device, but he loses all credibility from me. It would be no different if I claimed to have a working cold fusion device and am working with a secret customer. What happened to the customer who wasn't secretive? He said within 3 months over 3 months ago, and there is no new information. On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Jarold, You seem to have issues with Rossi's quirky unpredictable behavior. Many do. You are in good company. If you are leaning towards the opinion that Rossi is a fraud you can at least feel assured of the fact that your opinion is shared by many. I'm sure Krivit would approve. Why don't you post your concerns over at NET and see what comes of it. You may get some responses. Quite frankly, after everything I've heard, both pro and con, I realize I still don't know enough about Rossi to feel like I can pass a definitive conclusion on the matter, for or against. With that said it's true that, at least for now, I'm still leaning towards the opinion that Rossi and his eCats aren't fraudulent, but I could be wrong. The best I can do for now is to consider the conclusions of experts who are far more knowledgeable on Rossi than I. Many of them seem convinced that his eCat technology, flawed it may be, is authentic. Therefore, until further developments are forthcoming I can live with my uncertainty. I can live with the fact that my tentative conclusions could eventually be proven wrong. You, on the other hand, seem to be having difficulty living with your own uncertainty when it comes to passing judgment on Rossi. IMHO, you seem to have entrapped yourself within an endless maze of unrequited speculation. It will get you nowhere. That's why I suggested in my previous post that you might try to ease up and: Get over it. Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. You don't think they have already been revealed? Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his business venture will fail. Harry
[Vo]:OT: Apps for iPad 3: What Apple should demo at the grand unveiling
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/14/tech/gaming-gadgets/ipad-3-apps-update/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6 Display is likely to increase to: 2048 x 1536 Most likely the same display size. I wanna an iPad (jumbo), one that's picture book size! Approximately 8 x 12. IMO, there's a definite need for a bigger iPad sizes, and smaller sizes too. IMO, certain charts and graphics simply don't view well enough on the current iPad product, where one size fit's all functions. No! It doesn't It can't! Larger size iPads would do well in educational environments. I'm sure Apple will eventually get around to creating several iPad sizes. If they don't the competition will. BTW, we have an iPad 2. Actually, it seems to me that after my wife joined a discussion group discussing the art of weaving (ravelry) she just sort of just one day took possession of it. What could I do! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Follows true Rossi's speech in capital letters. Who are the investors? http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=3#comment-185350 Andrea Rossi February 15th, 2012 at 12:23 PM I AM RECEIVENG EMAILS REGARDING: 1- THE “MILLIONAIRE” WHO OFFERS 1 MILLION FOR A TEST AND 2- WHAT WE THINK OF SOME WANNABE COMPETITORS WHO WILL MAKE OTHER TESTS ON A DEVICE OF THEM: I HAVE NOT TIME TO ANSWER SINGULARLY, SO HERE IS THE FINAL ANSWER VALID FOR ALL: 1- MILLIONAIRE TEST: I AM THE CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION AND RECENTLY LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS TO THE ATTORNEYS OF WHICH I HAVE TO ANSWER. THIS, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT OUR 1 MW PLANTS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO AN ENTITY THAT WANTS NOT TO BE DISCLOSED (WE ARE UNDER NDA) FORBIDS ME TO TAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITHOUT THE PERMISSIONS OF THE ATTORNEYS; THE OPINION OF THEM IS THAT THIS STUNT IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN BY A STUNT, BUT BY A REGULAR OPERATION BY THE CUSTOMERS. WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC OUR PRODUCTS, NOT TO MAKE SHOWS. 2- COMPETITORS: WE NEVER COMMENT ON OUR COMPETITORS, BUT STILL WE DO NOT SEE ANY COMPETITOR ON THE MARKET AND NEITHER ON THE HORIZON. WHEN WE WILL FIND PRODUCTS WHICH WILL COMPETE WITH OURS, THEN WE WILL HAVE COMPETITORS, BUT NOW IT IS NOT THE CASE. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WITH OUR PRICES NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE, ALSO FOR THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE E-CATS AND FOR THE PRODUCTION LINE WE ARE MAKING. BY THE WAY: IF SOME COMPETITOR WILL BE ABLE TO COPY OUR TECH AND MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORKING ( WHICH DIDN’T HAPPEN YET) OUR ATTORNEYS WILL WORK ON THE CASE. I WILL NOT ANSWER TO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MILLIONAIRE AND THE WANNABE COMPETITORS. WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI --- mic 2012/2/15 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. You don't think they have already been revealed? Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his business venture will fail. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
I've been on the fence until just a couple of days ago when I heard Rossi's terrible excuse for not even giving Smith's proposal a chance. I want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Some other things Rossi has said haven't come to fruition. I'm using his timeline, and he hasn't delivered. Rossi's actions over the last couple of weeks have made me think that there is a greater chance of him being a fraud. I'll wait until my original deadline of March 31, but there really needs to start being some answers instead of speculation. On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. Jarold, GET OVER IT! Just wait it out like the rest of us… Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a few of us… If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on… nothing to see here. -Mark From: Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote:
Re: [Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely
If it is iron, and not just magnetic carbon, it should also rust. Where is his rust test? ;-) Harry On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I gather Mr. Egely is claiming he is actually transmuting graphite (carbon) into iron with the use of a microwave oven.. And lets just forget about how much radiation that must generate as carbon nucleus are fused into iron nucleus. To prove his conjecture he uses a magnet to show that his newly created iron now shows magnetic properties... I gather that as far as Mr. Egely is concerned he must be fuzing carbon and making iron cuz everyone noz that graphite has no magnetic properties. Truth be known, I myself had forgotten about the fact that under certain unique conditions carbon can display magnetic properties, that is until Jones once again brought the link to my attention. Thanks for the link, Jones. Well intentioned (if not a little naive) mistakes and misinterpretations like the one apparently made by Mr. Egely can nevertheless point us all to even greater discoveries with profound ramifications, particularly if we are willing to let go to the initial misinterpretations our egos assigned to the phenomenon. Fact is, newly discovered phenomenon is often misinterpreted, at least initially. Those who understand this personal aspect are less inclined to take their initial misinterpretations personally. Then, the real discoveries can proceed unhindered by past prejudice. As has already been speculated by others, it would surprise me that as nanotechnology matures carbon based magnetic materials may eventually turn out to possess crucial industrial applications that may surpass the need to use expensive rare-earth magnets that are currently in use. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
Hi Jarold, What will exactly happen on your self-imposed deadline date? Regards, Patrick On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.comwrote: I've been on the fence until just a couple of days ago when I heard Rossi's terrible excuse for not even giving Smith's proposal a chance. I want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Some other things Rossi has said haven't come to fruition. I'm using his timeline, and he hasn't delivered. Rossi's actions over the last couple of weeks have made me think that there is a greater chance of him being a fraud. I'll wait until my original deadline of March 31, but there really needs to start being some answers instead of speculation. On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. ** ** Jarold, GET OVER IT! Just wait it out like the rest of us… ** ** Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a few of us… ** ** If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on… nothing to see here. ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing ** ** I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: ** ** -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
RE: [Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely
Brad and all, There are a couple of interesting points in all of this - which can easily be overlooked. Arcing carbon does produce a species with magnetic susceptibility, but it is probably not iron made by fusion. It not necessarily even magnetic graphite - and we do know that graphite can be made to be paramagnetic (but that product it is a precise specialty and what we see in the video is not precision). And since graphite is normally diamagnetic - we would not expect the paramagnetic version to appear under these circumstances of a simple arc of pencil lead. But the main point is that the residue does not need to be ferromagnetic (iron, nickel, cobalt, etc) at all, as opposed to paramagnetic. Strong paramagnetism alone will suffice and will stick to a ferromagnet. In the video, the poster apparently does not understand paramagnetism ... oh well. We can forgive the oversight on YouTube. Also it should be noted that oxygen is so strongly paramagnetic that oxidized iron (ferrites) can and do make better permanent magnets than pure iron. But the most important point of all is this: carbon black (soot) can be partially oxidized as a solid dust which is strongly paramagnetic. You can do this in a starved candle flame - you do not need the hoopla of an arc. Furthermore: pencil lead is far from carbon per se, but instead is a mixture of graphite and clay binder. All clays have some iron and aluminum content (almost all) but even if there were none - we should realize that carbon-13 itself is paramagnetic and is over 1% of all carbon. Now Bockris in similar experiments used nearly pure carbon and eliminated clay, but surprisingly the great scientist overlooks both 13C and the strong paramagnetism of oxygen as being more likely to be responsible for the paramagnetism. In the famous phenanthrene experiments, which would have won the Nobel Prize for Mizuno if others could have replicated it (no one did AFAIK)- he finds that a substantial amount of carbon is converted from 12C to 13C in the reaction. This kind of LENR fusion is thousands of times easier to achieve than C+O fusion would be. Protons would have come from moisture in the air. But there is a more mundane and likely scenario. BTW - Mizuno may have been wrong about the substantial levels of transmutation, but if it was found to be true, then 13C has both a Nuclear Spin and a Nuclear magnetic moment and would be attracted to a magnet. 12C lacks both. Any of these possibilities are more likely than iron and oxygen fusing. The most likely and the mundane explanation of partially oxidized carbon soot - which is definitely paramagnetic due to the oxygen - that would be the first thing which would need to be eliminated as being the most probable explanation. Conservation of Miracles at work ... Jones -Original Message- From: ecat builder Arcing electricity across ordinary pencil lead (carbon) is a well-known method of demonstrating cold fusion. I've done it myself... http://blazelabs.com/n-transmut.asp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KV8hz5Ubfc - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely
I am also wondering where all of the energy arising from the fusion reaction went? It would seem that this much conversion from carbon to iron would turn his microwave oven into a large crater. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:37 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dust Fusion claim by George Egely If it is iron, and not just magnetic carbon, it should also rust. Where is his rust test? ;-) Harry On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I gather Mr. Egely is claiming he is actually transmuting graphite (carbon) into iron with the use of a microwave oven.. And lets just forget about how much radiation that must generate as carbon nucleus are fused into iron nucleus. To prove his conjecture he uses a magnet to show that his newly created iron now shows magnetic properties... I gather that as far as Mr. Egely is concerned he must be fuzing carbon and making iron cuz everyone noz that graphite has no magnetic properties. Truth be known, I myself had forgotten about the fact that under certain unique conditions carbon can display magnetic properties, that is until Jones once again brought the link to my attention. Thanks for the link, Jones. Well intentioned (if not a little naive) mistakes and misinterpretations like the one apparently made by Mr. Egely can nevertheless point us all to even greater discoveries with profound ramifications, particularly if we are willing to let go to the initial misinterpretations our egos assigned to the phenomenon. Fact is, newly discovered phenomenon is often misinterpreted, at least initially. Those who understand this personal aspect are less inclined to take their initial misinterpretations personally. Then, the real discoveries can proceed unhindered by past prejudice. As has already been speculated by others, it would surprise me that as nanotechnology matures carbon based magnetic materials may eventually turn out to possess crucial industrial applications that may surpass the need to use expensive rare-earth magnets that are currently in use. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
From Harry: Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. You don't think they have already been revealed? No. All I've seen is endless speculation on Rossi's business ventures. While there has been plenty of armchair criticism, (some of which is probably valid) the fact of the matter is that none of us are actually in Rossi's shoes. Who among us are privy to what's being discussed behind closed doors. Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his business venture will fail. More endless speculation. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. Well, hmmm. He did appear on PDGT *after* MY's ban there. And here . . . T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
From Jarold ... ... I want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Patience grasshopper. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Tesla Murdered by Nazis
Terry sez: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/13/nikola-tesla-was-murdered-by-otto-skorzeny/ excerpt: According to Skorzeny, he and Gehlen had tricked Tesla the previous day into revealing the full details of his most important discoveries. After the murder, they stole the contents of Tesla’s safe, which were delivered to Hitler. end excerpt Ah, another good conspiracy! This has all the makings of the kind of skullduggery that can never, never, EVER be proven true of false. When's the book coming out? ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Tesla Murdered by Nazis
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson Terry sez: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/13/nikola-tesla-was-murdered-by-otto-skorzeny/ excerpt: According to Skorzeny, he and Gehlen had tricked Tesla the previous day into revealing the full details of his most important discoveries. After the murder, they stole the contents of Tesla’s safe, which were delivered to Hitler. Ah, another good conspiracy! This has all the makings of the kind of skullduggery that can never, never, EVER be proven true of false. When's the book coming out? ;-) Here is what Mr Fusion has to say about it ... http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=230335 Say ... doesn't Rossi's alter ego, the clownish Doc Brown (nee Von Braun) fit into this picture somewhere ?
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while MY was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information was released. Rossi refused to do something that he said he was going to do. On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. Well, hmmm. He did appear on PDGT *after* MY's ban there. And here . . . T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
It's my deadline based on the things both Rossi and Defkalion said. If nothing happens by that time, I will stop paying attention to this drama and consider that it is most likely a fraud. On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: Hi Jarold, What will exactly happen on your self-imposed deadline date? Regards, Patrick On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: I've been on the fence until just a couple of days ago when I heard Rossi's terrible excuse for not even giving Smith's proposal a chance. I want real answers for his refusal instead of snakes and clowns. Some other things Rossi has said haven't come to fruition. I'm using his timeline, and he hasn't delivered. Rossi's actions over the last couple of weeks have made me think that there is a greater chance of him being a fraud. I'll wait until my original deadline of March 31, but there really needs to start being some answers instead of speculation. On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Oh no… sounds like MaryYugo’s brother… only worse. Jarold, GET OVER IT! Just wait it out like the rest of us… Or, get some people and equipment together and try to replicate it like a few of us… If it makes you feel good, just call it a fraud and move on… nothing to see here. -Mark From: Jarold McWilliams [mailto:oldja...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing I have been very patient with all of this. I was willing to wait until March 31, and even then I wouldn't consider it 100% fraud with no tests. Rossi is a liar if he doesn't even look into conducting a test with Smith, and there is no reason to believe anything he says with no proof. On Feb 15, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
Jarold sez: It's my deadline based on the things both Rossi and Defkalion said. If nothing happens by that time, I will stop paying attention to this drama and consider that it is most likely a fraud. Well shoot! So Rossi has finally violated your deadline, and now you're miffed. You've lost your patience and as such, Rossi has now become a really bad guy. Who knows what Rossi's actual deadlines are. I don't think Rossi even knows. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:19 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Harry: Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will eventually be revealed. You don't think they have already been revealed? No. All I've seen is endless speculation on Rossi's business ventures. While there has been plenty of armchair criticism, (some of which is probably valid) the fact of the matter is that none of us are actually in Rossi's shoes. Who among us are privy to what's being discussed behind closed doors. Indeed I wear my own shoes, and I don't care what my peers think of my shoes. Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his business venture will fail. More endless speculation. Its *my* expectation. Just as Rossi doesn't owe us a professionally conducted test, I don't owe Rossi endless patience. If am wrong I will be happy to eat crow, because the outcome is more important than what my peers think of me. Harry
RE: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
None of what Krivit says explains Defkalion and despite them claiming essentially the same technology he never mentions them and just focusses on Rossi. If their independent tests prove successful then this gives Rossi a load more credibility since they are rumoured to have back engineered the operation of the eCat. It also catapults Defkalion into first place since they will have independent testing to back up what they say.Mark Gibbs (Forbes) and all the other mainstream commentators never mention Defkalion either, choosing instead to focus on the easy target - Rossi. Rossi doesn't help himself by consistently coming out with rambling statements written in CAPITAL LETTERS. I feel some sympathy with the people waiting to hear definitive proof of the eCat.A 1MW customer stepping forward to identify themselves would be nice, as would a picture of the "robotized factory", as would some independent testing with protocols not set by Rossi himself. I know Rossi would just say something like "I have not time for this clownery, my goal is to make production ecats for the world", but that's just bollocks to be honest. He needs to get real.No wonder people are getting fed up. He needs to give people something to work with.The latest statement (which came out of nowhere) about how attorneys are running the show is just another vague and ambiguous soundbite which blurs into all the other vague and ambiguous soundbites. Krivit and co are having a field day because of this kind of bad public relations. Rossi needs to throw away his keyboard, stop responding to blog comments and invest in a good PR consultant to make statements on his behalf.If anyone is going to come out on top it will be Defkalion. Their professionalism at conducting PR is light years ahead of Rossi and it looks like they may well deliver independent test results to back up their claims. Unlike Rossi, they seem to know how important public perception is and independent published test results will give them just that. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi. From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 9:14 am To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Regarding links: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/Solihin-Millin/20120127Rossi-Invoice-Redact.pdf and http://ecatmotor.com/e-cat/bryon-new-energy-charitable-trust-to-support-e-cat http://www.byronnewenergy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page * * * * Krivit's PDF document shows an invoice from Byron New Energy Charitable Trust for $100,000 to be paid to Leonardo Corp, Rossi's business front. I'll assume the invoice is for real. Meanwhile, I noticed that Krivit previously stated in: Report #4: Rossi's NASA Test Fails to Launch: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2012/Report-4-Rossis-NASA-Test- Fails-to-Launch.shtml http://tinyurl.com/7awlywl Excerpt: ”Solihin Millin is a perfect example. [of what I'll assume Krivit is inferring to be a scam operator] He runs an organization in Australia called Byron New Energy Charitable Trust. On Jan. 13, 2012, he held an investors' meeting and began asking people for money for Rossi E-Cats. Millin's heavyweight reference for scientific credibility: Bushnell. (As we went to press, to our knowledge, Rossi had not denied any association with Millin.)" * * * There is a lot being inferred here by Krivit, particularly since nobody has confirmed nor denied anything! Because nobody has said anything that certainly allows Krivit to continue to infer lots of innuendo. It also looks to me as if Krivit is beginning to build his case against NASA chief scientist, Bushnell. From Krivit's POV it would appear that Bushnell is spending too much time doting on Rossi rather than on the Widom Larsen theory. Besides the Wiki article, X'atly what do we know about Millin's trust organization? Does anyone have anything of substance to report on them? Is any of this information by any chance related to the apparent demise of the Aussie Guy? Just curious. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while MY was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information was released. Well, we are familiar with MPD. How old is your hotmail account? T
RE: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
The comments at http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/13/rossis-australian-investment-opportunity-falls-through/#comments are worth reading. (Including a long to-and-fro with Sol Millin). The Ian Bryce chimes in, complaining that Krivit isn't giving due weight to his earth wire theory. True the E-CATS produced a mixture of steam and water at 100C. But even if there was minimal steam and mainly water raised from 18 to 100C as measured, the heat capacity (excluding heat of vaporization) demands an energy source. At the calibrated flow rate, the output power was around 2600 W for up to 6 hours, when the input power was measured to be zero. So .. he accepts that the eCat is generating excess heat Only the earth wire hypothesis can account for those 7 tests with verifiable output power. Only? Either that ... or it really IS a LENR device! (A certain M.Y. shoots down Bryce's theory ... and a bit further down, seems to be calling the invoice a fake!)
Re: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:29 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Is any of this information by any chance related to the apparent demise of the Aussie Guy? Yes, the $100k figure could just be a coincidence. Or not. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
I can prove that I've had it since April, 2010, but I think I've had it since about 2008. On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while MY was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information was released. Well, we are familiar with MPD. How old is your hotmail account? T
[Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
If Rossi is eventually proven right then I fully expect to see Krivit at the serving window of Burger King. Original Message Subject: RE: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi. From: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 10:39 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com The comments at http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/13/rossis-australian-investment-opportunity-falls-through/#comments are worth reading. (Including a long to-and-fro with Sol Millin). The Ian Bryce chimes in, complaining that Krivit isn't giving due weight to his "earth wire" theory. True the E-CATS produced a mixture of steam and water at 100C. But even if there was minimal steam and mainly water raised from 18 to 100C as measured, the heat capacity (excluding heat of vaporization) demands an energy source. At the calibrated flow rate, the output power was around 2600 W for up to 6 hours, when the input power was measured to be zero. So .. he accepts that the eCat is generating excess heat Only the earth wire hypothesis can account for those 7 tests with verifiable output power. Only? Either that ... or it really IS a LENR device! (A certain M.Y. shoots down Bryce's theory ... and a bit further down, seems to be calling the invoice a fake!)
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: I can prove that I've had it since April, 2010, but I think I've had it since about 2008. We're playin' the joker, Oldjar. Wild card. Chill. T
Re: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote: If Rossi is eventually proven right then I fully expect to see Krivit at the serving window of Burger King. You want fries with that? T
[Vo]:1 MW customer
When are we going to get information about the non-secretive 1 MW customer? I believe Rossi said he had a customer in 3 months time right after the October 28th demonstration who was not confidential. It has now been over 3 months, and I haven't heard anything new since then.
Re: [Vo]:1 MW customer
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: When are we going to get information about the non-secretive 1 MW customer? I believe Rossi said he had a customer in 3 months time right after the October 28th demonstration who was not confidential. It has now been over 3 months, and I haven't heard anything new since then. Have you read rule #2 for this forum. I would advise you to do so. T
[Vo]:Electric Car pollution worse than gasoline (because of coal)
Yikes. This is based on China, and your state may vary... but the US uses megatons of coal, so it is probably not terribly different here if you are downwind. And, to think - I was secretly day-dreaming about owning the new Tesla SUV next year http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2012/02/13/researchers-find-ecar-emissions-harmfu l/ http://www.azocleantech.com/news.aspx?newsID=16182 attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Electric Car pollution worse than gasoline (because of coal)
In the U.S. only half of electricity comes from coal, and our coal plants emit far fewer particulates than China's do. There is really no comparing the two countries and the effect of electric cars in them. I believe the share of electricity from coal is falling in the U.S. In Europe, especially France, electric cars would be far cleaner than gasoline models. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi.
"Gimme a flamed and grilled Rossi Burger, no pickle, Krivit fries to go, and super size me with and a side of humble pie." Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit: con letter from Rossi. From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Date: Thu, February 16, 2012 11:32 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Craig Brown cr...@overunity.co wrote: If Rossi is eventually proven right then I fully expect to see Krivit at the serving window of Burger King. "You want fries with that?" T
Re: [Vo]:Electric Car pollution worse than gasoline (because of coal)
There is to be considered that coal can be burned cleanly in new power plants, because almost all harmful emissions can be purified. Also I cannot believe that even old coal burning stations can be more dirty than burning fuel in internal combustion engine. Internal combustion engine and especially Diesel engine produces huge amounts of nasty aerosols that are from nitrogen reactions and incomplete burning of fuel. Difference in pollution might be smaller to external combustion engines. But I would still think that electric cars does pollute less. We must remember that electricity is produced with low efficiency and batteries are more heavy carry than fuel, so difference may not be that big, because liquid fuels are often more clean than coal. –Jouni On 16 Feb 2012, at 04:22, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Yikes. This is based on China, and your state may vary... but the US uses megatons of coal, so it is probably not terribly different here if you are downwind. And, to think - I was secretly day-dreaming about owning the new Tesla SUV next year http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2012/02/13/researchers-find-ecar-emissions-harmfu l/ http://www.azocleantech.com/news.aspx?newsID=16182 winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Electric Car pollution worse than gasoline (because of coal)
In Brazil, too. Almost 80% of brazilian electricity comes from hydropower (71,2%), biomass (7,18%), nuclear (1,6%) or windpower (1,18%). 2011 figures. Even though biomass does emit particulates, it emits far less than coal. Biomass plants are also very tightly-regulated with regard to particulate emissions (as are coal and gas thermoplants). Windpower is still very small, but there is a lot of money going with the wind :-) 63% more energy came from the wind in 2011 than in 2010. Em 16 de fevereiro de 2012 00:31, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comescreveu: In the U.S. only half of electricity comes from coal, and our coal plants emit far fewer particulates than China's do. There is really no comparing the two countries and the effect of electric cars in them. I believe the share of electricity from coal is falling in the U.S. In Europe, especially France, electric cars would be far cleaner than gasoline models. - Jed
[Vo]:Vo]:Gibbs Will Interview Dick Smith
"I had a very interesting discussion with Dick Smith earlier today regarding his thoughts on Rossi and the E-Cat and I’ll be posting an interview with him in the next few days." Mark Gibbs (Forbes)http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/02/15/rossi-responds-to-smiths-challenge-to-prove-e-cat-works/Presumably this will be another hit-piece on Rossi, courtesy of the Rothschild propaganda rag that is Forbes. Maybe those two should team up and call themselves "Krivit and Gibbs". Has a certain Penn and Teller ring to it.It should be noted that Dick is a fan of human-induced climate change and is pro carbon tax and is a fan of the depopulation agenda. I bet he's pro fluoride, pro vaccine and pro one world currency as well.http://dicksmithpopulation.com/http://www.bonzer.org.au/?p=31910Disturbing to see they've got Bindi Irwin roped into promoting a depopulation agenda throgh Smith's book launch.
Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
Two points to add to what has already been said in connection with the initial item in Rossi's statement, below -- First, the English of the response is indeed more lucid than in the past. It sounds like parts of the statement have been copied and pasted from a lawyer's email. Second, it's possible that Rossi doesn't have a choice as to whether to accept Smith's challenge, even if he wanted to, which is what he seems to be implying here. Eric I AM RECEIVENG EMAILS REGARDING: 1- THE “MILLIONAIRE” WHO OFFERS 1 MILLION FOR A TEST AND 2- WHAT WE THINK OF SOME WANNABE COMPETITORS WHO WILL MAKE OTHER TESTS ON A DEVICE OF THEM: I HAVE NOT TIME TO ANSWER SINGULARLY, SO HERE IS THE FINAL ANSWER VALID FOR ALL: 1- MILLIONAIRE TEST: I AM THE CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION AND RECENTLY LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS TO THE ATTORNEYS OF WHICH I HAVE TO ANSWER. THIS, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT OUR 1 MW PLANTS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO AN ENTITY THAT WANTS NOT TO BE DISCLOSED (WE ARE UNDER NDA) FORBIDS ME TO TAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITHOUT THE PERMISSIONS OF THE ATTORNEYS; THE OPINION OF THEM IS THAT THIS STUNT IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PROVEN BY A STUNT, BUT BY A REGULAR OPERATION BY THE CUSTOMERS. WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC OUR PRODUCTS, NOT TO MAKE SHOWS. 2- COMPETITORS: WE NEVER COMMENT ON OUR COMPETITORS, BUT STILL WE DO NOT SEE ANY COMPETITOR ON THE MARKET AND NEITHER ON THE HORIZON. WHEN WE WILL FIND PRODUCTS WHICH WILL COMPETE WITH OURS, THEN WE WILL HAVE COMPETITORS, BUT NOW IT IS NOT THE CASE. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WITH OUR PRICES NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE, ALSO FOR THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE E-CATS AND FOR THE PRODUCTION LINE WE ARE MAKING. BY THE WAY: IF SOME COMPETITOR WILL BE ABLE TO COPY OUR TECH AND MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORKING ( WHICH DIDN’T HAPPEN YET) OUR ATTORNEYS WILL WORK ON THE CASE. I WILL NOT ANSWER TO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MILLIONAIRE AND THE WANNABE COMPETITORS. WARM REGARDS, ANDREA ROSSI
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing
Terry the interrygator asks: How old is your hotmail account? Good question! Enquiring minds want to know... But being the well seasoned troll that MY is, he probably has several alter-egos so when one of them is banned, and questions arise as to when #2 started, as is the case here, he can always claim that alter-ego #1 and #2 were posting during the same period; that #2 didn't 'just' start after #1 was banned... as if that's some kind of proof that they are two different people! -m -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Testing On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Just more useless speculation that you are wrong about. I was on DGT while MY was there, and I told her/him to be more patient until more information was released. Well, we are familiar with MPD. How old is your hotmail account? T
[Vo]:A brief, semi-classical take on Widom-Larsen theory
W-L LENR theory claims ultra-low momentum neutrons (ULMNs) are created - quite surprising if due to high kinetic energy e-p collisions. Overcoming the electroweak effective potential barrier that repels an electron from a proton (= udu 'quark bag') requires 780 KeV. Can slow (non-relativistic) electrons climb the barrier by borrowing just enough potential magnetic (but no kinetic) energy - leaving ULMNs? As shown in [1], in nanowires. almost no conduction electron energy is kinetic. Almost all is likely stored in virtual exchange photons. On metal hydride nano-particle surfaces, plasma electrons and protons can oscillate in parallel and opposite directions . -- When velocity = 0, coulomb force brings some e-p pairs together -- as velocity increases, magnetic ampere force pinches e-p pairs closer Semiclassically, this increasing ampere force is equivalent to a rising linear potential in a time-varying Schroedinger equation - Graphically: --- PLASMONIC OScILLATION: TRANSFERING 'MAGNETIC ENERGY' MIN PLASMON AMPLITUDE AMPLITUDE INCREASES MIN AMPERE FORCE AMPERE FORCE RISES MIN LINEAR POTENTIAL LINEAR POTENTIAL RISES ^ ^^ ^ . .. . \ . \ .\ .\. \ .\. \ . \ e \.+-+ +-- \ . +-+ +- \ . +-+ +- |:+- \ .| | | ^ \ . | | |\.e| | ||:| \ .| | | |\ . | | | \_| | ||:| \ .| | | | \ | | | | ||V| \ | | |780 \ e| | | | || | \| |u|KeV \_| |u| |u||u| \ | |d| | |d| |d||d| -- ULMN (ddu) \ e| |u| | |u| |u||u| + neutrino \_| |_| V |_| |_||_| --- An electron arriving at a potential wall is pushed forward by the magnetic coupling to millions of conduction electrons and back-reacts by borrowing some of their collective momentum (Newton's 3rd Law). Ref[2] shows that electrons in nanowires can acquire enormous inertial mass from this coupling - distinct, I believe, from relavistic mass - which may make the surface plasma appear as an extremely viscous fluid to gamma rays, and could trap most high-energy gammas. [1]How Much of Magnetic Energy is Kinetic Energy? - Kirk T. McDonald http://puhep1.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/kinetic.pdf [2]Extremely Low Frequency Plasmons in Metallic Microstructures http://www.cmth.ph.ic.ac.uk/photonics/Newphotonics/pdf/lfplslet.pdf Comments/corrections very welcome, Lou Pagnucco
