[Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
Hello You are thinking like me. I have a spark plug in my reactor design to. Not tried it yet though. Marten Skickat från min HTC - Reply message - Från: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Till: Vortex Vortex-l@eskimo.com Rubrik: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Datum: sön, mar 11, 2012 06:10 Hey gang, another problem to mull over. I was studying Spark discharges based on the suggestion of a person I have great respect for, and I found this study. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5379213 According to this abstract, spark discharges are an efficient means of producing nascent monoatomic hydrogen. The efficiency of conversion to monoatomic hydrogen appears to be 30 to 40% with a low recombination rate with monoatomic hydrogen still found 40 mm away from the initial discharge. If somebody has access to this paper, please let us know what the entire paper says. Anyways, this got me wondering. Could Rossi be using a spark discharge inside his reactor. The evidence for this appears to be anecdotal. I wonder if he calls this spark discharge his RF as some have suggested. With a 30 to 40% efficiency, this appears to be a very efficient and low energy means to supply a steady availability of nascent hydrogen which would already be partially ionized. Could this be the Rossi Catalyst we've been hunting for? Could it be that the electical energy required to maintain the Rossi reaction be the energy to create sparks to provide a constant strean of nascent ionized hyrdogen? This would seem logical cause Rossi seems to insist on using electricity to heat his reactor to maintain the reaction. Logic would dictate that a more efficient way to maintain throttling heat would be to divert some of the output heat back to the input, as our dearly departed friend George Hody (Mary Yugo) would say. It seems that Rossi is not doing this because it won't work. He needs sparks not raw heat to maintain his reaction. What do you guys think. Is sparking a necessary ingredient for the Rossi formula. Would sparks be an efficient means of creating Rydberg hydrogen atons to create an environment suitable for LENR? If sparks are a necessary ingredient, I have found a very cheap and efficient way to create these sparks - by using a spark plug driven by a CDI electronic ignition box. The rate of spark ignition can be controlled by a cheap function generator. I have incorporated this design into my reactor. I will try this out. In the meantime, I need to hear from smart theoriticians here to see if this research direction makes sense.
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
Awesome, Great minds think alike, eh? :-) Let us know how it goes. How are you driving your spark plug? I am planning a simple CDI Electronic Ignition Box for a CRRC-Pro 26cc engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130659127048 This box appears to be connected directly to the spark plug without the need for another ignition coil. The connector is a spark plug cap connector so it must connect directly to the spark plug. The input appears to be a sensor on the flywheel. I suspect a square wave voltage of say 3v would would probably drive the box electronics to fire the spark plug. The CRRC-Pro engine has a max RPM of 9500 and since this engine is a two strike engine, the spark must be firing 9500 time every minute or 158 times per second or 158 hz on the square wave. I suspect this will support firing maybe up to 300 hz or so. I only found 1 paper on the energy released by a spark and it said 2.4 joule/sec per spark. It seems high to me. Does anyone have any idea how much power a spark releases? I am wondering if the sparks would provide enough energy to heat the reactor sufficiently. Could it be that the heat is only needed for ionizing the hydrogen, and since the spark ionizes the hydrogen directly, the raw heat may not be required? or maybe less raw heat is required. Anyone has any ideas on whether sparks would be a great way to create a Rydberg Hydrogen environment? Axil? - Original Message - From: mårten Sundling To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: [Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Hello You are thinking like me. I have a spark plug in my reactor design to. Not tried it yet though. Marten Skickat från min HTC - Reply message - Från: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Till: Vortex Vortex-l@eskimo.com Rubrik: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Datum: sön, mar 11, 2012 06:10 Hey gang, another problem to mull over. I was studying Spark discharges based on the suggestion of a person I have great respect for, and I found this study. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5379213 According to this abstract, spark discharges are an efficient means of producing nascent monoatomic hydrogen. The efficiency of conversion to monoatomic hydrogen appears to be 30 to 40% with a low recombination rate with monoatomic hydrogen still found 40 mm away from the initial discharge. If somebody has access to this paper, please let us know what the entire paper says. Anyways, this got me wondering. Could Rossi be using a spark discharge inside his reactor. The evidence for this appears to be anecdotal. I wonder if he calls this spark discharge his RF as some have suggested. With a 30 to 40% efficiency, this appears to be a very efficient and low energy means to supply a steady availability of nascent hydrogen which would already be partially ionized. Could this be the Rossi Catalyst we've been hunting for? Could it be that the electical energy required to maintain the Rossi reaction be the energy to create sparks to provide a constant strean of nascent ionized hyrdogen? This would seem logical cause Rossi seems to insist on using electricity to heat his reactor to maintain the reaction. Logic would dictate that a more efficient way to maintain throttling heat would be to divert some of the output heat back to the input, as our dearly departed friend George Hody (Mary Yugo) would say. It seems that Rossi is not doing this because it won't work. He needs sparks not raw heat to maintain his reaction. What do you guys think. Is sparking a necessary ingredient for the Rossi formula. Would sparks be an efficient means of creating Rydberg hydrogen atons to create an environment suitable for LENR? If sparks are a necessary ingredient, I have found a very cheap and efficient way to create these sparks - by using a spark plug driven by a CDI electronic ignition box. The rate of spark ignition can be controlled by a cheap function generator. I have incorporated this design into my reactor. I will try this out. In the meantime, I need to hear from smart theoriticians here to see if this research direction makes sense.
[Vo]:Re: [VO] To spark or Not to spark
I think Rossi is misdirecting us with this heat answer. I doubt any heat would work. If it does, why can't the process heat inside provide the needed heat? Why is there a need to provide electrical heat. Rossi appears to be insistent that electricity is needed to drive the process, to control it; which leads me to conclude that he is using electricity for something other than raw heat. Maybe RF or sparks from electricity. This speculation would also apply to DGT's Triggered Reaction as speculated by many here in Vortex. There was a discussion a few post back where the temperature of the hydrogen spiked and then dropped suddenly. Only one process in my mind is capable of doing this - sparks. Sparks could bring the hydrogen temps up rapidly and the temps would die down just a quickly. DGT must be controlling the reaction by modulating the frequency and intensity of the sparks. Sparks require very little energy, hence the COP can be high. I suspect some kind of bulk heat is needed to bring the hydrogen to near ionization temps. Then the sparks ionize the hydrogen to maintain the reactions. Many have speculated that the catalyst was needed to dissociate H2 to H+ atoms. I suspect Rossi was initially using copper and iron powder to do so. Later on, he found out that sparks worked better at this; hence, he introduced his RF which was essentially sparks. I believe all of Rossi's later e-Cats now use RF. (Somebody correct me if I misunderstood this.) - Original Message - From: Brad bhl...@gmail.com To: jth...@hotmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: Rossi replication? I too am interested in the spark plug idea. I asked Rossi if there was a cathode/annode in his reactor or if any heat source such as Bunsen would work and he said any heat... But he may have been lying or had not tried it. Where is your lab? I am In The Bay Area, California. Brad Sent from my iPhone
Re: [Vo]: To spark or Not to spark
I found this paragraph on Wiki. Rydberg atoms in plasmas Rydberg atoms form commonly in plasmas due to the recombination of electrons and positive ions; low energy recombination results in fairly stable Rydberg atoms, while recombination of electrons and positive ions with high kinetic energy often form autoionising Rydberg states. Rydberg atoms' large sizes and susceptibility to perturbation and ionisation by electric and magnetic fields, are an important factor determining the properties of plasmas.[16] Condensation of Rydberg atoms forms Rydberg matter most often observed in form of long-lived clusters. The de-excitation is significantly impeded in Rydberg matter by exchange-correlation effects in the non-uniform electron liquid formed on condensation by the collective valence electrons, which causes extended lifetime of clusters.[17] So it does seem hydrogen plasmas would easily recombine into Rydberg atoms. Does this mean sparks would be a good way to create Rydberg atoms? Oh, how I wished I had Axil's understanding right now.
[Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
Jojo Im using a plc Transistor output connected to a car ignition coil. I can push 8A directly sl it should be enough. Atleast i believe sl. Marten Skickat från min HTC - Reply message - Från: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com Rubrik: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Datum: sön, mar 11, 2012 11:14 Awesome, Great minds think alike, eh? :-) Let us know how it goes. How are you driving your spark plug? I am planning a simple CDI Electronic Ignition Box for a CRRC-Pro 26cc engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130659127048 This box appears to be connected directly to the spark plug without the need for another ignition coil. The connector is a spark plug cap connector so it must connect directly to the spark plug. The input appears to be a sensor on the flywheel. I suspect a square wave voltage of say 3v would would probably drive the box electronics to fire the spark plug. The CRRC-Pro engine has a max RPM of 9500 and since this engine is a two strike engine, the spark must be firing 9500 time every minute or 158 times per second or 158 hz on the square wave. I suspect this will support firing maybe up to 300 hz or so. I only found 1 paper on the energy released by a spark and it said 2.4 joule/sec per spark. It seems high to me. Does anyone have any idea how much power a spark releases? I am wondering if the sparks would provide enough energy to heat the reactor sufficiently. Could it be that the heat is only needed for ionizing the hydrogen, and since the spark ionizes the hydrogen directly, the raw heat may not be required? or maybe less raw heat is required. Anyone has any ideas on whether sparks would be a great way to create a Rydberg Hydrogen environment? Axil? - Original Message - From: mårten Sundling To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: [Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Hello You are thinking like me. I have a spark plug in my reactor design to. Not tried it yet though. Marten Skickat från min HTC - Reply message -Från: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.comTill: Vortex Vortex-l@eskimo.comRubrik: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to SparkDatum: sön, mar 11, 2012 06:10 Hey gang, another problem to mull over. I was studying Spark discharges based on the suggestion of a person I have great respect for, and I found this study. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5379213 According to this abstract, spark discharges are an efficient means of producing nascent monoatomic hydrogen. The efficiency of conversion to monoatomic hydrogen appears to be 30 to 40% with a low recombination rate with monoatomic hydrogen still found 40 mm away from the initial discharge. If somebody has access to this paper, please let us know what the entire paper says. Anyways, this got me wondering. Could Rossi be using a spark discharge inside his reactor. The evidence for this appears to be anecdotal. I wonder if he calls this spark discharge his RF as some have suggested. With a 30 to 40% efficiency, this appears to be a very efficient and low energy means to supply a steady availability of nascent hydrogen which would already be partially ionized. Could this be the Rossi Catalyst we've been hunting for? Could it be that the electical energy required to maintain the Rossi reaction be the energy to create sparks to provide a constant strean of nascent ionized hyrdogen? This would seem logical cause Rossi seems to insist on using electricity to heat his reactor to maintain the reaction. Logic would dictate that a more efficient way to maintain throttling heat would be to divert some of the output heat back to the input, as our dearly departed friend George Hody (Mary Yugo) would say. It seems that Rossi is not doing this because it won't work. He needs sparks not raw heat to maintain his reaction. What do you guys think. Is sparking a necessary ingredient for the Rossi formula. Would sparks be an efficient means of creating Rydberg hydrogen atons to create an environment suitable for LENR? If sparks are a necessary ingredient, I have found a very cheap and efficient way to create these sparks - by using a spark plug driven by a CDI electronic ignition box. The rate of spark ignition can be controlled by a cheap function generator. I have incorporated this design into my reactor. I will try this out. In the meantime, I need to hear from smart theoriticians here to see if this research direction makes sense.
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
hello guys, just an idea: Working together on an open source-LENR-device. There seems to be quite some knowledge here at vortex, and a couple of people seem to work in their backyard on their own devices. This is suboptimal. How about that: introduce some economy of scale: lets say ten devices, which need not be identical, but have a common base, e.g. nano-Nickel, a certain type of reaction chamber, hydrogen etc. the basic construction could be implemented via division of labour. one builds the basic reaction-chamber, the other procures the nano-Nickel, the third provides for some basic electronics, and so on. It does not make sense to procure nano-Nickel in every individual case. I'm thinking of about maybe ten devices, which share a common design, and can be freeley varied to optimize the effect. The overall concept seems to be straightforward enough, to make this a reasonable approach. It would have the consequence, that nobody can monopolize the technology via patents or secret sausages etc. Waiting for Godotin the form of Rossi or Defkalion otr Miles or McKubre is starting to go onto my nerves. What do You think? Von: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 11:14 Sonntag, 11.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Awesome, Great minds think alike, eh? :-) Let us know how it goes. How are you driving your spark plug? I am planning a simple CDI Electronic Ignition Box for a CRRC-Pro 26cc engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130659127048
Re: [Vo]:Re: [VO] To spark or Not to spark
I don't think he his misdirecting us. electric heating is much more simple to control and apply locally than other. DGT talk of a heating technique, confidential. maybe is it chemicla/physical (like some hydride unloading, as patented and shown here about a device heating car catalytic exhaust device)... anyway if chemical/physical sources can heat stongly they are harder to control. another technic to control heat is plumbing and throtling of fluid. another is structural retroaction, like there is in classic fission reactor, or even stronger in lead-bismuth reactors. someone talk about a simple method to stabilize the temperature, is to have the cooling fluid nearly at the same temperature as the target temperature. when temp increase, the heat flux increase greatly... but note that DGT explained that to control the reactor they use a pulse modulation. Since their reactor is evolving constantly (like a wood fire change as the wood log is burned), it should be adaptative and fine tuned to avoid melting... electric is much more practical than ultra fast and find plumbing to distribute heat. to increase the COP, there are other tracks... maybe controling the losses, using hotter fluid, using another catalyst, increasing the pressure... 2012/3/11 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com I think Rossi is misdirecting us with this heat answer. I doubt any heat would work. If it does, why can't the process heat inside provide the needed heat? Why is there a need to provide electrical heat. Rossi appears to be insistent that electricity is needed to drive the process, to control it; which leads me to conclude that he is using electricity for something other than raw heat. Maybe RF or sparks from electricity. This speculation would also apply to DGT's Triggered Reaction as speculated by many here in Vortex. There was a discussion a few post back where the temperature of the hydrogen spiked and then dropped suddenly. Only one process in my mind is capable of doing this - sparks. Sparks could bring the hydrogen temps up rapidly and the temps would die down just a quickly. DGT must be controlling the reaction by modulating the frequency and intensity of the sparks. Sparks require very little energy, hence the COP can be high. I suspect some kind of bulk heat is needed to bring the hydrogen to near ionization temps. Then the sparks ionize the hydrogen to maintain the reactions. Many have speculated that the catalyst was needed to dissociate H2 to H+ atoms. I suspect Rossi was initially using copper and iron powder to do so. Later on, he found out that sparks worked better at this; hence, he introduced his RF which was essentially sparks. I believe all of Rossi's later e-Cats now use RF. (Somebody correct me if I misunderstood this.) - Original Message - From: Brad bhl...@gmail.com To: jth...@hotmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:24 PM Subject: Rossi replication? I too am interested in the spark plug idea. I asked Rossi if there was a cathode/annode in his reactor or if any heat source such as Bunsen would work and he said any heat... But he may have been lying or had not tried it. Where is your lab? I am In The Bay Area, California. Brad Sent from my iPhone
Re: [Vo]:Kara
I-tunes is free. Why not windows media player? That's why I had to ask a kid. Windows Media Player makes WMP files. I need MP3 files to get it to play on my Kindle fire. It looks like Apple won the music war. Frank -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Kara I hope you didn't pay anything because Windows Media Player does it for free. T On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I just found some time and loaded all of my 50 CDs to mp3 files. I had to ask a kid how to do it. He said use I-Tunes.
RE: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
From Alain: krivits is only relayin the unsourced data that orbit around... hoak or not ? I find it interesting that Krivit, who claims to be an investigative reporter on matters of Cold Fusion and nuclear reactions, would seem to play fast and loose with the news when it comes to certain personalities, like Rossi. This should be of concern to many because: http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/about/about.shtml He [Krivit] and/or New Energy Times have been quoted or cited in Nature, Science, MSNBC, Chemical Engineering News, Chemistry World, Intute, Current Science and many other media outlets. Meanwhile, when it comes to Rossi it would seem that any source is worth printing, particularly any source that insinuates (or misconstrues) the possibility that Rossi might be a fraud. What Krivit prints, Krivit subsequently hopes will end up getting quoted in reputable sources like Nature, Science, MSNBC, Chemical L Engineering News, etc... Unfortunately, when Krivit's investigations ends up getting quoted in these other sources, I suspect few of them will have taken the time to understand what seems to be motivating Krivit to say some of the things he says. I suspect few of them are aware of the fact that Krivit has shown a relentless agenda that insinuates Rossi is most likely a fraud. Meanwhile, how many of these other news sources will take the time to notice what Krivit seems to be favorably advocating in place of Rossi. How many of these news sources will take the time to notice how incredibly one-sided Krivit's news can occasionally get at times. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:looking for some pictures
I am seeking a royalty free picture of: A carbon microphone, the kind the screwed into the mouthpiece of older telephones. An old speaker with and electromagnet from a 1930's radio. If you have one of these things and could send me a picture I would be happy. Its for my cell phone adapter book. I am going to do the history of microphones and end with the amplified cartage electrolet which we will use. I will also do transformers and end with the audio transformer that we will use. I have all the picture I need here. Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Kara
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:34 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: I-tunes is free. Why not windows media player? That's why I had to ask a kid. Windows Media Player makes WMP files. I need MP3 files to get it to play on my Kindle fire. It looks like Apple won the music war. http://download.cnet.com/mp3-codec-for-Windows-Media-Player/3000-2169_4-10630559.html I've ripped all my CDs and Audiobooks to MP3 on Media Player. You can also adjust the coding rate which can compress a whole 14 disk book onto a single disk. The codec is standard on later versions of Media Player. T
[Vo]:British Space Exploration Reborn
With the advent of the PARIS project: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/04/paris_video/ T
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
Looks like SA has replaced eCat with Hyperion on his top 5 list: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Top_5_Exotic_Free_Energy_Technologies T
RE: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
From Terry, Looks like SA has replaced eCat with Hyperion on his top 5 list: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Top_5_Exotic_Free_Energy_Technologies http://peswiki.com/index.php/Top_5_Exotic_Free_Energy_Technologies Interesting. Rossi's eCats now rate in 9th place in the runner up section. Of course, staying power is everything. I think Pink Floyd's LP The Dark Side of the Moon was ranked in the top 100 for several decades. It may have been the longest ranked album for staying in the top 100 in history. It's still one of my favorites. ;-) Money Well, get back I'm all right Jack Keep your hands off of my stack http://www.elyrics.net/read/p/pink-floyd-lyrics/money-lyrics.html Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Of course, staying power is everything. I think Pink Floyd's LP The Dark Side of the Moon was ranked in the top 100 for several decades. Since 1972, my freshman year of college. Four times I have been struck by: . . .ten years have got behind you , , , from the lyrics of Time. T
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
Yes, I got Rossi's latest info email. He is going to build an automated factory and has found a turbine that will run on E-Cat heat. WHERE IS THE INDEPENDENT TEST? I have seen this sort of action before, Yuri had great factories in production, Russ George just purchased the latest chemical analyzer, Black Light power has every sort of hydrino possible, going way back to Morray, his device even picked up the most far away radio stations ever, Stan Myer just need to get his microchip no other microchip would do, and a conspiracy stopped the Corries cold. Lots of hoopla and no independent tests. Same story different day. Frank
[Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
Rossi is a bigger threat to himself... I am still puzzled how Defkalion takes what Rossi has, which everyone seems convinced is nothing and now claim to have something, unless... On Sunday, March 11, 2012, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Of course, staying power is everything. I think Pink Floyd's LP The Dark Side of the Moon was ranked in the top 100 for several decades. Since 1972, my freshman year of college. Four times I have been struck by: . . .ten years have got behind you , , , from the lyrics of Time. T
RE: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
Jed, I downloaded XAMPP and eventually unzipped the contents onto a thumb drive. I think running XAMPP on a thumb drive will make it possible to run my own portable test server wherever I go. I haven't run my own web server since the 1990s. I'm sure a lot of things have changed since then, particularly security issues. If I execute the xampp-control.exe control program and start up the apache server (and MYSQL) I noticed that this inserts an XAMPP server icon in my window's system tray. Ok, standard operation procedure. ;-) I can access http://localhost and see that XAMPP is running. Success! Ok, so far, so good. However, if I attempt to shut down the XAMPP server it seems shut down my entire household network. In no time my wife lets me know that she can't access her favorite web site where she has been posting messages... and what the hell have I done to the network this time! So far the only way I can get the household network up and running again (that is, after I attempt to shut down the XAMPP service) is to restart both my modem and wireless Lynksys router. That seems to clear up the communication problem. I suspect (I hope) my current approach is fixing the problem with a sledge hammer. Are you aware of a less brutal way of shutting down the XAMPP server while leaving a home network unscathed? Just curious. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
