Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: In an AC situation, there would be alternate production of hydrogen and oxygen at the same electrode. So one would expect a level of recombination, which could, I'd think, easily produce a glow. Tangential question -- has anyone looked at what the optimal AC frequency would be for loading and unloading deuterium in palladium if the aim is to generate a substantial flux back and forth through the surface layer? It occurred to me that if the frequency far outpaced the rate of loading, the resulting flux might end up being relatively small. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: No modern society can survive without some measure of redistribution from wealthy people to middle class and poor people. This necessity is imposed by our technology, in manufacturing and farming. We will soon need much more redistribution, to nearly everyone: I've been wondering about the role of technological change and the accompanying affects on the labor market and the general welfare of society. With the apparently increasing churn in job tenure, it will no doubt be more and more difficult for many to get a solid foot in the middle class as things currently stand in a country like the US. This is not just bad for those out of work but also for society. Having people loiter around, unable to find work, or in menial positions that do not lead anywhere, does no one any good. If one accepts this premise, there seems to be a choice between a less flexible labor market, on one hand, and a stronger social safety net, on the other (or perhaps both). I don't think a less flexible labor market is the way to go in a technologically advanced society. So I find the Scandanavian approach to the safety net a very interesting one. I even take a little bit of gleeful pleasure in the fact that conservatives in the US deride this general line of thinking as European (with all due respect to the self-identified conservatives on this list). I say increasing churn, but perhaps this is mistaken, in historical terms. Eric
Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: We are not capable of anything like the fully automated version in which all of the necessity of life are handed out for free. That will take 100 years. Maybe 200 years. As an interesting side note to the economic discussion, there is the cautionary tail of the Speenhamland system in England in the late 1700s. I suspect the difficulties have been exaggerated or even misdiagnosed, but one can still be warned about attempting anything more than piecemeal social engineering. (Not that anyone has suggested that here.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speenhamland_system Eric
[Vo]:Progress from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (Celani replication)
Hello group, This is via E-Cat World. Check it out: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/progress-from-the-martin-fleischmann-memorial-project/ I chatted today with Bob Greenyer, one of the members of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project, an organization whose goal is to provide irrefutable evidence of the reality and usefulness of LENR technology, or New Fire as they term it. It is clear the members of the MFMP have been active and busy in pursuing their goals, and new information is available on their web site, quantumheat.org T The MFPP has decided that the best way for them to proceed at present is to work on a replication of the Celani cold fusion cell, and we can keep track of the progress of their work on their new Progress Blog which includes a detailed record in text and pictures of what they are doing. Bob emphasized that his team is absolutely committed to carrying out their goals which are certainly ambitious. He assured me that there is more to come from the project and there will be a major push to involve as many people as possible in participating in their efforts to make sure that the New Fire makes a successful entrance onto the world stage. They have a progress blog with lots of high quality photos, data and information: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/replicate/progress-blog A recent video of their labs and current progress (HD Quality): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26k3Cz3wW-8 Witness HUG making preparations for New Fire replication apparatus. Since ICCF17 members of the subsequently formed Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (MFMP) have been working hard to realise their primary aim, to show to the world there is a new practical primary energy source we call the New Fire. Hunt Utilities Group have put their full weight behind the projects aims and as you can see in this video, in little more than a month, they had made great strides to deliver testable prototypes of a variation on the Celani Cell. This video shows one of the first prototype cells being put through pressure and temperature stress testing and calibration profiling. Please seek ways to support our replication effort so we can help light the New Fire. This looks very promising. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years
Jed says:
...
Capitalism, communism, Feudalism, mercantalism and every other economic system
ever invented can be defined as:
A system to allocate human labor, goods and services.
Some of these systems have been efficient; others were inefficient. Some were
just; others were unjust, and still others tyrannical.
...
Well.
I'd like to comment on this a bit:
1) any economic system is embedded in a system of societal beliefs -- how the
world works --
2) a) ...human labor... is a western abstraction
b) ...goods... is a societal construct ('basic needs' being somewhat more
universal)
c) ...services... a modern concept applicable to societies western style.
A priest could be understood as providing a 'service'. For a shaman
or monk this is not so easy.
3) ...efficient... depends on the frame of reference, and has astong
teleological component. EG biosystems/ecosystems are often termed inefficient
-see photosynthesis being only 0.5 to 1% 'efficient'.
question: 'efficient' wrt what?
See:
...A simple way of distinguishing between Efficiency and Effectiveness is the
saying, Efficiency is doing things right, while Effectiveness is doing the
right things. This is based on the premise that selection of objectives of a
process are just as important as the quality of that process
(wikipedia)
cf also the myth of the lazy native
http://multiworldindia.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/THE-MYTH-OF-THE-LAZY-NATIVE.doc
or the collection of medicinal herbs in Tibet, where 'time' for collection and
preparation traditionally does not play any role and is not understandable
within the western conceptions of 'efficiency', 'labor' etc.
Sorry for being so picky.
Guenter
Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years
Is ancient China included as being part of the west? A quick check of some basic history of ancient china seems to suggest that what I would consider to be the organisation of human labor was present going right back to the very earliest dynasties. However, I would tend to think that so many things have now changed so much, that we cannot simply assume that any economic system that was appropriate in the past is necessarily right for the future. Nigel On 06/10/2012 10:44, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: Well. I'd like to comment on this a bit: 1) any economic system is embedded in a system of societal beliefs -- how the world works -- 2) a) ...human labor... is a western abstraction Sorry for being so picky. Guenter
Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate
At 01:37 AM 10/6/2012, Eric Walker wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: In an AC situation, there would be alternate production of hydrogen and oxygen at the same electrode. So one would expect a level of recombination, which could, I'd think, easily produce a glow. Tangential question -- has anyone looked at what the optimal AC frequency would be for loading and unloading deuterium in palladium if the aim is to generate a substantial flux back and forth through the surface layer? Â It occurred to me that if the frequency far outpaced the rate of loading, the resulting flux might end up being relatively small. The SuperWave approach of Energetics Technologies superimposes a complex AC signal on the DC loading current. Actually reversing the current would have complex effects. Shutting off the current immediately initiates deloading, it is essentially sublimation of the hydrogen/deuterium. That is the apparent trigger for Heat After Death. Heating the cathode would accelerate this process, to a point. Heat After Death on steroids. HAD is interesting because at that point there is no input energy. The release of deuterium is endothermic. The only likely chemical process at that point could be recombination, but in a standard open cell, oxygen will not be readily available (and deuterium/oxygen mix does not recombine until it's brought to ignition temperature. While oxygen dissolved in the electrolyte will recombine in contact with the catalytic action of palladium, there is only a very limited amount of oxygen so available. Apparently recombination does not occur at high rates. Obviously, if the cathode were heated to accelerate movement of deuterium, that would be energy input, but that input would be easily monitored. Much serious PdD electrochemical work is with closed cells, with catalytic recombination installed above the electrolytic bath, so that recombined heavy water drips back, and so that the heat generated from recombination is restored. Otherwise to determine actual excess power, with open cells, one must factor for the released combustible gases, a loss of energy from the cell system.
Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years
Ironically, the transition to a post-labor political economy I worked out in a white paper 20 years ago (1992)http://ota.polyonymo.us/others-papers/NetAssetTax_Bowery.txtwas motivated by my experience getting legislation drafted and signed into law that privatized government technology programshttp://push.pickensplan.com/profiles/blogs/2187034:BlogPost:822703, including the US fusion energy programhttp://www.oocities.org/jim_bowery/BussardsLetter.html. Essentially the idea is to replace all government functions with market functions that are supported by a citizen's dividend. Critically, however, that citizen's dividend must be funded by a net asset tax during the transition. This view resulted from my confronting not only the public sector rent-seeking embodied in government programs -- centralizing power in the public sector -- but the manifest capital market failure resulting from private sector rent-seeking and the concomitant centralization of wealth in the private sector without that sector taking on the risk of technology development. The political economy debate has been limited to basically a choice between Keynesian school public-sector trickle-down economics and Austrian school private-sector trickle-down economics. Neither one works -- especially in a post-labor economy. Since that time, in addition to refining the operational definitions, I've expanded the scope of that political economy to reformulate the fundamental approach to human rights around the citizen's dividend so that rather than voting in the ballot box, people vote with their feet to assortatively migrate to live among those sharing their strongly held beliefs in causal laws of human ecology (sociology). This rescues the social sciences from the quasi-theocratic morass in which it has wandered by offering voluntary controlled experiments to test strongly held beliefs in causal laws of human ecology. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: Is ancient China included as being part of the west? A quick check of some basic history of ancient china seems to suggest that what I would consider to be the organisation of human labor was present going right back to the very earliest dynasties. However, I would tend to think that so many things have now changed so much, that we cannot simply assume that any economic system that was appropriate in the past is necessarily right for the future. Nigel On 06/10/2012 10:44, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: Well. I'd like to comment on this a bit: 1) any economic system is embedded in a system of societal beliefs -- how the world works -- 2) a) ...human labor... is a western abstraction Sorry for being so picky. Guenter
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
Dictatorial Communism allocated resources through the control of prices and production. Calls for the redistribution income in a free market system is nothing like this. Harry On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The Internet also say so- see for example: https://www.technologyreview.com/emtech/12/ received this morning, one suggestion from many that technological progress COULD contribute to the solving of Humanity's great problems. I am just working on a blog publication about effectiveness and efficiency- in two parts- 1- about the dark side of these concepts and 2- about efficiency of/in cold fusion/LENR research. Only commercial LENR could contribute to problem solving- something much better than combustion, fission, wind and solar energy -and the efforts/results ratio was very small till now. LENR per se is wicked problem. Peter On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I have the experience of 45 years of Communism and now 22 years of nascent capitalism. The Kaltwasser Doctrine (see on my blog) applies to both but Capitalism is definitelly better.if you like work,education and have good inititiatives. I have learned that it is an immense difference between social theories and social practice so I am more than skepticalregarding redistribution. It can be imagined a complex, slow, developing system for diminishing the Gini coefficients of a state but the resistance will be fierce. The social problems are very wicked everywhere. Peter, You have accumulated far more first-hand experience than I have assembled within my 60 years of life. I am not in a position to challenge what you had to endure either, nor do I want to. I'm glad you survived in order to tell us all what you experienced. Perhaps I error on this point but I will assume that some Vorts may have come to the conclusion that I must be some kind of a communist at heart. Jojo certainly seems to have labeled me as such, along with a few other derogatory terms. But no matter. FWIW, I continue perceive myself as a capitalist at heart. In my view, those who work harder, those who continue to innovate and bring improvements into the everyday lives of others should be rewarded. I suspect capitalism, flawed it may be, is probably better at compensating such individuals than any other system. It's imperative that Incentives and rewards be in place. However... It's my suspicion that with ensuing advancements of technology, automation and robotics, traditional capitalism as it is currently practiced will have to evolve... perhaps radically. I personally suspect that capitalism will eventually have to incorporate a number of socialistic concepts into its fundamental core, particularly things like universal health care. Capitalism, in turn, will have to improve on many of these socialistic rights. I think most capitalistic societies will eventually come around to a realization that what used to be considered privileged benefits that only the rich and well off could afford should be perceived as universal rights that are to be bestowed on all of its citizens. Such benefits would include unemployment compensation that, if warranted, simultaneously incorporates free job re-training. Eventually, free advanced eduction should become another inevitable universal right as well. However, I think such benefits will only be possible through the continued advances of technology, automation and robotics. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Progress from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (Celani replication)
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: This looks very promising. I agree. They seem capable. Their technological goals appear to be fairly specific and limited. I get the sense that they are proceeding systematically. They have identified an interesting business niche, have the necessary infrastructure and are seeking to make their design as transparent as possible. And their goal, which appears to be to get a test kit out along the lines that have been discussed here in other connections, could potentially stimulate further scientific and industrial research into LENR if the kit can demonstrate a clear effect. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic field
Perhaps the best issue to be noted is the spinning electromagnet manifested as a field of a car alternator. No where do I see it mentioned, except in my own research: that there is a correct direction for the DC field currents to be in harmony with the rotation. This only stands to be common sense where it comes to drift velocity, for the field rotation and its current to be delivered from non moving slip ring contacts; one method will deliver current in agreement with the drift velocity direction, while the other will detract from it showing as a reduced stator voltage. There are numerable proofs that counter the remanent magnetism and parametric case as the cause for power output without field energization. Here is some further scribbling of notes never sent when this subject last came up Once when I was more naive I thought about the magnetic field surrounding a wire broken by a capacitor coupling device. As I visualized the magnetic field due to the current, I began to think that there must be a gap or discontinuity since no real current is flowing within the capacitor. Between the plates there is only an electric field that is changing as charge is being added or subtracted from the plates of the capacitor. Now I will explain something that NO ONE has ever answered! It even bothers the theorists who explain it away as a heating loss of wires or something. Or they say it was lost as the magnetic field around the wires connecting the parts. The big dummies never even considered that it was lost as the magnetic field movement around the capacitor itself! Thus they have not thought to put in special collectors of this lost energy; and then reconvert that lost energy back into another capacitor. Let me know if you think this can be done. I have two equal C values. I charge one up and find the joules of energy contained in it. Now I take the other unused C value and allow one to charge up the other to equilibrium. Now I compare the total amount of energy contained in both parts and find only half the original amount of energy! Where did the missing energy go to? CAN I MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT WHEREBY MORE THEN HALF THE ENERGY MAY BE SHARED BY BOTH OF THE CAPACITORS? 2009 Flux Capacitor Model http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/4138926072/ This shows both an inductor and a water capacitor that will have the same reactance at alternator frequency of 465 hz. Bigger things make possible what is not feasible using smaller components. Separately Spaced Magnetic Electric Fields http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/4138199465/ If we do the same sort of capacitor sharing of charge experiment with AC at the resonant frequency instead of DC, we find that connecting a single plate of the two capacitors together will cause the sender cap to loose 11% of its charge, but in turn the remaining capacitor will be charged to 85% of the former caps full charge value. this is done merely by having one electric field change causing magnetic field change in the equation, and combining this with the weaker mutual inductive sharing of the coils on a side by side basis. What the theorists have failed to recognize in making this translation is that they have not put magnetic collectors or hugh inductors around two axial capacities. As one capacity charges the other one up to equilibrium, the two inductors could also charge up two more caps with a one way diode valve in the coil-cap pathway to prevent continuing recurring weaker oscillations (On a changing magnetic field NOT causing a changing electric field by spatial vicinity: radio waves would not exist in a vacuum if a vacuum was supposed to prevent this from happening) This of course is absolutely untrue and the best way to demonstrate the fact is to instead use an axial capacity. Put another similar size coil on top or around that axial capacity and look for the inductive effects of that axial capacity. I will stretch this thought even further and have already demonstrated it in which I called it a magnifier principle. It is perfectly possible to demonstrate that using two identical coils that using your axial capacitive electric field case can result in a coil A inducing current on adjacent identical coil B, where coil B will contain more current then the sender coil A. http://youtu.be/ho-SUqBTrpk Video Records from 10/21/10: This video shows the fourth coil vibration used to show the flux capacitor principle being in excess of its source of vibration from the 3rd coil system that has its electric field's obtained from series resonance encased in the volume of the fourth extra coils magnetic field, where this MAGNIFICATION of the vibration is shown once the neon load is removed. The sequence of adding the interphasal resonances is shown. At 8:26 in video ending we see that 1.86 ma from the sender causes 2.41 ma on the receiver. http://youtu.be/FAc3jQziicc As you can see for this to happen the extra
[Vo]:Prize Fight
Prize Fight (audio interview) http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/10/06/october-6-2012/#5 This coming week, the Nobel Prizes for 2012 will be announced at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden. Achievements will be recognized in scientific fields, including medicine, physics and chemistry. A Nobel Prize is prestigious; it brings fame and glory, a place in history, and, of course, money. But the new book, Prize Fight: The Race and the Rivalry to be the First in Science, chronicles a darker side to the famous awards. The author, Dr. Morton Meyers, a Distinguished Professor of Radiology and Medicine at the State University of New York, describes the painful battles and even bitterly contested lawsuits behind some of the greatest Nobel-winning achievements, including research into tuberculosis, AIDS and MRI technology. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=FIrjnrTYofc Russ tries helium in video 12. Cheers:Axil On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: If shockwave production is central to the Papp reaction, it may be possible to build a Papp generator without the need for a piston. Here is my reasoning: When the spark fires, a shock wave will form, expand, and travel down the length of the tube. This wave is comprised of a shockwave front of both electrons and ions. The electrons will move down the tube far faster than the positive protons because they are 2000 times lighter. This shockwave will produce a large electric current along the axis of the tube parallel to its length. This flow of electrons will produce a huge magnetic field that will be emanated accorting to the right hand rule with the thumb pointing in the direction of shockwave travel. The magnetic field will circle the circumference of the tube and be oriented parallel to it. A network of a large number of thin copper wires can be arrayed along the length of the tube on its outside surface and parallel to its length direction, which also happens to be the direction of travel of the shockwave. The end of each element of this multi-wire mesh can then be connected at the ends of each of these equally long elements to a common connector at two opposing junctions just beyond each end of the tube. This mesh of parallel wires can now convert the rapidly changing magnetic flux as it expands and contracts to electric power that can be rectified and stored in capacitors. This power generated my the mesh can be added to the feedback power produced by plasma collapse of the shockwave that is usually found in Papp engines. If the mesh of wires is thick enough, all the rapidly changing magnetic flux lines can be converted to electricity at maximum efficiency without the need for any mechanical moving parts. Additionally from the perspective of experimentation, if magnetic field lines can be detected when the Papp engine is fired, the production of a shockwave will be both verified and quantified. Cheers:Axil On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:46 AM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Vortex, Some updates on Papp development.. Which most of you know is a noble gas that is charged (by RF/spark) and drives a piston with an unexplained (?) force. Harvesting the force and residual energy to produce overunity power remains to be seen. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Plasma_Energy_Controls_Plasma_Expansion_Motor An open source Papp Engine based on Bob's design is being built by a 26 yr old whiz named Russ. He has made great progress in just a few weeks-- a cylinder based on Bob's test unit, spark generator, gas system, and more. I'm sure he'll be looking for ideas on how to mix and test noble gas mixtures. http://rwgresearch.com/ https://www.youtube.com/user/rwg42985?feature=g-user-u http://www.open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=659 Bob is chiming in with feedback, which is great to see. The forum is at 12 pages and is filled with interesting tidbits. Here is a (self-taught?) Dannel Roberts and his visit to Bob's shop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=_zWJNyoFgJM Starting at 22:40 is Robert's theory of how the Papp engine creates a bang... Chuck (a LENR replicator) received his Popper Kit from John. It contains 15 pages of design/build notes and has a signal generator to drive 2 included spark coils. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lFt_q69dxkfeature=plcp Bob Rohner has also produced a few new movies, one warning of the potential dangers of building a popper.. another showing the system running without a coil, dispelling the thought that the coil could be the source of the force, showing that compressed air is not used. http://www.rohnermachine.com/pagedocuments.html https://www.youtube.com/user/bjrohner?feature=g-user-u All very interesting, but a lot of power is going in (300 joules?) so a lot of work, luck, and miracles may still be needed. - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Progress from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project (Celani replication)
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: A recent video of their labs and current progress (HD Quality): http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=26k3Cz3wW-8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26k3Cz3wW-8 Witness HUG making preparations for New Fire replication apparatus. I LOVE this! Look at the people in this video! This probably doubles the number of active researchers in U.S., and lowers the average age by about 30 years. These are just the kind of people we need. They are in Minnesota. Just the kind of place we need them. Far from the PPPL! Remember: the Industrial Revolution was invented in Edinburgh not London. Airplanes were invented in Dayton, not New York. Progress comes from the periphery. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:CR39
CR39 is very hard to use. It is not for dummies or beginners. That's the take home lesson I learned after listening to 2 days of discussion on CR32 by experts. There is a reason people invented electronic particle detectors and stopped using the analog ones such as CR39. A lot of reasons, actually. I am not saying the old techniques are inferior, but they are harder. To say they are inferior would be like saying that RTDs are better than mercury thermometers. That is true in some ways but not so true in other ways. It is complicated. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:CR39
Hi Axil, http://www.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-wrap/getdoc/slac-pub-5655.pdf Samples are chemically etched then tracks are counted using a microscope. I guess it'll be hard to find a guide for dummies. Cheers. From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 11:42 PM Subject: [Vo]:CR39 Has anyone run across a “how to use CR39 for dummies” type document or as an alternitve, a experimental procedure describing in detail the use CR39 to test for neutrons.
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
A Funny thing always happens in discussions about communism and its associated philosophies, like Socialism, Social Justice, Social Security and Income Redistribution, Income Equality and the like. Advocates of such a philosphy always couch their arguments in apologetic, deceptive and covert terms to make the philosophy appeal to more people. Such is the attempt of Harry below. He attempts to call Income Redistribution as NOTHING like this. (Communism). Well, in fact, Income Redistribution is a quintessential philosophy in communism. Every day people recognize it as such, while communist advocates deny it all day long hoping their readers are gullible. Why do communists adherrents do this? The answer is simple. Communistic philosophies are so repulsive and incompatible to human nature that ALL people naturally recoil from it. The only way communism is imposed on people is thru deception and force. Has there ever been a people or country under communist rule that would not want to free itself from it. Peter Gluck is a perfect example of how free thinking people always despise communism. And his is an example of billions more. Communism is a discredited and retrograde philosophy. And its tenets are always oppressive and unfair that people normally balk from it. No free thinking person would naturally cleave to communism. Yet, we have our resident moron and lazy bum from Wisconsin wanting to implement Income Redistribution so that he may have some discretionary income. Notice what he said: a modern economy cannot flourish unless the middle class can secure sufficient discretionary income in which to purchase goods and services that in-turn are mostly created by the working class. In other words, he wants money he did not work for so that he can spend it on stuff he does not need (discretionary). I don't know about you, but I call that LAZY. Well, I have news for the LAZY bum in Wisconsin. This modern society of America HAS flourished without income redistribution. In fact, it is now floundering because lazy bums like you have this entitlement mentality that you need money for discretionary spending. Unblelievable how you can say this with a straight face and pretend you are not a communist. There is nothing more abhorent in this world than liars, communists, socialist, liberals and lazy bums. And you my friend are all of these. Jojo - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized Dictatorial Communism allocated resources through the control of prices and production. Calls for the redistribution income in a free market system is nothing like this. Harry On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: The Internet also say so- see for example: https://www.technologyreview.com/emtech/12/ received this morning, one suggestion from many that technological progress COULD contribute to the solving of Humanity's great problems. I am just working on a blog publication about effectiveness and efficiency- in two parts- 1- about the dark side of these concepts and 2- about efficiency of/in cold fusion/LENR research. Only commercial LENR could contribute to problem solving- something much better than combustion, fission, wind and solar energy -and the efforts/results ratio was very small till now. LENR per se is wicked problem. Peter On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I have the experience of 45 years of Communism and now 22 years of nascent capitalism. The Kaltwasser Doctrine (see on my blog) applies to both but Capitalism is definitelly better.if you like work,education and have good inititiatives. I have learned that it is an immense difference between social theories and social practice so I am more than skepticalregarding redistribution. It can be imagined a complex, slow, developing system for diminishing the Gini coefficients of a state but the resistance will be fierce. The social problems are very wicked everywhere. Peter, You have accumulated far more first-hand experience than I have assembled within my 60 years of life. I am not in a position to challenge what you had to endure either, nor do I want to. I'm glad you survived in order to tell us all what you experienced. Perhaps I error on this point but I will assume that some Vorts may have come to the conclusion that I must be some kind of a communist at heart. Jojo certainly seems to have labeled me as such, along with a few other derogatory terms. But no matter. FWIW, I continue perceive myself as a capitalist at heart. In my view, those who work harder, those who continue to innovate and bring improvements into the everyday lives of others should be rewarded. I suspect capitalism, flawed it may be, is
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
This really doesn't make sense. All eagle species are flying species, but not all flying species are eagles. 2012/10/6 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Well, in fact, Income Redistribution is a quintessential philosophy in communism. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
Daniel, the income redistribution at USA was at it's peak in 1950's and 1960's when highest marginal tax rate for the rich people was 90%. Record high was 94% at 1940's. This golden era of keynesian redistribution saw highest prosperity increasing economic growth in history, because almost all of the economic growth went for the middle class. And where else it could even go, if the marginal tax rate for rich was 90%? Then there came Ronald Reagan that wanted to cut the taxes of rich, and the middle class of America is now dying. 90% of americans must be really lazy as their annual incomes has not increased even for one dollar during the past 30 years! The tax rate of the rich has fallen from 90% to 15 % and below. ―Jouni Sent from my iPad On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: This really doesn't make sense. All eagle species are flying species, but not all flying species are eagles. 2012/10/6 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Well, in fact, Income Redistribution is a quintessential philosophy in communism. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized
Aren't you mistaking me for JoJo? 2012/10/7 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Daniel, the income redistribution at USA was at it's peak in 1950's and 1960's when highest marginal tax rate for the rich people was 90%. Record high was 94% at 1940's. This golden era of keynesian redistribution saw highest prosperity increasing economic growth in history, because almost all of the economic growth went for the middle class. And where else it could even go, if the marginal tax rate for rich was 90%? Then there came Ronald Reagan that wanted to cut the taxes of rich, and the middle class of America is now dying. 90% of americans must be really lazy as their annual incomes has not increased even for one dollar during the past 30 years! The tax rate of the rich has fallen from 90% to 15 % and below. —Jouni Sent from my iPad On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:27 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: This really doesn't make sense. All eagle species are flying species, but not all flying species are eagles. 2012/10/6 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Well, in fact, Income Redistribution is a quintessential philosophy in communism. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic field
Perhaps the best issue to be noted is the spinning electromagnet manifested as a field of a car alternator. No where do I see it mentioned, except in my own research: that there is a correct direction for the DC field currents to be in harmony with the rotation. This only stands to be common sense where it comes to drift velocity, for the field rotation and its current to be delivered from non moving slip ring contacts; one method will deliver current in agreement with the drift velocity direction, while the other will detract from it showing as a reduced stator voltage. There are numerable proofs that counter the remanent magnetism and parametric case as the cause for power output without field energization. Here is some further scribbling of notes never sent when this subject last came up Once when I was more naive I thought about the magnetic field surrounding a wire broken by a capacitor coupling device. As I visualized the magnetic field due to the current, I began to think that there must be a gap or discontinuity since no real current is flowing within the capacitor. Between the plates there is only an electric field that is changing as charge is being added or subtracted from the plates of the capacitor. Now I will explain something that NO ONE has ever answered! It even bothers the theorists who explain it away as a heating loss of wires or something. Or they say it was lost as the magnetic field around the wires connecting the parts. The big dummies never even considered that it was lost as the magnetic field movement around the capacitor itself! Thus they have not thought to put in special collectors of this lost energy; and then reconvert that lost energy back into another capacitor. Let me know if you think this can be done. I have two equal C values. I charge one up and find the joules of energy contained in it. Now I take the other unused C value and allow one to charge up the other to equilibrium. Now I compare the total amount of energy contained in both parts and find only half the original amount of energy! Where did the missing energy go to? CAN I MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT WHEREBY MORE THEN HALF THE ENERGY MAY BE SHARED BY BOTH OF THE CAPACITORS? Take a relatively large inductor and place it in series with the second capacitor. This added inductor augments the already existing built in inductance due to the construction of the capacitors and the distance required to complete the connection. If the total inductance exhibits a low value of series resistance at the resonant frequency (high Q) then an oscillatory current will flow within the loop at that frequency. You will observe that energy is stored within the inductor as 1/2*L*I*I as well as within the capacitors in the form of 1/2*C*V*V. The instantaneous energy stored in the three components will be equal to the original amount in the one capacitor minus energy lost within the equivalent series resistance in the form of heat. An oscillation will continue to appear within the series resonant circuit until all of the missing energy is lost within the resistor. Once things settle down the voltage will be one half of the original value across both capacitors. If you reduce the net series inductance then the losses associated with the series resonance will quickly absorb the energy as the frequency of oscillation increases. You will find that some of the energy is radiated into space by the loop and the amount radiated is strongly related to the net resonant frequency of the system. I would think that you could build a system where most of the energy is absorbed by the two capacitors if a careful arrangement of inductors and diodes is chosen as long as you did not demand excellent balance between the capacitor voltages. The initial energy not lost in the series resistances as heat or radiated will be stored within the two capacitors after sufficient time has elapsed. Dave
DC - DC EM induction? Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic field
I have been thinking about this a bit more. I have been doing more analysis, I have concluded that if the velocity of a charge is doubled the effective magnetic force it creates is quadrupled. I am very clear that this is so. Furthermore by doing a complete analysis I found that while this is so, if you have the previously mentioned coil with a thin and fat wire in series creating equal and opposite ampere turns you can't generate any field besides a slight motional E-field that would not be varied by velocity. I also established that rotating a coil as would occur with the rotor winding on an alternator would not lead to any change, I actually wrote this up to work it out but no one wants to read paragraphs about how Ampere was right after all. I also tried other ideas such as charged wires but that made no difference. However drift velocity does have a real effect on the voltage generated by a homo-polar generator. And so naturally does the movement along the wire which is how a homopolar generator works. Anyway I have come up with a very interesting idea! When electrons change velocity, that change in velocity propagates in their electric field as a bend, a distortion, this bending predicts precisely the EMF that a time varying current creates. If you had wire that changed wire thickness and hence electron velocity in sections you should get a constant bend in the electric field outside those locations. This could be increased by having a multi turn coil that has thick wire sections laid over other thick sections and thin sections laid over other thin sections and critically having the transition locations laid over one another. This could increase it quite well, then it may also be possible to collect this emf in hopefully a multi-turn coil. This is as far as I am aware totally unrecognised, and yet an entirely plausible way to create a DC induction from a DC current with no moving parts or interconnections. However it could be likened possibly to a thermocouple, wonder if such a change in thickness could act like a Peliter junction? This seems like a test worth trying! BTW one option could theoretically be to take a multiturn coil of constant thickness and apply a magnetic field so as to create zones slowed by the Hall effect increasing resistance in those sections, this could still produce such an EMF although it would not be ideal. John On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps the best issue to be noted is the spinning electromagnet manifested as a field of a car alternator. No where do I see it mentioned, except in my own research: that there is a correct direction for the DC field currents to be in harmony with the rotation. This only stands to be common sense where it comes to drift velocity, for the field rotation and its current to be delivered from non moving slip ring contacts; one method will deliver current in agreement with the drift velocity direction, while the other will detract from it showing as a reduced stator voltage. There are numerable proofs that counter the remanent magnetism and parametric case as the cause for power output without field energization. Here is some further scribbling of notes never sent when this subject last came up Once when I was more naive I thought about the magnetic field surrounding a wire broken by a capacitor coupling device. As I visualized the magnetic field due to the current, I began to think that there must be a gap or discontinuity since no real current is flowing within the capacitor. Between the plates there is only an electric field that is changing as charge is being added or subtracted from the plates of the capacitor. Now I will explain something that NO ONE has ever answered! It even bothers the theorists who explain it away as a heating loss of wires or something. Or they say it was lost as the magnetic field around the wires connecting the parts. The big dummies never even considered that it was lost as the magnetic field movement around the capacitor itself! Thus they have not thought to put in special collectors of this lost energy; and then reconvert that lost energy back into another capacitor. Let me know if you think this can be done. I have two equal C values. I charge one up and find the joules of energy contained in it. Now I take the other unused C value and allow one to charge up the other to equilibrium. Now I compare the total amount of energy contained in both parts and find only half the original amount of energy! Where did the missing energy go to? CAN I MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT WHEREBY MORE THEN HALF THE ENERGY MAY BE SHARED BY BOTH OF THE CAPACITORS? 2009 Flux Capacitor Model http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/4138926072/ This shows both an inductor and a water capacitor that will have the same reactance at alternator frequency of 465 hz. Bigger things make possible what is not feasible using smaller components. Separately Spaced
