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Hello James, According to BLP the material cost of a CIHT cell of 1kW will cost only $100. There are no expensive materials needed. Peter - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: How much does a 10W cell cost in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Steven Blacklightpower has made a 10W CIHT cell which can produce electricity from watervapour. The composition of the electrode is such that the hydrino producing reaction is facilitated and the electronshifts caused by transition of the electrons to sub groundstate levels can be used externally like in a battery. These cells work at high temperature ( few hundred dgrC ) so they must be well insulated. By using a very good insulation the cell should stay hot, bcs the reaction will also produce heat. The focus of BLP lies in the construction of an electrode that can function at such a high temperature for a very long time without degradation and to scaleup the powerdensity of the reaction in order to make the cell more compact. To build a system of 1000W would then be relatively simple by using 100 cells. Peter v Noorden - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:42 AM Subject: [Vo]: This was recently posted out on the Yahoo group: Society for Classical Physics, Dr. Mill's Yahoo group: The recent FAQ under the CIHT topic mentions that The CIHT cell has been scaled to 10 W, and a development projection with the achieved significant increase in surface power density is a 1.5 kW electric module that can be ganged accordingly to serve larger power applications. It also talks about the 1.5kw pre-production prototype expected by the end of 2013. Here we are near the end of 2013 and I have to ask, why aren't we hearing about a public demo of the 10W version? It was actually projected for a couple of years ago and is apparently working at BLP. We keep hearing about the scaling up, but as another poster observed earlier, nothing to hang your hat on. Whither the 10W demo? -- Lynn I'll be curious to find out what Dr. Mills might choose to say on the matter. I thought the web site was monitored. I was surprised to see it get posted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
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Hi P.J. Thanks for the report. I must confess I have not monitored the BLP website for some time. It would be nice to discover I missed some juicy news. You mention the fact that -a- 10W C1HT cell has been developed (and presumably demonstrated?) within BLP's labs. Do you feel fairly confident that the 10W prototype actually does what BLP claims? If so, there must exist a LOT of prototypes in various evolutionary stages focusing on out how to get the engineering to endure high temperatures without degrading. I'm assuming the C1HT chemistry is highly caustic, particularly at the high temperatures needed. If this is all true I think BLP is more than capable of succeeding. But will they be able to make a commercial success out of their efforts? Depends on how long will it take them to get a product out on the shelves of Wall Mart. One year? Ten more years? Who knows. We all know there are other competitors veiling for the same slice of the pie. Humans are a very clever species. When motivated, such as getting caught in the aphrodisiac of making obscene piles of money, or something as simple as promises of sexual favors, we monkeys can accomplish just about anything. Having been blessed with thumbs does help. Woody Allan was wrong in Sleeper. The thumb should be considered the second favorite organ. (Here's a little weekend down-time humor.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngizj5FIcjo You appear to be taking the place of Mike Carrell when it comes to reporting on the status of BLP's RD efforts. Again, thanks for the report, P.J. Hopefully, Mike is listening in. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/ From: P.J van Noorden [mailto:pjvannoor...@caiway.nl] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Hello James, According to BLP the material cost of a CIHT cell of 1kW will cost only $100. There are no expensive materials needed. Peter - Original Message - From: James Bowery mailto:jabow...@gmail.com To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: How much does a 10W cell cost in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Steven Blacklightpower has made a 10W CIHT cell which can produce electricity from watervapour. The composition of the electrode is such that the hydrino producing reaction is facilitated and the electronshifts caused by transition of the electrons to sub groundstate levels can be used externally like in a battery. These cells work at high temperature ( few hundred dgrC ) so they must be well insulated. By using a very good insulation the cell should stay hot, bcs the reaction will also produce heat. The focus of BLP lies in the construction of an electrode that can function at such a high temperature for a very long time without degradation and to scaleup the powerdensity of the reaction in order to make the cell more compact. To build a system of 1000W would then be relatively simple by using 100 cells. Peter v Noorden - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:42 AM Subject: [Vo]: This was recently posted out on the Yahoo group: Society for Classical Physics, Dr. Mill's Yahoo group: The recent FAQ under the CIHT topic mentions that The CIHT cell has been scaled to 10 W, and a development projection with the achieved significant increase in surface power density is a 1.5 kW electric module that can be ganged accordingly to serve larger power applications. It also talks about the 1.5kw pre-production prototype expected by the end of 2013. Here we are near the end of 2013 and I have to ask, why aren't we hearing about a public demo of the 10W version? It was actually projected for a couple of years ago and is apparently working at BLP. We keep hearing about the scaling up, but as another poster observed earlier, nothing to hang your hat on. Whither the 10W demo? -- Lynn I'll be curious to find out what Dr. Mills might choose to say on the matter. I thought the web site was monitored. I was surprised to see it get posted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
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Hello Steven, There have been validation reports about the working of the CIHT cell and in the month of december new validation reports will be relased as well as a press release. I think the main issue is now to prevent the electrodes fro degrading and to increase the surface density Peter - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Hi P.J. Thanks for the report. I must confess I have not monitored the BLP website for some time. It would be nice to discover I missed some juicy news. You mention the fact that -a- 10W C1HT cell has been developed (and presumably demonstrated?) within BLP's labs. Do you feel fairly confident that the 10W prototype actually does what BLP claims? If so, there must exist a LOT of prototypes in various evolutionary stages focusing on out how to get the engineering to endure high temperatures without degrading. I'm assuming the C1HT chemistry is highly caustic, particularly at the high temperatures needed. If this is all true I think BLP is more than capable of succeeding. But will they be able to make a commercial success out of their efforts? Depends on how long will it take them to get a product out on the shelves of Wall Mart. One year? Ten more years? Who knows. We all know there are other competitors veiling for the same slice of the pie. Humans are a very clever species. When motivated, such as getting caught in the aphrodisiac of making obscene piles of money, or something as simple as promises of sexual favors, we monkeys can accomplish just about anything. Having been blessed with thumbs does help. Woody Allan was wrong in Sleeper. The thumb should be considered the second favorite organ. (Here's a little weekend down-time humor.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngizj5FIcjo You appear to be taking the place of Mike Carrell when it comes to reporting on the status of BLP's RD efforts. Again, thanks for the report, P.J. Hopefully, Mike is listening in. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/ From: P.J van Noorden [mailto:pjvannoor...@caiway.nl] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Hello James, According to BLP the material cost of a CIHT cell of 1kW will cost only $100. There are no expensive materials needed. Peter - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: How much does a 10W cell cost in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Steven Blacklightpower has made a 10W CIHT cell which can produce electricity from watervapour. The composition of the electrode is such that the hydrino producing reaction is facilitated and the electronshifts caused by transition of the electrons to sub groundstate levels can be used externally like in a battery. These cells work at high temperature ( few hundred dgrC ) so they must be well insulated. By using a very good insulation the cell should stay hot, bcs the reaction will also produce heat. The focus of BLP lies in the construction of an electrode that can function at such a high temperature for a very long time without degradation and to scaleup the powerdensity of the reaction in order to make the cell more compact. To build a system of 1000W would then be relatively simple by using 100 cells. Peter v Noorden - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:42 AM Subject: [Vo]: This was recently posted out on the Yahoo group: Society for Classical Physics, Dr. Mill's Yahoo group: The recent FAQ under the CIHT topic mentions that The CIHT cell has been scaled to 10 W, and a development projection with the achieved significant increase in surface power density is a 1.5 kW electric module that can be ganged accordingly to serve larger power applications. It also talks about the 1.5kw pre-production prototype expected by the end of 2013. Here we are near the end of 2013 and I have to ask, why aren't we hearing about a public demo of the 10W version? It was actually projected for a couple of years ago and is apparently working at BLP. We keep hearing about the scaling up, but as another poster observed earlier, nothing to hang your hat on. Whither the 10W demo? -- Lynn I'll be curious to find out what Dr. Mills might choose to say on the matter. I thought the web site was monitored. I was surprised to see it get
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According to Mill theory, what causes the electron/hydrino to enter the fractional charge state? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: Hello Steven, There have been validation reports about the working of the CIHT cell and in the month of december new validation reports will be relased as well as a press release. I think the main issue is now to prevent the electrodes fro degrading and to increase the surface density Peter - Original Message - *From:* OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:31 PM *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Re: Hi P.J. Thanks for the report. I must confess I have not monitored the BLP website for some time. It would be nice to discover I missed some juicy news. You mention the fact that -a- 10W C1HT cell has been developed (and presumably demonstrated?) within BLP's labs. Do you feel fairly confident that the 10W prototype actually *does* what BLP claims? If so, there must exist a LOT of prototypes in various evolutionary stages focusing on out how to get the engineering to endure high temperatures without degrading. I’m assuming the C1HT chemistry is highly caustic, particularly at the high temperatures needed. If this is all true I think BLP is more than capable of succeeding. But will they be able to make a commercial success out of their efforts? Depends on how long will it take them to get a product out on the shelves of Wall Mart. One year? Ten more years? Who knows. We all know there are other competitors veiling for the same slice of the pie. Humans are a very clever species. When motivated, such as getting caught in the aphrodisiac of making obscene piles of money, or something as simple as promises of sexual favors, we monkeys can accomplish just about anything. Having been blessed with thumbs does help. Woody Allan was wrong in *Sleeper*. The thumb should be considered the “second favorite organ”. (Here’s a little weekend down-time humor.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngizj5FIcjo You appear to be taking the place of Mike Carrell when it comes to reporting on the status of BLP's RD efforts. Again, thanks for the report, P.J. Hopefully, Mike is listening in. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/ *From:* P.J van Noorden [mailto:pjvannoor...@caiway.nl] *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:35 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Hello James, According to BLP the material cost of a CIHT cell of 1kW will cost only $100. There are no expensive materials needed. Peter - Original Message - *From:* James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:44 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: How much does a 10W cell cost in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Steven Blacklightpower has made a 10W CIHT cell which can produce electricity from watervapour. The composition of the electrode is such that the hydrino producing reaction is facilitated and the electronshifts caused by transition of the electrons to sub groundstate levels can be used externally like in a battery. These cells work at high temperature ( few hundred dgrC ) so they must be well insulated. By using a very good insulation the cell should stay hot, bcs the reaction will also produce heat. The focus of BLP lies in the construction of an electrode that can function at such a high temperature for a very long time without degradation and to scaleup the powerdensity of the reaction in order to make the cell more compact. To build a system of 1000W would then be relatively simple by using 100 cells. Peter v Noorden - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:42 AM Subject: [Vo]: This was recently posted out on the Yahoo group: Society for Classical Physics, Dr. Mill's Yahoo group: The recent FAQ under the CIHT topic mentions that The CIHT cell has been scaled to 10 W, and a development projection with the achieved significant increase in surface power density is a 1.5 kW electric module that can be ganged accordingly to serve larger power applications. It also talks about the 1.5kw pre-production prototype expected by the end of 2013. Here we are near the end of 2013 and I have to ask, why aren't we hearing about a public demo of the 10W version? It was actually projected for a couple of years ago and is apparently working at BLP. We keep hearing about the scaling up, but as another poster observed earlier, nothing to hang your hat on. Whither the 10W demo? -- Lynn I'll be curious to find out what Dr. Mills might
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I'm carrying over the discussion of a previous subject thread where I forgot to actually place something in the subject thread. My bad. Regarding the fractional states of Mills' hydrinos. As I had recently posted, I have per formed countless computer simulations of orbital mechanics on the macro-Newtonian scale thanks to the convenience of using Visual Studio Express and a lot of programming in vb.net and c#. Earlier this year I (RE)discovered, all within the isolation of my own lonesomeness I might add, an already documented fact, that orbital periods that remain constant will all possess the exact same length in the major axis regardless of the eccentricity of the orbit. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg87355.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg87364.html This includes a perfect circular orbit (eccentricity of 0) where the diameter is equal to the length of the major axis. Curiously enough, this characteristic also applies to an orbital period where there is zero angular momentum (Eccentricity of 1), where the satellite drops straight to the center of the attractor. It takes a little more imagination to visual how that might be, but it IS so. I can't help but wonder if there might exist a similar form of physics happening on the quantum/wave scale, specifically pertaining to the orbital shells of electrons like the hydrogen atom. If there do exist certain similarities that carry over from the macro-Newtonian scale, and of course that is a big IF, it would suggest, at least to me, certain unique characteristics that might not be immediately obvious to many pertaining to the basic characteristics of the orbital shell. Such as: The diameter (or major axis) of the orbital shell would essentially remains the same even while it releases energy in the form of quantum packets. Each time a quanta of energy is released what might actually be happening is that as the electron's orbital shell is simply becoming more eccentric in its over-all shape. Meanwhile, and this is the subtle point: The orbital period of the electron remains the same. It would suggest to me that on the quantum scale while the diameter of electron shell will remain the same overall size, the probability of WHERE the electron is more likely to be found is going to change dramatically as it releases energy. The probability of where the electron is more likely to be found could turn out to be a real brain teaser. For example, on the Neutonian scale, as the eccentricity of the orbiting satellite approaches 1, the probability of where the satellite is more likely to be found will be at the maximum distance, the aphelion. The aphelion is also where the minimum amount of angular momentum will be detected. The exact reverse of these two characteristics happens at the perihelion. But now, when trying to morph these classical-like Newtonian characteristics into the realm of quantum mechanics pertaining to a basic hydrogen atom's electron shell and well, dang! It's a bit confusing, at least to me, figuring out what might actually be happening! Continuing to speculate out-loud here, it's possible Mill's highly controversial hydrinos (specifically the shape of the orbital shell of the electron) might not actually be getting smaller in their over-all diameter when allegedly releasing energy. Instead, the electron shell simply becomes more eccentric in shape while continuing to maintain the same orbital period and diameter. What I remain absolutely baffled about is how might all this affect the probability of where the electron is most likely to be found as angular momentum is released in the form of packets of energy. Again, this is just wild speculation on my part. What would the mathematicians have to say on this matter? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
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Again IMHO this is relativistic and the orbital scale below ground state appears unchanged from the orbitals own local perspective, The quantum effect of the conductive boundaries on the vacuum density means the electron is displaced on what from our perspective is the time axis, that is to say the orbital is undergoing Lorentzian contraction but unlike the normal perspective of a stationary observer seeing only 1 axis of contraction in the direction of travel of a near luminal object our perspective is reversed. We in this case are NOT stationary relative to the hydrino, what we consider the 4d zero point of 0,0,0,0 wrongly assumes 0 time as a baseline. Just as time slows in a deep gravity well it accelerates in a high gravity hill, or warp. Just as a gravity well or near C velocity can be visualized by the Haisch Rhueda analogy of a car racing through a rainstorm and the effect of the cars velocity on the pressure of raindrops on the windshield, you can visualize the gravity hill or warp as reducing the amount of rain. Unlike normal Lorentzian contraction this is independent of velocity on any spatial vector so the orbital shrinks symmetrically on all spatial axii from our perspective - This all goes back to my relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect.. larger virtual particles aka longer vacuum wavelengths are forced to rotate onto the time axis in order to still exist between the nano boundaries of Mill's skeletal catalyst. Any hydrogen atoms migrating through this confined space shrink from our perspective and exist at a much faster time rate. the raindrops in the Haisch Rhueda analogy are greatly reduced and from the local perspective of the hydrino we in the macro world slow down in the same way we would perceive the Paradox twin slow down when accelerated near C. I am positing that a gravity hill relative to 0,0,0,0 is equivalent to 0,0,0,0 relative to a near luminal object or an object in a very deep gravity well and is responsible for these states we refer to as hydrino, IRH, and fractional hydrogen . Fran From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:The speculated diameter of Mill's hydrinos is questioned here I'm carrying over the discussion of a previous subject thread where I forgot to actually place something in the subject thread. My bad. Regarding the fractional states of Mills' hydrinos. As I had recently posted, I have per formed countless computer simulations of orbital mechanics on the macro-Newtonian scale thanks to the convenience of using Visual Studio Express and a lot of programming in vb.net and c#. Earlier this year I (RE)discovered, all within the isolation of my own lonesomeness I might add, an already documented fact, that orbital periods that remain constant will all possess the exact same length in the major axis regardless of the eccentricity of the orbit. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg87355.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg87364.html This includes a perfect circular orbit (eccentricity of 0) where the diameter is equal to the length of the major axis. Curiously enough, this characteristic also applies to an orbital period where there is zero angular momentum (Eccentricity of 1), where the satellite drops straight to the center of the attractor. It takes a little more imagination to visual how that might be, but it IS so. I can't help but wonder if there might exist a similar form of physics happening on the quantum/wave scale, specifically pertaining to the orbital shells of electrons like the hydrogen atom. If there do exist certain similarities that carry over from the macro-Newtonian scale, and of course that is a big IF, it would suggest, at least to me, certain unique characteristics that might not be immediately obvious to many pertaining to the basic characteristics of the orbital shell. Such as: The diameter (or major axis) of the orbital shell would essentially remains the same even while it releases energy in the form of quantum packets. Each time a quanta of energy is released what might actually be happening is that as the electron's orbital shell is simply becoming more eccentric in its over-all shape. Meanwhile, and this is the subtle point: The orbital period of the electron remains the same. It would suggest to me that on the quantum scale while the diameter of electron shell will remain the same overall size, the probability of WHERE the electron is more likely to be found is going to change dramatically as it releases energy. The probability of where the electron is more likely to be found could turn out to be a real brain teaser. For example, on the Neutonian scale, as the eccentricity of the orbiting satellite approaches 1, the probability of where the satellite is more likely to be found will be at the maximum distance, the aphelion. The aphelion is also where the
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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:48:10 -0500: Hi, According to Mill theory, what causes the electron/hydrino to enter the fractional charge state? You actually have this backwards. In the *sub-orbital* states it is a *multiple* charge state, not a fractional charge state. The cause is physical interaction with a catalyst capable of receiving any multiple of 27.2 eV. (Since it is not capable of entering such a state via radiation.) (The *fractional* charge states correspond to *excited* states of the Hydrogen atom.) [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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You actually have this backwards. In the *sub-orbital* states it is a *multiple* charge state, not a fractional charge state. The cause is physical interaction with a catalyst capable of receiving any multiple of 27.2 eV. (Since it is not capable of entering such a state via radiation.) (The *fractional* charge states correspond to *excited* states The cause of the interaction cannot be quantum mechanical because the orbit is below the lowest QM ground .level. The interaction cannot be caused by the strong force, because the electron orbit is outside the nucleus. So the ultimate cause must be EMF. so the catalyst must be receiving quanta's of 27,2 ev via an EMF interaction. Has Mills defined another unrecognized EMF base force to support transfer of the Mills quanta(27.2,ev )
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Collision of atomic hydrogen with a element or compound (called a catalyst) that can accept n times 27.2 eV ( 2 times the ionistaion energy of hydrogen) destabilises the electron, which falls to a lower fractional quantum level, thereby releasing energy. - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: According to Mill theory, what causes the electron/hydrino to enter the fractional charge state? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Steven, There have been validation reports about the working of the CIHT cell and in the month of december new validation reports will be relased as well as a press release. I think the main issue is now to prevent the electrodes fro degrading and to increase the surface density Peter - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: Hi P.J. Thanks for the report. I must confess I have not monitored the BLP website for some time. It would be nice to discover I missed some juicy news. You mention the fact that -a- 10W C1HT cell has been developed (and presumably demonstrated?) within BLP's labs. Do you feel fairly confident that the 10W prototype actually does what BLP claims? If so, there must exist a LOT of prototypes in various evolutionary stages focusing on out how to get the engineering to endure high temperatures without degrading. I’m assuming the C1HT chemistry is highly caustic, particularly at the high temperatures needed. If this is all true I think BLP is more than capable of succeeding. But will they be able to make a commercial success out of their efforts? Depends on how long will it take them to get a product out on the shelves of Wall Mart. One year? Ten more years? Who knows. We all know there are other competitors veiling for the same slice of the pie. Humans are a very clever species. When motivated, such as getting caught in the aphrodisiac of making obscene piles of money, or something as simple as promises of sexual favors, we monkeys can accomplish just about anything. Having been blessed with thumbs does help. Woody Allan was wrong in Sleeper. The thumb should be considered the “second favorite organ”. (Here’s a little weekend down-time humor.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngizj5FIcjo You appear to be taking the place of Mike Carrell when it comes to reporting on the status of BLP's RD efforts. Again, thanks for the report, P.J. Hopefully, Mike is listening in. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/ From: P.J van Noorden [mailto:pjvannoor...@caiway.nl] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Hello James, According to BLP the material cost of a CIHT cell of 1kW will cost only $100. There are no expensive materials needed. Peter - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: How much does a 10W cell cost in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Steven Blacklightpower has made a 10W CIHT cell which can produce electricity from watervapour. The composition of the electrode is such that the hydrino producing reaction is facilitated and the electronshifts caused by transition of the electrons to sub groundstate levels can be used externally like in a battery. These cells work at high temperature ( few hundred dgrC ) so they must be well insulated. By using a very good insulation the cell should stay hot, bcs the reaction will also produce heat. The focus of BLP lies in the construction of an electrode that can function at such a high temperature for a very long time without degradation and to scaleup the powerdensity of the reaction in order to make the cell more compact. To build a system of 1000W would then be relatively simple by using 100 cells. Peter v Noorden - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:42 AM Subject: [Vo]: This was recently posted out on the Yahoo group: Society for Classical Physics, Dr. Mill's Yahoo group: The recent FAQ under the CIHT topic mentions that The CIHT cell has been scaled to 10 W, and a development projection with the achieved significant increase in surface power
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Pardon me, I should have asked, What is the price BLP is charging for a 10W cell in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:35 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: Hello James, According to BLP the material cost of a CIHT cell of 1kW will cost only $100. There are no expensive materials needed. Peter - Original Message - *From:* James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:44 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: How much does a 10W cell cost in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: Hello Steven Blacklightpower has made a 10W CIHT cell which can produce electricity from watervapour. The composition of the electrode is such that the hydrino producing reaction is facilitated and the electronshifts caused by transition of the electrons to sub groundstate levels can be used externally like in a battery. These cells work at high temperature ( few hundred dgrC ) so they must be well insulated. By using a very good insulation the cell should stay hot, bcs the reaction will also produce heat. The focus of BLP lies in the construction of an electrode that can function at such a high temperature for a very long time without degradation and to scaleup the powerdensity of the reaction in order to make the cell more compact. To build a system of 1000W would then be relatively simple by using 100 cells. Peter v Noorden - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:42 AM Subject: [Vo]: This was recently posted out on the Yahoo group: Society for Classical Physics, Dr. Mill's Yahoo group: The recent FAQ under the CIHT topic mentions that The CIHT cell has been scaled to 10 W, and a development projection with the achieved significant increase in surface power density is a 1.5 kW electric module that can be ganged accordingly to serve larger power applications. It also talks about the 1.5kw pre-production prototype expected by the end of 2013. Here we are near the end of 2013 and I have to ask, why aren't we hearing about a public demo of the 10W version? It was actually projected for a couple of years ago and is apparently working at BLP. We keep hearing about the scaling up, but as another poster observed earlier, nothing to hang your hat on. Whither the 10W demo? -- Lynn I'll be curious to find out what Dr. Mills might choose to say on the matter. I thought the web site was monitored. I was surprised to see it get posted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
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IMHO a multiple charge BUT. a fractional orbital from our perspective, a Rydberg orbital that occurs inside the depleted vacuum density of a Casimir cavity will appear closer than ground state from our macro perspective outside the cavity while appearing like a normal Rydberg atom from it's own local perspective due to relativistic effects. This explains odd spectrum black light and claims of anomalous decay rates. In this posit a Rydberg atom can jump to 137 different levels as was suggested in a paper by Jan Naudts http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0507193v2 in 2005. I remain convinced the effect of DCE on random motion is asymmetrical with respect to the atomic vs molecular forms of hydrogen. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:32 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: You actually have this backwards. In the *sub-orbital* states it is a *multiple* charge state, not a fractional charge state. The cause is physical interaction with a catalyst capable of receiving any multiple of 27.2 eV. (Since it is not capable of entering such a state via radiation.) (The *fractional* charge states correspond to *excited* states The cause of the interaction cannot be quantum mechanical because the orbit is below the lowest QM ground .level. The interaction cannot be caused by the strong force, because the electron orbit is outside the nucleus. So the ultimate cause must be EMF. so the catalyst must be receiving quanta's of 27,2 ev via an EMF interaction. Has Mills defined another unrecognized EMF base force to support transfer of the Mills quanta(27.2,ev )
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*The catalysts produced by Mills must be special in some way.* *Certain chemical compounds can form in a way that they project anapole magnetic fields due to circulation of valance electrons in a vortex like path. These compounds are called spin ice.* *In these catalysts, could Mills have produced spin ice based compounds that project anaopole magnetic fields onto the hydrogen atoms?* *http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-10/nios-lco100609.php http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-10/nios-lco100609.php* On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:46 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: Collision of atomic hydrogen with a element or compound (called a catalyst) that can accept n times 27.2 eV ( 2 times the ionistaion energy of hydrogen) destabilises the electron, which falls to a lower fractional quantum level, thereby releasing energy. - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: According to Mill theory, what causes the electron/hydrino to enter the fractional charge state? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nlwrote: Hello Steven, There have been validation reports about the working of the CIHT cell and in the month of december new validation reports will be relased as well as a press release. I think the main issue is now to prevent the electrodes fro degrading and to increase the surface density Peter - Original Message - *From:* OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:31 PM *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Re: Hi P.J. Thanks for the report. I must confess I have not monitored the BLP website for some time. It would be nice to discover I missed some juicy news. You mention the fact that -a- 10W C1HT cell has been developed (and presumably demonstrated?) within BLP's labs. Do you feel fairly confident that the 10W prototype actually *does* what BLP claims? If so, there must exist a LOT of prototypes in various evolutionary stages focusing on out how to get the engineering to endure high temperatures without degrading. I’m assuming the C1HT chemistry is highly caustic, particularly at the high temperatures needed. If this is all true I think BLP is more than capable of succeeding. But will they be able to make a commercial success out of their efforts? Depends on how long will it take them to get a product out on the shelves of Wall Mart. One year? Ten more years? Who knows. We all know there are other competitors veiling for the same slice of the pie. Humans are a very clever species. When motivated, such as getting caught in the aphrodisiac of making obscene piles of money, or something as simple as promises of sexual favors, we monkeys can accomplish just about anything. Having been blessed with thumbs does help. Woody Allan was wrong in *Sleeper*. The thumb should be considered the “second favorite organ”. (Here’s a little weekend down-time humor.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngizj5FIcjo You appear to be taking the place of Mike Carrell when it comes to reporting on the status of BLP's RD efforts. Again, thanks for the report, P.J. Hopefully, Mike is listening in. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/ *From:* P.J van Noorden [mailto:pjvannoor...@caiway.nl] *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:35 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Hello James, According to BLP the material cost of a CIHT cell of 1kW will cost only $100. There are no expensive materials needed. Peter - Original Message - *From:* James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:44 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: How much does a 10W cell cost in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Steven Blacklightpower has made a 10W CIHT cell which can produce electricity from watervapour. The composition of the electrode is such that the hydrino producing reaction is facilitated and the electronshifts caused by transition of the electrons to sub groundstate levels can be used externally like in a battery. These cells work at high temperature ( few hundred dgrC ) so they must be well insulated. By using a very good insulation the cell should stay hot, bcs the reaction will also produce heat. The focus of BLP lies in the construction of an electrode that can function at such a high temperature for a very long time without degradation and to scaleup the powerdensity of the reaction in order to make the cell more compact. To build a system of 1000W would then be relatively simple by using 100 cells. Peter v Noorden
[Vo]:New LENR paper by Francesco Celani et al in the Chemistry and Materials Research at the
I thought I would bring this paper to the attention of Vortex members. Improved understanding of self-sustained, sub-micrometric multi-composition surface Constantan wires interacting with H2 at high temperatures: experimental evidence of Anomalous Heat Effects Francesco Celani, E.F. Marano, A. Nuvoli, E. Purchi, M. Nakamura, S. Pella, B. Ortenzi, E. Righi, G. Trenta, S. Bartalucci, A. Ovidi, G.L. Zangari, F. Micciulla, S. Bellucci, G. Vassallo Abstract This article is an extension of what presented by our team at 17th International Conference on Cold Fusion, ICCF-17, in Daejon, Korea, in 2012 [1]. It documents the improvements on Constantan-related experiments, started in 2011, in order to study the feasibility of new Nickel based alloys that are able to absorb proper amounts of Hydrogen (H2) and/or Deuterium (D2) and that have, in principle, some possibility to generate anomalous thermal effects at temperatures 100°C. The interest in Ni comes in part because there is the possibility to use also H2 instead of expensive D2. Moreover, cross-comparison of results using H2 instead of D2 can be made and could help the understanding of the phenomena involved (atomic, nuclear, super-chemical origin?) due to the use of such isotopes. Keywords: calorimeter, LENR, Nickel based alloys, sub-micrometric surfaces Available here: http://www.iiste.org/Journals/index.php/CMR/article/view/8655 Kind Regards walker
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At this moment the CIHT cell is part of a laboratory setup. More a demonstartion unit. - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Pardon me, I should have asked, What is the price BLP is charging for a 10W cell in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:35 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello James, According to BLP the material cost of a CIHT cell of 1kW will cost only $100. There are no expensive materials needed. Peter - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: How much does a 10W cell cost in quantity one? On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, P.J van Noorden pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Steven Blacklightpower has made a 10W CIHT cell which can produce electricity from watervapour. The composition of the electrode is such that the hydrino producing reaction is facilitated and the electronshifts caused by transition of the electrons to sub groundstate levels can be used externally like in a battery. These cells work at high temperature ( few hundred dgrC ) so they must be well insulated. By using a very good insulation the cell should stay hot, bcs the reaction will also produce heat. The focus of BLP lies in the construction of an electrode that can function at such a high temperature for a very long time without degradation and to scaleup the powerdensity of the reaction in order to make the cell more compact. To build a system of 1000W would then be relatively simple by using 100 cells. Peter v Noorden - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:42 AM Subject: [Vo]: This was recently posted out on the Yahoo group: Society for Classical Physics, Dr. Mill's Yahoo group: The recent FAQ under the CIHT topic mentions that The CIHT cell has been scaled to 10 W, and a development projection with the achieved significant increase in surface power density is a 1.5 kW electric module that can be ganged accordingly to serve larger power applications. It also talks about the 1.5kw pre-production prototype expected by the end of 2013. Here we are near the end of 2013 and I have to ask, why aren't we hearing about a public demo of the 10W version? It was actually projected for a couple of years ago and is apparently working at BLP. We keep hearing about the scaling up, but as another poster observed earlier, nothing to hang your hat on. Whither the 10W demo? -- Lynn I'll be curious to find out what Dr. Mills might choose to say on the matter. I thought the web site was monitored. I was surprised to see it get posted. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
