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I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded. It is whether or not Defkalion engaged in fraud. And that issue is probably moot anyways, because the only real thing someone could hope for is some cash in their pocket from a civil lawsuit. That isn't gonna happen because Defkalion is broke. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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In the quest for a more perfect truth, please identify who DGT has defrauded and of what? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded. It is whether or not Defkalion engaged in fraud. And that issue is probably moot anyways, because the only real thing someone could hope for is some cash in their pocket from a civil lawsuit. That isn't gonna happen because Defkalion is broke. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Why should I? I've simply noticed that you and Daniel Rocha have gone over the edge in the last few days. If you were in a real quest for a more perfect truth, you'd be re-examining the messages you've posted at Jed over the last few days. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In the quest for a more perfect truth, please identify who DGT has defrauded and of what? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The issue isn't whether Gamberale was defrauded. It is whether or not Defkalion engaged in fraud. And that issue is probably moot anyways, because the only real thing someone could hope for is some cash in their pocket from a civil lawsuit. That isn't gonna happen because Defkalion is broke. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, and I have tried to understand how DGT can be a criminal organization as a cold fusion developer as Jed is asserting. I can not understand how a cold fusion developer can be criminal. I also have assured my opinion that Gamberale cannot be trusted. I understand that Gamberale is more a Judas than a whittle blower. It is tragic that most people will not give the developers of a prototype Cold fusion system the benefit of the doubt when errors occur or lack of expertize is shown in demos. Remember, Rossi has been accused of fraud often while he was learning the Ni/H ropes and the proper ways of demonstrating it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, ***No, you have not. And besides that, all this other crap you've been posting about DGT is just plain wrong. Who has the time to argue against someone with an axe to grind? I don't. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, and I have tried to understand how DGT can be a criminal organization as a cold fusion developer as Jed is asserting. I can not understand how a cold fusion developer can be criminal. I also have assured my opinion that Gamberale cannot be trusted. I understand that Gamberale is more a Judas than a whittle blower. It is tragic that most people will not give the developers of a prototype Cold fusion system the benefit of the doubt when errors occur or lack of expertize is shown in demos. Remember, Rossi has been accused of fraud often while he was learning the Ni/H ropes and the proper ways of demonstrating it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. ***Yet more evidence that you've gone off the deep end. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
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Jed is a respected member of our community, has great merits in the survival of classic Cold Fusion and has the right to have to have his opinion about everything, including that DGT has nothing. In this stage, pre-commercial this is more useful that supporting DGT/ The company had and has more problems with industrial espionage, sample theft, wise guys trying to discover basic secrets than with accusations of any type- all unfounded as you will see.. As I told, only facts as Hyperions on the market- can change anything essential- the Armageddon stage nears for what has started as the Cold Fusion Dream and went on a sooo tortuous, meandering way. Peter On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. ***Yet more evidence that you've gone off the deep end. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Hi Peter, Will see :-) Michel VandenbergheLENR-Cities CEO Mobile +33 689 300 935 http://www.lenr-cities.com Le Mercredi 21 mai 2014 9h47, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com a écrit : Jed is a respected member of our community, has great merits in the survival of classic Cold Fusion and has the right to have to have his opinion about everything, including that DGT has nothing. In this stage, pre-commercial this is more useful that supporting DGT/ The company had and has more problems with industrial espionage, sample theft, wise guys trying to discover basic secrets than with accusations of any type- all unfounded as you will see.. As I told, only facts as Hyperions on the market- can change anything essential- the Armageddon stage nears for what has started as the Cold Fusion Dream and went on a sooo tortuous, meandering way. Peter On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. ***Yet more evidence that you've gone off the deep end. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. Cold fusion is so speculative that it is very much like a religion than a business. We support it in the hopes of a better world and understand very well that little or nothing will ever be forthcoming from our contributions. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: If Luca is telling the truth, in breaking the NDA, after a 9month delay calling for explanations, and finally whitleblowing, any honest company would not be afraid to work with him, and would be proud to show his name to clients : - we have an honest whitleblower in out team. this man had bollocks. He will protect you from us. If Luca is lying... It is another planet. Lying or fooled, Luca or DGT, ... a good report by a third party, respecting basic boiler test method as Jed shows, would do the job and make the final judgement... Unlike early Rossi's test, where there was loose job, here there is something not so loose. If DGT is right, it have to make a really 3rd party test, a good one, simple and rough, with key details fixed. This affair is hurting because some people, whatever is the result, have been fooled, or are fooling others, and I know some of them. That is (bad) business risk, and that is why there is justice, laws, and judges. I wait for the test result, or the confessions... for now, I will put my home in the Swedish E-cat test result, hoping they respect boiler standard. 2014-05-21 5:15 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Dear Axil, first what is shown is not benign, but this does not say DGT is criminal from its inception. Desperate people do stupid things; Paranoid people do stupid things. The second is however that if it was a mistake, or even a temporary failure during a demo, and even if the demo was indeed tweaked as Luca describe, Defkalion had 9 month, in private or in public, to reassure Luca himself, and why not us. In the case, the case I judge as sign of huge lack of wisdom, that despite not answering to luca, Defkalion anyway have a working reactor in it's lab, it should let Luca test it (even if only calorimetry is allowed, only but all calorimetry method), or if they don't trust him, let a third party make a boiler test and inform Luca. I'm conscious that in that affair many millions have been burned, and more of Xanthoulis money than of Gamberaleal , so I don't estimate that it was a void scam story... however something irrational, desperate, paranoid, have happened... whether it was wishful thinking, self-delusion, conspiracy theories, it is no more our business. question is if it works or not. A boiler test made by a non physicist team (why not electricians and plumbers, experience in testing), would give a solid answer and no risk of IP leak. By the way I feel it is absurd to ask physicist to do calorimetry ... it is a job of plumbers, electricians, their engineer counter parts, petrochemist, boiler testers, or at worst of industry chemist. Physicist (true for nuclear physicists, less for others), as Beaudette explained, are incompetent in calorimetry, and are only good to find the theory, not to challenge the experimental results. 2014-05-21 8:54 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: I have respected Jed to the highest degree in these recent discussions, and I have tried to understand how DGT can be a criminal organization as a cold fusion developer as Jed is asserting. I can not understand how a cold fusion developer can be criminal. I also have assured my opinion that Gamberale cannot be trusted. I understand that Gamberale is more a Judas than a whittle blower. It is tragic that most people will not give the developers of a prototype Cold fusion system the benefit of the doubt when errors occur or lack of expertize is shown in demos. Remember, Rossi has been accused of fraud often while he was learning the Ni/H ropes and the proper ways of demonstrating it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I don't have any confidence that you'll listen to me. So I'm on the record as to where you went off the edge. Someone else on the list had the responsibility of being your fence, of warning you that you were close to the edge. I was too busy. Maybe the next time you play close to the edge you'll be more attentive to your surroundings. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To help me in avoiding the edge, please identify the edge and explain how I am going over it. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: People like you who go over the edge can't see what they're doing wrong. When you come back from the edge, if you don't apologize to those whom you've besmirched, like Jed, then you won't be trusted for anything other than taking out the garbage. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know about Axil, but I am talking about things I know and try to understand. Why should I stop? I am not doing anything wrong. 2014-05-21 2:50 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com: Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion but definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of the Papp Engine. Well John Rohner crossed some undefined line and was soundly busted by the SEC. All assets seized, fever dreams of bursting plasma transformed into feverish conspiracy theory sputterings about govt interference. Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Papp was grated a patent for the Papp engine and was in fact awarded patent of the year honors for his design and demonstration. IMHO, this patent puts the Papp engine in another category from cold fusion. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion but definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of the Papp Engine. Well John Rohner crossed some undefined line and was soundly busted by the SEC. All assets seized, fever dreams of bursting plasma transformed into feverish conspiracy theory sputterings about govt interference. Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a suitcase on Broadway.
[Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Could the reason that the Rossi effect is not understood relate to an inadvertent catalyst? By inadvertent catalyst, the implication is that a hidden element is found in nickel, going back to the natural ore - at a low percentage which would not be mentioned. This addition is often called a dopant when it is added knowingly. The person who buys this alloy as a catalyst, may not appreciate why it is active, but may know that it comes only from one supplier - or from one mining location - so he always purchases from that source. This can be known as a Puritan alloy if it comes from one mine only. It should be noted that a few famous commercial alloys were first found in nature in only one place on earth. Monel alloy 400 today is an alloy of the same proportions of nickel and copper as is found naturally in the nickel ore from the Sudbury Ontario mine and was once only available from there. It is mentioned only as an example of how a low percentage element could find its way into an application, even without the purchaser's knowledge. Fran Roarty often brings up relativistic effects of hydrogen (as in the Naudts paper) being responsible for a particular fractional hydrogen state f/H which is non-Millsean, but often quoted by Mills supporters as if it was part of his theory. In fact, this form of f/H preceded Mills by decades and should not be labeled with the trademarked H-word. In addition to this highly energetic state of hydrogen, which essentially consists of a proton orbited by a relativistic electron, which can be much more massive due to its velocity, there is the possibility of a catalyst which will induce this state and even participate in the ongoing reaction, which can be non-nuclear but highly energetic (well above chemical). There are only a few choices for dopant elements of this type (relativistic catalysts) - and one which has come up wrt Rossi should be mentioned, especially as alloying agent or dopant for nickel. Mercury (Hg) is the main one. It has been avoided by many in LENR because of its toxicity. It is a dangerous element and should not be handled carelessly unless you want to become a mad-hatter, so to speak. It should be noted that Mercury is never used in commercial alloys for two simple reasons- it is costly, valuable and worth 100 times more than nickel alone - so it would be removed and resold ... and importantly, Hg promotes stress-cracking in Ni ! However, there is the possibility that Hg could turn up in a dedicated catalyst, inadvertently or in processing. The promotion of cracking would be reason enough to try Hg as a dopant with nickel, to the extent that one believed cracking was an important parameter - and it could be of even greater importance in a Casimir cavity as well. Mercury is one of a few metals or eutectics which remain a liquid down to fairly low temperature, and notable for Hg alone is the gas-phase. Mercury is a singularity in the periodic table in that it can exist as a monatomic gas, usually denoted as Hg(g). This lack of bonding is due to electron contraction by relativistic effects - which explains why the bonding for Hg-Hg is weak enough to allow for Hg to be a liquid at room temperature. HgH - mercury hydride is an unstable gas because of the electronegativity of mercury is lower than that of hydrogen. The Hg-H bond is very weak and therefore the compound has only been matrix isolated but it should exist in a porous Casimir cavity where the weak bond dynamics can be exploited. The Hg-H bond should promote spin coupling. All things considered, Hg looks on paper like an interesting catalyst/reactant for LENR. Could Hg turn up as a dopant in some alloys of nickel naturally? Or could it have been added by intentionally and silently by AR's supplier ? We have noted before that Rossi mentions Gerli Metalli as the company from Milan which is his supplier, but that could be deceptive... ... or not. Here is the web site, if you are interested. http://www.gerlimetalli.it/inglese/ihome.htm Ask for the Rossi special with a side of Mercury... (say, Alice, doesn't AR remind one of the Mad Hatter?) Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. Of course it is! If Defkalion knows their machine does not work, but they are trying to sell it for millions of dollars, that is criminal fraud. Companies are often prosecuted for knowingly selling machines that do not work. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. Exactly right. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Well we could perform sort of a thought experiment and imagine that Defkalion had been issuing stock under the auspices of the SEC. My hunch is that at this point they would be at or over the undefined line that John Rohner crossed when he got busted. I think that what happened with Rohner was that several of his stockholders had suffered all they could take and loudly complained to the SEC which duly took action. The SEC complaint specifically stated that there was no evidence that Rohner's process was based in reality and was therefore fraudulent. And Rohner was loudly proclaiming that he had a functional device which he clearly did not. Still a little wiggle room left for Defkalion I would think, provided they are actually able to demonstrate something producing at least a little excess heat Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Papp was grated a patent for the Papp engine and was in fact awarded patent of the year honors for his design and demonstration. IMHO, this patent puts the Papp engine in another category from cold fusion. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion but definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of the Papp Engine. Well John Rohner crossed some undefined line and was soundly busted by the SEC. All assets seized, fever dreams of bursting plasma transformed into feverish conspiracy theory sputterings about govt interference. Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale to account. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil court because they refused to violate a criminal statute. It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament. This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you have robbed them.
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Isn't SEC something from US? DGT doesn't have business in US as far as I know. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Dual Carbon Battery
I do recall aluminum chloride/bromide batteries that used carbon electrodes in the patents. Actually, I'm not sure what wasn't practical about such moderately molten battteries.
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: *Due diligence* is a term used for a number of concepts, involving either an investigation of a business or person prior to signing a contract, or an act with a certain standard of care. It can be a legal obligation, but the term will more commonly apply to voluntary investigations. A common example of due diligence in various industries is the process through which a potential acquirer evaluates a target system for an acquisition. *DGT is providing a technology, not a system in the same way that a software vendor provides an operating environment that software is developed on. Such a technology could be insufficient but not fraudulent.* On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. Of course it is! If Defkalion knows their machine does not work, but they are trying to sell it for millions of dollars, that is criminal fraud. Companies are often prosecuted for knowingly selling machines that do not work. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American SEC. There was that seemingly bright moment about a year ago when DFK was apparently ready to go public on the Canadian market. Steve High On May 21, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't SEC something from US? DGT doesn't have business in US as far as I know. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Perhaps the oil lobby was not so intense there and they had only to deal with nuclear authorities? 2014-05-21 11:53 GMT-03:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com: IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American SEC. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: The second is however that if it was a mistake, or even a temporary failure during a demo, and even if the demo was indeed tweaked as Luca describe, Defkalion had 9 month, in private or in public, to reassure Luca himself, and why not us. I agree. They should have given Gamberale the reports from the 12 scientists (assuming those reports exist). When this first happened, I heard there was a problem with flow rate a few days later. I assumed it was a glitch on the day of ICCF18. I figured they would fix it and try again. I posted messages here saying, they should practice, and then do another public demo. I never imagined they had never done it right! I stopped paying attention and I did not learn that until the Gamberale report came out. In the case, the case I judge as sign of huge lack of wisdom, that despite not answering to luca, Defkalion anyway have a working reactor in it's lab, it should let Luca test it (even if only calorimetry is allowed, only but all calorimetry method), or if they don't trust him, let a third party make a boiler test and inform Luca. Exactly. however something irrational, desperate, paranoid, have happened... whether it was wishful thinking, self-delusion, conspiracy theories, it is no more our business. If they make claims in public it is our business to some extent. A boiler test made by a non physicist team (why not electricians and plumbers, experience in testing), would give a solid answer and no risk of IP leak. Yes! By the way I feel it is absurd to ask physicist to do calorimetry ... it is a job of plumbers, electricians, their engineer counter parts, petrochemist, boiler testers, or at worst of industry chemist. Yes again, as I pointed out when I referenced Title 10, Part 430. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
In consideration of the recent posting regarding converting light into mass, the upper limit of energy density is set by the speed of light at 2.5 x 10^13 Wh/kg. Although the scientists have not actually converted photons to electrons and positrons, a controlled reverse process can be conceived which could achieve the upper limit. Such process would not necessarily involve any nucleus.
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France. for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to E-cat conferences, to ILENRS12... You know, Areva will do off-shore wind turbine. modern corps don't oppose revolution, they capture it. I am more afraid of néo-Malthusians and néo-luddites. 2014-05-21 16:58 GMT+02:00 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Perhaps the oil lobby was not so intense there and they had only to deal with nuclear authorities? 2014-05-21 11:53 GMT-03:00 Steve High diamondweb...@gmail.com: IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American SEC. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
And not just LENR. I am currently looking at how this may occur in the copper that is associated with DNA/DNA/RNA triple helixes Nigel On 20/05/2014 16:28, Jones Beene wrote: With all the recent talk about the overlooked magnetic component of LENR - and spin coupling - at least for Ni-H and the Rossi effect, here is an excellent older paper which may contain insight on another piece of the puzzle, even if it was written to explain a completely different phenomenon (the Hans Coler effect) For this paper to be particularly relevant to Ni-H, we would need to take a closer look at the function of the resistance heater in the E-Cat. Is the 50/60 cycle input providing a hidden function in cohering magnetic precession somehow? Coherence could be inadvertent. It would be interesting to know if the 60 cycle AC in the USA has different effects than the 50 cycles of Italy since Larmor frequencies are typically microwave spectra. Cyril Smith says: If we wish to use Larmor precessions as charge pumps, but without external microwaves maintaining the FMR resonance, we need another method for cohering the precessions. There is an argument that, in a ferromagnetic conductor, phase-locking of the individual lattice precessions can be achieved by spin-spin coupling to and from conduction electrons, the conduction electrons themselves must precess and could therefore transport phase across the lattice. http://www.overunity.com/14614/the-bearden-meg/dlattach/attach/138654/ Larmor Precessions as Charge Pumps by Cyril Smith, July 2007 There is currently great interest in generating dc currents via spin dynamics. This comes from the emerging science of spintronics where research efforts are directed towards new means for investigating spin dynamics and development of new spin sources. Not surprisingly these efforts concentrate on spin transport, used as a digital signal, which offers lower losses than the dissipative charge transport used in modern computers. However spin dynamics can also influence charge transport, which has a wider application than computing. With global issues forcing new interest in sustainable energy sources, the prospect of power generation from quantum spin is appealing and worthy of serious consideration. Only in recent years has science demonstrated the realization of pumping electrons 'uphill' (i.e. against a potential gradient) in what has been called quantum ratchets. END of quote The specific reason that charge pumping by Larmor precession could be relevant to LENR is to be found in the recurrent hints of oscillation between ferromagnetism and antiferromagnetic states in the active material near the Curie point. This could be an important clue in the context of precession powering the oscillation, yet there are missing pieces of the puzzle. As to exactly why this oscillation creates the Ni-H thermal anomaly, we would almost certainly need to abandon a nuclear fusion scenario in place of gain via Dirac sea interaction. Since many observers seem wedded to a fusion scenario, despite the lack of any relevant indicia of a nuclear reaction, this insight from Cyril may be limited to those on the fringe of the fringe. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
Why are you sure it was not to sabotage or just see the degree of threat? 2014-05-21 13:29 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com: I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France. for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to E-cat conferences, to ILENRS12... -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
-Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer And not just LENR. I am currently looking at how this may occur in the copper that is associated with DNA/DNA/RNA triple helixes Cyril Smith says: If we wish to use Larmor precessions as charge pumps, but without external microwaves maintaining the FMR resonance, we need another method for cohering the precessions. There is an argument that, in a ferromagnetic conductor, phase-locking of the individual lattice precessions can be achieved by spin-spin coupling to and from conduction electrons ... Nigel - Why not iron, instead of copper? Out of curiosity, I did a brief googling to see if DNA has an associated RF resonance. This turned up: Biophysicists have demonstrated that DNA... resonantly absorbs electromagnetic energy in the microwave range of the frequency spectrum... They have found in their experiments that microwaves in the 300 MHz to 3 GHz range can be thermally absorbed by causing a dipolar molecule, such as water to oscillate in a frictional media, thereby dissipating the energy in the form of heat... ... which seems a bit high for Larmor precession and seems to be a relic of water, not DNA, but it is one more reason why cell phones are not recommended for constant use by teenagers (since the range overlaps) attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
50 million in US with autoimmune diseases and growing. We are cooked (by microwaves) On Wednesday, May 21, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer And not just LENR. I am currently looking at how this may occur in the copper that is associated with DNA/DNA/RNA triple helixes Cyril Smith says: If we wish to use Larmor precessions as charge pumps, but without external microwaves maintaining the FMR resonance, we need another method for cohering the precessions. There is an argument that, in a ferromagnetic conductor, phase-locking of the individual lattice precessions can be achieved by spin-spin coupling to and from conduction electrons ... Nigel - Why not iron, instead of copper? Out of curiosity, I did a brief googling to see if DNA has an associated RF resonance. This turned up: Biophysicists have demonstrated that DNA... resonantly absorbs electromagnetic energy in the microwave range of the frequency spectrum... They have found in their experiments that microwaves in the 300 MHz to 3 GHz range can be thermally absorbed by causing a dipolar molecule, such as water to oscillate in a frictional media, thereby dissipating the energy in the form of heat... ... which seems a bit high for Larmor precession and seems to be a relic of water, not DNA, but it is one more reason why cell phones are not recommended for constant use by teenagers (since the range overlaps)
RE: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton In consideration of the recent posting regarding converting light into mass, the upper limit of energy density is set by the speed of light at 2.5 x 10^13 Wh/kg… Such process would not necessarily involve any nucleus. Yes - Exactamundo… this is the crux of my post to Eric - that high energy density alone does not necessarily imply nuclear energy … (unless of course, one chooses to define anything higher than chemical as nuclear - which is not a valid definition). For instance, relativistic electron pumping via Dirac mechanics would not be nuclear. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
recent data on kids, shows that the consumption of antibiotic while young kid is doubling asthman and alergy... more generally the hygiena hypothesis seems validated since long and denied by mainstream because of inconvenient conclusion that don't please the whistleblowers that have their prefered scapegoat. 2014-05-21 18:57 GMT+02:00 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com: 50 million in US with autoimmune diseases and growing. We are cooked (by microwaves) On Wednesday, May 21, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer And not just LENR. I am currently looking at how this may occur in the copper that is associated with DNA/DNA/RNA triple helixes Cyril Smith says: If we wish to use Larmor precessions as charge pumps, but without external microwaves maintaining the FMR resonance, we need another method for cohering the precessions. There is an argument that, in a ferromagnetic conductor, phase-locking of the individual lattice precessions can be achieved by spin-spin coupling to and from conduction electrons ... Nigel - Why not iron, instead of copper? Out of curiosity, I did a brief googling to see if DNA has an associated RF resonance. This turned up: Biophysicists have demonstrated that DNA... resonantly absorbs electromagnetic energy in the microwave range of the frequency spectrum... They have found in their experiments that microwaves in the 300 MHz to 3 GHz range can be thermally absorbed by causing a dipolar molecule, such as water to oscillate in a frictional media, thereby dissipating the energy in the form of heat... ... which seems a bit high for Larmor precession and seems to be a relic of water, not DNA, but it is one more reason why cell phones are not recommended for constant use by teenagers (since the range overlaps)
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
It is irrelevant: 1. if DGT has the Canadian stock market to deal with or the Greek ditto. 2. if they have an idea (theory or experiment) that at some time will work. 3. if they will sue someone or be sued. . . .100 if xx They have been criticized for a year and they have not provided any real work to show they have anything of value as far as LENR goes. One does not have to give the benefit of doubt forever. As Axil is saying it is the buyers responsibility to do due diligence and it is done . Thay failed. Unfortunately they have caused great harm to the field of LENR. The likelihood that investors will support new ideas within this area is cut in half with each fraudulent behavior. You guys are better mathematicians than I am so you know Rohnert, DGT - we need no more. Let me just meet the objection I will hear; It is not proven they are fraudulent Unfortunately after a few proven frauds and a few entities with questionable promises DGT has easily past the limit. I appreciate (but cannot fully understand) the technical scientific discussions here. However, the business requirements are handled with to much lenience. I have said it before but only science is not going to reach the goal. The opposite is true that enough poor business behavior will make it impossible to reach the scientific/technology goal. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Why are you sure it was not to sabotage or just see the degree of threat? 2014-05-21 13:29 GMT-03:00 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com: I thanks Shell to have funded CNAM for a test in France. for Amoco to have let a skunkwork team test in their garage for ENI/SAIPEM to have sent staff to E-cat conferences, to ILENRS12... -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Scientists discover how to turn light into matter after 80-year quest
In reply to Jack Cole's message of Tue, 20 May 2014 21:13:21 -0500: Hi, [snip] http://phys.org/news/2014-05-scientists-year-quest.html I think the simplest way to turn light into matter happens every time an atom absorbs a photon. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Jones, good posit regarding Hg, I hope someone tries it.I recently blind copied you an email with citations for both Naudt's paper on relativistic hydrogen and a Russian paper on relativistic effects inside Casimir geometry but don't have access to it presently. I think this means that the entire region is dilated by the cavity -more than just the electrons are relativistic - that the shrunken orbital also surrounds a shrunken proton from our perspective but locally the atom is unaware of the Lorentzian contraction and is careening along at fractions of C on an axis that to us appears to be 90 degrees from 3D and causes the contraction to appear symmetrical from all directions instead of the single axis of contraction a rocketship near C spatial displacement would exhibit to the stationary observer. Strange as it seems I think we the stationary observers outside the cavity become the near C paradox twin relative to the hydrogen atoms experiencing modified space time of Casimir regions - my bet is that anomalous radioactive decay rates claims would be much higher if we could only measure the atoms exposed to these regions but lab equipment is averaging them all down as part of the larger gas population.[I also believe virtual particles grow into existence and then shrink back out due to a trajectory on this same perpendicular to 3D axis]. From it's own local perspective these gas atoms are just as fast as the near C hydrogen atoms being ejected from the suns corona... IMHO what we currently explain as catalytic action is actually an averaging out of small portions of mobile atomic populations being exposed to vigorous changes in Casimir geometry. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:20 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR Could the reason that the Rossi effect is not understood relate to an inadvertent catalyst? By inadvertent catalyst, the implication is that a hidden element is found in nickel, going back to the natural ore - at a low percentage which would not be mentioned. This addition is often called a dopant when it is added knowingly. The person who buys this alloy as a catalyst, may not appreciate why it is active, but may know that it comes only from one supplier - or from one mining location - so he always purchases from that source. This can be known as a Puritan alloy if it comes from one mine only. It should be noted that a few famous commercial alloys were first found in nature in only one place on earth. Monel alloy 400 today is an alloy of the same proportions of nickel and copper as is found naturally in the nickel ore from the Sudbury Ontario mine and was once only available from there. It is mentioned only as an example of how a low percentage element could find its way into an application, even without the purchaser's knowledge. Fran Roarty often brings up relativistic effects of hydrogen (as in the Naudts paper) being responsible for a particular fractional hydrogen state f/H which is non-Millsean, but often quoted by Mills supporters as if it was part of his theory. In fact, this form of f/H preceded Mills by decades and should not be labeled with the trademarked H-word. In addition to this highly energetic state of hydrogen, which essentially consists of a proton orbited by a relativistic electron, which can be much more massive due to its velocity, there is the possibility of a catalyst which will induce this state and even participate in the ongoing reaction, which can be non-nuclear but highly energetic (well above chemical). There are only a few choices for dopant elements of this type (relativistic catalysts) - and one which has come up wrt Rossi should be mentioned, especially as alloying agent or dopant for nickel. Mercury (Hg) is the main one. It has been avoided by many in LENR because of its toxicity. It is a dangerous element and should not be handled carelessly unless you want to become a mad-hatter, so to speak. It should be noted that Mercury is never used in commercial alloys for two simple reasons- it is costly, valuable and worth 100 times more than nickel alone - so it would be removed and resold ... and importantly, Hg promotes stress-cracking in Ni ! However, there is the possibility that Hg could turn up in a dedicated catalyst, inadvertently or in processing. The promotion of cracking would be reason enough to try Hg as a dopant with nickel, to the extent that one believed cracking was an important parameter - and it could be of even greater importance in a Casimir cavity as well. Mercury is one of a few metals or eutectics which remain a liquid down to fairly low temperature, and notable for Hg alone is the gas-phase. Mercury is a singularity in the periodic table in that it can exist as a monatomic gas, usually denoted as Hg(g). This lack of bonding
Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: By inadvertent catalyst, the implication is that a hidden element is found in nickel, going back to the natural ore - at a low percentage which would not be mentioned. This addition is often called a dopant when it is added knowingly. The person who buys this alloy as a catalyst, may not appreciate why it is active, but may know that it comes only from one supplier - or from one mining location - so he always purchases from that source. It could be something like that. McKubre often points out that the Pd sample that worked best was the most impure one, from Engelhard. It must have been something in the metal other than Pd that made it work so well. I guess it might have been the morphology, but it seems more likely it was the trace elements. Monel alloy 400 today is an alloy of the same proportions of nickel and copper as is found naturally in the nickel ore from the Sudbury Ontario mine and was once only available from there. Yup. Nowadays the mass spectrometers are so sensitive, they can find traces of this or that no matter how small, so the metallurgists can recreate the natural product. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
If you thought I couldn't go any further out on a limb how about UFO accelerations and sudden changes in vector being related to a macro form of this same posit of inhibiting virtual particles at the nano scale via casimir geometry. A macro world version of vacuum suppression would fit well with the observations of UFO craft that suddenly seemed to accelerate away, change vector and disappear from radar screens or even eluding chase aircraft by what we may be visually misinterpreting as acceleration and vector changes. The technology would suppress virtual particles such that the entire object shrinks 90 degrees from our 3D appearing to get more distant but as the chase aircraft passes the window where the UFO initiated this type of displacement it interprets the parallax of the UFO suddenly zipping away as velocity when it is really no more than the trees zipping past your peripheral vision along a narrow highway -the 3D ant farm we live in relative to a craft with temporal navigation capability. Fran
Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Once again. Remarkable lack of negotiation protocol to - not keep things even. A conditional release should be a minimum after my agreement, which you will have tomorrow. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: If you thought I couldn’t go any further out on a limb how about UFO accelerations and sudden changes in vector being related to a macro form of this same posit of inhibiting virtual particles at the nano scale via casimir geometry. A macro world version of vacuum suppression would fit well with the observations of UFO craft that suddenly seemed to accelerate away, change vector and disappear from radar screens or even eluding chase aircraft by what we may be visually misinterpreting as acceleration and vector changes. The technology would suppress virtual particles such that the entire object shrinks 90 degrees from our 3D appearing to get more distant but as the chase aircraft passes the window where the UFO initiated this type of displacement it interprets the parallax of the UFO suddenly zipping away as velocity when it is really no more than the trees zipping past your peripheral vision along a narrow highway –the 3D ant farm we live in relative to a craft with temporal navigation capability. Fran
[Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
Hat tip to e-catworld. They've been doing some very strong investigative reporting on eCat lately. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ I have no idea what to make of this, TBH. I agree though, why didn't Mats wait for the report? Maybe he just jumped the gun though.
Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
I have been looking at copper because it has an interesting relationship with the DNA triple helix.There is no evidence that iron has such an intimate relationship. The Copper 2+ ion is magnetic, and is borderline between being ferro and ferri magnetic, and I suspect that biology has learnt how to make good use of this marginal state. What is then interesting is the possibility of coupling between the copper atom's spin state and the spin state of protons of the water associated with the DNA. If anything, what mobile phone usage demonstrates is how resiliant the brain is to EM interference, in that while I have no dount it has some effect, it is nevertheless very subtle. Nigel On 21/05/2014 17:53, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer And not just LENR. I am currently looking at how this may occur in the copper that is associated with DNA/DNA/RNA triple helixes Cyril Smith says: If we wish to use Larmor precessions as charge pumps, but without external microwaves maintaining the FMR resonance, we need another method for cohering the precessions. There is an argument that, in a ferromagnetic conductor, phase-locking of the individual lattice precessions can be achieved by spin-spin coupling to and from conduction electrons ... Nigel - Why not iron, instead of copper? Out of curiosity, I did a brief googling to see if DNA has an associated RF resonance. This turned up: Biophysicists have demonstrated that DNA... resonantly absorbs electromagnetic energy in the microwave range of the frequency spectrum... They have found in their experiments that microwaves in the 300 MHz to 3 GHz range can be thermally absorbed by causing a dipolar molecule, such as water to oscillate in a frictional media, thereby dissipating the energy in the form of heat... ... which seems a bit high for Larmor precession and seems to be a relic of water, not DNA, but it is one more reason why cell phones are not recommended for constant use by teenagers (since the range overlaps)
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
Oh, no, again! 2014-05-21 20:04 GMT-03:00 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (blazespinna...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3DET5AOrSMoRb8ijHU6OeD39xmqb70AVhydqBR8xGtT8v3MWbwzeXtK44IqyAsuTT4rhs6tjhJ0Hn%252F5%252B5ECmALSPLyl%252BMsMpXfRHKRIu6sS%252B1KTxRX8ss%252FIIHx6IKfM%252F3OT%252FnD4InL1ILxscqFCvYi7g%253D%253D%26key%3DjDNWLtMPh1WnhciD%252FjohCn%252F1kT7SFGY6eGp%252FLMjqhxU%253Dtc_serial=17331470876tc_rand=2132944557utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17331470876tc_rand=2132944557utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 Hat tip to e-catworld. They've been doing some very strong investigative reporting on eCat lately. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ I have no idea what to make of this, TBH. I agree though, why didn't Mats wait for the report? Maybe he just jumped the gun though. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
What was particularly fascinating (as e-catworld also points out, but I did read this earlier) was the timely shout out by Rossi: Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. Is Rossi sending a message to potential sharebuyers that Magnus Holm is the real deal? Is Rossi getting a kickback from Hydrofusion? Man, this freaks me out! On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Hat tip to e-catworld. They've been doing some very strong investigative reporting on eCat lately. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ I have no idea what to make of this, TBH. I agree though, why didn't Mats wait for the report? Maybe he just jumped the gun though.
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
Daniel, maybe you could cut down on the obliqueness. It'd make your postings more intersting. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, no, again! 2014-05-21 20:04 GMT-03:00 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (blazespinna...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3DET5AOrSMoRb8ijHU6OeD39xmqb70AVhydqBR8xGtT8v3MWbwzeXtK44IqyAsuTT4rhs6tjhJ0Hn%252F5%252B5ECmALSPLyl%252BMsMpXfRHKRIu6sS%252B1KTxRX8ss%252FIIHx6IKfM%252F3OT%252FnD4InL1ILxscqFCvYi7g%253D%253D%26key%3DjDNWLtMPh1WnhciD%252FjohCn%252F1kT7SFGY6eGp%252FLMjqhxU%253Dtc_serial=17331470876tc_rand=2132944557utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17331470876tc_rand=2132944557utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 Hat tip to e-catworld. They've been doing some very strong investigative reporting on eCat lately. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ I have no idea what to make of this, TBH. I agree though, why didn't Mats wait for the report? Maybe he just jumped the gun though. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
I don't understand what kind of message he would be sending... :S -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
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RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR
Sorry Len, I will endeavor to insert several sentences to act as acceleration dampers in future releases. Take 2 aspirin and you already called me yesterday – you are feeling fine tomorrow. Sorry but I am losing phase lock with your present temporal coordin…..t…….s… From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A Relativistic catalyst for LENR Once again. Remarkable lack of negotiation protocol to - not keep things even. A conditional release should be a minimum after my agreement, which you will have tomorrow. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.comhttp://www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.commailto:lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.commailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: If you thought I couldn’t go any further out on a limb how about UFO accelerations and sudden changes in vector being related to a macro form of this same posit of inhibiting virtual particles at the nano scale via casimir geometry. A macro world version of vacuum suppression would fit well with the observations of UFO craft that suddenly seemed to accelerate away, change vector and disappear from radar screens or even eluding chase aircraft by what we may be visually misinterpreting as acceleration and vector changes. The technology would suppress virtual particles such that the entire object shrinks 90 degrees from our 3D appearing to get more distant but as the chase aircraft passes the window where the UFO initiated this type of displacement it interprets the parallax of the UFO suddenly zipping away as velocity when it is really no more than the trees zipping past your peripheral vision along a narrow highway –the 3D ant farm we live in relative to a craft with temporal navigation capability. Fran
[Vo]:Hydrofusion and Cashing In-- and Gary Wright!!!!!
Greetings Vortex-l As the bottom of the Hydrofusion -Cashing In ..I saw Gary Wright! http://revolution-green.com/who-is-gary-wright/ I guess that this is nothing new. Ron Kita
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
So here's the structure: 5M outstanding, pre-money valuation of 5M 1M share offering.That will be 6M outstanding shares, so 1M will give you a ~16.6% equity stake. Here's my baseline assumptions/guesses No employees No revenue They have a distribution agreement with Rossi, but not IH. Rossi is potentially a shareholder in HydroFusion. The 1M is really seed money as they try to build a business. *Question - why not wait until the report and ask for more money?* I'm going to lower my estimate of Rossi being real based on this stock offering. It smells awful. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand what you mean. 2014-05-21 20:12 GMT-03:00 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (blazespinna...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3DeO86tpM5wGk%252FjSKSkupPFOLHqjlFhQ1nogbboAAirqnp%252B8c4zwWQ9pZs4w44KWD2ZuutKuM1a1J%252FYyynE5%252BND%252FWNtQ9cwzyITUTo2tegucoApzQatgf8oM0hSimT4fR84JRTDR3fUEI%252FCuwWfZIEXQ%253D%253D%26key%3DQAtc55UZjt%252BuPwmvo%252F4cn8MEAvAfGNYLK3AfwmQGQPg%253Dtc_serial=17331521949tc_rand=364937566utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17331521949tc_rand=364937566utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 Daniel, maybe you could cut down on the obliqueness. It'd make your postings more intersting. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Oh, no, again! 2014-05-21 20:04 GMT-03:00 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! (blazespinna...@gmail.com) Add cleanup rulehttps://www.boxbe.com/popup?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxbe.com%2Fcleanup%3Ftoken%3DET5AOrSMoRb8ijHU6OeD39xmqb70AVhydqBR8xGtT8v3MWbwzeXtK44IqyAsuTT4rhs6tjhJ0Hn%252F5%252B5ECmALSPLyl%252BMsMpXfRHKRIu6sS%252B1KTxRX8ss%252FIIHx6IKfM%252F3OT%252FnD4InL1ILxscqFCvYi7g%253D%253D%26key%3DjDNWLtMPh1WnhciD%252FjohCn%252F1kT7SFGY6eGp%252FLMjqhxU%253Dtc_serial=17331470876tc_rand=2132944557utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001| More infohttp://blog.boxbe.com/general/boxbe-automatic-cleanup?tc_serial=17331470876tc_rand=2132944557utm_source=stfutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=ANNO_CLEANUP_ADDutm_content=001 Hat tip to e-catworld. They've been doing some very strong investigative reporting on eCat lately. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ I have no idea what to make of this, TBH. I agree though, why didn't Mats wait for the report? Maybe he just jumped the gun though. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release. Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee. I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe. XOM is still trading near historical highs, for example. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability back to 35% based on the latest news coming out of BLP and McKubre. Hopefully we'll see some more encouraging things soon. The next indie report on the ecat should be an interesting inflection report. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Fulvio , the tech Director R.D. at Leonardo Corporation MIAMI - FL - USA previous job was: Frelance Consultanthttp://www.linkedin.com/search?search=title=Frelance+ConsultantsortCriteria=RkeepFacets=truecurrentTitle=CPtrk=prof-exp-title European Gaming and Gambling Tech Markethttp://www.linkedin.com/search?search=company=European+Gaming+and+Gambling+Tech+MarketsortCriteria=RkeepFacets=truetrk=prof-exp-company-name -4% Now back to 31%. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: This is based
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
I am decreasing the probability of Blaze pulling his head out of his ass down to 11%. He logs onto his own thread without reading it and responding to posts directly for him. He generates his own probabilities often on things that have nothing to do with Rossi, and doesn't define what being real is, and let's not forget that he first offered 10:1 odds when he first showed up here and very quickly backed away. He's running agenda on top of all this annoying cephalorectomy garbage. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release. Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee. I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe. XOM is still trading near historical highs, for example. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability back to 35% based on the latest news coming out of BLP and McKubre. Hopefully we'll see some more encouraging things soon. The next indie report on the ecat should be an interesting inflection report. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:52
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: In consideration of the recent posting regarding converting light into mass, the upper limit of energy density is set by the speed of light at 2.5 x 10^13 Wh/kg. Although the scientists have not actually converted photons to electrons and positrons, a controlled reverse process can be conceived which could achieve the upper limit. Such process would not necessarily involve any nucleus. To get the power seen in the 2013 E-Cat test, I assume the amount of pair production and resulting 511 keV annihilation photons from such a process would make a fantastic x-ray CRT and would be lethal to anyone nearby if not adequately shielded. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR
On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: For instance, relativistic electron pumping via Dirac mechanics would not be nuclear. Is this a Dirac sea mechanism? Aside from a nuclear source, we have as possibilities f/H shrinkage, something coming out of the Dirac sea, and pure pair production from light. I'm inclined to invoke Occam, but I guess that's not so persuasive here. ;) Will f/H shrinkage provide a specific energy of 10E7 Wh/kg? When I think of f/H, the thought ~100 eV comes to my mind. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
Here is the message Rossi is sending: He is about to get swamped by media inquiries, interviews, accolades, and hints on stock tips. He is repaying some of the help he has received from others in the past. Hydrofusion is one of his friends to whom he is indebted. When the report comes out, and NASA follows it up with their assessment, suddenly LENR is real. Everyone will want a piece of it. And they'll look for any clues as to where to get in on the action. Hydrofusion will be one of those pieces. So will the stock in CYPW or other Stirling Engine manufacturers. Coal and oil stocks will plummet. It is likely that the next stage will include a flat-out demo by Hydrofusion. We are going in for some heady times similar to when the Wright brothers demo'd their capabilities to an initially unbelieving audience. Anyone want a cup of Richard Garwin tea? Only $13.99. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand what kind of message he would be sending... :S -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating much more than the technology. These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be capable of providing continuing improvements to their nascent cold fusion technology over many years into the intermediate future at the forefront of that LENR science. These partners will be capable of testing DGT and adapting these systems to meet their own needs and evolving those systems to meet there current and future product requirements. DGT must be able to explain the finest and most obscure points of LENR science within a framework of a new unified scientific paradigm. The partners who do due diligence will evaluate the key personnel of DGT to insure that this technical and management team will provide cutting edge science into the indefinite future. This management will also include the security and intellectual protection of the HEMI technology which will insure a vanguard position in the field of LENR both now and into the foreseeable future. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
The same level of horse manure is what the investors behind Glenn Curtiss said. He didn't need to invent the airplane. He didn't need to know squat about it. He just needed to improve on what was presented. And he stole the rest. History shows him to be the con man, and the Wright brothers to be the true heroes who were wronged by his patent abuses. There will be no doubt another terrible patent war surrounding LENR. Butmby next year, everyone knows that Rossi is the one who pushed this technology into open. Not the guys who admitted to stealing Rossi's secret. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating much more than the technology. These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be capable of providing continuing improvements to their nascent cold fusion technology over many years into the intermediate future at the forefront of that LENR science. These partners will be capable of testing DGT and adapting these systems to meet their own needs and evolving those systems to meet there current and future product requirements. DGT must be able to explain the finest and most obscure points of LENR science within a framework of a new unified scientific paradigm. The partners who do due diligence will evaluate the key personnel of DGT to insure that this technical and management team will provide cutting edge science into the indefinite future. This management will also include the security and intellectual protection of the HEMI technology which will insure a vanguard position in the field of LENR both now and into the foreseeable future. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
And Rossi stole Piantelli's secrets... On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The same level of horse manure is what the investors behind Glenn Curtiss said. He didn't need to invent the airplane. He didn't need to know squat about it. He just needed to improve on what was presented. And he stole the rest. History shows him to be the con man, and the Wright brothers to be the true heroes who were wronged by his patent abuses. There will be no doubt another terrible patent war surrounding LENR. Butmby next year, everyone knows that Rossi is the one who pushed this technology into open. Not the guys who admitted to stealing Rossi's secret. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating much more than the technology. These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be capable of providing continuing improvements to their nascent cold fusion technology over many years into the intermediate future at the forefront of that LENR science. These partners will be capable of testing DGT and adapting these systems to meet their own needs and evolving those systems to meet there current and future product requirements. DGT must be able to explain the finest and most obscure points of LENR science within a framework of a new unified scientific paradigm. The partners who do due diligence will evaluate the key personnel of DGT to insure that this technical and management team will provide cutting edge science into the indefinite future. This management will also include the security and intellectual protection of the HEMI technology which will insure a vanguard position in the field of LENR both now and into the foreseeable future. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion
When did Rossi brag about such a thing? Defkalion BRAGGED. I doubt Rossi stole such secrets. And arguing with you is a fool's errand. Jed is right. You are wrong. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: And Rossi stole Piantelli's secrets... On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The same level of horse manure is what the investors behind Glenn Curtiss said. He didn't need to invent the airplane. He didn't need to know squat about it. He just needed to improve on what was presented. And he stole the rest. History shows him to be the con man, and the Wright brothers to be the true heroes who were wronged by his patent abuses. There will be no doubt another terrible patent war surrounding LENR. Butmby next year, everyone knows that Rossi is the one who pushed this technology into open. Not the guys who admitted to stealing Rossi's secret. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The handful of partners who will initially invest in the DGT technology will be entering into a joint venture where the partners will be evaluating much more than the technology. These partners will be looking at DGT as an organization that will be capable of providing continuing improvements to their nascent cold fusion technology over many years into the intermediate future at the forefront of that LENR science. These partners will be capable of testing DGT and adapting these systems to meet their own needs and evolving those systems to meet there current and future product requirements. DGT must be able to explain the finest and most obscure points of LENR science within a framework of a new unified scientific paradigm. The partners who do due diligence will evaluate the key personnel of DGT to insure that this technical and management team will provide cutting edge science into the indefinite future. This management will also include the security and intellectual protection of the HEMI technology which will insure a vanguard position in the field of LENR both now and into the foreseeable future. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In procurement of systems, it is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence: This argument seems to be a different one than one in which DGT is held to be basically sound but misunderstood. In this line of reasoning, it would seem that DGT are free to do whatever they like, including squirly business practices that approach fraud, and it is up to potential investors to make sure they know what they're getting into. This does not seem like a promising approach to exonerating DGT. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
This is a very ambitious theory. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the message Rossi is sending: He is about to get swamped by media inquiries, interviews, accolades, and hints on stock tips. He is repaying some of the help he has received from others in the past. Hydrofusion is one of his friends to whom he is indebted. When the report comes out, and NASA follows it up with their assessment, suddenly LENR is real. Everyone will want a piece of it. And they'll look for any clues as to where to get in on the action. Hydrofusion will be one of those pieces. So will the stock in CYPW or other Stirling Engine manufacturers. Coal and oil stocks will plummet. It is likely that the next stage will include a flat-out demo by Hydrofusion. We are going in for some heady times similar to when the Wright brothers demo'd their capabilities to an initially unbelieving audience. Anyone want a cup of Richard Garwin tea? Only $13.99. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't understand what kind of message he would be sending... :S -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Kevin, if you want to invest .. why not HydroFusion? Looks to be the best option. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I am decreasing the probability of Blaze pulling his head out of his ass down to 11%. He logs onto his own thread without reading it and responding to posts directly for him. He generates his own probabilities often on things that have nothing to do with Rossi, and doesn't define what being real is, and let's not forget that he first offered 10:1 odds when he first showed up here and very quickly backed away. He's running agenda on top of all this annoying cephalorectomy garbage. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release. Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee. I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe. XOM is still trading near historical highs, for example. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability back to 35% based on the latest news coming out of BLP and McKubre.
Re: [Vo]:Hydrofusion stock offering and analysis by freeenergyscams
It is less ambitious than your supposed 35% probability that Rossi is real. If you had been reading your own thread, you'd know why. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: This is a very ambitious theory. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Here is the message Rossi is sending: He is about to get swamped by media inquiries, interviews, accolades, and hints on stock tips. He is repaying some of the help he has received from others in the past. Hydrofusion is one of his friends to whom he is indebted. When the report comes out, and NASA follows it up with their assessment, suddenly LENR is real. Everyone will want a piece of it. And they'll look for any clues as to where to get in on the action. Hydrofusion will be one of those pieces. So will the stock in CYPW or other Stirling Engine manufacturers. Coal and oil stocks will plummet. It is likely that the next stage will include a flat-out demo by Hydrofusion. We are going in for some heady times similar to when the Wright brothers demo'd their capabilities to an initially unbelieving audience. Anyone want a cup of Richard Garwin tea? Only $13.99. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't understand what kind of message he would be sending... :S -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Because I invested already. No thanks to you and your idiotic responses on this thread. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Kevin, if you want to invest .. why not HydroFusion? Looks to be the best option. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I am decreasing the probability of Blaze pulling his head out of his ass down to 11%. He logs onto his own thread without reading it and responding to posts directly for him. He generates his own probabilities often on things that have nothing to do with Rossi, and doesn't define what being real is, and let's not forget that he first offered 10:1 odds when he first showed up here and very quickly backed away. He's running agenda on top of all this annoying cephalorectomy garbage. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release. Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee. I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe. XOM is still trading near historical highs, for example. On
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Revising my estimate that Blaze will pull it out down to 10%. Based upon his previous posts, his response on this thread when directly challenged, his responses on other threads which he brings over here as if it meant something, and his initial 10:1 odds that he reneged on. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Because I invested already. No thanks to you and your idiotic responses on this thread. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin, if you want to invest .. why not HydroFusion? Looks to be the best option. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I am decreasing the probability of Blaze pulling his head out of his ass down to 11%. He logs onto his own thread without reading it and responding to posts directly for him. He generates his own probabilities often on things that have nothing to do with Rossi, and doesn't define what being real is, and let's not forget that he first offered 10:1 odds when he first showed up here and very quickly backed away. He's running agenda on top of all this annoying cephalorectomy garbage. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Yes, let the anger flow through you, my apprentice. It will make you powerful. Anyways, no need to get stressed - whatever happens, I guarantee it will be exciting. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Revising my estimate that Blaze will pull it out down to 10%. Based upon his previous posts, his response on this thread when directly challenged, his responses on other threads which he brings over here as if it meant something, and his initial 10:1 odds that he reneged on. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Because I invested already. No thanks to you and your idiotic responses on this thread. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin, if you want to invest .. why not HydroFusion? Looks to be the best option. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I am decreasing the probability of Blaze pulling his head out of his ass down to 11%. He logs onto his own thread without reading it and responding to posts directly for him. He generates his own probabilities often on things that have nothing to do with Rossi, and doesn't define what being real is, and let's not forget that he first offered 10:1 odds when he first showed up here and very quickly backed away. He's running agenda on top of all this annoying cephalorectomy garbage. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 31% based on smelly stock offering. http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-hydro-fusion-cashing-in-before-the-collapse/ HydroFusion is ran by Dr. Magnus Holm. Seems credible - but why didn't he wait until after the report to ask for more money? Why is Rossi doing shout outs about Dr Holm? Andrea Rossi May 18th, 2014 at 11:20 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=848cpage=1#comment-957368 Orsobubu: Thank you for your comment, that indroduces us to the paper published today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics: GEOMETRY OF STRING THEORY SOLITONS by Dr Magnus Holm . It is an important work of this scientist made in 1999, but I find his work dense of important information. It is not an easy reading, the work is rigorous, but this is the Journal of Nuclear Physics, and the paper is perfectly in line with the field of application of our Journal. Dr Magnus Holm is presently working also with me for the E-Cat. About the comment of our friend Orsobubu: I do not share his certainties regarding the so called “social sciences”. Warm Regards, A.R. This could be just really inane business strategy or perhaps Magnus just doesn't have a good contract with Rossi/IH. For those who really believe in Rossi, my suggestion would be to contact Hydro fusion and buy up as many shares as you possibly can. I think everything comes down to this report that should be coming over the next month. We could see a rise over over 20-30% on the basis of this report. Another possibility is that the report may reveal a low COP which is competitive only with geothermal and could be the result of uninteresting fuel sources. (which means a drop in probability of 10% or so) Another (unlikely in my mind) possibility is that the report will reveal that it doesn't do anything useful, which will be a drop in 25%. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder
