[Vo]:Software collision experiment
Hi all, I was wondering about the higher then expected rates of fusion seen in accelerator experiments at moderate speeds seen by researcher and explained by electron screening. The fundamental paper Kim et all i basing his theory on is in a sense interesting and can be a reality, but I did only see that they manage to fit the model to the data, not really a proof of that the model explain the phenomena, or am I wrong? What is the general thought here have we got this result explained or is there more to do? My thought is the following, if the proton hit the hydrogen atom fast enough the electron field does not adapt fast enough and I would assume that the picture is like a bullet penetrating a shield. Here the gamov factors explain the reaction rate. As the speed of the impacting proton gets slower, a mysterious effect of a significant part of the electron will sit beside the two protons as they approach each other and thereby screening the two fields. I was just curious how exactly this was so. My problem is that in a sense the incoming proton needs to push the electron field and keep it situated between them in order to do any shielding. What is the force causing this? Essentially I would like to peek into this physics of the system by simulating it in a computer using QED, but I guess that we cannot do this but rely on measurements or is it possible? anyone having a clue? My take on it is that we have a magnetic interaction between the electron and proton that pushes the electron field and keeps an electric shield between the two protons. This is an interesting picture, Now consider the hydrino states of QED. They are unphysical, but probably they show how the electron distribution would look like if the field was forced closer to the proton e.g. a very high density of the field close to the visinity of the proton also the cost of pushing the electron field like that (at least on one side of the proton) is energetically not so costly and unstable due to the what the mathematics of the hydrino QED show, so although the hydrino is an artefact, the mathematics can have a bearing. Now all this indicates that in the collision there may also be an electron present (it wnt's to behave like a hydrino) and hence the nuclear process that yield the helium is different than what considered normal, it may be so that this can give a handle to explain why neutrons are a rare event in LENR processes. A very interesting question is what happens to this physical experiment if the magnetics is controlled in the experiment, can one increase the rates seen even further. So in all I would like to peek into this system to get clues of actual physics, is it possible? Cheers! Stefan
Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe
Maybe you are right Kevin. The Swedes are making it hard for you. Damned Swedes. I did not know the Swedes were obligated to do anything for you? Have you paid for it? Or do you think they owe it Rossi and he does not want your $250k - wonder why. Some times the best Strategy is to hurry up and wait. Just FYI if you cannot follow you cannot lead either. Good Luck. My only point is that it will never pay to suspect negative things are personal to oneself by some body who is out to 'git ' you. Try to find a positive spin instead. BTW my 'tagline' as you say is an auto signature in my email and if it disturb you I will be happy to try to eliminate it when talking to you. :0 Best Regards , Lennart Thornros On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Kevin, I just said stock prices will not improve before the big players come in and they are not going to read 'the report' and d raw conclusions. ***You're talking about big cap stocks. I'm talking about small cap stocks. CYPW Cyclone Power in particular. 'The report' will do nothing for business. ***Not for big fatcats. But CYPW aint a big fatcat. After market intro the suppliers of auxiliary equipment has a market. Then there will be competition and that will be one by the one with the best position (position is technology, management, organization, capital etc.) . Hard to predict today. ***Not really. Oil will plummet, so will solar power. Waste Heat Engine companies (like CYPW) will go up, as well as desalination companies. To blame others and circumstances is futile. Outside things can be an explanation but not the cause. ***If they are the explanation then they are the cause. These swedes are not fulfilling their obligation. I'd bet that this is exactly what Rossi thinks. They screwed up the last report, they're screwing up this one. They had six months. All of us KNEW that there should likely be isotopic analysis with the 6-month test, but lo and behold!, these swedes just discovered the need for it. Are they REALLY that incompetent? Hard to believe. Are they human, subject to human temptations? Easy to believe. They are engaging in insider trading on their knowledge. Your assessment of dealing with put options is correct. I would hesitate as I think such companies as the energy companies has capital and are well oiled machines (pun not intended). On the other hand there is a possibility to BIG gain. ***CYPW stands to have BIG gain. They shot up 100X on CONVENTIONAL news in 2007. This is black-swan-now-you're-in-the-spotlight news. But the swedes are so friggin lazy, incompetent, and morally corrupt that they have changed the situation on the ground. 2 years too short and I would wait until LENR is commercial. ***You seem not to realize that the stock market is all about future value. If you wait until LENR is commercial, EVERYONE will be clamoring to get in on the action. It will make the dotcom boom look like a lemonade stand. I think I have learned enough about your perspective not to listen to your advice. Easier to assess the situation. ***Again, you seem not to realize what the whole stock market thing is about. By the time you're taking stock tips from the bellman, it's time to get out. That's what you are promoting here. The ideas that market is cornered ***It is Absafreekinglutely cornered by these swedes. The market right now is for information. Like Gordon Gecko said, The most valuable commodity I know is information. They have it, and they are hoarding it. But you can't see that they might possibly be just a tad bit tempted to act on the $Trillion information they possess. and conspiracy is dominating should keep your money out of the market. ***Cliche, meaningless cliche, don't know what your obfuscating and going on about. If you do not believe in your own investment than nobody else will and therefor nobody wants to buy your investments. Thus your investment will decline in value. Bad spiral - not a cliche. I would not invest without a personal engagement just for that reason. That is not an advice it is a personal opinion that fits me. *** don't know what your obfuscating and going on about.again... you're pretty far afield from your initial set of assertions. I do not know how to invest in Rossi. ***Then why did you give such advice upthread? Indeed, it was heavily weighted advice from you. I think that there is a price but I think it is very high and the only one that can answer your question is Rossi. ***In other words (though YOU didn't answer the question), there are precious few ways for a common man to invest in LENR or Rossi. CYPW Cyclone Power is one of them. All your endless obfuscations haven't furthered the common man's desire to support and invest in LENR one
Re: [Vo]:Software collision experiment
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: The fundamental paper Kim et all i basing his theory on is in a sense interesting and can be a reality, but I did only see that they manage to fit the model to the data, not really a proof of that the model explain the phenomena, or am I wrong? What is the general thought here have we got this result explained or is there more to do? When refining a model based on experiment it is obviously necessary to do follow up experiments to test the refined model otherwise one is merely engaged in the pejorative sense of data mining aka over-fitting.
Re: [Vo]:Software collision experiment
Over fitting was my feeling when reading about Kim et al. On the other hand if you can make use of first principles and simulate a collision that would be great for understanding of what happens in a collision. Of cause assuming that QED is good enough to model the electrodynamic stage of the collision. I have on the other side never seen QED validated in a three body example like He or such so until anyone can fill that gap I would be a little scared even to trust QED. Of cause doing such a simulation is probably insanely difficult, or? My problem is that I didn't get any physical understanding reading the paper (I could follow the math) just the usual summary statement that it is a shielding, but how? I want to understand the physics, and if the physical understanding is not there you can create great complex earth centric models that does not help anybody else but professors with a head the size of a huge pumpkin, in stead of a nice slim heliocentric model that enable some serious engineering to be done. Cheers! On a side note, maybe the pauli principle could be the force that pushed the electron and keep a shield, in that case orientation should be important no? and a good continuation of those experiments is to try varying the orientations if possible. Cheers! On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:22 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: The fundamental paper Kim et all i basing his theory on is in a sense interesting and can be a reality, but I did only see that they manage to fit the model to the data, not really a proof of that the model explain the phenomena, or am I wrong? What is the general thought here have we got this result explained or is there more to do? When refining a model based on experiment it is obviously necessary to do follow up experiments to test the refined model otherwise one is merely engaged in the pejorative sense of data mining aka over-fitting.
Re: [Vo]:Software collision experiment
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: My thought is the following, if the proton hit the hydrogen atom fast enough the electron field does not adapt fast enough and I would assume that the picture is like a bullet penetrating a shield. Here the gamov factors explain the reaction rate. I suspect in the present context that it would be hard to accelerate a proton to a velocity of the same order of magnitude as that of the electrons buzzing around. If my understanding is correct, they see something as massive as a proton lumbering along, barely moving, as the bound electrons race around their nuclei many times. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Say it ain't so, Joe
I am right. And as I said earlier, I think I have learned enough about your perspective not to listen to your advice. On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Maybe you are right Kevin. The Swedes are making it hard for you. Damned Swedes. I did not know the Swedes were obligated to do anything for you? Have you paid for it? Or do you think they owe it Rossi and he does not want your $250k - wonder why. Some times the best Strategy is to hurry up and wait. Just FYI if you cannot follow you cannot lead either. Good Luck. My only point is that it will never pay to suspect negative things are personal to oneself by some body who is out to 'git ' you. Try to find a positive spin instead. BTW my 'tagline' as you say is an auto signature in my email and if it disturb you I will be happy to try to eliminate it when talking to you. :0 Best Regards , Lennart Thornros On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Kevin, I just said stock prices will not improve before the big players come in and they are not going to read 'the report' and d raw conclusions. ***You're talking about big cap stocks. I'm talking about small cap stocks. CYPW Cyclone Power in particular. 'The report' will do nothing for business. ***Not for big fatcats. But CYPW aint a big fatcat. After market intro the suppliers of auxiliary equipment has a market. Then there will be competition and that will be one by the one with the best position (position is technology, management, organization, capital etc.) . Hard to predict today. ***Not really. Oil will plummet, so will solar power. Waste Heat Engine companies (like CYPW) will go up, as well as desalination companies. To blame others and circumstances is futile. Outside things can be an explanation but not the cause. ***If they are the explanation then they are the cause. These swedes are not fulfilling their obligation. I'd bet that this is exactly what Rossi thinks. They screwed up the last report, they're screwing up this one. They had six months. All of us KNEW that there should likely be isotopic analysis with the 6-month test, but lo and behold!, these swedes just discovered the need for it. Are they REALLY that incompetent? Hard to believe. Are they human, subject to human temptations? Easy to believe. They are engaging in insider trading on their knowledge. Your assessment of dealing with put options is correct. I would hesitate as I think such companies as the energy companies has capital and are well oiled machines (pun not intended). On the other hand there is a possibility to BIG gain. ***CYPW stands to have BIG gain. They shot up 100X on CONVENTIONAL news in 2007. This is black-swan-now-you're-in-the-spotlight news. But the swedes are so friggin lazy, incompetent, and morally corrupt that they have changed the situation on the ground. 2 years too short and I would wait until LENR is commercial. ***You seem not to realize that the stock market is all about future value. If you wait until LENR is commercial, EVERYONE will be clamoring to get in on the action. It will make the dotcom boom look like a lemonade stand. I think I have learned enough about your perspective not to listen to your advice. Easier to assess the situation. ***Again, you seem not to realize what the whole stock market thing is about. By the time you're taking stock tips from the bellman, it's time to get out. That's what you are promoting here. The ideas that market is cornered ***It is Absafreekinglutely cornered by these swedes. The market right now is for information. Like Gordon Gecko said, The most valuable commodity I know is information. They have it, and they are hoarding it. But you can't see that they might possibly be just a tad bit tempted to act on the $Trillion information they possess. and conspiracy is dominating should keep your money out of the market. ***Cliche, meaningless cliche, don't know what your obfuscating and going on about. If you do not believe in your own investment than nobody else will and therefor nobody wants to buy your investments. Thus your investment will decline in value. Bad spiral - not a cliche. I would not invest without a personal engagement just for that reason. That is not an advice it is a personal opinion that fits me. *** don't know what your obfuscating and going on about.again... you're pretty far afield from your initial set of assertions. I do not know how to invest in Rossi. ***Then why did you give such advice upthread? Indeed, it was heavily weighted advice from you. I think that there is a price but I think it is very high and the only one that can answer your question is Rossi. ***In other words (though YOU didn't answer the question),
[Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with deuterium to produce C60D60. I can think of no reason that this cannot be done. A brief google turns up nothing for this exact species, but did turn up an indication that the hydrogen version, C60H60 has been made in the Lab... If C60 will hydrogenate at all, then it should be possible to use only deuterium to arrive at C60D60. The reason: well, consider that FD or Fullerene Deuteride - C60D60 - would have interesting nuclear properties - as a massive stable boson in a dense unit. Eat your heart out, Higgs :-) Carbon is all three boson types: a nuclear boson, an atomic boson and a molecular boson. Ditto for deuterium. Ditto for FD but, wow... FD has an atomic weight of 840 amu. That's almost 7 times more massive than the Higgs, and extremely stable. It is probably superconductive as well, but that is a guess. Thus, FD would be a massive boson in a perfect sphere containing nuclear active isotopes and possibly superconductive, and one more feature - in the size range of many excitons. Of course, there are larger Fullerenes (in amu) but carbon alone has high nuclear stability so having lots of deuterium present could make this hyper-boson most interesting for fusion ... say as a target for ICF... or even for implosion by SPP. Who knows? FD-CF or FD-ICF ... take your pick. You heard it first on Vortex... :-) attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:11 Hinderances To LENR
11 Hinderances To LENR http://newenergytreasure.com/2014/05/10/10-hinderances-to-lenr/ Posted on May 10, 2014 http://newenergytreasure.com/2014/05/10/10-hinderances-to-lenr/ by C. T. Amos http://newenergytreasure.com/author/jfavrlxt/ http://newenergytreasure.com/2014/05/10/10-hinderances-to-lenr/ People always question why Cold Fusion/LENR has up to now neither been commercialized nor accepted in mainstream science. It’s been a quarter of a century already since Fleischmen/Pons so if LENR really is a true science worthy of the world’s attention, then why is it laughed upon and still considered a debunked voodoo science? Well, below are some answers to these questions. 1. *There are many who have been paid to demonize LENR and to hinder any progress*. Just look at some of the material uncovered by the famous or infamous Edward Snowden. [image: screenshot4]The JTRIG for example, short for Joint Threat Research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Threat_Research_Intelligence_GroupIntelligence Group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Threat_Research_Intelligence_Group, is a unit of British Intelligance Agency whose sole purpose is to use “dirty tricks” such as cyber attacks and social medial propaganda to “destroy, deny, degrade [and] disrupt” enemies by “discrediting” them, planting misinformation and shutting down their communications. Another example of paid entities working to suppress the truth and push forward the false, evil, and greed-inspired agenders of their paymasters, is the Global Warming group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy. Ever noticed how it’s no longer called global warming anymore but just climate change now? That’s because they saw the lie couldn’t for long work since the earth is actually not getting any warmer. Might as well just call it climate change to throw the detractors off guard. Anyway, Emails were discovered in 2009 proving that global warming was simply a scientific conspiracy in which scientists manipulated climate data and attempted to suppress critics. Why the need for such a conspiracy you ask, simple: Firstly, the scientists involved stand to gain financially. Secondly, the global elite know they can gain greater control over the nations of the earth by getting them to adhere to strict energy regulations under the guise of “saving the planet”. This is all part of the One World Government / New World Order agenda. Thirdly, greed-inspired governments know they can make a lot of money from what they could collect for carbon footprint infringements. Allegations of free energy suppression are not a new thing. It is widely accepted that the view exists that the scientific community has controlled and suppressed research into alternative avenues of energy generation via the institutions of peer review and academic pressure. Nothing new here. 2. *Mega rich oil barons* won’t allow cold fusion to destroy their multi-trillion dollar oil industry. Honestly, if you’re making $100 billion from oil every year would you not try by all means to stop any energy alternatives that would result in each and every nation being energy independent and non reliant on your oil? 3. *Most scientists renounce it just because higher scientists have done so.* Much like the Climategate saga, top physicists said climate change is a problem, and the rest followed suit. [image: professor]So if a professor emeritus with over 40 years experience in quantum physics and nuclear science, and with thousands of published papers and hundreds of books penned, says Cold Fusion is not real and that he has conducted research studies at the highest institutions of learning in the the most technologically advanced nation in the world alongside fellow physicists of the highest eminence, then no doubt every other scientist in every other country will trust and believe in the man’s research. 4. *Patent applications.* Not only does the patent office have a well known secret of rejecting anything to do with cold fusion, but some patent applications also deserve the treatment they get. One person comes to mind here and that’s non other than the man himself, Andrea Rossi. If you read his patent applications, it sounds like he’s begging the patent office to just throw his documents into the shredder. For example, when you start by saying in your application that “The present invention… has been stimulated by the requirement of finding alternative energy sources…” and then start drawing comparisons of your invention to “Cold Fusion”, I really don’t think that patent application will be successful. And when the patent application is unsuccessful, the inventor will find it even harder to commercialize his technology. 5. *There are also wolves in sheep’s clothing*, scam artists, who use LENR as a way to scam others, preying on others’ greed. We all know about these kinds of characters in the world. 6. *Mankind has not fully tapped into it.* The science behind it is not really
Re: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
For a while we saw dozens of PhD dissertations of someone's favorite molecule entrapped in a fullerene. Why not ours? But CNTs make more sense for a V1DLLBEC theory. You constrain every vibrational reaction direction except up-or-down the tube. Things happen in 1 direction that don't happen in 2 or 3 directions. In the case you are speculating about, it would be that things happen in 0 directions, right? On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with deuterium to produce C60D60. I can think of no reason that this cannot be done. A brief google turns up nothing for this exact species, but did turn up an indication that the hydrogen version, C60H60 has been made in the Lab... If C60 will hydrogenate at all, then it should be possible to use only deuterium to arrive at C60D60. The reason: well, consider that FD or Fullerene Deuteride - C60D60 - would have interesting nuclear properties - as a massive stable boson in a dense unit. Eat your heart out, Higgs :-) Carbon is all three boson types: a nuclear boson, an atomic boson and a molecular boson. Ditto for deuterium. Ditto for FD but, wow... FD has an atomic weight of 840 amu. That's almost 7 times more massive than the Higgs, and extremely stable. It is probably superconductive as well, but that is a guess. Thus, FD would be a massive boson in a perfect sphere containing nuclear active isotopes and possibly superconductive, and one more feature - in the size range of many excitons. Of course, there are larger Fullerenes (in amu) but carbon alone has high nuclear stability so having lots of deuterium present could make this hyper-boson most interesting for fusion ... say as a target for ICF... or even for implosion by SPP. Who knows? FD-CF or FD-ICF ... take your pick. You heard it first on Vortex... :-)
Re: [Vo]:C60D60 - Fullerene Deuteride as a fusion fuel?
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Imagine... a Fullerene... which is of course 60 atoms of carbon arranged in the famous tightly bound sphere, and known to be superconductor in certain conditions -- but now we fully hydrogenate these carbon atoms with deuterium to produce C60D60. ***What I would like to imagine is a fullerene with a hole in it (and filled with Deuterium). It would be something like C59D60. Perhaps it would jet around like a balloon that you blow up and let go. Imagine CNTs with trillions of one-hole C59D60s inside, all pointing their exit vectors in one direction. It would be gunpowder cannons raised to the 4400th power.
