[Vo]:Tomorrow double issue of EGO

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Readers,

Today I will not publish an issue of EGO OUT.
I have the privilege of a friendly discussion with
PETER GRANDICS  from Carlsbad, US new energy
researcher and author,very stimulative and inspirational.
Our mutual friend  is RON KITA- thank you dear Ron for
organizing this meeting!

Yours as always,
Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin ICCF19 PowerPoint YouTube video

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> Minute 3 to the 13. A discussion of theory. This cannot be used to
> evaluate the claims. It does not address calorimetry or any engineering
> issues.
>

I do not mean that theory can play no role in a discussion of experimental
results, or that theory can never be supportive of results. I mean that in
this particular 10 minute segment of this video, Godes makes no effort to
tie in the theory with his results.

For example, at minute 9 there is a discussion of the Heisenberg
confinement energy, and a simulation commission by Bruiloun to Pacific
Northwest National Lab. The simulation reportedly supports Godes' theory.
That is interesting, but if you wish to show that it supports the
experimental results you have to say something like: "the theory predicts X
and our experimental data confirms X."

This presentation is titled: "Energy source for the post-carbon economy --
controlled electron capture reaction a clear path forward to the
post-carbon economy." That is an assertion about engineering. The theory
should be used to support that assertion.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> Eventually, after cold fusion is established, there will be market niches
> that demand somewhat more efficient mechanical conversion, such as
> aerospace engines and other mobile applications. This will probably not be
> needed for automobiles, ships or railroad locomotives. Conventional
> automobiles have only 20% efficient engines, this can probably be achieved
> with conventional steam turbine or Stirling engines.
>

With cold fusion, what you want is a high power to weight ratio. A 5%
efficient engine producing 10 kW per kilogram of engine is much better than
20% efficiency with 1 kW per kilogram. That seems odd from our present
perspective. With a liquid fuel chemical engine, the fuel itself weighs a
great deal. A 5% efficient engine would have to carry 4 times more fuel
than the 20% engine. For a long range vehicle such as a ship, the fuel
would outweigh the engine. With cold fusion, no matter what the efficiency
is, the fuel weighs nothing. The only problem with an inefficient cold
fusion engine is that you have to have a large radiator. When you get down
to around 3% you end up with something like a 19th century steam tractor,
which is all engine:

http://de.geoview.info/19th_century_umrath_steam_engine_still_up_and_running_at_the_2010_langenpfunzen_tractor_fair,38612696p

Here is a useful textbook, partly available on line:

"The Economic Growth Engine: How Energy and Work Drive Material Prosperity"

https://books.google.com/books?id=nLfJKVK9uJsC=frontcover=gbs_atb#v=onepage=false

See the discussion starting on page 101.

- Jed

[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] Improved Water Arc Discharge for Water Ozonation.

[Harvey Norris]

 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

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     Improved Water Arc Discharge for Water Ozonation. 
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Improved Design for (vortexian bell discharge) Water Ozonation. ~ 1 inch 
separation of high voltage bipolar TC electrodes. Dramatic improvement mad...   
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   Improved Design for (vortexian bell discharge) Water Ozonation. ~ 1 inch 
separation of high voltage bipolar TC electrodes. Dramatic improvement made by 
having preliminary larger length discharge path in parallel with shorter length 
water discharge point. Loss over high voltage secondary delivery lines 
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[Vo]:OT: Launching a new audio website

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Feel free to take a brief break from the CF controversy and check out my new
audio website. Keeping Sturgeon's Law in mind I did my best to include only
my best compositions. Rest assured, many compositions died on the operating
table and will never see the light of day. Some of these works go back as
far as 2003. They are all digitally mastered. Lots of wave tables and wave
modification algorithms were employed. It's possible Frank Znidarsic might
enjoy a momentary distraction since I gather he has been working on a music
app for androids.

 

audio.orionworks.com

 

At the top of the list I have included brand new composition titled "Aurora
Borealis" completed earlier this year. Length: 6:30. This particular
arrangement is more ethereal, ambient and unstructured than most of my
previous compositions. Should be easy listening for most.

 

Included are photos and a brief commentary concerning the creative process
(according to Steven Vincent Johnson) under "The Composing Process" menu.

 

Engaging in the composing process can be therapeutic, particularly when I
have OD'd on too much computer coding... or trying to stuff my brains with
too many calculus formulae. There are times the analytical portions of my
brain simply need to be de-fragmentized. May you enjoy a little
de-fragmentization of your own. ;-)

 

PS: audio.orionworks.com was developed using XARA Web Designer. See:
xara.com.  Most of my other OrionWorks subdomains were developed using XARA
as well. It's a pretty decent package for rapid prototype development. I
appreciate XARA's WYSIWYG philosophy. No CSS or HTML coding. That allowed me
to focus on design, color, and layout to a very large extent. I put this two
page website together in two days. XARA would not a good choice for
developing and maintaining large data-base oriented sites, like
Lenr-Canr.org. There is no database management. For large websites, Jed is
right. Use a tool like Word Press. If I get around to journaling some of my
Kepler research under a new subdomain, using Word Press may very well be the
tool I'll use.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:OT: Launching a new audio website

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Thats:

 

http://audio.orionworks.com/index.htm

 

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:05 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:OT: Launching a new audio website

 

Feel free to take a brief break from the CF controversy and check out my new
audio website. Keeping Sturgeon's Law in mind I did my best to include only
my best compositions. Rest assured, many compositions died on the operating
table and will never see the light of day. Some of these works go back as
far as 2003. They are all digitally mastered. Lots of wave tables and wave
modification algorithms were employed. It's possible Frank Znidarsic might
enjoy a momentary distraction since I gather he has been working on a music
app for androids.

 

audio.orionworks.com

 

At the top of the list I have included brand new composition titled "Aurora
Borealis" completed earlier this year. Length: 6:30. This particular
arrangement is more ethereal, ambient and unstructured than most of my
previous compositions. Should be easy listening for most.

 

Included are photos and a brief commentary concerning the creative process
(according to Steven Vincent Johnson) under "The Composing Process" menu.

 

Engaging in the composing process can be therapeutic, particularly when I
have OD'd on too much computer coding... or trying to stuff my brains with
too many calculus formulae. There are times the analytical portions of my
brain simply need to be de-fragmentized. May you enjoy a little
de-fragmentization of your own. ;-)

 

PS: audio.orionworks.com was developed using XARA Web Designer. See:
xara.com.  Most of my other OrionWorks subdomains were developed using XARA
as well. It's a pretty decent package for rapid prototype development. I
appreciate XARA's WYSIWYG philosophy. No CSS or HTML coding. That allowed me
to focus on design, color, and layout to a very large extent. I put this two
page website together in two days. XARA would not a good choice for
developing and maintaining large data-base oriented sites, like
Lenr-Canr.org. There is no database management. For large websites, Jed is
right. Use a tool like Word Press. If I get around to journaling some of my
Kepler research under a new subdomain, using Word Press may very well be the
tool I'll use.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

[Jed Rothwell]

Mark Goldes  wrote:


> It also must reject heat as a waste product.
>
> Efficiency will undoubtedly be below 50% and may be much less. AESOP
> Energy piston engines are not Carnot limited.
>

That is impossible.

Let us assume this means the device converts nearly all heat to mechanical
power, and nearly all of that power is converted to electricity. In other
words, is a highly efficient device.

In the early stages of cold fusion development, there is no need for high
efficiency. There is no economic justification for highly efficient
generation, because the heat from cold fusion costs nothing. It makes more
sense to concentrate on making the generators inexpensive and reliable.

Conventional nuclear fission power reactor generators are inefficient,
because the heat from fission reactions is extremely cheap. They are
designed to be reliable and to last for a long time. They trade off
efficiency to achieve this. Cold fusion generators will also be designed to
make this trade-off.

Eventually, after cold fusion is established, there will be market niches
that demand somewhat more efficient mechanical conversion, such as
aerospace engines and other mobile applications. This will probably not be
needed for automobiles, ships or railroad locomotives. Conventional
automobiles have only 20% efficient engines, this can probably be achieved
with conventional steam turbine or Stirling engines.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES

[David Roberson]

This sounds too good to be true.  I once discussed on vortex a the concept of 
heat radiation emitted from a hot object as being a method of extracting energy 
from that hot object by using the cold reaches of space as the second heat sink.

The radiation could be harvested by photo cells and turned into electricity.  I 
could see no reason why that would not work provided there is enough heat being 
harvested to make the scheme worthwhile at modest temperatures.  Certainly, if 
the temperature is sufficient to result in the emission of light, this is done 
everyday with solar cells using sun light.

These guys appear to suggest that there is a mechanical version of this concept 
that they are utilizing.  It is not entirely clear to me why one technique 
works while the other cannot unless the self conversion of heat into radiation 
is the key.   The laws of thermodynamics appear to prevent the direct 
conversion of heat into mechanical work without a well defined second heat sink 
nearby at a lower temperature.  Are these guys claiming to have found a way 
around this requirement?  I harbor doubts.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Sep 21, 2015 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP 
ENERGY ENGINES


 
Selected experimental results reveal that LENR can produce charged subatomic 
particles as a result of appropriately applied  catalysts. AIRBUS has put 
direct electrical generation capability into their patent. Rossi has hinted at 
developing a new reactor design that might produce electric power directly. The 
NANOR has demonstrated the production of direct electrical conversion as a 
theoretically realized reality.
   
  
  
Once the LENR development frenzy begins, direct electrical generation will be 
at the top of the R list. However, theAESOP device could be a short term 
bridge solution until direct electrical production is developed.  
 
 
  
  
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Mark Goldes wrote:   
   

 
   
The Fuel-Free piston engines of Aesop Energy, LLC, may be useful to those 
interested in using LENR to produce electricity.
 
At least one LENR company is developing a Stirling engine, which almost 
certainly is a high-tech design, in order to be powerful and efficient. 
 
Still, it is Carnot limited and will have an actual efficiency below its Carnot 
efficiency. It also must reject heat as a waste product. 
 
Efficiency will undoubtedly be below 50% and may be much less. AESOP Energy 
piston engines are not Carnot limited.
 
The high temperatures developed by LENR will push the materials envelope to 
state-of-the-art, high-tech science & technology.
 
High temperature Stirlings will be expensive. The Stirling & heat generator 
combination will also require waste heat exchangers to dissipate unused heat.
 
Where electric power is the goal, the use of Aesop Energy's Fuel-Free Engines 
could streamline LENR development time and ultimate product costs. 
 
The Aesop engines are low to medium tech and are likely to be less costly to 
manufacture.
 
They may be no more expensive and need less R development time and materials 
to prove. 
 
No waste heat exchangers are necessary. 
 
Getting the heat into AESOP Energy’s Fuel-Free engines at elevated input 
temperatures, will be relatively easy.
  


  
See the link to the AESOP Institute website below.for more information about 
these seemingly impossible engines. 

  


  
 
  
   

 
  
   
Mark Goldes
Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 

 


 707 861-9070

 


AESOP Institute website:  www.aesopinstitute.org

 

   
  
 

   
  
 
 

  
  
 
 

[Vo]:Brillouin ICCF19 PowerPoint YouTube video

[Jed Rothwell]

See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv9-D776J_k

This was not presented at ICCF19, but Godes said he intended to present it.

Some notes:

Minute 1:33. A slide labeled "Power out Power in." This shows a photograph
of a device sitting on a table and it shows a graph of the input and output
power from that device. The device is large, roughly 3 feet tall and 1 foot
wide. After hour 21, input is 175 W of electricity and output is 360 W of
heat. This relatively low power output from a large device makes
calorimetry difficult. The device is unwieldy. It would be easier to
measure this power level from a smaller reactor. I do not know whether it
is possible to build a smaller device.

The calorimetry is not described but Godes says it involves a flow of oil
based heat transfer fluid.

Minute 2:00. 11 tests for tritium conducted by Tom Claytor are discussed.

Minute 3 to the 13. A discussion of theory. This cannot be used to evaluate
the claims. It does not address calorimetry or any engineering issues.

Minute 13 to the end. A brief discussion of the development effort. They
have mechanical, electrical and even aerospace engineers working on this. I
do not see why a company would want to pay aerospace engineers for this R
at this stage in the development. It seems like a waste of money and a
distraction. They have a fundraiser and CFO and "we are actually starting
to talk to some companies about development contracts."

- Jed