RE: [Vo]:Is this true?

[Russ George]

Perhaps that is evidence that those making the threats were satisfied with them 
being cast out of Zion, surely a fate worse than death ;)

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 6:54 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

 

Russ George  > wrote:

 

There is no reason to think that ‘threats’ to Pons would be alleviated by 
moving to France, that’s just plain absurd.

 

The threats were alleviated! No one bothered them in France.

 

- Jed

 

Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

[Jed Rothwell]

Russ George  wrote:

>
> There is no reason to think that ‘threats’ to Pons would be alleviated by
> moving to France, that’s just plain absurd.
>

The threats *were* alleviated! No one bothered them in France.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Is this true?

[Russ George]

I grew up in Utah I know of what I speak. There is no reason to think that 
‘threats’ to Pons would be alleviated by moving to France, that’s just plain 
absurd. It’s as if such threats were only due to something peculiar to Utah as 
in being separated from the land of Zion is effectively the same as being 
killed… cast out of heaven. A perfect example of cultist psychology if ever 
there was.

 

From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 5:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

 

Russ,

 

Try harder next time to be more offensive and make broader generalizations.  :) 
 You made good use of "isms" and "ists," which is good practice when you're 
being dysphemistic.

 

Jack

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:57 PM Russ George  > wrote:

A sorry sort of posting. Stan and Martin certainly left the USA for greener 
pastures. Moving to do research in the fresh air of the South of France hardly 
is fleeing into exile due to threats. The reason d’etre for their move was the 
prevailing dogmatism of ‘merican science, and it has only become ever worse 
since. Don’t neglect where they were in America, Utah of all places. There can 
be no more absurd a locale to try to do good science than being awash in a 
fundamentalist cult religious domain that claims the earth is only 10,000 years 
old, to say nothing of the American worship of vulture capitalism. 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com  
] 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 1:37 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

 

Axil Axil  > wrote:

 

I looked up Stanley Pons in the phone book and noticed he lived only a few 
blocks from me, so one day I walked over and knocked on his door. What came 
next surprised me–I saw a man who was truly afraid. He looked like his mind was 
racing and he was confused and frightened. He said he had been receiving death 
threats, and threats on the lives of his children. “I have to leave the 
country!” he said. He could not confirm it, but suspected the death threats 
were tied to oil companies.

 

I never heard the part about oil companies, but he did get death threats and he 
was freaked out.

 

- Jed

 

Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

[Jack Cole]

Russ,

Try harder next time to be more offensive and make broader generalizations.
 :)  You made good use of "isms" and "ists," which is good practice when
you're being dysphemistic.

Jack

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:57 PM Russ George  wrote:

> A sorry sort of posting. Stan and Martin certainly left the USA for
> greener pastures. Moving to do research in the fresh air of the South of
> France hardly is fleeing into exile due to threats. The reason d’etre for
> their move was the prevailing dogmatism of ‘merican science, and it has
> only become ever worse since. Don’t neglect where they were in America,
> Utah of all places. There can be no more absurd a locale to try to do good
> science than being awash in a fundamentalist cult religious domain that
> claims the earth is only 10,000 years old, to say nothing of the American
> worship of vulture capitalism.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 4, 2016 1:37 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is this true?
>
>
>
> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>
>
> I looked up Stanley Pons in the phone book and noticed he lived only a few
> blocks from me, so one day I walked over and knocked on his door. What came
> next surprised me–I saw a man who was truly afraid. He looked like his mind
> was racing and he was confused and frightened. He said he had been
> receiving death threats, and threats on the lives of his children. “I have
> to leave the country!” he said. He could not confirm it, but suspected the
> death threats were tied to oil companies.
>
>
>
> I never heard the part about oil companies, but he did get death threats
> and he was freaked out.
>
>
>
> - Jed
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

[Jed Rothwell]

Russ George  wrote:

A sorry sort of posting. Stan and Martin certainly left the USA for greener
> pastures. Moving to do research in the fresh air of the South of France
> hardly is fleeing into exile due to threats.
>

Stan Pons and his family were subjected to threats. He was frightened. He
told me that, and so did Gene Mallove. I do not know to what extent that
motivated him, but it was a factor. It is also the reason he renounced his
U.S. citizenship and took French citizenship. You don't have to do that
just to get access to a good lab in France.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Is this true?

[Russ George]

A sorry sort of posting. Stan and Martin certainly left the USA for greener 
pastures. Moving to do research in the fresh air of the South of France hardly 
is fleeing into exile due to threats. The reason d’etre for their move was the 
prevailing dogmatism of ‘merican science, and it has only become ever worse 
since. Don’t neglect where they were in America, Utah of all places. There can 
be no more absurd a locale to try to do good science than being awash in a 
fundamentalist cult religious domain that claims the earth is only 10,000 years 
old, to say nothing of the American worship of vulture capitalism. 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 1:37 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

 

Axil Axil  > wrote:

 

I looked up Stanley Pons in the phone book and noticed he lived only a few 
blocks from me, so one day I walked over and knocked on his door. What came 
next surprised me–I saw a man who was truly afraid. He looked like his mind was 
racing and he was confused and frightened. He said he had been receiving death 
threats, and threats on the lives of his children. “I have to leave the 
country!” he said. He could not confirm it, but suspected the death threats 
were tied to oil companies.

 

I never heard the part about oil companies, but he did get death threats and he 
was freaked out.

 

- Jed

 

Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:


> I looked up Stanley Pons in the phone book and noticed he lived only a few
> blocks from me, so one day I walked over and knocked on his door. What came
> next surprised me–I saw a man who was truly afraid. He looked like his mind
> was racing and he was confused and frightened. He said he had been
> receiving death threats, and threats on the lives of his children. “I have
> to leave the country!” he said. He could not confirm it, but suspected the
> death threats were tied to oil companies.
>

I never heard the part about oil companies, but he did get death threats
and he was freaked out.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=1=rja=8=0ahUKEwiapIem2vXLAhVD5xoKHQXPBH8QFggeMAA=http%3A%2F%2Ftempid.altervista.org%2FSRI.pdf=AFQjCNHGSrVCJe9dIt-onShZbvLMIpg6cA=eA09bTdq_XpreFmHMhcTpQ
>
>
Nope. If you know the authors' e-mail address, ask them to send it to me
with permission. I prefer to upload papers but I'll take slides.

I don't see their address here.

- Jed

[Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

[Axil Axil]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=1=rja=8=0ahUKEwiapIem2vXLAhVD5xoKHQXPBH8QFggeMAA=http%3A%2F%2Ftempid.altervista.org%2FSRI.pdf=AFQjCNHGSrVCJe9dIt-onShZbvLMIpg6cA=eA09bTdq_XpreFmHMhcTpQ

Somebody has makwared the original SRI link.

[Vo]:Is this true?

[Axil Axil]

*Kevin Young* 

Just an interesting tidbit to add: When Pons and Fleischmann made their
announcement, I was a 17-yr old high school student in Salt Lake City. With
a strong interest in chemistry, I followed their demise but felt that they
were being dismissed as much by envy as by real results–if it had taken
them years of effort to produce their results, why should a physics lab be
able to dismiss it in a few week’s time? I looked up Stanley Pons in the
phone book and noticed he lived only a few blocks from me, so one day I
walked over and knocked on his door. What came next surprised me–I saw a
man who was truly afraid. He looked like his mind was racing and he was
confused and frightened. He said he had been receiving death threats, and
threats on the lives of his children. “I have to leave the country!” he
said. He could not confirm it, but suspected the death threats were tied to
oil companies. He talked a bit of his research and said yes, they had
several units that had been producing excess heat, “but I have to leave!”
And he left shortly after–disappeared basically.

I have been keeping “one eye open” on LENR research ever since–my brief
encounter with Pons left me convinced they had something real. I think
Brillouin Energy Corporation will be the group to deliver something that
runs long enough and reliably enough to show the world. I don’t know how
much active suppression there has been compared to simple skepticism, but
hopefully we will soon have the paradigm shift that we have been waiting
for.

[Vo]:Kitaev Quantum Spin LIquid

[Ron Kita]

New Material:
http://phys.org/news/2016-04-state-two-dimensional-material.html

Ron Kita, Chiralex

[Vo]:Now we have almost complete set of spin locked bound states

[H Ucar]

Spinning dipole magnets can establish stable magnetic bound states. Such bound 
states require at least one magnet spinning out of its magnetic axis. In 
experiments, the base magnet (BM) is driven by a motor and spins in a fixed 
axis. The floating magnet, on the other hand have no fixed spin axis and have 
angular oscillation. When the FM obtains spin, its oscillation became complex 
and exhibits hypotrichoidal or epitrochoidal angular oscillations covering 
amplitudes up to 70 degrees. FM can also spin locks, where its spin get fixed 
to an integer ratio of BM spin. This spin locks can be obtained when it spins 
in same direction or in opposite direction of BM spin. Earlier ratios from 1/6 
to 1/2 has been obtained and now ratios of 1/1 and -1/1 are obtained, that is 
FM can have spin lock while spinning at same speed of BM in same and in 
opposite dieections. This provides a symmetry between FM and BM and open the 
possibility of two magnets having same oscillation and spin can be bo
 und having parallel or antiparallel spins respect to their magnetic moments 
under gravity free environment. The latest videos on my playlists shows the 1/1 
locked spin ratio under bound state.
Experiments show also the spin axis (time averaged vector) of FM could be 
aligned with BM spin axis or be angled up to 90 degrees depending to setups and 
to dynamic conditions.
I think these results can be useful to carry these dynamics in to models of 
particles having spin and magnetic moment. and to their interactions.
https://youtu.be/_2RCXAA3VC0

Playlist:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie 

This doesn't make any sense. If there was some kind of thrust being developed 
in the ecat, along the lines of the emdrive, then no one would ever know. If no 
one tries to measure it, they'll never see it, or suspect it.
---
Heck, Craig - didn't you hear: it also cures baldness, stops that embarrassing 
itch and pays for itself in as little as two months. Your results may vary.

Seriously, from the blogs today, it looks like that the faithful are being 
prepared for "COP-shock." Not 12 any longer, not even 6, maybe not even 2. But 
we do have this: "more than 1.5" say AR.

Actually COP=1.5 would be fantastic, if Rossi could fully document a run of 
2000 hours, with 2 GWhrs of heat out and an average rock-solid COP of 1.5.  
Over 20 years ago, Thermacore ran electrolysis cells for an 8000 hour year with 
that same COP but only at the 50 watt level. Rossi will be vindicated even with 
low COP since there will be market in a few areas.

I do not believe that this will happen, or else IH would already be onboard. 
They certainly realize COP= 1.5 amounts to a paradigm shift, even if the heat 
still cost 4 times more than natural gas.

The big problem is looming - that even with reduced expectations - the data 
will not be there to fully validate the claim, and the customer will not be 
available to freely comment on the experience.

Ron Kita wrote:
> Greetings Vortex-L,
>
> I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/
>
> Per aspera...Ad astra,
> Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA

[Vo]:LENR IS NOT ANOMALOUS. OTHER DIALOG WITH ROSSI

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-4-2016-bring-lenr-back-to-its.html

and Info too--

I also tried to say other things..

peter


Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

[Roarty, Francis X]

I suggested Mills should look for thrust also with a battery powered reactor on 
a beam balance, but my proposal is that drag would be easier to detect than 
thrust when comparing reaction time to counterbalances placed on the scale when 
the unit was running vs off.  I also wrote to Shawyer about the Naudt’s paper 
wrt relativistic hydrogen – suggesting that his microwaves and cavity geometry 
could be the same process in reverse using microwave energy to create 
relativistic regions [someone suggested the rf may set up standing waves], I 
don’t think this effect would be as concentrated as a Casimir cavity but on a 
macro scale inside a resonant cavity  the reflected paths persist, accumulating 
a slight spatial bias. IMHO the longer vacuum wavelengths said to be restricted 
inside a Casimir cavity still exist but dilate and contract such that they 
appear smaller from our perspective and there is a shallower larger reservoir 
outside the cavity where  wavelengths dilate in the opposite direction 
–stretching instead of contracting to counterbalance the cavity. This could 
explain why we have claims of both accelerated and retarded radioactive decays 
but note the accelerated decays are always much more pronounced and easily 
detected.. Although the temporal axis is equally 90 degrees displaced from 
every spatial axis I think this biased segregation between acceleration and 
retardation may allow a loop hole for unbalancing reaction forces in a closed 
system to produce thrust.
Fran
From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:00 AM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:E-Cat THrustEmDrive

Greetings Vortex-L,
I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/
Per aspera...Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

[Craig Haynie]

This doesn't make any sense. If there was some kind of thrust being 
developed in the ecat, along the lines of the emdrive, then no one would 
ever know. If no one tries to measure it, they'll never see it, or 
suspect it.


Craig

On 04/04/2016 10:00 AM, Ron Kita wrote:

Greetings Vortex-L,

I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/

Per aspera...Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA

[Vo]:E-Cat THrust....EmDrive

[Ron Kita]

Greetings Vortex-L,

I wonder if the term Ecat-Q is a mistake or something that I misssed:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/04/04/now-thrust-from-the-e-cat/

Per aspera...Ad astra,
Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA

[Vo]:subscribe

[jean guy moreau]

Provenance : Courrier pour Windows 10