[Vo]:robot dentist to replace humans.

[Axil Axil]

I'm not sure what's scarier -- a human dentist or a robot dentist. But you
can check out the video below for some shots of the robot in action.

https://youtu.be/DcKFLYPBLl8

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form ofLENR?

[Axil Axil]

Nigel -- My advise (worth what you have paid for it) is to be very careful.

Mark LeClair produced a gainful cavitation system using a pump. He produces
a ton of radiation and radiaoactive isotopes.

DogOne replicated this cavitation reactor and this is what he said:



   -

   DogOne duplicated his reaction and got a solution of radioactive waste.


   http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cavitation-radiation.html


   Quote

   Seriously guys, this is a bad idea to pursue. Does it work? I say yes.
   Should we embrace it? I say no. Your taking some electrical energy to run a
   pump and pure water and making heat and toxic water. Plus, everything that
   has come in contact with that toxic water is now contaminated. It wouldn't
   really matter to me if the COP was greater than 100, its risks outweigh its
   energy production capability. That's about it in a nutshell. We need to be
   looking somewhere else for an energy solution.

   -



On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>
>
> Nigel -- My advise (worth what you have paid for it) is to be very
> careful, even cynical - when it comes to investing in this - as there is
> ample reason to believe that this system is far from overunity.
>
>
>
> My bet is that the person who saw it running did not realize that the
> water pressure to the injectors was being provided by a separate subsystem
> – not the main engine..
>
>
>
> I would love to be wrong but it sounds like this is the same spiel that
> has been going on there for many years – but now reincorporated and
> repackaged - looking for new funding.
>
>
>
> If they had an engine which could be powered only by water, even for a few
> hours - Gates or Musk would be there with a blank check.. But Gates got
> where he is by demanding due diligence and you should too.
>
>
>
> The U of Florida may be known mostly as a football school but they do have
> a decent physics department and are only a few hours drive away.
>
>
>
> It is naïve to suggest the new company is avoiding the “establishment”
> scientists or some other lame excuse, when the real reason that no
> University expert is vouching for this is that it simply offers no gain.
>
>
>
> Jones
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Nigel Dyer 
>
>
>
> It is indeed a successor to the MIST device.  I went out and spent a
> couple of days with Richard Aho and Bill, but no I did not see a working
> stem generator.   I am however working with someone who did on a previous
> visit.  At its heart all the data/video etc that I have seen is consistent
> with water that is at high pressure being converted to steam with no
> additional energy being input at the point when the conversion takes
> place.  Water and steam enthalpy tables show that this is not possible
> without some kind of LENR like activity providing additional energy during
> the conversion process.
>
> Very little scientific investigatory work has been done, which is
> something that I am working to sort out. I am also hoping to build on the
> possible links between it and the electrospray experiment that I am also
> associated with where energy gain was seen, something that I go into in the
> notes.
>
> Nigel
>
> On 22/09/2017 22:04, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Hi Nigel,
>
>
>
> Very interesting indeed … unless this is the old MIST device… but it is
> doubtful that proton fusion is involved, even if there has been a
> breakthrough - especially without measureable radiation.
>
>
>
> Did you see any kind of radiation signature?
>
>
>
> The main problem with a similar older technology has been lack of
> measurement of all the subsystems. I am assuming that what you are working
> with is derived from the system being promoted by Richard Aho, once called
> MIST:
>
>
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/ahomist/ahomist.htm
>
>
>
> My associates visited the facility in Florida several years ago, and came
> away very disappointed since they had been promised to be shown a working
> device.
>
>
>
> Despite all the talk, there was no engine then which could actually run by
> itself on water/steam. There were many, many excuses but AFAIK it looks
> good on paper but has not been shown to actually run without another system
> supplying the very high pressure required by the injectors.
>
>
>
> Perhaps there has been a bona fide breakthrough and things have changed,
> but … $64 question … Have you actually seen it running on water/steam
> without electrical input and without another system supplying the high
> pressure water? If so, for how long?
>
>
>
> Jones
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form ofLENR?

[Jones Beene]

Nigel -- My advise (worth what you have paid for it) is to be very careful, 
even cynical - when it comes to investing in this - as there is ample reason to 
believe that this system is far from overunity.

My bet is that the person who saw it running did not realize that the water 
pressure to the injectors was being provided by a separate subsystem – not the 
main engine.

I would love to be wrong but it sounds like this is the same spiel that has 
been going on there for many years – but now reincorporated and repackaged - 
looking for new funding.

If they had an engine which could be powered only by water, even for a few 
hours - Gates or Musk would be there with a blank check. But Gates got where he 
is by demanding due diligence and you should too.

The U of Florida may be known mostly as a football school but they do have a 
decent physics department and are only a few hours drive away. 

It is naïve to suggest the new company is avoiding the “establishment” 
scientists or some other lame excuse, when the real reason that no University 
expert is vouching for this is that it simply offers no gain.

Jones


From: Nigel Dyer

It is indeed a successor to the MIST device.  I went out and spent a couple of 
days with Richard Aho and Bill, but no I did not see a working stem generator.  
 I am however working with someone who did on a previous visit.  At its heart 
all the data/video etc that I have seen is consistent with water that is at 
high pressure being converted to steam with no additional energy being input at 
the point when the conversion takes place.  Water and steam enthalpy tables 
show that this is not possible without some kind of LENR like activity 
providing additional energy during the conversion process.
Very little scientific investigatory work has been done, which is something 
that I am working to sort out. I am also hoping to build on the possible links 
between it and the electrospray experiment that I am also associated with where 
energy gain was seen, something that I go into in the notes. 
Nigel
On 22/09/2017 22:04, Jones Beene wrote:

Hi Nigel,
 
Very interesting indeed … unless this is the old MIST device… but it is 
doubtful that proton fusion is involved, even if there has been a breakthrough 
- especially without measureable radiation.
 
Did you see any kind of radiation signature?
 
The main problem with a similar older technology has been lack of measurement 
of all the subsystems. I am assuming that what you are working with is derived 
from the system being promoted by Richard Aho, once called MIST:
 
http://www.rexresearch.com/ahomist/ahomist.htm
 
My associates visited the facility in Florida several years ago, and came away 
very disappointed since they had been promised to be shown a working device. 
 
Despite all the talk, there was no engine then which could actually run by 
itself on water/steam. There were many, many excuses but AFAIK it looks good on 
paper but has not been shown to actually run without another system supplying 
the very high pressure required by the injectors.
 
Perhaps there has been a bona fide breakthrough and things have changed, but … 
$64 question … Have you actually seen it running on water/steam without 
electrical input and without another system supplying the high pressure water? 
If so, for how long?
 
Jones
 
 

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Nigel Dyer]

It is indeed a successor to the MIST device.  I went out and spent a 
couple of days with Richard Aho and Bill, but no I did not see a working 
stem generator.   I am however working with someone who did on a 
previous visit.  At its heart all the data/video etc that I have seen is 
consistent with water that is at high pressure being converted to steam 
with no additional energy being input at the point when the conversion 
takes place.  Water and steam enthalpy tables show that this is not 
possible without some kind of LENR like activity providing additional 
energy during the conversion process.


Very little scientific investigatory work has been done, which is 
something that I am working to sort out. I am also hoping to build on 
the possible links between it and the electrospray experiment that I am 
also associated with where energy gain was seen, something that I go 
into in the notes.


Nigel

On 22/09/2017 22:04, Jones Beene wrote:


Hi Nigel,

Very interesting indeed … unless this is the old MIST device… but it 
is doubtful that proton fusion is involved, even if there has been a 
breakthrough - especially without measureable radiation.


Did you see any kind of radiation signature?

The main problem with a similar older technology has been lack of 
measurement of all the subsystems. I am assuming that what you are 
working with is derived from the system being promoted by Richard Aho, 
once called MIST:


http://www.rexresearch.com/ahomist/ahomist.htm

My associates visited the facility in Florida several years ago, and 
came away very disappointed since they had been promised to be shown a 
working device.


Despite all the talk, there was no engine then which could actually 
run by itself on water/steam. There were many, many excuses but AFAIK 
it looks good on paper but has not been shown to actually run without 
another system supplying the very high pressure required by the injectors.


Perhaps there has been a bona fide breakthrough and things have 
changed, but … $64 question … Have you actually seen it running on 
water/steam without electrical input and without another system 
supplying the high pressure water? If so, for how long?


Jones

RE: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Jones Beene]

Hi Nigel,

Very interesting indeed … unless this is the old MIST device… but it is 
doubtful that proton fusion is involved, even if there has been a breakthrough 
- especially without measureable radiation.

Did you see any kind of radiation signature?

The main problem with a similar older technology has been lack of measurement 
of all the subsystems. I am assuming that what you are working with is derived 
from the system being promoted by Richard Aho, once called MIST:

http://www.rexresearch.com/ahomist/ahomist.htm

My associates visited the facility in Florida several years ago, and came away 
very disappointed since they had been promised to be shown a working device. 

Despite all the talk, there was no engine then which could actually run by 
itself on water/steam. There were many, many excuses but AFAIK it looks good on 
paper but has not been shown to actually run without another system supplying 
the very high pressure required by the injectors.

Perhaps there has been a bona fide breakthrough and things have changed, but … 
$64 question … Have you actually seen it running on water/steam without 
electrical input and without another system supplying the high pressure water? 
If so, for how long?

Jones


From: Nigel Dyer


For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems 
(http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an efficient 
steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until you start going 
through the details of what they say on the website is that there appears to be 
five times more energy in the steam they produce than the electrical energy 
they use to produce it.
I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the system 
and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does it manage to 
do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other 'excess energy' 
systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think the mechanism is as 
follows:
• As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of water that 
is full of cavitation bubbles.
• When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back through the 
water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the bubbles.
• The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate some free 
protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV, enough to overcome 
the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
• The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there is a 
cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic energy 
among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have sufficient energy 
to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short duration chain reaction.  
With others the kinetic energy they gain is transferred to the water molecule 
and consequently the water is heated up until it boils.
The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the surface, 
avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the cavitation causes 
damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes all the bubbles to 
collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time means that the energy 
from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of the water, converting it 
to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.

Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is available in 
a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have put together some more 
detailed notes.

http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf

Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[mixent]

In reply to  Nigel Dyer's message of Fri, 22 Sep 2017 19:07:58 +0100:
Hi,

There is a much simpler explanation. The collapsing bubbles *contain* a mixture
of broken water molecule pieces. Among those pieces there will be both Hydrogen
atoms and individual water molecules. The latter act as a catalyst the shrink
the Hydrogen, as do other Hydrogen atoms and O++ ions. The reaction is
essentially chemical, but of a higher order (energy wise) than other chemical
reactions. The COP is about the right order of magnitude, as is are the initial
conditions required to initiate the process. 
They are creating Hydrinos, they just don't know it.


Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[mixent]

In reply to  Nigel Dyer's message of Fri, 22 Sep 2017 19:07:58 +0100:
Hi,

There is a much simpler explanation. The collapsing bubbles conation a mixture
of broken water molecule pieces. Among those pieces there will be both Hydrogen
atoms and individual water molecules. The latter act as a catalyst the shrink
the Hydrogen, as do other Hydrogen atoms and O++ ions. The reaction is
essentially chemical, but of a higher order (energy wise) than other chemical
reactions. The COP is about the right order of magnitude, as is are the initial
conditions required to initiate the process. 
They are creating Hydrinos, they just don't know it.


>For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems 
>(http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an 
>efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious 
>until you start going through the details of what they say on the 
>website is that there appears to be five times more energy in the steam 
>they produce than the electrical energy they use to produce it.
>I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the 
>system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how 
>does it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with 
>other 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I 
>think the mechanism is as follows:
>
>  * As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
>water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
>  * When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
>through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all
>the bubbles.
>  * The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
>some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of
>10kV, enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
>  * The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
>is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as
>kinetic energy among nearby protons and electrons. Some of the
>protons have sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event
>starting a short duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic
>energy they gain is transferred to the water molecule and
>consequently the water is heated up until it boils.
>
>The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the 
>surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the 
>cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes 
>all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same 
>time means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat 
>all of the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain 
>reaction stops.
>
>Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is 
>available in a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have 
>put together some more detailed notes.
>
>http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf
>
>Nigel
>
>
>
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Axil Axil]

 *For nigh onto 28 years now and still counting, fusion as a cause of LENR
is a myth that has befuddled the thinking processes of just about all LENR
activists. Now we know that LENR can be produced using protium. Even more,
we know that proton proton fusion is virtually impossible. So LENR using
protium cannot be produced by a fusion reaction. It must be produced by
another nuclear process. We know that LENR using protium is based on some
nuclear process other than fusion because this type of LENR reaction also
produces transmuted elements.*


Proton proton fusion is close to impossible because In the core of the Sun
at 14,000,000C and extreme pressure that exists at the core of the Sun,
the...

See the following post to continue to learn the reason why fusion using
protium is impossible,

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5316-lenr-and-udh/?postID=71004#post71004


On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems (
> http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an
> efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious until
> you start going through the details of what they say on the website is that
> there appears to be five times more energy in the steam they produce than
> the electrical energy they use to produce it.
> I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the
> system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how does
> it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with other
> 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I think
> the mechanism is as follows:
>
>- As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
>water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
>- When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
>through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all the
>bubbles.
>- The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
>some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of 10kV,
>enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
>- The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
>is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as kinetic
>energy among nearby protons and electrons.  Some of the protons have
>sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event starting a short
>duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic energy they gain is
>transferred to the water molecule and consequently the water is heated up
>until it boils.
>
> The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the
> surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the
> cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes
> all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same time
> means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat all of
> the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain reaction stops.
>
> Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is
> available in a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have put
> together some more detailed notes.
>
> http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Have Cavitation Energy Systems stumbled on a novel form of LENR?

[Nigel Dyer]

For some months I have been working with Cavitation Energy Systems 
(http://cavitationenergysystems.com/) who have been developing an 
efficient steam generator based on cavitation.  What is not obvious 
until you start going through the details of what they say on the 
website is that there appears to be five times more energy in the steam 
they produce than the electrical energy they use to produce it.
I have met up with them in Florida and gone through the details of the 
system and it does appear to be as they claim.   The question is how 
does it manage to do this?  By combining knowledge of their system with 
other 'excess energy' systems that I am aware of and had dealings with I 
think the mechanism is as follows:


 * As they intended, they use a diesel injector to create a pulse of
   water that is full of cavitation bubbles.
 * When the pulse hits a nearby surface a shock wave travels back
   through the water initiating an almost synchronous  collapse of all
   the bubbles.
 * The potential differences within the collapsing bubbles accelerate
   some free protons such that they have an energy of the order of
   10kV, enough to overcome the coulomb barrier and initiate fusion.
 * The fusion energy is carried away by a virtual neutrino, and there
   is a cascade of virtual neutrinos which distribute the energy as
   kinetic energy among nearby protons and electrons. Some of the
   protons have sufficient energy to initiate a secondary fusion event
   starting a short duration chain reaction.  With others the kinetic
   energy they gain is transferred to the water molecule and
   consequently the water is heated up until it boils.

The way that the bubbles collapse directs the energy away from the 
surface, avoiding the normal problems of cavitation systems where the 
cavitation causes damage to surfaces. The way that the shock wave causes 
all the bubbles to collapse and initiate fusion at close to the same 
time means that the energy from the proton-proton fusion is able to heat 
all of the water, converting it to steam, at which point the chain 
reaction stops.


Not only do they appear to have significant energy gain but it is 
available in a highly usable form, as high temperature steam.  I have 
put together some more detailed notes.


http://thedyers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/CES_LENR.pdf

Nigel