Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

[mixent]

In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Mon, 3 Dec 2018 16:54:02 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>How do you know that gluons exist? Has one ever been isolated?

Not that I know of. However for that matter I don't really believe in light
neutrons either. :)

>
>On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:39 PM  wrote:
>
>> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 3 Dec 2018
>> 14:12:32
>> +:
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> Just a guess, but IIRC most of the mass of Neutrons comprises gluons, so
>> perhaps
>> a light neutron would just contain lower energy gluons?
>>
>> (Reminiscent of Jones' theory from years back.)
>>
>> >Robin—
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Regarding my recent comments on the stable of primary particles in the
>> standard model, I had in mind that a light “mirror neutron” would
>> necessarily contain light quarks. not the same as the primary quarks the
>> are imagined per the standard theory.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Is there another explanation for a light neutron containing quarks of the
>> standard theory’s rest mass for quarks?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Bob Cook
>> >
>> >
>> >From: mix...@bigpond.com 
>> >Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:35:15 PM
>> >To: Vortex-l
>> >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR
>> connection
>> >
>> >PS - another more mundane explanation is that in common with all beta
>> decays,
>> >occasionally (nearly) all the energy is carried away by the anti-neutrino,
>> >leaving the electron with so little that it remains combined with the
>> proton as
>> >an ordinary ground state Hydrogen atom, thus evading detection in the
>> proton
>> >beam experiments.
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >Robin van Spaandonk
>> >
>> >local asymmetry = temporary success
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> local asymmetry = temporary success
>>
>>
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

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[Harvey Norris]

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 I have shown how things have been misinterpreted in context of the  relative 
observers. In a nutshell the power input is symmetrical between sendings of 
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the sizing differences of sending and receiving implements each reception is 
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Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

[CB Sites]

Every story on dark matter simply leaves me confused and perplexed.   The
first question I would ask is what is the spin of dark matter.   Is it a
fermion or boson?  If it's a fermion, it has to interact and if it
interacts why is it nearly impossible to see the interaction.   If it's a
Boson, then it would tend to undergo condensation, and you would have a
bose star or a dark matter black hole.  That too should be easy to observe
as a gravitational lens without a source of matter to create it.   Both
have led me to conclude that dark matter is part of the concept of Emergent
Gravity (Entropic Gravity).  Emergent gravity (and emergent dark matter)
doesn't have spin but would effect matter gravitationally and be associated
with matter since it appears out of the warping of small amounts space/time
by the occupation of matter and the entropic warping of space-time from
matter.This is all from ‎Erik Verlinde's theory.   It's good stuff and
I don't understand why it's not the leading candidate for a dark matter
explanation.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:54 PM Axil Axil  wrote:

> How do you know that gluons exist? Has one ever been isolated?
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:39 PM  wrote:
>
>> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 3 Dec 2018
>> 14:12:32
>> +:
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> Just a guess, but IIRC most of the mass of Neutrons comprises gluons, so
>> perhaps
>> a light neutron would just contain lower energy gluons?
>>
>> (Reminiscent of Jones' theory from years back.)
>>
>> >Robin—
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Regarding my recent comments on the stable of primary particles in the
>> standard model, I had in mind that a light “mirror neutron” would
>> necessarily contain light quarks. not the same as the primary quarks the
>> are imagined per the standard theory.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Is there another explanation for a light neutron containing quarks of
>> the standard theory’s rest mass for quarks?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Bob Cook
>> >
>> >
>> >From: mix...@bigpond.com 
>> >Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:35:15 PM
>> >To: Vortex-l
>> >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR
>> connection
>> >
>> >PS - another more mundane explanation is that in common with all beta
>> decays,
>> >occasionally (nearly) all the energy is carried away by the
>> anti-neutrino,
>> >leaving the electron with so little that it remains combined with the
>> proton as
>> >an ordinary ground state Hydrogen atom, thus evading detection in the
>> proton
>> >beam experiments.
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >Robin van Spaandonk
>> >
>> >local asymmetry = temporary success
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> local asymmetry = temporary success
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

[Axil Axil]

How do you know that gluons exist? Has one ever been isolated?

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:39 PM  wrote:

> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 3 Dec 2018
> 14:12:32
> +:
> Hi Bob,
>
> Just a guess, but IIRC most of the mass of Neutrons comprises gluons, so
> perhaps
> a light neutron would just contain lower energy gluons?
>
> (Reminiscent of Jones' theory from years back.)
>
> >Robin—
> >
> >
> >
> >Regarding my recent comments on the stable of primary particles in the
> standard model, I had in mind that a light “mirror neutron” would
> necessarily contain light quarks. not the same as the primary quarks the
> are imagined per the standard theory.
> >
> >
> >
> >Is there another explanation for a light neutron containing quarks of the
> standard theory’s rest mass for quarks?
> >
> >
> >
> >Bob Cook
> >
> >
> >From: mix...@bigpond.com 
> >Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:35:15 PM
> >To: Vortex-l
> >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR
> connection
> >
> >PS - another more mundane explanation is that in common with all beta
> decays,
> >occasionally (nearly) all the energy is carried away by the anti-neutrino,
> >leaving the electron with so little that it remains combined with the
> proton as
> >an ordinary ground state Hydrogen atom, thus evading detection in the
> proton
> >beam experiments.
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >Robin van Spaandonk
> >
> >local asymmetry = temporary success
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:12:32
+:
Hi,

PS:
Here's a thought: what if the gluons are really just the relativistic mass of
fast moving quarks? In that case a light neutron would just have quarks that
were moving more slowly.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

[mixent]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:12:32
+:
Hi Bob,

Just a guess, but IIRC most of the mass of Neutrons comprises gluons, so perhaps
a light neutron would just contain lower energy gluons?

(Reminiscent of Jones' theory from years back.)

>Robin—
>
>
>
>Regarding my recent comments on the stable of primary particles in the 
>standard model, I had in mind that a light “mirror neutron” would necessarily 
>contain light quarks. not the same as the primary quarks the are imagined per 
>the standard theory.
>
>
>
>Is there another explanation for a light neutron containing quarks of the 
>standard theory’s rest mass for quarks?
>
>
>
>Bob Cook
>
>
>From: mix...@bigpond.com 
>Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:35:15 PM
>To: Vortex-l
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR 
>connection
>
>PS - another more mundane explanation is that in common with all beta decays,
>occasionally (nearly) all the energy is carried away by the anti-neutrino,
>leaving the electron with so little that it remains combined with the proton as
>an ordinary ground state Hydrogen atom, thus evading detection in the proton
>beam experiments.
>Regards,
>
>
>Robin van Spaandonk
>
>local asymmetry = temporary success
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

[Jones Beene]

In case the previous suggestion wrt rubidium electrolysis rang a few bells - 
going all the way back to 1994 when Bush/Eagleton published  'Evidence for 
electrolytically induced transmutation and radioactivity correlated with excess 
heat in electrolytic cells with light water rubidium salt electrolytes' and in 
which experiment they saw clear evidence of conversion of rubidium to 
strontium... which is the exact type of nuclear transmutation which is expected 
from the decay of mirror-neutrons into muons, which catalyze the beta decay of 
rubidium-87.

BUT like too many of the early breakthroughs - the findings stagnated and were 
not taken to the next level of scaleup...
See: 'Evidence for electrolytically induced transmutation and radioactivity 
correlated with excess heat in electrolytic cells with light water rubidium 
salt electrolytes'

  
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It is almost a tragedy that significant work like this was not pursued further 
in the 1990s
Jones


   
The $64 question, from the standpoint of explaining LENR in the context of dark 
matter - is this: what would be the primary mechanism for excess heat and how 
could one optimize for it (or prove the hypothesis) in a simple electrolysis 
cell ? 

The "mirror neutron," if it is shown to be dark matter (and a few top 
scientists believe that it will be), is essentially not reactive with ordinary 
matter and does not substitute for a thermal or ultra low momentum neutron, at 
least according the handful of theorists who are looking for mirror neutrons. 
Yet it does decay in about 800 seconds. This explains so-called "heat after 
death" in some cells.

However, mirror matter apparently does not produce photons on decay. The 
longest lived decay product would be the muon which are themselves relatively 
mobile and nonreactive and can scatter great distances before further decay to 
electrons. Thus excess heat is not easy to capture. This could explain why 
Holmlid sees muons and why some cells that produce mirror neutrons could work 
better than others. In general, a large mass of electrode or structural 
material would be more likely to interact with muons before they scatter. 
Several of the meltdown reports happened with large mass of palladium, nickel 
or titanium, in the case of Snoswell.

But actually, an optimum way to utilize dark matter has been alluded to before 
- engineer the decay of the mirror neutron to trigger energetic decay in a 
radioactive material which is part of the electrolyte. Rusi Taleyarkhan did 
this with sonofusion and a radioactive additive, but he did not realize the 
mechanism.  Typically a common radioactive target for muons would be 40K 
(potassium-40) which is a small (tiny) part of potassium electrolyte in many 
cells. There are better choices to use with mirror neutron decay.

Which is to say - there exists an easy way to falsify at least one way that the 
"mirror neutron hypothesis" would apply to LENR - if that is, it has been based 
solely on nuclear reactivity of the electrolyte. 

A standard  electrolysis cell using an electrolyte of potassium hydroxide could 
be the control for this proposed experiment - and tested for gamma emission 
against the identical cell using rubidium hydroxide. The later has a much 
higher percentage of radioactive isotope than does KOH, Typically cells using 
KOH will barely register gamma radiation but the rubidium isotope 87Rb should 
be hundreds of times more active than KOH for muon interaction.

This seems simple to try but it assumes that mirror neutrons are being made so 
both cells must have active electrodes to begin with producing mirror neutrons. 

Jones


 
Here is another collaboration page, looking for dark matter in the form of a 
"second type of neutron."

https://neutronoscillationgrouputk.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/neutron-mirror-neutron-oscillation/
Instead of the antineutron, they focus on mirror-matter and the mirror-neutron.
If this collaboration did not include the well-respected Oak Ridge National 
Laboratory, it is likely that the conclusions would be called Sci-Fi. Since 
ORNL has the largest neutron generator in the world, it is expected that rather 
soon, experiments will indeed characterize the mirror-neutron or else debunk 
the possibility. This is certainly Nobel Prize category research.

Of course, they did not mention LENR here, and why should they? ... so it is a 
further stretch for LENR proponents to suggest that hydrogen would be 
transformed into a mirror-neutron within a metal lattice. Nevertheless, this is 
a provocative and elegant answer to several issues.

As it turns out, the entire category of "antimatter" could be mislabeled to the 
extent that it should only apply to charged particles and 

Re: [Vo]:Strange Radiation

[Axil Axil]

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru=en=y=_t=en=UTF-8=https%3A%2F%2Fmephi.ru%2Fcontent%2Farticles%2Findex.php%3FELEMENT_ID%3D1689%26SHOWALL_1%3D1=

This is a link to a translated Russian paper that shows what is producing
the strange radiation. This plasmoid/soliton is what is the cause of the
spark induced LENR reaction.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 11:43 AM Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> I have recently been looking at "Strange Radiation" and have found a very
> good review from 10 years ago, whose title indicates that it is about LENR,
> but in fact it is mainly about strange radiation.  It is at
> http://www.second-physics.ru/reviews/LENR-ru.pdf
>
> Like many of the documents/papers, it is Russian, so I have used Google
> translate to make an English version.  It provides links to many of the
> source documents, and many of the ones I have tried seem to work, but many
> are also in Russian.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b2dLoBI87GRfBrmSwajA7aNTxNYTHGp7/view?fbclid=IwAR1StcfmbrP2s5ofK1OnXosrZzs6EpZHK0VAWywMThfcez9GdD2hKqQOsb8
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>

[Vo]:Strange Radiation

[Nigel Dyer]

I have recently been looking at "Strange Radiation" and have found a 
very good review from 10 years ago, whose title indicates that it is 
about LENR, but in fact it is mainly about strange radiation.  It is at 
http://www.second-physics.ru/reviews/LENR-ru.pdf


Like many of the documents/papers, it is Russian, so I have used Google 
translate to make an English version.  It provides links to many of the 
source documents, and many of the ones I have tried seem to work, but 
many are also in Russian.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b2dLoBI87GRfBrmSwajA7aNTxNYTHGp7/view?fbclid=IwAR1StcfmbrP2s5ofK1OnXosrZzs6EpZHK0VAWywMThfcez9GdD2hKqQOsb8

Nigel

Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

[Jones Beene]

The $64 question, from the standpoint of explaining LENR in the context of dark 
matter - is this: what would be the primary mechanism for excess heat and how 
could one optimize for it (or prove the hypothesis) in a simple electrolysis 
cell ? 

The "mirror neutron," if it is shown to be dark matter (and a few top 
scientists believe that it will be), is essentially not reactive with ordinary 
matter and does not substitute for a thermal or ultra low momentum neutron, at 
least according the handful of theorists who are looking for mirror neutrons. 
Yet it does decay in about 800 seconds. This explains so-called "heat after 
death" in some cells.

However, mirror matter apparently does not produce photons on decay. The 
longest lived decay product would be the muon which are themselves relatively 
mobile and nonreactive and can scatter great distances before further decay to 
electrons. Thus excess heat is not easy to capture. This could explain why 
Holmlid sees muons and why some cells that produce mirror neutrons could work 
better than others. In general, a large mass of electrode or structural 
material would be more likely to interact with muons before they scatter. 
Several of the meltdown reports happened with large mass of palladium, nickel 
or titanium, in the case of Snoswell.

But actually, an optimum way to utilize dark matter has been alluded to before 
- engineer the decay of the mirror neutron to trigger energetic decay in a 
radioactive material which is part of the electrolyte. Rusi Taleyarkhan did 
this with sonofusion and a radioactive additive, but he did not realize the 
mechanism.  Typically a common radioactive target for muons would be 40K 
(potassium-40) which is a small (tiny) part of potassium electrolyte in many 
cells. There are better choices to use with mirror neutron decay.

Which is to say - there exists an easy way to falsify at least one way that the 
"mirror neutron hypothesis" would apply to LENR - if that is, it has been based 
solely on nuclear reactivity of the electrolyte. 

A standard  electrolysis cell using an electrolyte of potassium hydroxide could 
be the control for this proposed experiment - and tested for gamma emission 
against the identical cell using rubidium hydroxide. The later has a much 
higher percentage of radioactive isotope than does KOH, Typically cells using 
KOH will barely register gamma radiation but the rubidium isotope 87Rb should 
be hundreds of times more active than KOH for muon interaction.

This seems simple to try but it assumes that mirror neutrons are being made so 
both cells must have active electrodes to begin with producing mirror neutrons. 

Jones




 
Here is another collaboration page, looking for dark matter in the form of a 
"second type of neutron."

https://neutronoscillationgrouputk.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/neutron-mirror-neutron-oscillation/
Instead of the antineutron, they focus on mirror-matter and the mirror-neutron.
If this collaboration did not include the well-respected Oak Ridge National 
Laboratory, it is likely that the conclusions would be called Sci-Fi. Since 
ORNL has the largest neutron generator in the world, it is expected that rather 
soon, experiments will indeed characterize the mirror-neutron or else debunk 
the possibility. This is certainly Nobel Prize category research.

Of course, they did not mention LENR here, and why should they? ... so it is a 
further stretch for LENR proponents to suggest that hydrogen would be 
transformed into a mirror-neutron within a metal lattice. Nevertheless, this is 
a provocative and elegant answer to several issues.

As it turns out, the entire category of "antimatter" could be mislabeled to the 
extent that it should only apply to charged particles and the ability to have 
an unambiguous polarity change. There would be no neutral antimatter and the 
species formerly called an antineutron would possibly be a mirror neutron. 
  A good case (but preliminary)is being made in several physics Labs around 
the World, involving the characterization of a dark matter particle which is 
both common and related to the neutron, but sterile and slightly lower in mass. 
In fact, it appears that about 1% of any neutron beam from any neutron 
generator(planned or unplanned) will consist of this particle, which seems to 
oscillate back and forth (as with neutrino oscillation). It has been called an 
X-particle, but it could actually be antimatter, or the equally exotic "mirror 
matter". As an uncharged particle it does not normally annihilate with matter 
but when it does, only muons are seen - never gamma photons. It is more like a 
mirror image neutron than what we expect of antimatter, but it seems to consist 
of antiquarks.

   

   

RE: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin—



Regarding my recent comments on the stable of primary particles in the standard 
model, I had in mind that a light “mirror neutron” would necessarily contain 
light quarks. not the same as the primary quarks the are imagined per the 
standard theory.



Is there another explanation for a light neutron containing quarks of the 
standard theory’s rest mass for quarks?



Bob Cook


From: mix...@bigpond.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:35:15 PM
To: Vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dark Matter as a "sterile antineutron" and the LENR connection

PS - another more mundane explanation is that in common with all beta decays,
occasionally (nearly) all the energy is carried away by the anti-neutrino,
leaving the electron with so little that it remains combined with the proton as
an ordinary ground state Hydrogen atom, thus evading detection in the proton
beam experiments.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success