RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Andrew--  You noted“…. I would consider the present concepts of spin, ang 
mom, mass, and even charge to be suspect. While what you have added in your 
most recent email contributes to my thoughts, I was hoping that you might have 
something that was absolutely convincing. I'll make a couple comments there.”

I consider that the use of normal calculus math for nature’s discrete 
dimensions , particularly relativistic effects that are a good  approximation 
of nature at a space  made up of real space quanta and real angular momentum 
quanta and real time quanta (10^50 different combinations of the 5 natural 
dimensions I have suggested exist or mace dimensions exceeding 10^10 or a 
nominal sphere of 10 ^-24 cm diameter.

Jurg may have an idea about an effective diameter for the nucleon and/or its 
component sub entities.

Bob Cook







From: Andrew Meulenberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:30 AM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states

If my model of the neutrino is correct, then neutrinos have low probability of 
interacting with non-relativistic charges. If my model of quarks is correct, 
then they are composed of relativistic charges. Nevertheless. there is still 
the problem of frequency differences between neutrinos and the quark 
components, as well as the possibility that there are no accessible excited 
states of the quark components.

Andrew
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On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 AM Jürg Wyttenbach 
mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>> wrote:
We very well know from experiments that the interaction of neutrinos with dense 
mass is close to zero. If you now postulate the opposite you have also to show 
why the experiments are wrong.

On the other side it is obvious why the standard model fails to describe the 
neutrino, because it still assumes that gravitational mass is different from EM 
mass, what is blatantly wrong.


Jürg



Am 07.08.19 um 05:09 schrieb Andrew Meulenberg:
Dear Bob C.

I can picture the neutrino as being involved in the interaction between 
electron and nucleus. However, my picture is definitely non-standard. At the 
short distance of deep-orbits from the nucleus, the neutrino (considered to be 
similar to photons) would be in the "longitudinal photon" mode. I view the 
neutrino mass as oscillating (probably averaging to zero) and therefore not 
subject to accurate measure. This oscillation (if time dilated) could explain 
the GSI time anomaly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#GSI_anomaly).

With all of the contradictions and problems with present neutrino models, I 
would consider alternative models to be nearly as valid as "accepted" models. I 
would consider the present concepts of spin, ang mom, mass, and even charge to 
be suspect. While what you have added in your most recent email contributes to 
my thoughts, I was hoping that you might have something that was absolutely 
convincing. I'll make a couple comments there.

Andrew
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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 6:22 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Andrew—

Neutrinos interact with matter, are considered to have mass and carry spin 
angular momentum.   In addition they are considered to consist as leptons of 
anti and regular matter which can annihilate into pure EM energy like many 
particle anti-particle pairs.

I consider, as suggested by the Wikipedia link below, neutrinos have a magnetic 
moment, or al least harbor magnetons.   It seems they are much like massless 
photons and travel when not caught up in a nucleon at c. n free space (4-D 
space and time.)  In this regard they are real particles vs virtual quarks.

Their annihilation energy release may be very small considering their small 
rest mass. But nevertheless give this up to atomic electrons as they pass thru 
their electro-magnetic field (or their unique combination of space, time, 
angular momentum and magnetic field dimensions.)

A, C. Jessup”s theory , documented in a book, AN IMPERFECT PICTURE,   addresses 
the concepts associated with some of these dimensions.  Nigel Dyer’s family 
blog includes  pertinent excerpts from this book, which is out of print as far 
as I know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino

W. Stubbs’ book on nuclear structure, P. Hatt’s  papers and Jurg Wyttenbach’s 
papers address the nucleon structure which seems to involve neutrinos.  IMHO 
the coupling is at the Planck scale and involves magnetic fields—no electric 
fields  associated with intrinsic charge.

Bob Cook

fm: Andrew Meulenberg
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 6:32 AM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states

Bob,

You have raised some important points in your answers to Robin. Can you provide 
some references to support them?

In particular, I am interested in the non-photonic transfer of angular momentum 
from the nucleus to a bound electron. I 

[Vo]:More supplemental information on Mizuno experiment

[Jed Rothwell]

I added some new info to the supplement document, including some
instructions from Mizuno to someone he sent a prepared mesh to. See:

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTsupplement.pdf

Re: [Vo]:More details about the Higgs field.

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

Axil!

You should not spread the agreed nonsense SM/CERN physicists invent to 
get their new research money


Both so called Higgs resonances (one is now under the table) are simple 
proton resonances and can be exactly calculated.
This so called Higgs particle has never been predicted by any SM model 
as its mass is completely off the shelf.


But more important: There is no gravitational mass. All mass can be 
given by EM equations and is thus EM mass. (see 
https://www.researchgate.net/project/Nuclear-and-particle-physics-20) 
Thus the Higgs mechanism is the end point (culmination/Climax) of a 
screwed up religious community, that believes in dogmas that never had 
any foundation.


J.W.




Am 08.08.19 um 01:01 schrieb Axil Axil:


The discovery of the Higgs field has added even more layers of 
complexity to our understanding of the nature in the way fundamental 
particles behave.


The mechanism that gives particles mass is a continuing transformation 
of a particle with its anti-polar opposite particle.


For example, the electron oscillates between itself and its anti-positron

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The more rapidly that these opposite particle pairs oscillate, the 
more mass that the particle archives. Hypercharge converts energy into 
mass in a fermion.


The Higgs field is a condensate of hypercharge. The more sensitive 
that the particle is when it is exposed to hypercharge, the more mass 
it will achieve. Hypercharge causes the fermion to transform into its 
antiparticle more frequently.


This nature is true for all fermions including quarks.

If you wanted to examine an electron, you might just so happen to grab 
ahold of an anti-positron instead.





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