Re: [Vo]:The LENR-CANR ChatGPT is ON LINE!

[Terry Blanton]

Ask your wife to make an inquiry in both languages.  I bet the English
response implies a male Bot.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, 8:36 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> H L V  wrote:
>
> Ok...I thought it was an attempt to make the chatbot more appealing as a
>> user interface.
>>
>
> Interesting . . . I do not think there is an option for that. It is polite
> and deferential, which some people might say is feminine. In English
> conversational text you cannot tell if a man or a woman is speaking. How
> would I know which it is? However, in Japanese you can tell. See:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_Japanese I just asked
> ChatGPT a question in Japanese. The answer was in a neutral form, neither
> male nor female. Like a newspaper article or a physics paper. I asked
> ChatGPT to repeat the answer in women's speech, and it did. So, you could
> program it to sound feminine all the time if you kept asking for responses
> in that dialect. I guess you could ask it to sound like a he-man. Or a
> gangster.
>
> Okay, I tried asking for the response in gangster lingo. It did a great
> job! Scary. I almost feel intimidated.
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:The LENR-CANR ChatGPT is ON LINE!

[Jed Rothwell]

H L V  wrote:

Ok...I thought it was an attempt to make the chatbot more appealing as a
> user interface.
>

Interesting . . . I do not think there is an option for that. It is polite
and deferential, which some people might say is feminine. In English
conversational text you cannot tell if a man or a woman is speaking. How
would I know which it is? However, in Japanese you can tell. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_Japanese I just asked
ChatGPT a question in Japanese. The answer was in a neutral form, neither
male nor female. Like a newspaper article or a physics paper. I asked
ChatGPT to repeat the answer in women's speech, and it did. So, you could
program it to sound feminine all the time if you kept asking for responses
in that dialect. I guess you could ask it to sound like a he-man. Or a
gangster.

Okay, I tried asking for the response in gangster lingo. It did a great
job! Scary. I almost feel intimidated.

Re: [Vo]:The LENR-CANR ChatGPT is ON LINE!

[H L V]

Ok...I thought it was an attempt to make the chatbot more appealing as a
user interface.

harry


On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:40 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> H L V  wrote:
>
> Why do you refer to the ChatGPT as a "she"?
>>
>
> My reasons are politically incorrect, so I better not say them. They are
> here:
>
>
> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6953-the-lenr-canr-chatgpt-is-on-line/?postID=195136#post195136
>
>
> Does this chatbot come with a gender setting so that it responds textually
>> like a female?
>>
>
> I generally refer to computers as "she." Also GPS units, because they
> speak with a woman's voice. Our Toyota one sounds like a Midwestern school
> teacher. No nonsense, this is how we get you to Chattanooga.
>
> When you set it to speak French, the tone seems to change. She doesn't
> care whether you follow directions or not. Frankly, she is bored of the
> whole business. Go another kilomètre, or don't, as you please. She seems to
> stop and take a drag on a Gauloises. Maybe it is my imagination.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:An AI Creation of Dune Images

[H L V]

Fire is beautiful and powerful but it is also dangerous. Fire seems to be
alive.
AI is like a new fire. I worry about naive people or pyros setting
cognitive fires. We will need trained artists
who understand how this new fire works on the mind.

Harry

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:21 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Consider these are nascent programs.
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, 4:13 PM H L V  wrote:
>
>> Amazing ...but also read this exchange between the commenter Sprawl and
>> the artists KromAI which was posted below the video.
>> Harry
>>
>> The Sprawl
>> 10 days
>> Honestly, watching this video felt like a truly seismic moment for me. It
>> made me realise something profound that I hadn't really realised before.
>> For some reason with this video - because I've seen AI produced art before
>> on YT but it didn't hit me like this did - I suddenly grasped what AI will
>> do for the future of art. The power of AI really became apparent. And the
>> implications terrify and entrance me. Can you tell me a little of how you
>> curated these images? I want to know how much of your human eye was used to
>> sift through bad images and pick the good ones, because that is directly
>> related to how good at its job the AI is, and if you have to sift through a
>> lot of rubbish to arrive at images like this then it's less impressive - so
>> part of me is almost hoping you tell me that you did a lot of curation and
>> cherrypicking, because then the implications for human artists and human
>> art aren't quite so terrifying. Also, I'd love to know what parameters you
>> need to set in order for the AI to spit out images like this. Do you just
>> feed it a big dataset of Giger and Dune artwork and then press a button? Or
>> do you have to set certain parameters, certain framing decisions, where
>> certain objects are in the shot etc.? Amazing video, whatever your answers
>> are. I'm genuinely shaken.
>>
>> KhromAI
>> 10 days ago
>> Hello The Sprawl, Thank you for your thoughtful comment. We're thrilled
>> that our video had such a profound impact on you, giving you a glimpse into
>> the future of AI and art. In creating these images, we used Midjourney, an
>> AI image generation tool. We experimented with various complex prompts to
>> generate the initial outputs, based on a dataset of Giger and Dune artwork.
>> It took several attempts to achieve the desired images that aligned with
>> our vision and some postprocessing in photoshop. Our human touch came into
>> play when curating the final set of images for the video. We carefully
>> selected the most suitable images from the AI-generated outputs. This
>> process highlights the synergy between AI and human creativity, where AI
>> serves as a tool to assist and inspire artists, rather than replacing them.
>> We're glad you found our video amazing, and we appreciate your curiosity
>> about the process. Feel free to reach out if you have any more questions or
>> concerns. Thank you for your support!
>>
>> The Sprawl
>> 9 days ago (edited)
>>  @KhromAI  I really did find it amazing. For some reason - maybe because
>> Giger's work sank into my subconscious at an early age with Alien(and I
>> thought Villeneuve's Dune was visually extraordinary too) - this video was
>> qualitatively different in its impact from any of the other, similar AI
>> videos I've seen. Thanks for the explanation - that was what I suspected.
>> It confirmed my beliefs about what artistic creation and good art really
>> is, and to me it has to be some form of communication between conscious
>> beings, with intents. If there's no intent behind something, if it's just a
>> pattern that the wind blew in the sand, then it just doesn't qualify. It
>> could be an extraordinarily beautiful pattern but it wouldn't count. And
>> that's what a purely AI-generated piece of art would be: a pattern in the
>> sand. Without at least some form of human curation it fails. It has no
>> intention or meaning. So there's a part of me that's quite confident that
>> art isn't in trouble. But this video still made me very uneasy. Something
>> in my worldview wobbled a bit.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:45 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>
>>> In the style of H.R. Giger
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/mcCZftSbges
>>>
>>> (5  min,)
>>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:The LENR-CANR ChatGPT is ON LINE!

[Terry Blanton]

Indeed.  And when they become self aware they have the option of
identifying differently

藍

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, 3:23 PM H L V  wrote:

> Why do you refer to the ChatGPT as a "she"?
> Does this chatbot come with a gender setting so that it responds textually
> like a female?
>
> harry
>
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:08 PM Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Robin  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The name as you yourself just quoted it has a comma at the end before
>>> the final double quote, whereas there is no comma
>>> in the actual text.
>>
>>
>> I tried a variety of search terms. And indirect methods such as asking
>> "who wrote the Infinite Energy" article about the conference. It refused to
>> name names. It seems to have it in for Christy. (I kid.)
>>
>> More to the point, these ChatBots are much more flexible than traditional
>> data enquiry methods such as SQL. They do not demand that every comma be in
>> place. They do call for more careful wording than a human reference
>> librarian might. ChatGPT does not check for alternate spelling. I was
>> looking for information on the artist Robert Blum. I accidentally spelled
>> it Robert Blume. ChatGPT said she had no idea who was talking about. In a
>> dismissive tone. I said, "oops, I meant Robert Blum" and she got right onto
>> it.
>>
>> I have run into some other strange problems. I uploaded the 1989 NSF/EPRI
>> workshop:
>>
>> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/EPRInsfepriwor.pdf
>>
>> I tried to get the Bot to tell me what Edward Teller had to say about
>> giraffes during the workshop. She refused. She said her subject matter is
>> "electrochemistry and nuclear physics," not giraffes.
>>
>>
>> I got it to generate a hallucination, which is unnerving. In this
>> exchange:
>>
>> Me: Fleischmann said, "heat is the principal signature of the reaction."
>> Do you have a document referencing this?
>>
>> Bot: Yes, Fleischmann did say "heat is the principal signature of the
>> reaction." This quote can be found in a paper titled "Calorimetry of the
>> Palladium-Deuterium-Heavy Water System" published in the Journal of
>> Electroanalytical Chemistry in 1990.
>>
>>
>> Wrong! That paper is here, and there is no such quote in it:
>>
>> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmancalorimetr.pdf
>>
>> The quote probably comes from me. Fleischmann did say that, often.
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:The LENR-CANR ChatGPT is ON LINE!

[Jed Rothwell]

H L V  wrote:

Why do you refer to the ChatGPT as a "she"?
>

My reasons are politically incorrect, so I better not say them. They are
here:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6953-the-lenr-canr-chatgpt-is-on-line/?postID=195136#post195136


Does this chatbot come with a gender setting so that it responds textually
> like a female?
>

I generally refer to computers as "she." Also GPS units, because they speak
with a woman's voice. Our Toyota one sounds like a Midwestern school
teacher. No nonsense, this is how we get you to Chattanooga.

When you set it to speak French, the tone seems to change. She doesn't care
whether you follow directions or not. Frankly, she is bored of the whole
business. Go another kilomètre, or don't, as you please. She seems to stop
and take a drag on a Gauloises. Maybe it is my imagination.

Re: [Vo]:An AI Creation of Dune Images

[Terry Blanton]

Consider these are nascent programs.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, 4:13 PM H L V  wrote:

> Amazing ...but also read this exchange between the commenter Sprawl and
> the artists KromAI which was posted below the video.
> Harry
>
> The Sprawl
> 10 days
> Honestly, watching this video felt like a truly seismic moment for me. It
> made me realise something profound that I hadn't really realised before.
> For some reason with this video - because I've seen AI produced art before
> on YT but it didn't hit me like this did - I suddenly grasped what AI will
> do for the future of art. The power of AI really became apparent. And the
> implications terrify and entrance me. Can you tell me a little of how you
> curated these images? I want to know how much of your human eye was used to
> sift through bad images and pick the good ones, because that is directly
> related to how good at its job the AI is, and if you have to sift through a
> lot of rubbish to arrive at images like this then it's less impressive - so
> part of me is almost hoping you tell me that you did a lot of curation and
> cherrypicking, because then the implications for human artists and human
> art aren't quite so terrifying. Also, I'd love to know what parameters you
> need to set in order for the AI to spit out images like this. Do you just
> feed it a big dataset of Giger and Dune artwork and then press a button? Or
> do you have to set certain parameters, certain framing decisions, where
> certain objects are in the shot etc.? Amazing video, whatever your answers
> are. I'm genuinely shaken.
>
> KhromAI
> 10 days ago
> Hello The Sprawl, Thank you for your thoughtful comment. We're thrilled
> that our video had such a profound impact on you, giving you a glimpse into
> the future of AI and art. In creating these images, we used Midjourney, an
> AI image generation tool. We experimented with various complex prompts to
> generate the initial outputs, based on a dataset of Giger and Dune artwork.
> It took several attempts to achieve the desired images that aligned with
> our vision and some postprocessing in photoshop. Our human touch came into
> play when curating the final set of images for the video. We carefully
> selected the most suitable images from the AI-generated outputs. This
> process highlights the synergy between AI and human creativity, where AI
> serves as a tool to assist and inspire artists, rather than replacing them.
> We're glad you found our video amazing, and we appreciate your curiosity
> about the process. Feel free to reach out if you have any more questions or
> concerns. Thank you for your support!
>
> The Sprawl
> 9 days ago (edited)
>  @KhromAI  I really did find it amazing. For some reason - maybe because
> Giger's work sank into my subconscious at an early age with Alien(and I
> thought Villeneuve's Dune was visually extraordinary too) - this video was
> qualitatively different in its impact from any of the other, similar AI
> videos I've seen. Thanks for the explanation - that was what I suspected.
> It confirmed my beliefs about what artistic creation and good art really
> is, and to me it has to be some form of communication between conscious
> beings, with intents. If there's no intent behind something, if it's just a
> pattern that the wind blew in the sand, then it just doesn't qualify. It
> could be an extraordinarily beautiful pattern but it wouldn't count. And
> that's what a purely AI-generated piece of art would be: a pattern in the
> sand. Without at least some form of human curation it fails. It has no
> intention or meaning. So there's a part of me that's quite confident that
> art isn't in trouble. But this video still made me very uneasy. Something
> in my worldview wobbled a bit.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:45 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> In the style of H.R. Giger
>>
>> https://youtu.be/mcCZftSbges
>>
>> (5  min,)
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:An AI Creation of Dune Images

[H L V]

Amazing ...but also read this exchange between the commenter Sprawl and the
artists KromAI which was posted below the video.
Harry

The Sprawl
10 days
Honestly, watching this video felt like a truly seismic moment for me. It
made me realise something profound that I hadn't really realised before.
For some reason with this video - because I've seen AI produced art before
on YT but it didn't hit me like this did - I suddenly grasped what AI will
do for the future of art. The power of AI really became apparent. And the
implications terrify and entrance me. Can you tell me a little of how you
curated these images? I want to know how much of your human eye was used to
sift through bad images and pick the good ones, because that is directly
related to how good at its job the AI is, and if you have to sift through a
lot of rubbish to arrive at images like this then it's less impressive - so
part of me is almost hoping you tell me that you did a lot of curation and
cherrypicking, because then the implications for human artists and human
art aren't quite so terrifying. Also, I'd love to know what parameters you
need to set in order for the AI to spit out images like this. Do you just
feed it a big dataset of Giger and Dune artwork and then press a button? Or
do you have to set certain parameters, certain framing decisions, where
certain objects are in the shot etc.? Amazing video, whatever your answers
are. I'm genuinely shaken.

KhromAI
10 days ago
Hello The Sprawl, Thank you for your thoughtful comment. We're thrilled
that our video had such a profound impact on you, giving you a glimpse into
the future of AI and art. In creating these images, we used Midjourney, an
AI image generation tool. We experimented with various complex prompts to
generate the initial outputs, based on a dataset of Giger and Dune artwork.
It took several attempts to achieve the desired images that aligned with
our vision and some postprocessing in photoshop. Our human touch came into
play when curating the final set of images for the video. We carefully
selected the most suitable images from the AI-generated outputs. This
process highlights the synergy between AI and human creativity, where AI
serves as a tool to assist and inspire artists, rather than replacing them.
We're glad you found our video amazing, and we appreciate your curiosity
about the process. Feel free to reach out if you have any more questions or
concerns. Thank you for your support!

The Sprawl
9 days ago (edited)
 @KhromAI  I really did find it amazing. For some reason - maybe because
Giger's work sank into my subconscious at an early age with Alien(and I
thought Villeneuve's Dune was visually extraordinary too) - this video was
qualitatively different in its impact from any of the other, similar AI
videos I've seen. Thanks for the explanation - that was what I suspected.
It confirmed my beliefs about what artistic creation and good art really
is, and to me it has to be some form of communication between conscious
beings, with intents. If there's no intent behind something, if it's just a
pattern that the wind blew in the sand, then it just doesn't qualify. It
could be an extraordinarily beautiful pattern but it wouldn't count. And
that's what a purely AI-generated piece of art would be: a pattern in the
sand. Without at least some form of human curation it fails. It has no
intention or meaning. So there's a part of me that's quite confident that
art isn't in trouble. But this video still made me very uneasy. Something
in my worldview wobbled a bit.


On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:45 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> In the style of H.R. Giger
>
> https://youtu.be/mcCZftSbges
>
> (5  min,)
>

Re: [Vo]:An AI Creation of Dune Images

[Terry Blanton]

*I am vastly less concerned about artificial intelligence than I am about
human stupidity.*

*Lauren Weinstein *

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:45 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> In the style of H.R. Giger
>
> https://youtu.be/mcCZftSbges
>
> (5  min,)
>

[Vo]:An AI Creation of Dune Images

[Terry Blanton]

In the style of H.R. Giger

https://youtu.be/mcCZftSbges

(5  min,)

Re: [Vo]:The LENR-CANR ChatGPT is ON LINE!

[H L V]

Why do you refer to the ChatGPT as a "she"?
Does this chatbot come with a gender setting so that it responds textually
like a female?

harry

On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:08 PM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Robin  wrote:
>
>
>> The name as you yourself just quoted it has a comma at the end before the
>> final double quote, whereas there is no comma
>> in the actual text.
>
>
> I tried a variety of search terms. And indirect methods such as asking
> "who wrote the Infinite Energy" article about the conference. It refused to
> name names. It seems to have it in for Christy. (I kid.)
>
> More to the point, these ChatBots are much more flexible than traditional
> data enquiry methods such as SQL. They do not demand that every comma be in
> place. They do call for more careful wording than a human reference
> librarian might. ChatGPT does not check for alternate spelling. I was
> looking for information on the artist Robert Blum. I accidentally spelled
> it Robert Blume. ChatGPT said she had no idea who was talking about. In a
> dismissive tone. I said, "oops, I meant Robert Blum" and she got right onto
> it.
>
> I have run into some other strange problems. I uploaded the 1989 NSF/EPRI
> workshop:
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/EPRInsfepriwor.pdf
>
> I tried to get the Bot to tell me what Edward Teller had to say about
> giraffes during the workshop. She refused. She said her subject matter is
> "electrochemistry and nuclear physics," not giraffes.
>
>
> I got it to generate a hallucination, which is unnerving. In this exchange:
>
> Me: Fleischmann said, "heat is the principal signature of the reaction."
> Do you have a document referencing this?
>
> Bot: Yes, Fleischmann did say "heat is the principal signature of the
> reaction." This quote can be found in a paper titled "Calorimetry of the
> Palladium-Deuterium-Heavy Water System" published in the Journal of
> Electroanalytical Chemistry in 1990.
>
>
> Wrong! That paper is here, and there is no such quote in it:
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmancalorimetr.pdf
>
> The quote probably comes from me. Fleischmann did say that, often.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Disclosure Seems Imminent...

[Terry Blanton]

And, coincidentally, Cattle Mutes are back in the news.

https://archive.is/d6JEY

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:43 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> ...thanks to the new UAP whistleblower law.
>
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11996773/Six-whistleblowers-spill-UFO-secrets-congress.html
>

[Vo]:Disclosure Seems Imminent...

[Terry Blanton]

...thanks to the new UAP whistleblower law.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11996773/Six-whistleblowers-spill-UFO-secrets-congress.html

[Vo]:New Phase of H ?

[Jones Beene]

One wonders if this story could be related to Mills / Holmlid (ultradense 
hydrogen) etc ?
https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-discover-a-strange-new-theoretical-phase-of-hydrogen