Re: [Vo]:EVOs, Hutchison, and ancient megalithic tech

[Jonathan Berry]

I saw a good summary on related Kozyrev mirrors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9hwXoCrEUs

In my experiments any spiral where the number of turns is in the form
of n minus a fraction of n, so 2 minus 1/2 = 1.5 turns
The next is 3 minus a 3rd (2.666 turns) and so on produces a strong effect.

On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 at 14:38, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
> Rick, my body surfing friend.  Good to hear from you.
>
> You know, I never did plant those macadamia seeds.  I have them still.
>
> I look forward to examining your supposition when I have the time.
>
> Have you read that Tibetan monks can lift heavy stones with sound?
>
> I will try to look at this tomorrow.
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 9:49 PM  wrote:
>>
>> EVOs, HUTCHISON, AND ANCIENT MEGALITHIC TECH
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all, long time. Sorry about the length of this, hope some of you will 
>> take a moment to look through it. Warning: contains significant speculation 
>> and some video links, (no affiliation to links).
>>
>>
>>
>> For some time I've been fascinated by anomalous ancient stone working 
>> techniques. The spread of information on the subject over the last couple of 
>> decades due to the internet and video, TV like Ancient Mysteries, Graham 
>> Hancock etc., has exposed the public to the fact and depth of these 
>> mysteries despite the ever-present overburden of academic resistance, grift, 
>> and woo.
>>
>>
>>
>> There's been lots of theories over the years of sound, geopolymers, aliens, 
>> etc., and more lately, some sort of electromagnetic effect. Conditions in 
>> and around rock crystals are often affected by both EM and sound, perhaps 
>> not always through just piezoelectricity. Browns gas has also been proposed 
>> as a cutting technique since the melted surface containing transmutations 
>> has been found in some samples of the vitrified cut surfaces from various 
>> ruins which are similar to BG-burned samples of the same material.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although these proposed theories do lean towards explanations for cut and 
>> finish, the big elephant in the room is still on the loose: how did they 
>> *raise* and *transport* these damn things? Another slightly smaller elephant 
>> is the almost capricious manner with which numerous large and repeated cuts 
>> were made both at quarries and in removed material - it was easy for them. 
>> That last one often doesn't become so apparent until you've been looking at 
>> this for a while and can see the larger context of the total extent and 
>> volume of this work globally, as well as within individual sites.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've had some ideas about this, and in the last few years I've actually "cut 
>> metal" and casually tried something. I got weak but interesting results, and 
>> I'd like to refine the experiment and keep careful records before discussing 
>> particulars publicly, but to the point of this post:
>>
>>
>>
>> There's a video out on YouTube now under the "Versadoco" account:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/884rjnOSnbI
>>
>>
>>
>> Some ideas that I think are new to the megalith mysteries are presented 
>> there which might seem familiar to Vortexians - Ken Shoulders' EVOs, and the 
>> softening, melting, and occasionally levitation effects described by John 
>> Hutchison.
>>
>>
>>
>> The best explanation is the one that addresses the unknown causes for *all* 
>> the features of a phenomenon, and for the moment, this one looks pretty 
>> interesting to me. I noticed long ago how dried pottery clay in rehydration 
>> will mimic features of some Hutchison effect samples where they soften, 
>> split and crumble distinctively before melting. In clay it's water molecules 
>> soaking in between the grains and ionically defeating the small bonds 
>> between them. In Hutchison's materials, is it EVOs or excess free charge 
>> content accumulated around the grains? In the stone artifacts, that could 
>> explain effects attributed by some to Brown gas since accumulated charge or 
>> EVOs are also present.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still missing is the practical method for EVO/charge generation the 
>> mysterious masons actually used, which if known, should be easily duplicable 
>> since there is an implied low-tech nature to this. The video fumbles and 
>> punts on that crucial topic, IMO. But at least there's no need for aliens or 
>> complex high tech.
>>
>>
>>
>> I speculate that powerful (i.e. LOUD and long duration) acoustics were used 
>> for charge generation (or more likely acquisition from the environment), and 
>> manipulation and concentration through cymatics, hopefully without JH's 
>> personal presence required as some have suggested. With large stones 
>> containing a gigantic internal space charge you might be able to cut and 
>> shape them with copper tools using Electrical Discharge Machining (EDM)*, 
>> then raise and transport and them using the enormous electric fields from 
>> all that trapped charge coupling (against) the ground plane. Resonate, chop, 
>> float, stack, discharge. If true, 

Re: [Vo]:EVOs, Hutchison, and ancient megalithic tech

[Terry Blanton]

Rick, my body surfing friend.  Good to hear from you.

You know, I never did plant those macadamia seeds.  I have them still.

I look forward to examining your supposition when I have the time.

Have you read that Tibetan monks can lift heavy stones with sound?

I will try to look at this tomorrow.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 9:49 PM  wrote:

> EVOs, HUTCHISON, AND ANCIENT MEGALITHIC TECH
>
>
>
> Hi all, long time. Sorry about the length of this, hope some of you will
> take a moment to look through it. Warning: contains significant speculation
> and some video links, (no affiliation to links).
>
>
>
> For some time I've been fascinated by anomalous ancient stone working
> techniques. The spread of information on the subject over the last couple
> of decades due to the internet and video, TV like Ancient Mysteries, Graham
> Hancock etc., has exposed the public to the fact and depth of these
> mysteries despite the ever-present overburden of academic resistance,
> grift, and woo.
>
>
>
> There's been lots of theories over the years of sound, geopolymers,
> aliens, etc., and more lately, some sort of electromagnetic effect.
> Conditions in and around rock crystals are often affected by both EM and
> sound, perhaps not always through just piezoelectricity. Browns gas has
> also been proposed as a cutting technique since the melted surface
> containing transmutations has been found in some samples of the vitrified
> cut surfaces from various ruins which are similar to BG-burned samples of
> the same material.
>
>
>
> Although these proposed theories do lean towards explanations for cut and
> finish, the big elephant in the room is still on the loose: how did they
> *raise* and *transport* these damn things? Another slightly smaller
> elephant is the almost capricious manner with which numerous large and
> repeated cuts were made both at quarries and in removed material - it was
> easy for them. That last one often doesn't become so apparent until you've
> been looking at this for a while and can see the larger context of the
> total extent and volume of this work globally, as well as within individual
> sites.
>
>
>
> I've had some ideas about this, and in the last few years I've actually
> "cut metal" and casually tried something. I got weak but interesting
> results, and I'd like to refine the experiment and keep careful records
> before discussing particulars publicly, but to the point of this post:
>
>
>
> There's a video out on YouTube now under the "Versadoco" account:
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/884rjnOSnbI
>
>
>
> Some ideas that I think are new to the megalith mysteries are presented
> there which might seem familiar to Vortexians - Ken Shoulders' EVOs, and
> the softening, melting, and occasionally levitation effects described by
> John Hutchison.
>
>
>
> The best explanation is the one that addresses the unknown causes for
> *all* the features of a phenomenon, and for the moment, this one looks
> pretty interesting to me. I noticed long ago how dried pottery clay in
> rehydration will mimic features of some Hutchison effect samples where they
> soften, split and crumble distinctively before melting. In clay it's water
> molecules soaking in between the grains and ionically defeating the small
> bonds between them. In Hutchison's materials, is it EVOs or excess free
> charge content accumulated around the grains? In the stone artifacts, that
> could explain effects attributed by some to Brown gas since accumulated
> charge or EVOs are also present.
>
>
>
> Still missing is the practical method for EVO/charge generation the
> mysterious masons actually used, which if known, should be easily
> duplicable since there is an implied low-tech nature to this. The video
> fumbles and punts on that crucial topic, IMO. But at least there's no need
> for aliens or complex high tech.
>
>
>
> I speculate that powerful (i.e. LOUD and long duration) acoustics were
> used for charge generation (or more likely acquisition from the
> environment), and manipulation and concentration through cymatics,
> hopefully without JH's personal presence required as some have suggested.
> With large stones containing a gigantic internal space charge you might be
> able to cut and shape them with copper tools using Electrical Discharge
> Machining (EDM)*, then raise and transport and them using the enormous
> electric fields from all that trapped charge coupling (against) the ground
> plane. Resonate, chop, float, stack, discharge. If true, big implications
> for various modern industries, obviously.
>
> *Here's a link to a practical modern example of using EDM on a pre-charged
> dielectric instead of the usual current-connected metal target material.
> Internal charging is via linear accelerator (kinetic not acoustic), but a
> simple manual bulk EDM-style technique is shown. Scroll down to the video:
> https://www.etsy.com/shop/Criticalelectron?ref=mini_mfts_name_id=1464572835
>
>
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> - Rick
>
>
>

[Vo]:EVOs, Hutchison, and ancient megalithic tech

[rick]

EVOs, HUTCHISON, AND ANCIENT MEGALITHIC TECH

 

Hi all, long time. Sorry about the length of this, hope some of you will
take a moment to look through it. Warning: contains significant speculation
and some video links, (no affiliation to links). 

 

For some time I've been fascinated by anomalous ancient stone working
techniques. The spread of information on the subject over the last couple of
decades due to the internet and video, TV like Ancient Mysteries, Graham
Hancock etc., has exposed the public to the fact and depth of these
mysteries despite the ever-present overburden of academic resistance, grift,
and woo.

 

There's been lots of theories over the years of sound, geopolymers, aliens,
etc., and more lately, some sort of electromagnetic effect. Conditions in
and around rock crystals are often affected by both EM and sound, perhaps
not always through just piezoelectricity. Browns gas has also been proposed
as a cutting technique since the melted surface containing transmutations
has been found in some samples of the vitrified cut surfaces from various
ruins which are similar to BG-burned samples of the same material. 

 

Although these proposed theories do lean towards explanations for cut and
finish, the big elephant in the room is still on the loose: how did they
*raise* and *transport* these damn things? Another slightly smaller elephant
is the almost capricious manner with which numerous large and repeated cuts
were made both at quarries and in removed material - it was easy for them.
That last one often doesn't become so apparent until you've been looking at
this for a while and can see the larger context of the total extent and
volume of this work globally, as well as within individual sites. 

 

I've had some ideas about this, and in the last few years I've actually "cut
metal" and casually tried something. I got weak but interesting results, and
I'd like to refine the experiment and keep careful records before discussing
particulars publicly, but to the point of this post:

 

There's a video out on YouTube now under the "Versadoco" account:

 

https://youtu.be/884rjnOSnbI

 

Some ideas that I think are new to the megalith mysteries are presented
there which might seem familiar to Vortexians - Ken Shoulders' EVOs, and the
softening, melting, and occasionally levitation effects described by John
Hutchison. 

 

The best explanation is the one that addresses the unknown causes for *all*
the features of a phenomenon, and for the moment, this one looks pretty
interesting to me. I noticed long ago how dried pottery clay in rehydration
will mimic features of some Hutchison effect samples where they soften,
split and crumble distinctively before melting. In clay it's water molecules
soaking in between the grains and ionically defeating the small bonds
between them. In Hutchison's materials, is it EVOs or excess free charge
content accumulated around the grains? In the stone artifacts, that could
explain effects attributed by some to Brown gas since accumulated charge or
EVOs are also present. 

 

Still missing is the practical method for EVO/charge generation the
mysterious masons actually used, which if known, should be easily duplicable
since there is an implied low-tech nature to this. The video fumbles and
punts on that crucial topic, IMO. But at least there's no need for aliens or
complex high tech.

 

I speculate that powerful (i.e. LOUD and long duration) acoustics were used
for charge generation (or more likely acquisition from the environment), and
manipulation and concentration through cymatics, hopefully without JH's
personal presence required as some have suggested. With large stones
containing a gigantic internal space charge you might be able to cut and
shape them with copper tools using Electrical Discharge Machining (EDM)*,
then raise and transport and them using the enormous electric fields from
all that trapped charge coupling (against) the ground plane. Resonate, chop,
float, stack, discharge. If true, big implications for various modern
industries, obviously.

*Here's a link to a practical modern example of using EDM on a pre-charged
dielectric instead of the usual current-connected metal target material.
Internal charging is via linear accelerator (kinetic not acoustic), but a
simple manual bulk EDM-style technique is shown. Scroll down to the video:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Criticalelectron?ref=mini_mfts_name
 _id=1464572835

 

 

Thoughts?

 

- Rick

 

Re: [Vo]:No Originality

[Terry Blanton]

Being a Class Action suit, it should prove interesting.  I don't think the
ChatGPT approach will lead to true AI as presented in Iain Banks' Culture
series.

See Wolfram's book
I think you might like this book – "What Is ChatGPT Doing ... and Why Does
It Work?" by Stephen Wolfram.

Start reading it for free: https://a.co/iphsADj

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 10:23 AM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Quoting the article:
>
> The trio [of actors] say leaked information shows that their books were
>> used to develop the so-called large language models that underpin AI
>> chatbots.
>
>
> The plaintiffs say that summaries of their work produced by OpenAI’s
>> ChatGPT prove that it was trained on their content.
>
>
> I doubt that information was "leaked." It is common knowledge. How else
> could the ChatBot summarize their work? I doubt they can win this lawsuit.
> If I, as a human, were to read their published material and then summarize
> it, no one would accuse me of plagiarism. That would be absurd.
>
> If the ChatBots produced the exact same material as Silverman and then
> claimed it is original, that would be plagiarism. I do not think a ChatBot
> would do that. I do not even think it is capable of doing that. I wish it
> could do that. I have been trying to make the LENR-CANR.org ChatBot to
> produce more-or-less verbatim summaries of papers, using the authors' own
> terminology. It cannot do that because of the way the data is tokenized. It
> does not store the exact words, and it is not capable of going back to read
> them. That is what I determined by testing it in various ways, and that is
> what the AI vendor and ChatBot itself told me.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:No Originality

[Jed Rothwell]

Quoting the article:

The trio [of actors] say leaked information shows that their books were
> used to develop the so-called large language models that underpin AI
> chatbots.


The plaintiffs say that summaries of their work produced by OpenAI’s
> ChatGPT prove that it was trained on their content.


I doubt that information was "leaked." It is common knowledge. How else
could the ChatBot summarize their work? I doubt they can win this lawsuit.
If I, as a human, were to read their published material and then summarize
it, no one would accuse me of plagiarism. That would be absurd.

If the ChatBots produced the exact same material as Silverman and then
claimed it is original, that would be plagiarism. I do not think a ChatBot
would do that. I do not even think it is capable of doing that. I wish it
could do that. I have been trying to make the LENR-CANR.org ChatBot to
produce more-or-less verbatim summaries of papers, using the authors' own
terminology. It cannot do that because of the way the data is tokenized. It
does not store the exact words, and it is not capable of going back to read
them. That is what I determined by testing it in various ways, and that is
what the AI vendor and ChatBot itself told me.

[Vo]:No Originality

[Terry Blanton]

This might slow things down

https://news.yahoo.com/sarah-silverman-sues-meta-openai-102311079.html