from:"H Veeder"

Bob, if a shrunken nuclei were possible this would invalidate the entire
standard model. That is something that the  hypothetical shrunken hydrogen
atom does not do.

In response to Dave's point I would like to suggest another possibility:
nuclear isomers can be readily made at low temperatures instead of stellar
temperatures but only when the source element undergoes some special
treatment. Likewise the release of isomer energy could be triggered by a
second special treatment. Therefore, unless the element had just received
the initial special treatment nuclear activation of the element would not
reveal any new isomers.

If "cold fusion" experiments involve a cycle of isomeric formation and
relaxation this implies that the observation of "excess" energy is an
illusion arising from only focusing on energy inputs and outputs during the
second half of the cycle,. Since the special treatment required for the
initial phase may consume as much if not more energy than the second phase,
 the "cold fusion" phenomena could never serve as a primary source of
energy. However, the phenomena would remain potentially valuable as an
extremely compact method of energy storage.

Harry


On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> OTOH, if the predominant form of Ni, for example is an excited nuclear
> isomer, then the spectrum will consist of results consistent with that
> isomer, with the experimenter believing he was beginning with material that
> was in a "ground"state simply because it is the most abundant state.  How
> could the experimenter know that there was only a small amount of material
> in the ground state unless he observed enough of the spectrum from that
> isomeric state to identify a second spectrum?
>
> There is an analog of this in the atomic sense.  According to Maly, Vavra,
> Naudts, Muelenberg, and Mills, etc, the Dirac equation (and Mills'
> equations) state that what we consider to be the atomic ground state is in
> fact an excited atomic isomer.  Mills claims it is possible to mine energy
> from the abundant ground state atoms by catalyzing them to a stable lower
> energy state - a lower energy atomic isomeric state.  Maly, Vavra, Naudts,
> and Muelenberg have identified the much lower energy (perhaps true ground
> state), but have not necessarily shown how it is possible to transition to
> these lower levels and mine the energy difference.  It must be difficult,
> in general, to transition to these lower energy atomic isomeric states, or
> the highest abundance of matter would be in these states.  I.E. the "ground
> state" as we know it may be a very deep energy well for an excited atomic
> isomeric state.
>
> The DDL revelations have opened thought that it may be possible that most
> of the matter we interact with on a daily basis may not be in its global
> minimum energy state - neither atomic minimum energy nor nuclear minimum
> energy.  In both cases a clever system could mine additional energy from
> these atoms/nuclei with no violation of physics.  It would basically be
> mining energy from the original creation of these atoms to be deposited
> somewhere else.
>
> If you take that thought to an extreme, it could well be that atoms
> themselves are simply a deep local minimum in the energy state of all of
> its constituent particles.
>
> Bob
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:55 AM, David Roberson 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting thought Bob.  It seems that this type of situation would
>> have revealed itself when the suspected isomer containing element was
>> subjected to neutron activation experimentation.  I would suspect that this
>> sort of test would have been performed frequently in the past when elements
>> were being characterized by physicists.  They should have seen a different
>> gamma ray spectrum depending upon the quantity and type of isomers present
>> within their test samples.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bob Higgins 
>> To: vortex-l 
>> Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 10:02 am
>> Subject: [Vo]: Are nuclear isomers ubiquitous?
>>
>> Recent discussion of nuclear isomers has stimulated a chain of thought
>> that clearly points to holes in my understanding of isomers.  From reading
>> in Norman Cook's book, I find that nuclear theory is in a quite primitive
>> state.  It caused me to ask myself, "How are nuclear isomers determined?",
>> "How are isomers predicted?", and "How are the ultra-stable isomers
>> formed?".
>>
>> It strikes me that nuclear isomers must comprise a local minimum in the
>> energy state of the nucleus.  This may be manifest as a lattice arrangement
>> of the nucleons having a low energy, but not the lattice arrangement having
>> the minimum energy.  When the heavy elements form in stellar and nova
>> nucleosynthesis, one would expect all of the nuclear lattice states to be
>> populated - including all of the isomeric local minima in the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nuclear Isomers (2005 article in Nature)

This supports what Bob Cook says.

http://www.wheldon.talktalk.net/kisomers/tutorial/tut4.html

quote: A "nuclear" isomer is defined as a long-lived excited nuclear state.
There is no strict definition of long-lived, but the lower limit on the
half-life is normally taken to be about 5 nanoseconds [ns] (10-9 seconds).
Although this is a somewhat arbitrary limit, such a lifetime is much longer
than a "typical" excited nuclear state which lives for a few picoseconds
[ps] (10-12 seconds). In addition, a state living longer than a few
nanoseconds can easily be separated experimentally from the "typical"
prompt states by pulsing the beam and selecting only those event that occur
away from the beam bursts.

Harry

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Bob Cook  wrote:

> Eric--
>
> I did misunderstand what I thought you were saying.
>
> I do agree with you that most people consider nuclear isomers to be
> excited energy states with a large differential energy above the ground
> state.
>
> I have always considered any excited nuclear state to be a nuclear
> isomer.  I do not know what the elevated energy nuclear state which is due
> to spin energy as established during an NMR energy addition would be
> called.  I think it fits the general definition of an excited state with a
> lifetime less than 10-9 sec., and,  thus, it is not metastable from that
> standpoint.  As you point out normal NMR states are not at a large energy
> differential, except in large magnetic fields.  The larger the field, the
> greater the excited energy is above the ground state.   I think that the
> rule is that the changes in spin angular momentum have to be prime number
> multiples of the h/2-pie quantum of angular momentum.  The energy of the
> elevated state results from the change of the nuclear spin magnetic moment
> in the ambient B magnetic field.
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
> *From:* Eric Walker 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:20 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Nuclear Isomers (2005 article in Nature)
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 7:15 AM, Bob Cook  wrote:
>
> I agree with your thought about the role of isomers in the natural
>> abundance of elements.
>
>
> I think you accidentally mistook the quote I was quoting from Harry's
> article for something I myself said. I was asking for clarification of what
> they were saying.
>
> Isomers are what makes nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) a valuable tool.
>> The idea is that a nucleus is excited to an elevated “isomeric” energy
>> state by a RESONANT radio frequency input energy in a magnetic field and
>> then decays back to its initial “ground state'’ or some other ground state
>> not the same as the original state.
>
>
> Forgive my ignorance -- when we talk about NMR, I think of polarization of
> nuclei with nonzero spin in an external field using radiowaves or
> microwaves.  When I think of an isomer, I think of a nuclear isomer, in
> which the nucleons in a nucleus are in a configuration that lies keV or MeV
> above the ground state.  I don't think radiowaves or microwaves can do
> anything to populate or depopulate these states; or am I mistaken?
>
> A question I have about the nuclear isomerism referred to in the opinion
> piece has to do with its potential utility.  It seems like it would at best
> be good as a battery, or, possibly, a bomb.
>
> Eric
>

[Vo]:The Ups and Downs of Nuclear Isomers

The Ups and Downs of Nuclear Isomers

(2005 article from Physics Today)

http://epubs.surrey.ac.uk/469/1/fulltext.pdf

Harry

[Vo]:OT: Phasors on Stun

FM's "Phasors on Stun"

This fan version might appeal to a wider audience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7EGWG1mZzQ


The
 original
version 
from 1977
:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SO8x_j-4Iw

Hold fast
Hold on
Nothing is a dream, yet in
Changing faster
It never seems to be here long
Move on
Turn 'round
Just can't seem to find it, try and
Reach out
Hold out
I cannot touch the wind
I touch you

Reach out
Hold out
Nothing here is real, try and
Searching farther
It almost seems to live until it
Moves on
Turns 'round
Just can't seem to lose it, try and
Hold fast

Hold on
I cannot ride the wind
I ride you

Hold fast
Hold on
Nothing is a dream until you
Wake up
Cry out
Now it isn't real, now you
Hold fast Nothing is a dream
Hold on Just can't lose it now
Move on Turning round and round
Wake up You cannot ride the wind
Hold fast Nothing is a dream
Hold on Just can't lose it now
Move on Turning round and round
Wake up You cannot ride the wind

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nuclear Isomers (2005 article in Nature)

2016-01-18 Thread H Veeder

The lowest-energy nuclear isomer known:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_thorium#Thorium-229m

"Gamma ray spectroscopy has indicated that 229Th has a nuclear isomer
229mTh with a remarkably low excitation energy. This would make it the
lowest-energy nuclear isomer known, and it might be possible to excite this
nuclear state using lasers with wavelengths in the vacuum ultraviolet. The
isomer might have application for high density energy storage,[10] an
accurate clock,[11] as a qubit for quantum computing, or to test the effect
of the chemical environment on nuclear decay rates.[12]
The lifetime of the isomer has been measured to be 6±1 hours. The
measurement was done by collecting recoiled 229mTh atoms in a MgFs crystal
and measuring the light emission variation over time.[13] If this isomer
were to decay it would produce a gamma ray (defined by its origin, not its
wavelength) in the ultraviolet range."


Harry

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Bob Cook  wrote:

> Eric--
>
> I did misunderstand what I thought you were saying.
>
> I do agree with you that most people consider nuclear isomers to be
> excited energy states with a large differential energy above the ground
> state.
>
> I have always considered any excited nuclear state to be a nuclear
> isomer.  I do not know what the elevated energy nuclear state which is due
> to spin energy as established during an NMR energy addition would be
> called.  I think it fits the general definition of an excited state with a
> lifetime less than 10-9 sec., and,  thus, it is not metastable from that
> standpoint.  As you point out normal NMR states are not at a large energy
> differential, except in large magnetic fields.  The larger the field, the
> greater the excited energy is above the ground state.   I think that the
> rule is that the changes in spin angular momentum have to be prime number
> multiples of the h/2-pie quantum of angular momentum.  The energy of the
> elevated state results from the change of the nuclear spin magnetic moment
> in the ambient B magnetic field.
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
> *From:* Eric Walker 
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:20 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Nuclear Isomers (2005 article in Nature)
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 7:15 AM, Bob Cook  wrote:
>
> I agree with your thought about the role of isomers in the natural
>> abundance of elements.
>
>
> I think you accidentally mistook the quote I was quoting from Harry's
> article for something I myself said. I was asking for clarification of what
> they were saying.
>
> Isomers are what makes nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) a valuable tool.
>> The idea is that a nucleus is excited to an elevated “isomeric” energy
>> state by a RESONANT radio frequency input energy in a magnetic field and
>> then decays back to its initial “ground state'’ or some other ground state
>> not the same as the original state.
>
>
> Forgive my ignorance -- when we talk about NMR, I think of polarization of
> nuclei with nonzero spin in an external field using radiowaves or
> microwaves.  When I think of an isomer, I think of a nuclear isomer, in
> which the nucleons in a nucleus are in a configuration that lies keV or MeV
> above the ground state.  I don't think radiowaves or microwaves can do
> anything to populate or depopulate these states; or am I mistaken?
>
> A question I have about the nuclear isomerism referred to in the opinion
> piece has to do with its potential utility.  It seems like it would at best
> be good as a battery, or, possibly, a bomb.
>
> Eric
>

Re: [Vo]:Nuclear Isomers (2005 article in Nature)

2016-01-16 Thread H Veeder

Another link about isomers

http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/sept25/articles9.htm

Quote:
"Recently, there has been renewed interest in the study of isomers, with
the prospects of realizing enormous amount of stored energy in nuclei
through the accelerated decay of isomer. If one has to manipulate the
isomer to deexcite on a faster time scale, then it is essential to have a
better understanding of nuclear structure of not only the isomer but also
the neighbouring excited states. In principle, low energy (eV–keV) photons
should be able to initiate an accelerated decay of isomer either by
stimulated emission to a nearby lower energy state or absorption to a
nearby higher energy state. In essence, the meta-stable state can be made
to shed its stored energy on a faster timescale, resulting in considerable
energy gain. "

Harry

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:25 PM, H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nuclear physics: Long live isomer research
>
> Excited quantum states in nature are normally extremely short-lived, and
> this certainly applies to most nuclei. But what makes the metastable
> nuclear states different? And how can we exploit them for useful
> applications?
>
> Introduction
>
> An isomer is an excited quantum-mechanical state of a nucleus, in which a
> combination of nuclear structure effects inhibits its decay and endows the
> isomeric state with a lifetime that is longer than expected (some examples
> are shown in Table 1). The strong force that binds a nucleus together and
> the exchange of the mediators of this force lead to immeasurably short
> lifetimes of the order of 10
> ^
> -24 s for most nuclear states. But known isomers in nuclei span the entire
> range of lifetimes from 10
> ^
> 15 years for 180mTa (m = metastable) — longer than the accepted age of the
> universe — to an informal rule of thumb on the lower side of approximately
> 1 ns. This inhibition to decay leads to the storage of enormous amounts of
> energy in these states (10
> ^
> 4 or 10
> ^
> 5 times more than chemical energy release). The challenge and potential
> for scientific discovery today lie in the understanding of the formation of
> nuclear isomers (through a better comprehension of nuclear structure), the
> ability to excite and de-excite isomers at will for a broad range of
> applications from isomeric bombs to a clean source of energy, and the
> exploration of nuclei with isomeric states in nuclear astrophysics to
> determine how they affect the creation of the elements in the universe, and
> how they eventually contribute to the makeup of life in our cosmos.
>
> continues...
>
> http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v1/n2/full/nphys150.html
>

[Vo]:Nuclear Isomers (2005 article in Nature)

2016-01-15 Thread H Veeder

Nuclear physics: Long live isomer research

Excited quantum states in nature are normally extremely short-lived, and
this certainly applies to most nuclei. But what makes the metastable
nuclear states different? And how can we exploit them for useful
applications?

Introduction

An isomer is an excited quantum-mechanical state of a nucleus, in which a
combination of nuclear structure effects inhibits its decay and endows the
isomeric state with a lifetime that is longer than expected (some examples
are shown in Table 1). The strong force that binds a nucleus together and
the exchange of the mediators of this force lead to immeasurably short
lifetimes of the order of 10
^
-24 s for most nuclear states. But known isomers in nuclei span the entire
range of lifetimes from 10
^
15 years for 180mTa (m = metastable) — longer than the accepted age of the
universe — to an informal rule of thumb on the lower side of approximately
1 ns. This inhibition to decay leads to the storage of enormous amounts of
energy in these states (10
^
4 or 10
^
5 times more than chemical energy release). The challenge and potential for
scientific discovery today lie in the understanding of the formation of
nuclear isomers (through a better comprehension of nuclear structure), the
ability to excite and de-excite isomers at will for a broad range of
applications from isomeric bombs to a clean source of energy, and the
exploration of nuclei with isomeric states in nuclear astrophysics to
determine how they affect the creation of the elements in the universe, and
how they eventually contribute to the makeup of life in our cosmos.

continues...

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v1/n2/full/nphys150.html

Re: [Vo]:Re: How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

2016-01-13 Thread H Veeder

Here is example of resonant system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaxw4zbULMs

Treat the concealed spring mechanism within each metronome as a model of a
nucleus. However, instead of the pendulum being driven from previously
stored energy in the spring, as happens in the video, imagine redesigning
the link between the pendulum and the spring so that the spring is wound up
as the pendulum oscillates. The pendulum oscillations would be powered from
a force pushing the platform back and forth on the cans.

Harry

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Harry--
>
> It may be possible with proper design.  It would seem to take a coherent
> system (entangled QM system) of electrons and various nuclei in which the
> electronic structure could be excited to an elevated energy state which
> would then be brought into resonance with a nucleus or several nucleus
> which would then transition to a metastable state or new nuclei will less
> stability (greater binding energy per nucleon) than the original coherent
> system of nuclei and electrons.  (Einstein's assumed equivalence of the
> various types of energy would apply here.)
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
> *From:* H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 11, 2016 10:48 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time
>
> Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons
> could be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus?
>
> Harry
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins
>> of the electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism
>> to match resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin  potential
>> energy to the phonic energy of electrons.
>>
>>
>

[Vo]:Return of incandescent light bulbs more efficient than LEDs

2016-01-11 Thread H Veeder

Return of incandescent light bulbs as MIT makes them more efficient than
LEDs


Researchers at MIT have shown that by surrounding the filament with a
special crystal structure they can bounce back the energy which is usually
lost

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12093545/Return-of-incandescent-light-bulbs-as-MIT-makes-them-more-efficient-than-LEDs.html

Harry

Re: RE:[Vo]:How Current Loops and Solenoids Curve Space-time

2016-01-11 Thread H Veeder

Could this process work in reverse, so that the energy of the electrons
could be transferred to the nucleons and stored in the nucleus?

Harry

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Bob Cook wrote:

>
>
> I have long thought that the magnetic field in a metal aligns the spins of
> the electrons as well as the nucleons and provides a coupling mechanism to
> match resonances and hence allow transfer of nuclear spin  potential energy
> to the phonic energy of electrons.
>
>

[Vo]:A new explanation of why sodium explodes in water

2016-01-07 Thread H Veeder

This story may have been posted before. The research is interesting on
three levels. 1) It showed that the standard explanation that every
chemistry student is taught is wrong. Second it showed that amateur
scientists can contribute to the advancement of science by professional
scientists. Third it provides an example of coulomb explosions which have
sometime been mentioned in the context of LENR.

High speed camera reveals why sodium explodes!
 (24;58 min)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmlAYnFF_s8

Same youtuber has also investigated a related phenomena which he thinks has
still not been adequately explained.

Invisible metal
 (5:26 min)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIGMfai_ICg



Harry

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Pluralism in Science: A Call to Action

2016-01-04 Thread H Veeder

>From off list



Dear H. Veeder,



I think the link I provide below is well suited to your Vortex thread and
is rather self-explanatory.


Perhaps you would post it there, as a reply (received privately).


http://philosophypeterkinane.com/


Regards,


Peter Kinane

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:17 PM, H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The post b
> elow
> includes
>  part A of chapter 5 from the book
>  
>
>
> Is Water H2O? Evidence, Realism and Pluralism
> 
> by 
> Hasok Chang
> , 2012. (available on amazon.com)
>
>
>
> link to complete C
> hapter 5:
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxxczzEYA5C5aHRQUTdoN3o2d3c/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> Chapter 5. Pluralism in Science
> : A Call to Action
>
>
> Part A. Can Science be Pluralistic?
> Plurality: from acceptance to celebration
> Monism and pluralism
> Why pluralism is not relativism
> Is pluralism paralyzing?
> Can we afford it all?
>
>
> Plurality
> : from acceptance to celebration
>
>
>
> I became a pluralist about science because I could not honestly
>
>
> convince myself that the phlogiston theory was simply wrong — or even
>
>
> genuinely inferior to Lavoisier’s oxygen-based chemical theory. OK,
>
>
> that is an oversimplification, but I really was pulled into a pluralist
> way of
>
>
> thinking about science by a set of historical episodes in which discarded
>
>
> past theories turned out not to be obviously absurd on a closer look.
>
>
> More positively, in the course of doing the research for this book, I
>
>
> became convinced that there was something worth preserving in
>
>
> Priestley’s phlogiston, in Ritter’s elementary water, in Dalton’s HO
>
>
> formula for water, and so on without denying the merits of the new ideas
>
>
> that came to replace them. My previous work had already prepared me
>
>
> in this direction, for example when I realized that the caloric theory of
>
>
> heat had much to recommend it, and even some merits that made it
>
>
> superior to the early kinetic theories of heat for many decades until the
>
>
> middle of the 19th century. Of course it would be unwise to make
>
>
> generalizations from a few particular studies, but they were too
>
>
> suggestive to ignore. Like an itch demanding a scratch, they made a
>
>
> persistent call for a re-examination of some fundamental assumptions
>
>
> about the nature of science that were deeply ingrained into my own
>
>
> thinking. They made me seriously call into question the common
>
>
> intuition that there can only be one right answer to a scientific
> question,
>
>
> and that once science has answered a question definitively its verdict
>
>
> was final.
>
> 
>
>

[Vo]:Pluralism in Science: A Call to Action

2015-12-23 Thread H Veeder

The post b
elow
includes
 part A of chapter 5 from the book
 


Is Water H2O? Evidence, Realism and Pluralism

by 
Hasok Chang
, 2012. (available on amazon.com)



link to complete C
hapter 5:


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxxczzEYA5C5aHRQUTdoN3o2d3c/view?usp=sharing


Chapter 5. Pluralism in Science
: A Call to Action


Part A. Can Science be Pluralistic?
Plurality: from acceptance to celebration
Monism and pluralism
Why pluralism is not relativism
Is pluralism paralyzing?
Can we afford it all?


Plurality
: from acceptance to celebration



I became a pluralist about science because I could not honestly


convince myself that the phlogiston theory was simply wrong — or even


genuinely inferior to Lavoisier’s oxygen-based chemical theory. OK,


that is an oversimplification, but I really was pulled into a pluralist way
of


thinking about science by a set of historical episodes in which discarded


past theories turned out not to be obviously absurd on a closer look.


More positively, in the course of doing the research for this book, I


became convinced that there was something worth preserving in


Priestley’s phlogiston, in Ritter’s elementary water, in Dalton’s HO


formula for water, and so on without denying the merits of the new ideas


that came to replace them. My previous work had already prepared me


in this direction, for example when I realized that the caloric theory of


heat had much to recommend it, and even some merits that made it


superior to the early kinetic theories of heat for many decades until the


middle of the 19th century. Of course it would be unwise to make


generalizations from a few particular studies, but they were too


suggestive to ignore. Like an itch demanding a scratch, they made a


persistent call for a re-examination of some fundamental assumptions


about the nature of science that were deeply ingrained into my own


thinking. They made me seriously call into question the common


intuition that there can only be one right answer to a scientific question,


and that once science has answered a question definitively its verdict


was final.


All along in earlier chapters I have made various hints at a


pluralism concerning science, indicating various ways in which it


seemed beneficial for science to maintain multiple approaches to the


same area of study. Now it is time to consolidate those hints into a


coherent and systematic statement of a philosophical position. In this


chapter I advance a case for pluralism based on general and abstract


arguments, supported by reference to as many cases as I can invoke


and also buttressed by the arguments concerning scientific realism


made in Chapter 4. As in earlier chapters, there will be three parts.


Part A motivates and states the general themes in a way that is


accessible to non-specialists; Part B contains a systematic and thorough


argument for my position; Part C addresses specific specialist or in-


depth questions that would have interrupted the flow of thought in Part A


As indicated above, I began with a grudging fascination with


plurality in science. But the longer I examined this troublesome plurality,


the more I became positively excited about it. The historical episodes


that I have presented in Chapter 2 and Chapter 3 exhibit the presence


of multiple systems that were operating simultaneously in respectable


and exciting areas of science (electrochemistry and atomic chemistry).


My re-examination of the Chemical Revolution in Chapter 1 suggests


that a field of science seemingly ruled by one dominant system of


practice may actually embody much more plurality than meets the eye,


and that it may be beneficial to increase what plurality there is.


Phlogiston-based chemistry did not in fact disappear very easily, and it


would have been beneficial to let it survive even longer than it did.


Similar reflections arising from Chapters 2 and 3 suggest that there is


nothing sacrosanct or inevitable about the notion that water is H2O.


These thoughts are not crazy, and they create a refreshing and


provocative view on how scientific work is, could be, and should be


conducted.


In the process of thinking through these cases, I began to see


general reasons for which plurality would be necessary and beneficial in


science. I will give a systematic presentation of these reasons in Part B


of this chapter, but here are some intuitive highlights with some


suggestive metaphors. The most fundamental motivation for pluralism


is humility: we are limited beings trying to understand and engage with


an external reality that seems vastly complex, apparently inexhaustible,


and ultimately unpredictable. If we are not likely to find the one perfect


system of science, it makes sense to foster multiple ones, each of which


will have its own unique strengths. If we are like the proverbial blind


people feeling the elephant, more of us should be

[Vo]:OT: Nuclear Cowboyz

2015-12-06 Thread H Veeder

So you wanna be a nuclear cowboy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwyyeh_byGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSWi5gFEhRU

Harry

Re: [Vo]: Translation of Russian paper on Ni-H experiment

2015-10-21 Thread H Veeder

Ok
Harry

On Oct 20, 2015 4:16 PM, "Bob Higgins"  wrote:

>From what I saw of their experiment, the thermocouples (k-type) measuring
the two vessels were connected in series so that the measurement that came
out on the wires was the temperature difference between the two.  This may
be more accurate than having two absolute thermocouples and subtracting to
get a small temperature difference.  I believe that the temperature of the
empty vessel was presumed to be the temperature of a thermocouple in the
"air" nearby.

T
his portion of the setup is certainly worth some clarification by the
authors.

Re: [Vo]: Translation of Russian paper on Ni-H experiment

2015-10-21 Thread H Veeder

I also think it is good idea think to think of the NAE as consisting of an
oven even if the oven is only a room at a temperature of 20 C.


Harry

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 12:22 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:

> You are making a valid point.  My bet is on the exothermic activity
> within the fueled vessel since the other one should behave like any other
> random piece of metal.  The real question is whether or not enough time was
> spent generating heat to eliminate the possible chemical reactions.  I
> suspect not.  And, careful calibration must be established to ensure that a
> real difference in temperature exists.
>
> I approve of the technique of using an oven to establish the operating
> core temperature instead of heating windings with electricity.  Both
> methods should result in the generation of core heat, but using the oven
> appears to be a significantly better way to balance the operational
> temperature between the two vessels for comparison.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com>
> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2015 11:26 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Translation of Russian paper on Ni-H experiment
>
> It seems to me that based on the given data it is possible to interpret
> the temperature difference between the empty vessel and the vessel with
> "fuel" ( their quotation marks) as resulting from either endothermic
> activity or exothermic activity in the vessel with "fuel".
>
> Harry
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This morning I translated the recent Russian paper, "The Question of
>> Excess Heat in Nickel-Hydrogen".  If you are interested, you can get a copy
>> of the English version from LENR Forum or from my Google drive at:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5Pc25a4cOM2ZzVib0JtOWtyaXc
>>
>> Bob Higgins
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]: Translation of Russian paper on Ni-H experiment

2015-10-20 Thread H Veeder

It seems to me that based on the given data it is possible to interpret the
temperature difference between the empty vessel and the vessel with "fuel"
( their quotation marks) as resulting from either endothermic activity or
exothermic activity in the vessel with "fuel".

Harry

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> This morning I translated the recent Russian paper, "The Question of
> Excess Heat in Nickel-Hydrogen".  If you are interested, you can get a copy
> of the English version from LENR Forum or from my Google drive at:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5Pc25a4cOM2ZzVib0JtOWtyaXc
>
> Bob Higgins
>

Re: [Vo]: Translation of Russian paper on Ni-H experiment

2015-10-20 Thread H Veeder

On Oct 20, 2015 1:41 PM, "Jed Rothwell" <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> H Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It seems to me that based on the given data it is possible to interpret
the temperature difference between the empty vessel and the vessel with
"fuel" ( their quotation marks) as resulting from either endothermic
activity or exothermic activity in the vessel with "fuel".
>
>
> How can you have an endothermic reaction with an empty vessel?
>

I didn't suggest that. The paper only gives the relative temperature
difference between the two vessels. We are not provided with absolute
temperature measurements of each vessel.  Are we to assume that absolute
temperature measurements were made so the fueled vessel was known to be
hotter?

Harry

[Vo]:Lateral Topic: James Hutton - father of modern geology

2015-10-18 Thread H Veeder

This
one hour video 
is
the 
first part

of a three part BBC series (2010) called Men of Rock
.

The first half is
about James Hutton and his geological observations in the second half of
the 18th century that
supported his
 idea
 th
at the
 Earth
is so old that it has
 "no vestige of a beginning,–
 
no prospect of an end."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bakeXEdlXXc

The narrotor, Iain Stewart, is a geologist and his enthusiasm for the
subject makes you want to become geologist.
In the second half of the video he talks about
 Lord Kelvin who

 did
not 
like
the idea
 
that the Earth had no beginning because that implied geological change was
powered by a perpetual heat engine. According to the laws of thermodynamics
(which Kelvin helped to formulate) the Earth had to have a beginning even
if it was much older than the creation date of 4004 BC as found in the
Bible. Kelvin assumed the Earth began as molten ball of rock and estimated
the age of Earth in terms of how long it would take the molten ball to
cool. His calculated the Earth took 20 to 40 million years to cool.


This 4 minute video describes one of Hutton's seminal discoveries of a
geological "uncomformity" at Siccar Point in Scotland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQzmfcUKSFM

[Vo]:Lateral Topic: James Hutton - father of modern geology

2015-10-18 Thread H Veeder

This
one hour video 
is
the 
first part

of a three part BBC series (2010) called Men of Rock
.

The first half is
about James Hutton and his geological observations in the second half of
the 18th century that
supported his
 idea
 th
at the
Earth
is so old that it has
 "no vestige of a beginning,–
 
no prospect of an end."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bakeXEdlXXc

The narrotor, Iain Stewart, is a geologist and his enthusiasm for the
subject makes you want to become geologist.
In the second half of the video he talks about
 Lord Kelvin who

did
not 
like
the idea
 
that the Earth had no beginning because that implied geological change was
powered by a perpetual heat engine. According to the laws of thermodynamics
(which Kelvin helped to formulate) the Earth had to have a beginning even
if it was much older than the creation date of 4004 BC as found in the
Bible. Kelvin assumed the Earth began as molten ball of rock and estimated
the age of Earth in terms of how long it would take the molten ball to
cool. His calculated the Earth took 20 to 40 million years to cool.


This is 4 minute video descriees one of Hutton's seminal discoverys of a
geological "uncomformity" at Siccar Point in Scotland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQzmfcUKSFM

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Physicist Discovers New Class of Ultra-High-Energy Molecules

2015-02-13 Thread H Veeder

Protons (H+) might screen electrons orbiting heavy nuclei and serve to
facilitate the formation MIMS in Pd and Ni lattices.

Harry

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
 Heavy noble gas cluster electron screening where most of the electrons in
 the cluster are removed from the cluster leads to high energy excimer-like
 cluster explosions in noble gas clusters. This is the source of the
 expansion of the plasma in the Papp engine and Papp's noble gas explosives.

 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:19 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Physicist Discovers New Class of Ultra-High-Energy Molecules

 A class of molecules 100 – 1,000 times more energetic than typical has
 been discovered by Dr. Young K. Bae, a physicist at Y.K. Bae
 Corporation, Advanced Space and Energy Technologies under the auspices
 of DTRA (Defense Threat Reduction Agency).

 Called Metastable Innershell Molecular State (MIMS), these
 excimer-like high-energy molecules from highly compressed materials
 are a new molecular class that can be formed by any combination of
 elements. Investigation of stellar materials under extreme pressure is
 a research and technology frontier in astrophysics, inertial nuclear
 fusion, x-ray lasers, material and biological sciences...

 http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/10/prweb12229892.htm


 Harry

[Vo]:Physicist Discovers New Class of Ultra-High-Energy Molecules

2015-02-13 Thread H Veeder

Physicist Discovers New Class of Ultra-High-Energy Molecules

A class of molecules 100 – 1,000 times more energetic than typical has
been discovered by Dr. Young K. Bae, a physicist at Y.K. Bae
Corporation, Advanced Space and Energy Technologies under the auspices
of DTRA (Defense Threat Reduction Agency).

Called Metastable Innershell Molecular State (MIMS), these
excimer-like high-energy molecules from highly compressed materials
are a new molecular class that can be formed by any combination of
elements. Investigation of stellar materials under extreme pressure is
a research and technology frontier in astrophysics, inertial nuclear
fusion, x-ray lasers, material and biological sciences...

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/10/prweb12229892.htm


Harry

[Vo]:Stanford engineers help describe key mechanism in energy and information storage

2015-02-12 Thread H Veeder

(Question - are they studying systems which are too small to produce a
measurable anomalous heat event if one were to happen? )


Stanford engineers help describe key mechanism in energy and information storage
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/september/battery-palladium-dionne-091114.html

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Explosion May Be Out of Control LENR

2015-02-11 Thread H Veeder

Dave, maybe there was no runaway until after the bang. If so, the
runaway might be triggered by a cooling effect when the interior is
suddenly exposed to the much cooler room air.

Harry

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:43 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
 That might be the ticket...no reason to cease searching.   At this point it
 is necessary for us to understand exactly what caused the explosion event.
 Does the fuel have hot spots that go into thermal runaway rapidly at some
 point?  Are there other types of fuels that are more uniform in action?  Is
 it possible to adjust the thermal design of the device so that heat is
 evenly distributed and thus prevent dangerous hot spots from forming?

 There are many engineering questions that I would like to see answered
 before I believe that a best solution to the thermal runaway condition can
 be determined.  I am still pondering why there was apparently no indication
 of extreme heat generation prior to the event.  Perhaps there was but it
 escaped detection by the instrumentation.

 So far my thoughts are that the problem was highly localized within a small
 region of the fuel.  I can imagine that a stronger structure might have
 prevented the condition, at least until some form of indication was
 obtained.  Then I wonder how much the extreme hydrogen pressure contributed
 to the initial bursting and can that be kept to a manageable level by
 something such as you suggest.  Of course it also makes sense to reduce the
 amount of fuel to a value that does not end in this manner to determine its
 activity as a function of temperature per gram.  Hot spots might be revealed
 without having to take cover. :-)

 How much fun would this be if everything went exactly as planned?   This is
 the way that real engineers demonstrate their strengths.  The MFMP team is a
 capable group and I have confidence that they are up to the task!

 Dave



 -Original Message-
 From: hohlraum hohlr...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wed, Feb 11, 2015 12:05 am
 Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Explosion May Be Out of Control LENR



 Pity we can't identify a moderator which begins consuming or absorbing H at
 1057.

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [Vo]:Titanium as hydrogen carrier in Improved experiment

2015-02-09 Thread H Veeder

Does the COP include the energy of pre-heating?
Harry
On Feb 9, 2015 1:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 That is good Jack.  Perhaps it is less intuitive but it captures the
 behavior of these types of devices very well.  If the slope enters a
 negative region then the positive thermal feedback wins the battle and the
 device heats up rapidly.  The curve also will indicate whether or not a
 second high temperature region of stable operation is present.

 Your present design would be classified as a type 1 system in my analysis
 since the slope of that curve never enters into a negative region.  Once
 you push it into a type 2 or 3 system the fireworks will begin.  That is
 where Dr. Parkhomov is operating with his latest version that is somewhat
 insulated.  It is going to take a lot of effort and good design for him to
 keep these stable.

 I modeled this curve according to the behavior of a tunnel diode.  Since
 the voltage is analogous to the temperature and the power input analogous
 to the current it makes perfect sense.  You can determine how to design
 tunnel diode oscillators or switches from that basic curve.  I see the same
 thing happening with these LENR devices.  I also realize excellent
 correlation to my previous computer models.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Feb 9, 2015 1:32 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Titanium as hydrogen carrier in Improved experiment

  I can add that chart.  That is actually the way I plot it for
 calculating excess power, but it's less intuitive in a presentation.

 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
 wrote:

 Not exactly.  The slope of the input power will become lower as the
 temperature is increased in the chart that I use.  If this slope is not
 reduced as the temperature rises then there is little positive thermal
 feedback present.  And, if the slope enters into a negative region as
 temperature rises the device will continue to heat up until it either self
 destructs or the careful geometry of the design begins to take more heat
 power away from the system than is added by the core.   The new high
 temperature safe operating region exhibits a positive slope similar to what
 is seen below the negative slope threshold temperature.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
   Sent: Mon, Feb 9, 2015 12:55 pm
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:Titanium as hydrogen carrier in Improved experiment

   Isn’t chart D giving you that ?



 *From:* David Roberson

 I would like to see the curve of input power versus temperature plotted.
 The input power needs to appear along the Y-axis and the temperature along
 the X-axis.  This type of curve tells very much about how the device will
 behave.   It can demonstrate when the COP will become large and indicate
 the potential for runaway conditions.

 Dave



  -Original Message-
 From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Feb 9, 2015 12:21 pm
 Subject: [Vo]:Titanium as hydrogen carrier in Improved experiment
   Jack Cole has made progress in his continuing effort to reach higher
 COP at lower temperature in a ceramic cell of the type used by Parkhomov
 and Rossi.

 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2015/02/09/excess-heating-alternative-hydrogen-source/
  The results are improved but still only slightly gainful –not far
 enough above the noise level to expect others to drop everything and pay
 attention, yet … but heck, look at it this way – the delta-t gain is
 improved by about 50% over the previous iteration - and at that rate of
 improvement, it will not take long. A goal of COP=1.5 is in range with
 only a few more changes.
  In fact, Jack held back on the hydrogen carrier (TiH2) due to the MFMP 
 “explosion”
 and therein is an obvious way to look for further improvement.
  The most notable feature is that gain was seen at very modest P-in
 which is due in part to thermal insulation.
  Jones
  PS – there is a paper in the LENR library by Dash et al where the
 authors state that titanium is more active for LENR than palladium.
 Therefore using TiH2 to carry hydrogen, while retaining lithium in a much 
 safer
 form is almost a no-brainer.

Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

2015-02-06 Thread H Veeder

After the explosion there is a small white spot that persists after
most of the tube ceases to glow white.
Is that lens flare or a residual hot spot in the reactor?

Harry

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
 Do you believe the sensor, or your eyes?

 -mi



 From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 10:42 AM
 To: vortex-l
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project



 The pressure release hypothesis is inconsistent with the PSI read out in
 the video, which never reaches 1.0.



 On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:39 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 wrote:

 At 2:29/2:30 into the short segment posted by Craig, it looks like the
 right-side end-plug, or whatever is sticking out that end, blows out.  And I
 use that term specifically since one also sees some hint of a pressure
 release.  Whether that release is at an appropriate level is apparently
 debatable...
 -mark iverson


 -Original Message-
 From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net]
 Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 9:25 AM
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

 Good show,

 Thanks, Craig.

 Regards,
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 svjart.orionworks.com
 zazzle.com/orionworks

 Short segment showing the explosion.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfRaDY2R_Afeature=youtu.be

 Craig

[Vo]:Will Gravitational Waves Ever Be Found?

2015-02-06 Thread H Veeder

Will Gravitational Waves Ever Be Found?

http://news.discovery.com/space/astronomy/bicep2-vs-planck-will-gravitational-waves-be-found-150206.htm

quotes

It’s official: data from the Planck satellite has revealed no signs
of gravitational wavesembedded in the cosmic microwave background, the
primordial ‘echo’ of the Big Bang that occurred nearly 14 billion
years ago.

 “The conclusion is very clear: when you combine the observing
frequencies of BICEP and Planck, all of the B-mode (polarization) in
the sky can be accounted for by dust and there’s no evidence that any
of it is gravitational waves.”


Harry

Re: [Vo]:vortex mass

2015-02-04 Thread H Veeder

This exchange got me thinking about how mass is represented
mathematically. Newton wrote his Principia and formulated his three
laws of motion before the invention of vector algebra. Bearing this in
mind, I would argue the only quantity in Newton's principia which
posseses vector-like attributes is mass. The assumption that velocity
and acceleration in Newton's principia can be treated as vectors is an
interpretation of the three laws. However, vectors cannot be
systematically applied to mass without contradiction because according
to the first law mass of the same quantity can be both moving in a
specified direction and at rest without a specified direction.
Mathematicians who were keen to apply the techniques of vector algebra
avoided this problem by designating mass as a scalar quantity, but
this too is an interpretation. The question arises is there a
mathematically sensitive way to capture mass's dual quality instead of
reducing it to a scalar quantity?

Harry

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:New type of chemical bond discovered

2015-02-01 Thread H Veeder

What I don't understand is how the reactants (before they have bonded)
can have a zero point vibration energy. Is it simply a sum of each
reactants respective quantum wave lengths?

Harry




On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Roarty, Francis X
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:
 [snip] In this scenario, the lightweight muonium atom would move rapidly
 between two heavy bromine atoms, 'like a Ping Pong ball bouncing between two
 bowling balls,' Fleming says. The oscillating atom would briefly hold the
 two bromine atoms together and reduce the overall energy, and therefore
 speed, of the reaction.”[/snip]



 I wonder if it can form between 2 molecules / lower their energy  such that
 their disassociation threshold is lower than the energy given off upon the
 nearly instantaneous re-association .. could this be our run away mechanism?
 In that it is not van der Walls force it represents another force vector
 that can oppose the isotropy based on geometry. Previously I have endorsed
 H2 as the molecule being discounted and forming an endless reversible
 reaction but your citation would suggest the hydrogen proton as the enabler
 discounting the bonds of nearby larger atoms but still a ZPE perspective
 which I continue to believe is the ultimate source of this anomaly.

 Fran



 From: H Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 4:35 PM
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:New type of chemical bond discovered



 another link


 Isotope effect produces new type of chemical bond

 http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2014/10/isotope-effect-produces-new-type-chemical-bond



 quote In the early 1980s it was proposed that in certain transition states
 consisting of a very light atom sandwiched between two heavy ones, the
 system would be stabilised not by conventional van der Waal’s forces, but by
 vibrational bonding, with the light atom shuttling between its two
 neighbours. However, despite several groups searching for such a system none
 was demonstrated and the hunt fizzled out.

 Now, Jörn Manz, of the Free University of Berlin and Shanxi University in
 China, and colleagues believe they have the theoretical and experimental
 evidence to demonstrate a stable vibrational bond.





 On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:34 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 New type of chemical bonddiscovered
 http://www.sciencealert.com/new-type-of-chemical-bond-discovered

 Move over, covalent and ionic bonds, there’s a new chemical bond in town,
 and it loves to shake things up.

 It’s taken decades to nail down, but researchers in Canada have finally
 identified a new chemical bond, which they’re calling a ‘vibrational bond’.

 This vibrational bond seems to break the law of chemistry that states if you
 increase the temperature, the rate of reaction will speed up. Back in 1989,
 a team from the University of British Columbia investigated the reactions of
 various elements to muonium (Mu) - a strange, hydrogen isotope made up of an
 antimuon and an electron. They tried chlorine and fluorine with muonium, and
 as they increased the heat, the reaction time sped up, but when they tried
 bromine (br), a brownish-red toxic and corrosive liquid, the reaction time
 sped up as the temperature decreased. The researchers, Amy Nordrum writes
 for Scientific American, were flummoxed”.

 Perhaps, thought one of the team, chemist Donald Flemming, when the bromine
 and muonium made contact, they formed a transitional structure made up of a
 lightweight atom flanked by two heavier atoms. And the structure was joined
 not byvan der Waal’s forces - as would usually be expected - but by some
 kind of temporary ‘vibrational’ bond that had been proposed several years
 earlier.

 Nordrum explains:

 In this scenario, the lightweight muonium atom would move rapidly between
 two heavy bromine atoms, 'like a Ping Pong ball bouncing between two bowling
 balls,' Fleming says. The oscillating atom would briefly hold the two
 bromine atoms together and reduce the overall energy, and therefore speed,
 of the reaction.”

 But back then, the team didn’t have the technology needed to actually see
 this reaction take place, because it lasts for just a few milliseconds. But
 now they do, and the team took their investigation to the nuclear
 accelerator at Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in England.

 With the help of theoretical chemists from the Free University of Berlin and
 Saitama University in Japan, Flemming’s team watched as the light muonium
 and heavy bromine formed a temporary bond. “The lightest isotopomer, BrMuBr,
 with Mu the muonium atom, alone exhibits vibrational bonding in accord with
 its possible observation in a recent experiment on the Mu + Br2 reaction,”
 the team reports in the journal Angewandte Chemie International Edition.
 Accordingly, BrMuBr is stabilised at the saddle point of the potential
 energy surface due to a net decrease in vibrational zero point energy that
 overcompensates

[Vo]:New type of chemical bond discovered

2015-01-30 Thread H Veeder


New type of chemical bonddiscovered
http://www.sciencealert.com/new-type-of-chemical-bond-discovered

Move over, covalent and ionic bonds, there’s a new chemical bond in town,
and it loves to shake things up.

It’s taken decades to nail down, but researchers in Canada have finally
identified a new chemical bond, which they’re calling a ‘vibrational bond’.

This vibrational bond seems to break the law of chemistry that states if
you increase the temperature, the rate of reaction will speed up. Back in
1989, a team from the University of British Columbia investigated the
reactions of various elements to muonium (Mu) - a strange, hydrogen isotope
made up of an antimuon and an electron. They tried chlorine and fluorine
with muonium, and as they increased the heat, the reaction time sped up,
but when they tried bromine (br), a brownish-red toxic and corrosive
liquid, the reaction time sped up as the temperature decreased. The
researchers, Amy Nordrum writes for Scientific American, were flummoxed”.

Perhaps, thought one of the team, chemist Donald Flemming, when the bromine
and muonium made contact, they formed a transitional structure made up of a
lightweight atom flanked by two heavier atoms. And the structure was joined
not byvan der Waal’s forces - as would usually be expected - but by some
kind of temporary ‘vibrational’ bond that had been proposed several years
earlier.

Nordrum explains:

In this scenario, the lightweight muonium atom would move rapidly between
two heavy bromine atoms, 'like a Ping Pong ball bouncing between two
bowling balls,' Fleming says. The oscillating atom would briefly hold the
two bromine atoms together and reduce the overall energy, and therefore
speed, of the reaction.”

But back then, the team didn’t have the technology needed to actually see
this reaction take place, because it lasts for just a few milliseconds. But
now they do, and the team took their investigation to the nuclear
accelerator at Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in England.

With the help of theoretical chemists from the Free University of Berlin
and Saitama University in Japan, Flemming’s team watched as the light
muonium and heavy bromine formed a temporary bond. “The lightest
isotopomer, BrMuBr, with Mu the muonium atom, alone exhibits vibrational
bonding in accord with its possible observation in a recent experiment on
the Mu + Br2 reaction,” the team reports in the journal Angewandte Chemie
International Edition. Accordingly, BrMuBr is stabilised at the saddle
point of the potential energy surface due to a net decrease in vibrational
zero point energy that overcompensates the increase in potential energy.”

In other words, the vibration in the bond decreased the total energy of the
BrMuBr structure, which means that even when the temperature was increased,
there was not enough energy to see an increase in the reaction time.


*While the team only witnessed the vibrational bond occurring in a bromine
and muonium reaction, they suspect it can also be found in interactions
between lightweight and heavy atoms, where van der Waal’s forces are
assumed to be at play.*
The work confirms that vibrational bonds - fleeting though they may be -
should be added to the list of known chemical bonds,” says Nordrum at
Scientific American.

Sorry, future high school chemistry students, here's another thing you'll
probably have to rote learn.

Source: Scientific American

---

This link has a diagram of the potential energy curve for  a vibrational
bond:



A new type of chemical bond has been confirmed – the vibrational bond
http://www.zmescience.com/science/chemistry/new-kind-chemical-vibrational-bond-0543543/



Harry

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:New type of chemical bond discovered

2015-01-30 Thread H Veeder

another link

Isotope effect produces new type of chemical bond

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2014/10/isotope-effect-produces-new-type-chemical-bond

quote In the early 1980s it was proposed that in certain transition
states consisting of a very light atom sandwiched between two heavy ones,
the system would be stabilised not by conventional van der Waal’s forces,
but by vibrational bonding, with the light atom shuttling between its two
neighbours. However, despite several groups searching for such a system
none was demonstrated and the hunt fizzled out.
Now, Jörn Manz http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/~manzwww/, of the Free
University of Berlin and Shanxi University in China, and colleagues believe
they have the theoretical and experimental evidence to demonstrate a stable
vibrational bond.


On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:34 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 New type of chemical bonddiscovered
 http://www.sciencealert.com/new-type-of-chemical-bond-discovered

 Move over, covalent and ionic bonds, there’s a new chemical bond in town,
 and it loves to shake things up.

 It’s taken decades to nail down, but researchers in Canada have finally
 identified a new chemical bond, which they’re calling a ‘vibrational bond’.

 This vibrational bond seems to break the law of chemistry that states if
 you increase the temperature, the rate of reaction will speed up. Back in
 1989, a team from the University of British Columbia investigated the
 reactions of various elements to muonium (Mu) - a strange, hydrogen isotope
 made up of an antimuon and an electron. They tried chlorine and fluorine
 with muonium, and as they increased the heat, the reaction time sped up,
 but when they tried bromine (br), a brownish-red toxic and corrosive
 liquid, the reaction time sped up as the temperature decreased. The
 researchers, Amy Nordrum writes for Scientific American, were flummoxed”.

 Perhaps, thought one of the team, chemist Donald Flemming, when the
 bromine and muonium made contact, they formed a transitional structure made
 up of a lightweight atom flanked by two heavier atoms. And the structure
 was joined not byvan der Waal’s forces - as would usually be expected - but
 by some kind of temporary ‘vibrational’ bond that had been proposed several
 years earlier.

 Nordrum explains:

 In this scenario, the lightweight muonium atom would move rapidly between
 two heavy bromine atoms, 'like a Ping Pong ball bouncing between two
 bowling balls,' Fleming says. The oscillating atom would briefly hold the
 two bromine atoms together and reduce the overall energy, and therefore
 speed, of the reaction.”

 But back then, the team didn’t have the technology needed to actually see
 this reaction take place, because it lasts for just a few milliseconds. But
 now they do, and the team took their investigation to the nuclear
 accelerator at Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in England.

 With the help of theoretical chemists from the Free University of Berlin
 and Saitama University in Japan, Flemming’s team watched as the light
 muonium and heavy bromine formed a temporary bond. “The lightest
 isotopomer, BrMuBr, with Mu the muonium atom, alone exhibits vibrational
 bonding in accord with its possible observation in a recent experiment on
 the Mu + Br2 reaction,” the team reports in the journal Angewandte Chemie
 International Edition. Accordingly, BrMuBr is stabilised at the saddle
 point of the potential energy surface due to a net decrease in vibrational
 zero point energy that overcompensates the increase in potential energy.”

 In other words, the vibration in the bond decreased the total energy of
 the BrMuBr structure, which means that even when the temperature was
 increased, there was not enough energy to see an increase in the reaction
 time.


 *While the team only witnessed the vibrational bond occurring in a bromine
 and muonium reaction, they suspect it can also be found in interactions
 between lightweight and heavy atoms, where van der Waal’s forces are
 assumed to be at play.*
 The work confirms that vibrational bonds - fleeting though they may be -
 should be added to the list of known chemical bonds,” says Nordrum at
 Scientific American.

 Sorry, future high school chemistry students, here's another thing you'll
 probably have to rote learn.

 Source: Scientific American

 ---

 This link has a diagram of the potential energy curve for  a vibrational
 bond:

 
 
 A new type of chemical bond has been confirmed – the vibrational bond

 http://www.zmescience.com/science/chemistry/new-kind-chemical-vibrational-bond-0543543/
 


 Harry

Re: [Vo]:Why cold fusion will not need any grid

2015-01-19 Thread H Veeder

The telegraph was an amazing invention but it did not make sending letters
by mail obsolete.
The invention of the airplane did not make the train obsolete.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

2015-01-17 Thread H Veeder

Axil, t
hanks for the link. It took me to another link which
is about a very important 
economic
theory
 called the
Khazzoom–Brookes postulate
 which is the modern formulation of Jevon's paradox first noticed in
1865. This theory should inform energy policy but it is not widely known.

wiki quote:

In short, the postulate states that energy efficiency improvements
that, on the broadest considerations, are economically justified at the
microlevel, lead to higher levels of energy consumption at the macrolevel.
[2] This idea is a more modern analysis of a phenomenon known as the Jevons
Paradox. In 1865, William Stanley Jevons observed that England's
consumption of coal increased considerably after James Watt introduced his
improvements to the steam engine. Jevons argued that increased efficiency
in the use of coal would tend to increase the demand for coal, and would
not reduce the rate at which England's deposits of coal were running out.
Like Jevons Paradox, the Khazzoom-Brookes Postulate is a deduction that is
largely counter-intuitive as an efficiency paradox. When individuals change
behavior and begin to use methods and devices that are more energy
efficient, there are cases where, on a macro-economic level, energy usage
actually increases. The effect of higher energy prices, either through
taxes or producer-induced shortages, initially reduces demand but in the
longer term encourages greater energy efficiency. This efficiency response
amounts to a partial accommodation of the price rise and thus the reduction
in demand is blunted. The end result is a new balance between supply and
demand at a higher level of supply and consumption than if there had been
no efficiency response.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazzoom%E2%80%93Brookes_postulate

Harry

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested

 In physics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics, energy economics
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_economics and ecological energetics
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energetics, *energy returned on energy
 invested* (*EROEI* or *ERoEI*); or *energy return on investment* (*EROI*),
 is the ratio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio of the amount of usable
 energy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy acquired from a particular
 energy resource to the amount of energy expended to obtain that energy
 resource.[1]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested#cite_note-mh2010-1
 [2]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_returned_on_energy_invested#cite_note-eo-2

 When the EROEI of a resource is less than or equal to one, that energy
 source becomes an energy sink, and can no longer be used as a primary
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_energy source of energy.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:46 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:


 I am not sure what Piantelli meant, but even if the magnitude of the heat
 anomaly is real, can we say with confidence that cold fusion will be a
 cost effective means of generating energy, i.e. will the energy required to
 a manufacture a cold fusion reactor be significantly less than the energy
 it can produce?

 eg. Oil is a cost effective means of generating energy, because the
 energy required to extract one barrel of oil from the ground is
 significantly less the energy produced by burning one barrel of oil.


 Harry


 On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I guess Piantelli said this . . . or there is a misunderstanding.

 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 [Piantelli?] also spent a lot of time on the all important matter of
 credibility in claims. Principally about the HUGE amount of energy that can
 be stored in various forms of Hydrogen and that must absolutely be excluded
 before any meaningful conclusion could be had about anomalous heat.

 What is that supposed to mean? It isn't all that huge. It is the heat of
 formation of water, 285,800 joules per mole. That is the most energy-dense
 chemical reaction there is. Palladium holds more hydrogen than any other
 hydride. In my book, I computed how much hydrogen 0.2 g of palladium can
 hold when loaded 100% (which no actual hydride can achieve) will produce
 286 J:

 . . .  0.2 grams = 0.002 moles of Pd. Fully loaded at a 1:1 ratio with
 hydrogen, 0.002 moles of Pd hold 0.002 moles of H (0.002 grams) which
 converts to 0.001 moles H2O. The heat of formation of water is 285,800
 joules per mole. It is very difficult to load as high as 1:1, except at
 very low temperature. The palladium cigarette lighters would have achieved
 no more than a 1:0.5 ratio in a mixture of alpha and beta loaded Pd-H. In
 other words, a 1 ounce (28 gram) palladium lighter would hold roughly as
 much energy as 20 wooden matches.

 That's 1,430 J/g. A few 1 g samples of palladium have produced 50 MJ and
 more. 50,000,000 is a lot more than 1,430. It is easy to see this is not a
 chemical

Re: [Vo]:A strange and screwy claim by Piantelli

2015-01-16 Thread H Veeder

I am not sure what Piantelli meant, but even if the magnitude of the heat
anomaly is real, can we say with confidence that cold fusion will be a
cost effective means of generating energy, i.e. will the energy required to
a manufacture a cold fusion reactor be significantly less than the energy
it can produce?

eg. Oil is a cost effective means of generating energy, because the energy
required to extract one barrel of oil from the ground is significantly less
the energy produced by burning one barrel of oil.


Harry


On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess Piantelli said this . . . or there is a misunderstanding.

 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 [Piantelli?] also spent a lot of time on the all important matter of
 credibility in claims. Principally about the HUGE amount of energy that can
 be stored in various forms of Hydrogen and that must absolutely be excluded
 before any meaningful conclusion could be had about anomalous heat.

 What is that supposed to mean? It isn't all that huge. It is the heat of
 formation of water, 285,800 joules per mole. That is the most energy-dense
 chemical reaction there is. Palladium holds more hydrogen than any other
 hydride. In my book, I computed how much hydrogen 0.2 g of palladium can
 hold when loaded 100% (which no actual hydride can achieve) will produce
 286 J:

 . . .  0.2 grams = 0.002 moles of Pd. Fully loaded at a 1:1 ratio with
 hydrogen, 0.002 moles of Pd hold 0.002 moles of H (0.002 grams) which
 converts to 0.001 moles H2O. The heat of formation of water is 285,800
 joules per mole. It is very difficult to load as high as 1:1, except at
 very low temperature. The palladium cigarette lighters would have achieved
 no more than a 1:0.5 ratio in a mixture of alpha and beta loaded Pd-H. In
 other words, a 1 ounce (28 gram) palladium lighter would hold roughly as
 much energy as 20 wooden matches.

 That's 1,430 J/g. A few 1 g samples of palladium have produced 50 MJ and
 more. 50,000,000 is a lot more than 1,430. It is easy to see this is not a
 chemical reaction.

 He talked about ionisation, absorption, re-combination, para and ortho and
 various charge states etc.

 These changes cannot produce more net energy than the formation of water.
 That is the absolute upper limit to what a hydride can produce. 1430 J/g.
 No chemical system can produce more than ~4 eV/atom which is close to what
 the heat of formation of water is.


 Just ionisation energy of 1.008 g (1 mole of Hydrogen) is 1,312
 kilojoules, the re-combination is 423 kilojoules and so on.

 That would make great rocket fuel if you could store it! NASA would pay
 you a billion dollars and you would get a nobel prize. But no one can. As I
 said, the upper limit is 285 kJ and that's for 2 moles of H (and one of O).
 That's why NASA used H2 and O2 to power the space shuttle. There is no
 better fuel measured in energy per gram.

 You can subject a mole of hydrogen to a laser and make it real hot for a
 nanosecond too, but that doesn't count. That is not energy storage, and you
 cannot release that in any system.

 If Piantelli said this, he has a screw loose.


 Without a full account of the amount of potential hydrogen in a reaction,
 results are a fantasy and will not be taken seriously.

 The full account is what I said: 285 kJ per 2 moles. End of story. NASA
 and every automobile maker on earth will pay you billions if you release
 more energy than that.

 - Jed

[Vo]:Video Tutorial

2015-01-13 Thread H Veeder

Newton's law of cooling

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/differential-equations/first-order-differential-equations/modeling-with-differential-equations/v/newtons-law-of-cooling


Harry

Re: [Vo]:The MFMP replication effort live on youtube.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:58 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

 It could have been worse, we could have lost heat from the universe


This worried James Joule.

Harry





 On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote:

 As best as I could tell, it looks like this was a dud.  Heat in = Heat
 out.  It was frustrating to see.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I guess I missed some part them. But I never saw a so beautiful metal
 glow!




 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Why smart people defend bad ideas

Why smart people defend bad ideas

http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/

excerpt:
The second stop on our tour of commonly defended bad ideas is the
seemingly friendly notion of communal thinking. Just because everyone in
the room is smart doesn’t mean that collectively they will arrive at smart
ideas. The power of peer pressure is that it works on our psychology, not
our intellect. As social animals we are heavily influenced by how the
people around us behave, and the quality of our own internal decision
making varies widely depending on the environment we currently are in.
(e.g. Try to write a haiku poem while standing in an elevator with 15 opera
singers screaming 15 different operas, in 15 different languages, in
falsetto, directly at you vs. sitting on a bench in a quiet stretch of open
woods).


That said, the more homogeneous a group of people are in their thinking,
the narrower the range of ideas that the group will openly consider. The
more open minded, creative, and courageous a group is, the wider the pool
of ideas they’ll be capable of exploring.

Some teams of people look to focus groups, consultancies, and research
methods to bring in outside ideas, but this rarely improves the quality of
thinking in the group itself. Those outside ideas, however bold or
original, are at the mercy of the diversity of thought within the group
itself. If the group, as a collective, is only capable of approving B level
work, it doesn’t matter how many A level ideas you bring to it. Focus
groups or other outside sources of information can not give a team, or its
leaders, a soul. A bland homogeneous team of people has no real opinions,
because it consists of people with same backgrounds, outlooks, and
experiences who will only feel comfortable discussing the safe ideas that
fit into those constraints.If you want your smart people to be as smart as
possible, seek a diversity of ideas. Find people with different
experiences, opinions, backgrounds, weights, heights, races, facial hair
styles, colors, past-times, favorite items of clothing, philosophies, and
beliefs. Unify them around the results you want, not the means or
approaches they are expected to use. It’s the only way to guarantee that
the best ideas from your smartest people will be received openly by the
people around them. On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music,
food, sex, media and people. Actually experience life by going to places
you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend
time with. Be in the moment and be open to it. Until recently in human
history, life was much less predictable and we were forced to encounter
things not always of our own choosing. We are capable of more interesting
and creative lives than our modern cultures often provide for us. If you go
out of your way to find diverse experiences it will become impossible for
you to miss ideas simply because your homogenous outlook filtered them out.


Harry

Re: [Vo]:Why smart people defend bad ideas

James, it sounds like you are having a bad day.

harry

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:55 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think you mean to say science SHOULD BE driven by experiments over
 arguments.

 However if science were driven by experiments, this list would not need to
 exist.

 John

 On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Idiocy.

 Science is driven by experiment over argument.

 When you insist on contaminating every human ecology with every other
 human ecology you violate a central tenant of science:  controlled
 experimentation.

 When failures occur under cirumstances of enforced contamination you are
 left with nothing but confusion.  You learn nothing from your failures.
 Indeed, you learn nothing from your successes.

 The conceit that conversation or discourse or discussion can be the
 appeal of last resort in testing truth is something only humans who are
 deluded by words could conceive of.

 On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:49 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why smart people defend bad ideas

 http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/

 excerpt:
 The second stop on our tour of commonly defended bad ideas is the
 seemingly friendly notion of communal thinking. Just because everyone in
 the room is smart doesn’t mean that collectively they will arrive at smart
 ideas. The power of peer pressure is that it works on our psychology, not
 our intellect. As social animals we are heavily influenced by how the
 people around us behave, and the quality of our own internal decision
 making varies widely depending on the environment we currently are in.
 (e.g. Try to write a haiku poem while standing in an elevator with 15 opera
 singers screaming 15 different operas, in 15 different languages, in
 falsetto, directly at you vs. sitting on a bench in a quiet stretch of open
 woods).


 That said, the more homogeneous a group of people are in their thinking,
 the narrower the range of ideas that the group will openly consider. The
 more open minded, creative, and courageous a group is, the wider the pool
 of ideas they’ll be capable of exploring.

 Some teams of people look to focus groups, consultancies, and research
 methods to bring in outside ideas, but this rarely improves the quality of
 thinking in the group itself. Those outside ideas, however bold or
 original, are at the mercy of the diversity of thought within the group
 itself. If the group, as a collective, is only capable of approving B level
 work, it doesn’t matter how many A level ideas you bring to it. Focus
 groups or other outside sources of information can not give a team, or its
 leaders, a soul. A bland homogeneous team of people has no real opinions,
 because it consists of people with same backgrounds, outlooks, and
 experiences who will only feel comfortable discussing the safe ideas that
 fit into those constraints.If you want your smart people to be as smart
 as possible, seek a diversity of ideas. Find people with different
 experiences, opinions, backgrounds, weights, heights, races, facial hair
 styles, colors, past-times, favorite items of clothing, philosophies, and
 beliefs. Unify them around the results you want, not the means or
 approaches they are expected to use. It’s the only way to guarantee that
 the best ideas from your smartest people will be received openly by the
 people around them. On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music,
 food, sex, media and people. Actually experience life by going to places
 you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend
 time with. Be in the moment and be open to it. Until recently in human
 history, life was much less predictable and we were forced to encounter
 things not always of our own choosing. We are capable of more interesting
 and creative lives than our modern cultures often provide for us. If you go
 out of your way to find diverse experiences it will become impossible for
 you to miss ideas simply because your homogenous outlook filtered them out.
 

 Harry

Re: [Vo]:Why smart people defend bad ideas

watch more French cinema

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbAohexT0Ho

Harry

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com quoted some good and bad ideas:


 On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music, food, sex, media and
 people.

 What does non-homogenous sex mean? With other people? My wife would object.

 I do not see what music or food has to do with being open to ideas. Arthur
 Clarke reportedly ate a typical British meat and potatoes diet his whole
 life, but he was broad minded about other things. I also know what I like
 and I like what I know, as the Brits say. I listen mainly to classical
 music. Most popular music sounds like abominable noise to me. Japanese
 popular music, being broadcast at this moment in the annual Kohaku Uta
 Gassen, is saccharine glop.

 New  unusually people -- *that* I agree with. I don't actually like
 real, living people, because they are boring. I prefer dead people. In
 books. People lived hundreds of years ago in different countries give a
 whole new perspective.



 Actually experience life by going to places you don’t usually go,
 spending time with people you don’t usually spend time with.

 I get lost when I try to go to places I don't usually go. I show up at the
 airport the day after the flight. As I said, spending time with people who
 lived hundreds of years ago in Japan, Italy or Boston is an eye-opener.

 As Logan P. Smith put it, People say that life is the thing, but I prefer
 reading.

 - Jed

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

2014-12-30 Thread H Veeder

Suppose you imagine the atoms as stationary and imagine the cavities as in
motion instead. When two cavities collide do they generate heat or destroy
heat?

Harry

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:52 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:

 Dave:

 If my hypothesis is correct as to what the conditions are like in a
 void/microcavity, then looking at atoms in the void as ‘billiard balls’
 colliding and rebounding as you describe, is I believe inaccurate; at least
 once the atoms shed their heat energy, their wave functions will overlap
 and become a BEC.  I.e., the less heat energy, the less the atom behaves as
 a billiard ball and more like an oscillating fluid…



 Also, there will likely be some element of an E-field/B-field inside the
 void, and that will physically orient the motion of any atoms inside…



 Wish I could be a fly on the void wall!



 -mark



 *From:* David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 9:10 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional
 atomic crystals



 I have considered what you are saying as being normal Mark.  Relative
 motion of an atom to itself is zero, so it is at zero kelvin as far as it
 knows.  When a second atom is added to the void, it becomes more
 complicated but the relative motion of the two must become zero many times
 per second as they collide and rebound within your assumed cavity.  During
 these brief intervals we have two atoms that are at zero Kelvin from their
 reference frame.  As you add more and more atoms to the mix the amount of
 time during which zero relative motion exists between them becomes smaller
 and less likely, but does occur.

 As long as you keep the number of atoms relatively small that are required
 to react in the process of your choice, it will have an opportunity to
 happen many times per second inside each cavity.  Multiply that number by
 the number of possible active cavities within a large object and you get an
 enormous number of active sites that have the potential to react.

 If only 4 atoms are required at zero Kelvin in order to react as you may
 be considering, it seems obvious that this will occur so often that a large
 amount of heat will be released by a system of that type.  When you realize
 that it seems to be very difficult to achieve an LENR device that generates
 lots of heat I suspect that the number of reacting atoms confined within
 the cavity is quite a bit greater than 4.  How many do you believe are
 required in order to combine and in what form is the ash?

 On the other hand, if a reaction is virtually guaranteed once a modest
 number of atoms becomes confined inside the void, then the limiting factor
 might be that it becomes impossible to confine the required number under
 most conditions.  If this situation is the limiting factor, then a higher
 temperature could well allow more atoms of the reactants to enter into a
 void of the necessary type as more space become available when the cavity
 walls open with additional motion.

 I am not convinced that this type of reaction is the cause of LENR, but at
 least it should be given proper consideration.

 Dave







 -Original Message-
 From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 10:54 pm
 Subject: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic
 crystals

 FYI:



 Article being referenced is at the bottom, however, I wanted to toss
 something out to The Collective first…



 One of the things that caught my eye in the article is the ‘room
 temperature’ condition…



 As we all know, atoms at room temp are vibrating like crazy since they
 contain the equivalent of 273degC of energy above their lowest state.
 Thus, ‘coherent’ states in condensed matter above absolute zero is almost
 never seen.  The article’s experiment was done in material at room temp, so
 the observed behavior is a bit of a surprise.  Perhaps what they have not
 yet thought about is that the ‘microcavities’ have no temperature, as I
 will explain below.



 This ties in with a point I tried to explain to Dr. Storms, and although I
 think he realizes my point had merit, he glossed right over it and went off
 on a different tangent.  This was in a vortex discussion about 9 to 12
 months ago.  The point is this:



 The ‘temperature’ inside a ‘void’ in a crystal lattice is most likely that
 of the vacuum of space; i.e, absolute zero, or very close to it.  Because,
 temperature is nothing more than excess energy imparted to atoms from
 neighboring atoms; atoms have temperature; space/vacuum does not.  Without
 atoms (physical matter), you have no temperature.  In a lattice void, if it
 is large enough (whatever that dimension is), there is NO ‘temperature’
 inside since the void contains no atoms.  If an atom diffuses into that
 void, it enters with whatever energy it had when it entered, so it has a

[Vo]:Driverless farm tractors

2014-12-29 Thread H Veeder

Driverless farm tractors

http://fortune.com/2014/12/29/driverless-tractors-on-the-farm/?xid=yahoo_fortune

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases

2014-12-27 Thread H Veeder

Spontaneous electric fields in solid films: spontelectrics

Published online: 12 Mar 2013


F
ull paper available here.


http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0144235X.2013.767109

Abstract
When dipolar gases are condensed at sufficiently low temperature onto a
solid surface, they form films that may spontaneously exhibit electric
fields in excess of 108 V/m. This effect, called the ‘spontelectric
effect’, was recently revealed using an instrument designed to measure
scattering and capture of low energy electrons by molecular films. In this
review it is described how this discovery was made and the properties of
materials that display the spontelectric effect, so-called
‘spontelectrics’, are set out. A discussion is included of properties that
differentiate spontelectrics from ferroelectrics and other species in which
spontaneous polarisation may be found.

Spontelectric films may be composed of a number of quite mundane dipolar
molecules that involve such diverse dipolar species as propane, nitrous
oxide or methyl formate. Experimental results are presented for
spontelectrics illustrating that the spontelectric field generally
decreases monotonically with increasing deposition temperature, with the
exception of methyl formate that shows an increase beyond a critical range
of deposition temperature. Films of spontelectric material show a Curie
temperature above which the spontelectric effect disappears. Heterolayers
may also be laid down creating potential wells on the nanoscale.

A model is put forward based upon competition between dipole alignment and
thermal disorder, which is successful in reproducing the variation of the
degree of dipole alignment and the spontelectric field with deposition
temperature, including the behaviour of methyl formate. This model and
associated data lead to the conclusion that the spontelectric effect is new
in solid-state physics and that spontelectrics represent a new class of
materials.


Harry

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Eric Walker

 my suspicion is that the potentials have to do with buildup of electrons
 in dialectically insulated grains


 This is not the first time I have mistyped that.  I suppose they might in
 fact be dialectically insulated metal grains.  In this case they should
 also be dielectrically insulted as well.

 Eric

Re: [Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases

2014-12-23 Thread H Veeder

Great find.

The article linked to this article which goes into a bit more detail.
http://sciencenordic.com/historic-discovery-huge-electric-field-occurs-spontaneously-laughing-gas

After the phenomena  of superconductivity was first discovered at very low
temperatures people began searching for higher temperature superconductors,
so I  wonder if the phenomena of spontelectrics can occur at higher
temperatures too.

Harry

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:

 FYI:


 http://www.sciencealert.com/huge-and-mysterious-electric-field-found-in-ice-cold-laughing-gas



 “It was supposed to be a routine experiment, but the team soon realised
 something was amiss. A potential of around 14.5 volts appeared
 spontaneously on the film, which in turn produced an enormous electrical
 field of more than 100 million volts per metre. Based on widely accepted
 notions in physics, there should have been no electric current whatsoever.”



 Publication reference, PDF available for free:


 http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2014/cp/c4cp03659j#!divAbstract



 -Mark

[Vo]:New research on x-rays and gamma rays from lightning

2014-12-21 Thread H Veeder

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2014/12/15/frequent-flyers-could-take-a-hit-of-radiation-from-lightning/

[Vo]:The Politics of Science by Joseph Agassi

2014-12-21 Thread H Veeder

Philosopher Joseph Agassi's 1986 paper _The Politics of Science_.

http://www.academia.edu/3705830/politics_of_science

quotes:

...It is an empirical fact that when I report to colleagues, philosophers,
scientists, university professors and administrators, and other
intellectuals, that I wish to discuss the politics of science, they first
ask me if I mean science policy. When I say, no, the politics within the
commonwealth of learning is what I wish to discuss, the response is, there
is no such thing. When I say, I have ample empirical evidence to the
contrary, they say, there should be no such thing. When I retort that there
should be no more war, they say, war is a part of political life,
willy-nilly; but university politics and politics in learned societies, and
other intrigues and power struggles do not in any way belong to science.
Scientists, they say, may very well be politicians, yet as scientists they
cannot do politics within science. There is no room, they say, for politics
in science...





...
The simple-minded view does seem to be dogmatic, pig-headed and harmful.
Yet I should not be indignant, not only because indignation does not become
a philosopher, but also because it is a standard conservative defence of
the status-quo and the top-dog’s way to tell the under-dog that there is no
status-quo and no top-dog, that everyone who is very good has a road open
to the very top. In other words, the theory that there is no politics of
science is not only simple-minded, it is rooted in naivety and ignorance-in
the same naivety and ignorance exhibited by any member of any tribe,
society or club, who says the same. Nevertheless, for the top-dog to say to
the under-dog that there is no top-dog and no under-dog but that everyone
has his just share is plainly self-serving
. ...




Harry

[Vo]:Exhaled Pounds: How Fat Leaves the Body

2014-12-19 Thread H Veeder


When you lose weight, where does it go? Turns out, most of it is exhaled.
In a new study, scientists explain the fate of fat in a human body, and
through precise calculations, debunk some common misconceptions. Fat
doesn't simply turn into energy or heat, and it doesn't break into
smaller parts and get excreted, the researchers say.


http://www.livescience.com/49157-how-fat-is-lost-body.html

-



Considering the soaring overweight and obesity rates and strong interest in
this topic, there is surprising ignorance and confusion about the metabolic
process of weight loss among the general public and health professionals
alike. We encountered widespread misconceptions about how humans lose
weight among general practitioners, dietitians, and personal trainers (fig
1⇓). Most people believed that fat is converted to energy or heat, which
violates the law of conservation of mass. We suspect this misconception is
caused by the “energy in/energy out” mantra and the focus on energy
production in university biochemistry courses. Other misconceptions were
that the metabolites of fat are excreted in the faeces or converted to
muscle. We present a novel calculation to show how we “lose weight.”



http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g7257



Harry

Re: [Vo]:Exhaled Pounds: How Fat Leaves the Body

2014-12-19 Thread H Veeder

Good question.
I wonder if it can also explain why some people can eat relatively little
and not wither away.

Harry

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:37 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:

 that..  makes perfect sense, but I never thought about it.  I wonder
 if...  hmm.   Aerobic exercise that increases oxygen brought into the body
 is generally considered better for losing fat, and people with nasal issues
 that lower oxygen intake often are larger.  I wonder if low oxygen levels
 tie to fat production.   Cold and higher elevation climates tend towards
 fatter people, and the explanation was always insulation, but


 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:29 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 When you lose weight, where does it go? Turns out, most of it is exhaled.
 In a new study, scientists explain the fate of fat in a human body, and
 through precise calculations, debunk some common misconceptions. Fat
 doesn't simply turn into energy or heat, and it doesn't break into
 smaller parts and get excreted, the researchers say.
 
 
 http://www.livescience.com/49157-how-fat-is-lost-body.html

 -


 
 Considering the soaring overweight and obesity rates and strong interest
 in this topic, there is surprising ignorance and confusion about the
 metabolic process of weight loss among the general public and health
 professionals alike. We encountered widespread misconceptions about how
 humans lose weight among general practitioners, dietitians, and personal
 trainers (fig 1⇓). Most people believed that fat is converted to energy or
 heat, which violates the law of conservation of mass. We suspect this
 misconception is caused by the “energy in/energy out” mantra and the focus
 on energy production in university biochemistry courses. Other
 misconceptions were that the metabolites of fat are excreted in the faeces
 or converted to muscle. We present a novel calculation to show how we “lose
 weight.”
 


 http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g7257



 Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-14 Thread H Veeder

Dave,
Newsweek, a mainstream magazine, just published an article about basic
income.
It provides some other numbers to mull over.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-fix-poverty-write-every-family-basic-income-check-291583

Harry


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:09 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 Did you stop to make an estimate of the amount of money being distributed
 if this scheme is implemented?  A quick figure is 300,000,000 x 15,000 =
 4.5 trillion bucks!  The entire GDP of the US in 2014 was 17.4 trillion
 dollars.  It appears that a tax rate of about 40% of the GDP would be
 required just to give out that much money, not counting defense, and all
 the other required government functions.

 From the budget numbers I found on wikipedia it looks like the total tax
 taken in by the government would at least double in order to cover the
 distribution.  I suspect that the burden upon the economy would be too
 great to sustain anywhere near the amounts we are considering.

 Perhaps someone can check my figures and see if they make sense.  I am in
 favor of some type of system, but the numbers need to be reasonable.

 Dave

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-14 Thread H Veeder

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

  Harry,



 The more I think about it, I don't think you were trying to play a scare
 card. This is just an issue that concerns me deeply. As I get older I
 suspect it will concern me even more. Hopefully I will be in a position do
 to something about it on my own terms.



 Depending on my circumstances, as I approach the end of my useful life, I
 would like to have the option of being able to invite all my best friends
 over to my abode, and perhaps a few irritating foes as well, for one last
 get-together. It should be party. There I would like to casually and
 perhaps with some humor give out a few of my most cherished possessions to
 the appropriate. I hope someone asks me, Steve, can I have your bike? It
 should be a happy feast of remembrance with some nice music playing in the
 background. Then, on my signal, I want the cup barer to bring the potion
 over to me. By law he or she will be required to warn me If you drink this
 potion you will die. I'll take the potion and I will drink it. Then, I'll
 lay back listening to soft music... maybe a little Beethoven... or maybe
 Enya, while holding hands with loved ones.



 Time to die.



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOW4QiOD-oc



 But in the meantime, just so most Vorts don't end up with the impression
 I'm romanticizing the process a tad too much, the following clip best
 expresses my current attitude about dying.



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPatfgoNBRo



 Regards,

 Steven Vincent Johnson

 svjart.orionworks.com

 zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

2014-12-14 Thread H Veeder

I did not mean to play the scare card. In fact anybody, no matter their age
or health, could wake one morning and find themselves in need of long term
care. Everyone deserves to live, grow old, and die in dignity. Since
careworkers play a huge role in making that possible it is important that
their dignity be recognized too and a guaranteed basic income would help in
that respect. These remarks are motivated by my personal experience which I
will describe.

In July my mother died from complications due to advanced dementia. Almost
eight years ago she was diagnosed with vascular dementia.
When my mother her broke her hip six years ago I moved back into my
parent's home and became heavily involved in mother's rehabilitation and
care. I tended to all her needs as you would do for any child or infant. A
number of factors made this possible.  I was unemployed, single with no
children so I had the time, my fathers pension could support us both and we
were fortunate enough to become clients of a new pilot program in assisted
living. That program provided us with regularly scheduled help as well as
extra help when ever we needed it. In the last two and half years the
personal support workers were coming 4 or 5 times a day.

Harry


On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

  Harry,



 The more I think about it, I don't think you were trying to play a scare
 card. This is just an issue that concerns me deeply. As I get older I
 suspect it will concern me even more. Hopefully I will be in a position do
 to something about it on my own terms.



 Depending on my circumstances, as I approach the end of my useful life, I
 would like to have the option of being able to invite all my best friends
 over to my abode, and perhaps a few irritating foes as well, for one last
 get-together. It should be party. There I would like to casually and
 perhaps with some humor give out a few of my most cherished possessions to
 the appropriate. I hope someone asks me, Steve, can I have your bike? It
 should be a happy feast of remembrance with some nice music playing in the
 background. Then, on my signal, I want the cup barer to bring the potion
 over to me. By law he or she will be required to warn me If you drink this
 potion you will die. I'll take the potion and I will drink it. Then, I'll
 lay back listening to soft music... maybe a little Beethoven... or maybe
 Enya, while holding hands with loved ones.



 Time to die.



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOW4QiOD-oc



 But in the meantime, just so most Vorts don't end up with the impression
 I'm romanticizing the process a tad too much, the following clip best
 expresses my current attitude about dying.



 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPatfgoNBRo



 Regards,

 Steven Vincent Johnson

 svjart.orionworks.com

 zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

Nothing is inherently safe.
Everything is potentially dangerous.
Drinking water is toxic when too much is consumed. There is no such thing
as safe sex.
Explosives are safe when used correctly and appropriately.
One way to minimize the dangers is to enact laws that can be used to
regulate behaviours and substances. Another way is through the promotion of
self-respect and respect for others.
Nurturing self-respect and respect for others probably does more to protect
people from the potential dangers associated with our ancient drives to
copulate and eat and drink then laws will ever do.

Harry

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:


 Your last  comment: I do not think so. I do not know of any
 inherently safe products that regulated solely for the good of society. 


 Making beer and wine is limited and distilling ethanol is prohibited
 without a license. (Ethanol, however, is considered safe and can be
 purchased by any adult.)   Such action is taken for the good of the
 society.


 You misunderstand. Beer and wine cause harm. They are not inherently safe.
 They should not be sold to minors, or sold on the street, or consumed in
 automobiles. Many other products that can cause harm are regulated, such as
 explosives. Many are potentially dangerous, such as automobiles, which have
 to be licensed and periodically inspected for safety. Gigantic robots used
 for mining or manufacturing will have to be regulated. You would not want
 your neighbor installing a robot large enough to crush an automobile.
 However, small robots will be no threat to anyone, any more than a washing
 machine is.

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:


 Nothing is inherently safe.
 Everything is potentially dangerous.
 Drinking water is toxic when too much is consumed. There is no such thing
 as safe sex.
 Explosives are safe when used correctly and appropriately.


 But some things are a lot safer than others. Water is generally safe.
 Explosives are always dangerous even when used correctly and appropriately.
 You have to be very careful with them -- always alert and careful --
 whereas it is nearly impossible to cause harm with a glass of water. That
 is why explosives are regulated and a glass of water is not.



Most people know how to drink water without choking so there is no need to
be alert and careful in that case. But in other cases where someone has a
swallowing disorder you need to be alert and careful.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:23 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:

Bob, unlike Jed I do think your protectionist laws are plausible.

And while at first blush I considered them very promising, I then saw a
bunch of problems, and the largest problem as I see it is in a loss of
productivity.

Ultimately robots are a offering a path away from scarcity and towards
abundance.

I used to think scarcity and abundance could be understood as objective
states of the world, but after listening to Evelin Lindner (1,2) I now
think they are more a matter of perception which are driven by real or
perceived threats to security. If one wants a world of abundance then it is
necessary to understand what is needed for security. Otherwise the claimed
state of scarcity which we are supposedly leaving behind thanks to
capitalism and technology will prevail indefinitely no matter how many
smart robots are built or how much energy becomes available.

1 - A Dignity Economy. Talk given by Evelin Lindner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRRlIQP2jzs

2 - How the Human Rights Ideal of Equal Dignity Separates
Humiliation from Shame
http://www.humiliationstudies.org/documents/evelin/HowtheHumanRightsIdealofDignitySeparatesHumiliat.pdf

The only problem is that our methods of distribution are based around
participation in production.

As this stops being possible, so what is needed is not to find work for
idle hands, but to find ways to distribute things freely.

As such different models need to be discussed.
Your model of robots earning money for a person has more flaws than the
free money idea.

So then the only real option is between free money, or some other concepts.
Concepts which I might add have maybe not been sufficiently explored by
humanity for a very long time if ever.

Unlimited free stuff, just take it. Might not produce waste if people
get over hoarding. Money might play little part in many peoples lives.

An allotment of free stuff, hope it is enough to cover your needs.

Maybe it is ultimately possible to have a society that doesn't abuse
unlimited free stuff.

The thing that is limited is land.

Knowledge is the new frontier. Knowledge of yourself, of others, of the
human animal, of other animals, of the Earth and the Cosmos.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

I wrote:


 Most people know how to drink water without choking so there is no need to
 be alert and careful in that case. But in other cases where someone has a
 swallowing disorder you need to be alert and careful.

 Harry



Technically I should have said without aspirating instead of without
choking.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnB16E36EQ



 Thanks Harry. This was fascinating to watch and very informative too. They
 probably are on to something. A paradigm shift, I'd say. I hope these
 experimental guaranteed income programs continue to be actively studied and
 tested with real people - everywhere.



 As I watched this video I realize the fact that I will be retiring in less
 than two weeks. In a sense, I was watching a version of this process
 actually manifesting for me in the form of finally receiving my
 entitlements, as if there were no strings attached guaranteed income.



 I could agree with a lot of the surprising conclusions that had been
 recorded. If I had a guaranteed income I would have no interest spending
 all my free time day sitting on my fat ass doing nothing more than
 watching football or porn on my monitor. Nor would I be interested in
 consuming booze or sampling prostitutes. I want to DO SOMETHING with the
 free time I now have at my disposal! SOMETHING USEFUL. SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE
 THAT HOPEFULLY, ULTIMATELY BENEFITS SOCIETY. With a guaranteed basic income
 at hand I would have both the incentive and practical ability to actually
 start working on a number of eccentric projects that had been economically
 impossible for me to engage in in the past.



 I have no doubt that variations of this income distribution system will
 eventually be implemented across the entire planet in various forms and
 permutations.



I am glad you enjoyed it and that you are looking forward to your
retirement. On a more somber note this issue could impact you personally
should you become disabled as you age. Given current income trends among
young adults the generation of care workers that will help you may not be
so caring as you might like.

Harry

[Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

What if everybody got free cash?
Myths and facts about unconditional basic income.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hFbyujLT8HQ

Talk given by the author of Robots will steal your job, but that is ok.
He has looked at the evidence and explains why he is no longer opposed to
basic income and why he used to be opposed it. He also briefly connects
basic income with the subject of crypto-currencies and patents.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

Whoops wrong link. Lol (Darn mobile devices!)
this is the correct one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-vnB16E36EQ

Harry

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

Actually the Swiss have not voted on it yet.  A minimum of hundred thousand
signatures were needed to get it as a question on a future referendum.
That was achieved earlier this year. The referendum is suppose to be in
2016 so the campaign is just beginning, but a panel associated with
referendum questions advised the Swiss populace that in their opinion it
was a bad idea.

Harry

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:06 PM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:

  I have been writing about the coming high rate of permanent unemployment
 that I expect.  An unconditional income to everyone is one the few ideas
 that shows promise.  I was surprised to see that a large experiment has
 actually been carried out in India and the results are fascinating.
 Whether that will apply to a more developed country remains to be seen.
 Switzerland voted it down quite recently.  I expect the major difficulty
 here to try it would be the GOP, but logically that does not make sense.

 Thanks for linking the video.

 Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:OT: what if everybody got free cash?

Craig I actually agree that their won't be a permanent high rate of
unemployment. However, the number of full time jobs with benefits has been
declining and continues to decline. Young adults entering the job market
today do not have the same opportunities for full time employment as their
parents did. The economic opportunities as well as the social and
individual costs of the new labour-market norm of flex-jobs is discussed in
Guy Standing's book The Precariat; The New Dangerous Class.

BTW, Guy Standing helped to set up and monitor  the Indian experiment in
basic income.
In this recent news article he describes the results of the experiment.

Cash transfers can work better than subsidies
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article6665676.ece

Harry

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:

 You have a prediction that there will be a high rate of unemployment, but
 these sorts of predictions started in the late 1800s with the expansion of
 industry. Now you're proposing a solution for this prediction, and believe
 that any opposition to this solution does not make sense. But you
 wouldn't try to solve any other problem in this way. You wouldn't take a
 prediction based on loose science, and try to solve a problem which does
 not yet exist. Moreover, your solution requires taking money from people
 without their consent. So there is no way that someone opposed to your
 prediction, and your solution, could opt-out. I sympathize with your desire
 to try to solve an unrealized problem, but ask that you do not include
 those who disagree with your assessment of the problem, and your proposed
 solution.

 Craig


 On 12/09/2014 06:06 PM, a.ashfield wrote:

 I have been writing about the coming high rate of permanent unemployment
 that I expect.  An unconditional income to everyone is one the few ideas
 that shows promise.  I was surprised to see that a large experiment has
 actually been carried out in India and the results are fascinating.
 Whether that will apply to a more developed country remains to be seen.
 Switzerland voted it down quite recently.  I expect the major difficulty
 here to try it would be the GOP, but logically that does not make sense.

 Thanks for linking the video.

 Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:History: Stanford Robert A. Huggins positive LENr result...

2014-12-07 Thread H Veeder

This article appeared a few weeks later.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/03/us/physicists-debunk-claim-of-a-new-kind-of-fusion.html

quote from the second page:
At Stanford University, Prof. Robert A. Huggins repeated the
Pons-Fleischmann experiment several weeks ago, and obtained results that
seemed to suggest fusion. But Dr. Walter E. Meyerhof, professor of physics
at Stanford, told scientists Monday night that he had carefully studied his
colleague's apparatus and found that the experiment was flawed because of
the system used to measure heat. Nevertheless, Dr. Huggins, a materials
scientist, said in a telephone interview that he is ''more confident than
ever'' in his results.

Harry

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:


 Franck Ackalnd digged that old article on a sucessful LENr experiment in 89
 http://www.nytimes.com/1989/04/19/us/stanford-reports-success.html

 I know there was many false positive at the beginning...
 what is the final story on that experiment? was it finally positive ?

 It seems too short to have a positive result as most say few month are
 required just for loading?



 Stanford Reports Success
 By WILLIAM J. BROAD
 Published: April 19, 1989

 A team of scientists at Stanford University said yesterday that they had
 duplicated the experiment in which nuclear fusion was reportedly achieved
 in a jar of water at room temperature. The Stanford researchers said they
 measured heat but not radiation or subatomic particles that are often
 produced by nuclear fusion.

[Vo]:Time Reborn

2014-12-05 Thread H Veeder

Finally there is a respected physicist who is able to use philosophy to
critique the prevailing doctrines of physics.

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/videos/time-reborn

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Time Reborn

2014-12-05 Thread H Veeder

I like the fact that he asks mudane questions rather than deducing
answers from clever from propositions.

However, at the 26 minute mark his account of the relationship between
experiment and law is incorrect. He says that one must do many experiments
where the initial conditions are carefully controlled and varied each time
before one can discover a law. This is true for an *empirical* law,  but it
is not true for a *universal* law. For example, the law of inertia is
proposed first and its universality is based upon some metascientific
jusitification (such as it reflects God's will or the aesthetic reason that
straight lines are beautiful) instead of being derived from experiment. It
is impossible to critique the law of inertia by experiment alone since any
deviation from inertial motion can always be interpreted as the effect of
an applied force.

Harry

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:10 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Finally there is a respected physicist who is able to use philosophy to
 critique the prevailing doctrines of physics.

 http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/videos/time-reborn

 Harry

[Vo]:Physics Girl: A Unique and Crazy Pool Vortex

2014-11-29 Thread H Veeder


All you need is a pool, a plate, and some food color.  Physics girl does an
experiment that cause weird black circles to form just be dragging a plate
through a pool.  On a nice clear sunny day you can see the black circle
vortex travel through the whole pool.  How does this happen?  Watch and
learn.



http://www.sun-gazing.com/physics-girl-unique-crazy-pool-vortex/

Harry

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-21 Thread H Veeder

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 At least the Church never questioned Galileo's intelligence.
  Heretic yes. Moron no.


 Harry

 ***Sure they did.  From Wikipedia:
 In 1616, an Inquisitorial commission unanimously declared heliocentrism to
 be foolish and absurd in philosophy,

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei



I guess it depends on what one means by moron.



Harry

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-21 Thread H Veeder

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

 In reply to  H Veeder's message of Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:27:00 -0500:
 Hi,
 [snip]
  ?Newton's laws of motion are effectively violated unless the reaction of
 these virtual particles can be observed in another way.

 ...it just means you are pushing against the mass of the universe.
 Effectively, all the energy absorbed is returned as kinetic energy of the
 craft.
 Regards,

 Robin van Spaandonk

 http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html




What I was wondering is if the reaction of the quantum vacuum has other
observable effects besides the thrust.
For example, the thrust generated by a standard engine results in an
exhaust which can be seen to disturb other bodies nearby.
If one can push against the quantum vacuum will this disturb other bodies
as well?


Harry

[Vo]:McKubre visits Norway

2014-11-21 Thread H Veeder

A Trip to Norway

Michael C.H. McKubre
November 12, 2014

http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue119/norway.html

Harry

Re: [Vo]:They call me a moron. A reply.

2014-11-20 Thread H Veeder

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Many, if not most, of the LENR detractors/skeptics base their viewpoint on
 a position that LENR can’t work because it contradicts the laws of physics.
 The heart of the matter lies in engineering. A good engineer will use the
 optimum physical principle to get the job done.


  As a example, a Wakefield accelerator that is just a few feet in length
 uses a different set of physical laws to do what the CERN 17 mile diameter
 accelerator does. A scientist who specialized in nuclear physics may not
 understand what laws to apply to get his job done in a more optimized way.
 That does not make the physical principles applied in the optimized
 solution invalid. It just means that the engineers of the optimized
 solution have amazed the scientist to such a huge extent that the scientist
 is baffled into disbelief when he sees the results of the engineering.


  Another example is the reactionless engine that NASA has just tested
 that supposedly violates Newton's Laws of Motion. It turns out that the EMF
 field used in the engine pushes against the virtual particles in the
 vacuum.


 Newton's laws of motion are effectively violated unless the reaction of
these virtual particles can be observed in another way.



  This does not make the test that NASA conducted of that engine a SCAM or
 the engineers who understand what is going on morons.





At least the Church never questioned Galileo's intelligence.
 Heretic yes. Moron no.


Harry

Re: [Vo]:New Rossi Patent Appln..publishes Today

2014-11-10 Thread H Veeder

Rossi's original name for the Ecat was the energy catalyst, so the putative
catalyst might be the reactor itself. ;-)

Harry

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:50 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 See David French's analysis of Andrea Rossi's new patent application:


 http://coldfusionnow.org/andrea-rossi-2nd-us-patent-application-published-6-nov-2014-at-uspto/

 David French concludes:

 How can the best mode requirement be met when a catalyst is required and
 that catalyst is not disclosed? How could this application even have been
 filed? ... Others can search through this disclosure for ostensibly useful
 technical information, but as a patent filing this application will
 encounter great difficulties.


 With the acquisition of the technology by IH, Rossi has had the
 opportunity to avail himself of competent counsel.  At face value it seems
 he has not done so.  Or perhaps this is another play of some kind.  Things
 never seem to get boring.

 Eric

Re: [Vo]:CERN and NO Higggs Particle Nov 7 2014

2014-11-09 Thread H Veeder

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 It has been my suspicion all along that these guys jumped to a conclusion
 much too quickly.  I thing of someone finding a 16 pound weight and
 announcing that they have found a bowling ball.  Until the true
 interactions of a particle are established no one can be confident in what
 they find.  This is a sad chapter in the long sorry story of established
 science.  I hope that one day the system can be improved.


It was uncharacteristic of the Nobel committee to issue a prize so soon
after a discovery, but I think they were taken in by the grandiosity of
the project.

harry

Re: [Vo]:Re: COP of 3 is a problem for electrical - Thermal

2014-11-05 Thread H Veeder

We also don't know the pretest history of the ecat unit that was presented
to the Lugano testers.
We have no idea if a certain amount of energy must be fed to the ecat
before it is ready for testing.


Harry


On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Waaaitaminute.

 That doesn't make sense.   If he's looking into gas to power the system,
 than why not use another eCat?   Surely his eCats can provide the same
 level of heat that gas can.

 In which case, he would have a system with unlimited COP.

 Something doesn't add up here.

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Interesting posts on e-cat world lately.   It's a good point.  If coal is
 so cheap, than a cop of 3:1 for electricity - thermal isn't going to cut
 it.

 They're are going to need to be able to power the cat by coal itself or
 gas and get a 3:1 thermal - thermal ratio.

[Vo]:Can the wave function of an electron be divided and trapped?

2014-11-04 Thread H Veeder


Can the wave function of an electron be divided and trapped?
https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/10/electron

https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/10/electron

October 28, 2014   Contact: Kevin Stacey   401-863-3766
Electrons are elementary particles — indivisible, unbreakable. But new
research suggests the electron's quantum state — the electron wave function
— can be separated into many parts. That has some strange implications for
the theory of quantum mechanics.

PROVIDENCE, R.I. [Brown University] — New research by physicists from Brown
University puts the profound strangeness of quantum mechanics in a nutshell
— or, more accurately, in a helium bubble.

Experiments led by Humphrey Maris, professor of physics at Brown, suggest
that the quantum state of an electron — the electron’s wave function — can
be shattered into pieces and those pieces can be trapped in tiny bubbles of
liquid helium. To be clear, the researchers are not saying that the
electron can be broken apart. Electrons are elementary particles,
indivisible and unbreakable. But what the researchers are saying is in some
ways more bizarre.

In quantum mechanics, particles do not have a distinct position in space.
Instead, they exist as a wave function, a probability distribution that
includes all the possible locations where a particle might be found. Maris
and his colleagues are suggesting that parts of that distribution can be
separated and cordoned off from each other.

“We are trapping the chance of finding the electron, not pieces of the
electron,” Maris said. “It’s a little like a lottery. When lottery tickets
are sold, everyone who buys a ticket gets a piece of paper. So all these
people are holding a chance and you can consider that the chances are
spread all over the place. But there is only one prize — one electron — and
where that prize will go is determined later.”

If Maris’s interpretation of his experimental findings is correct, it
raises profound questions about the measurement process in quantum
mechanics. In the traditional formulation of quantum mechanics, when a
particle is measured — meaning it is found to be in one particular location
— the wave function is said to collapse.

“The experiments we have performed indicate that the mere interaction of an
electron with some larger physical system, such as a bath of liquid helium,
does not constitute a measurement,” Maris said. “The question then is: What
does?”

And the fact that the wave function can be split into two or more bubbles
is strange as well. If a detector finds the electron in one bubble, what
happens to the other bubble?

It really raises all kinds of interesting questions, Maris said.

The new research is published in the Journal of Low Temperature Physics
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10909-014-1224-3
 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10909-014-1224-3.



Electron bubbles

Scientists have wondered for years about the strange behavior of electrons
in liquid helium cooled to near absolute zero. When an electron enters the
liquid, it repels surrounding helium atoms, forming a bubble in the liquid
about 3.6 nanometers across. The size of the bubble is determined by the
pressure of the electron pushing against the surface tension of the helium.
The strangeness, however, arises in experiments dating back to the 1960s
looking at how the bubbles move.

In the experiments, a pulse of electrons enters the top of a helium-filled
tube, and a detector registers the electric charge delivered when electron
bubbles reach the bottom of the tube. Because the bubbles have a
well-defined size, they should all experience the same amount of drag as
they move, and should therefore arrive at the detector at the same time.
But that’s not what happens. Experiments have detected unidentified objects
that reach the detector before the normal electron bubbles. Over the years,
scientists have cataloged 14 distinct objects of different sizes, all of
which seem to move faster than an electron bubble would be expected to move.

“They’ve been a mystery ever since they were first detected,” Maris said.
“Nobody has a good explanation.”

Several possibilities have been proposed. The unknown objects could be
impurities in the helium—charged particles knocked free from the walls of
the container. Another possibility is that the objects could be helium ions
— helium atoms that have picked up one or more extra electrons, which
produce a negative charge at the detector.

But Maris and his colleagues, including Nobel laureate and Brown physicist
Leon Cooper, believe a new set of experiments puts those explanations to
rest.


New experiments

The researchers performed a series of electron bubble mobility experiments
with much greater sensitivity than previous efforts. They were able to
detect all 14 of the objects from previous work, plus four additional
objects that appeared frequently over the course of the experiments. But in
addition to those 18 objects that showed up

[Vo]:Energy is not conserved

Energy is not conserved

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/

quote 

I like to think that, if I were not a professional cosmologist, I would
still find it hard to believe that hundreds of cosmologists around the
world have latched on to an idea that violates a bedrock principle of
physics, simply because they “forgot” it. If the idea of dark energy were
in conflict with some other much more fundamental principle, I suspect the
theory would be a lot less popular.

But many people have just this reaction. It’s clear that cosmologists have
not done a very good job of spreading the word about something that’s been
well-understood since at least the 1920′s: energy is not conserved in
general relativity. (With caveats to be explained below.)

The point is pretty simple: back when you thought energy was conserved,
there was areason why you thought that, namely time-translation invariance.
A fancy way of saying “the background on which particles and forces evolve,
as well as the dynamical rules governing their motions, are fixed, not
changing with time.” But in general relativity that’s simply no longer
true. Einstein tells us that space and time are dynamical, and in
particular that they can evolve with time. *When the space through which
particles move is changing, the total energy of those particles is not
conserved*.


Harry

[Vo]:Universe older than it looks

Universe older than it looks

http://phys.org/news/2014-10-universe-older.html

When astronomers (Bond 2013) first dated the star HD 140283, which lies a
mere 190 lightyears from Earth in the constellation of Libra, they were
puzzled. This rare, star appeared to be rather ancient and was quickly
nicknamed the Methuselah star. It is a metal-poor sub-giant with an
apparent magnitude of 7.223. The star had been known for a century or so as
a high-velocity star, but its presence in our solar neighborhood and its
composition were at odds with theory. Moreover, HD140283 wasn't just an
oddity from at the dawn of the Universe, formed short time after the Big
Bang. Rather, it seems to be some 14.46 billion years old… which makes it
older than the Universe itself, currently estimated to be 13.817 billion
years old (estimated from the cosmic microwave background radiation).

Of course, it was ultimately revealed that the error margins on estimating
the age of the Methuselah star were in fact much wider than the original
research suggested, the astronomers add a margin of 800 million years. The
error bars could have it a lot younger, which makes it among the earliest
known stellar objects in the Universe, but certainly within the boundaries
of time since the Big Bang. But, what of that upper limit on the age? Is
there a possibility that this star could somehow be as old as the original
measurements suggested but still lie this side of the Big Bang?

Writing in the International Journal of Exergy, Birol Kilkis of Baskent
University, in Ankara, Turkey, thinks so. In 2004, he introduced the
Radiating Universe Model (RUM). This intriguing concept suggests that
exergy, the energy that is available to do work and the first focus of
thermodynamics theory in the 19th Century, will flow from the Big Bang to
what Kilkis refers to a thermal sink of infinite size at absolute zero (0
Kelvin) far, far into the future. Using RUM, Kilkis calculated the age of
the universe to be 14.885 ± 0.040 billion years, which is marginally older,
in the grand scheme of things, than the microwave background estimate, but
easily accommodates the original age of HD 140283.

Interestingly, Kilkis' RUM theory gives a new dynamic value to the Hubble
constant and suggests that the expansion of the universe has been
accelerating since 4.4 billion years after the Big Bang, which may well
accommodate the notion of dark energy. Moreover, this accelerating rate of
increase is itself slowing, which in turn may be accounted for by dark
matter. Dark energy and dark matter are, as have been discussed widely,
controversial physical phenomena for which we have absolutely no
explanation whatsoever, but we do have observational evidence that suggests
they are real. In addition, RUM hints that Planck's constant is not a pure
constant at all but a cosmological variable, a point for which some
supported was reported in 2013 by Seshavatharam and Lakshminarayana.

The yet unasked-unanswered question is where the observable universe is
expanding. If the expanding universe has a mass and volume, whatever its
shape is, it must be expanding into another medium, says Kilkis. That
medium is of infinite size and lies at absolute zero, thus acting as a
thermal sink for the universe, which is a thermally radiating source lying
within the sink.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Konstantin Meyl's Potential Vortex Departure

Complex numbers may be able to reconcile the empirical observation that the
observed value for the speed of light i
s
 constant with the classical intuition that the speed of light is variable.

If the speed of light
c 
is
always 
constant from an observational standpoint
 and
 if the real component
is identified with 
c the
n the
imaginary part will remain
superfluous
. One way to ensure the imaginary component
cannot be ignored
 is to associate the observed constant value c with the magnitude of the
complex value.

Since the convention in mathematics is to use z to represent a complex
number I will rewrite what I wrote as:

z = a + ib,   |z| = sqrt( a^2 + b^2) = c

However, your question made me realize that another way to insure the
imaginary component cannot be dismissed  is to multiply c by the imaginary
number i and have that become the imaginary component and
let

the 
real part vary from zero to infinity:


z = a + ib,if c = b   then  z = a + ic,   andc = (z - a)/i


Harry





On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:40 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why would the act of measurement take the absolute value rather than,
say, the real component of the complex value?

 On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 If the speed light in a vacuum c had a real and an imaginary components
too, then the components could vary with motion but
 the measured value would appear constant and correspond to the magnitude
|c|.

 c = a + ib ,
 |c| = sqrt( a^2 + b^2) = constant

 Harry

 On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:45 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 A particularly intriguing notion of Konstantin Meyl's is that a
complex speed of light is derivable from the conventional interpretation
of the dielectric coefficient, rendering that conventional interpretation
an offense against the basic principles of physics:





http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/2P9_0930-1-piers-extended_field_theory.pdf

 This seems to be his point of departure into fringe physics his
replacement of the vector potential with his derivation of the potential
vortex.

Re: [Vo]:Energy is not conserved

The fact that two of biggest ideas in modern physics are logically
incompatible just goes to show that despite what modern physicists claim
they don't give a damn about logically inconsistency.

Harry

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow. TYVM

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:37 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Energy is not conserved


 http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/

 quote 

 I like to think that, if I were not a professional cosmologist, I would
 still find it hard to believe that hundreds of cosmologists around the
 world have latched on to an idea that violates a bedrock principle of
 physics, simply because they “forgot” it. If the idea of dark energy were
 in conflict with some other much more fundamental principle, I suspect the
 theory would be a lot less popular.

 But many people have just this reaction. It’s clear that cosmologists
 have not done a very good job of spreading the word about something that’s
 been well-understood since at least the 1920′s: energy is not conserved in
 general relativity. (With caveats to be explained below.)

 The point is pretty simple: back when you thought energy was conserved,
 there was areason why you thought that, namely time-translation invariance.
 A fancy way of saying “the background on which particles and forces evolve,
 as well as the dynamical rules governing their motions, are fixed, not
 changing with time.” But in general relativity that’s simply no longer
 true. Einstein tells us that space and time are dynamical, and in
 particular that they can evolve with time. *When the space through which
 particles move is changing, the total energy of those particles is not
 conserved*.
 

 Harry

Re: [Vo]:Energy is not conserved

Erratum

The fact that two of the biggest ideas in modern physics are logically
incompatible just goes to show that despite what modern physicists claim
they don't give a damn about logical consistency.

Harry


On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 10:46 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 The fact that two of biggest ideas in modern physics are logically
 incompatible just goes to show that despite what modern physicists claim
 they don't give a damn about logically inconsistency.

 Harry

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow. TYVM

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:37 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Energy is not conserved


 http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/

 quote 

 I like to think that, if I were not a professional cosmologist, I
 would still find it hard to believe that hundreds of cosmologists around
 the world have latched on to an idea that violates a bedrock principle of
 physics, simply because they “forgot” it. If the idea of dark energy were
 in conflict with some other much more fundamental principle, I suspect the
 theory would be a lot less popular.

 But many people have just this reaction. It’s clear that cosmologists
 have not done a very good job of spreading the word about something that’s
 been well-understood since at least the 1920′s: energy is not conserved in
 general relativity. (With caveats to be explained below.)

 The point is pretty simple: back when you thought energy was conserved,
 there was areason why you thought that, namely time-translation invariance.
 A fancy way of saying “the background on which particles and forces evolve,
 as well as the dynamical rules governing their motions, are fixed, not
 changing with time.” But in general relativity that’s simply no longer
 true. Einstein tells us that space and time are dynamical, and in
 particular that they can evolve with time. *When the space through
 which particles move is changing, the total energy of those particles is
 not conserved*.
 

 Harry

Re: [Vo]:questions on McKubre cells and AC component

2014-11-02 Thread H Veeder

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 From the point of the calorimeter heat is not absorbed since no heat
 vanishes.


 The energy does vanish! You put in X amount of electricity but only a
 fraction of X comes out. The rest goes into changing the chemical structure
 of the egg you are cooking, or the hydride you are forming (or whatever
 endothermic process is happening).


Most of the electrical energy vanishes into potential energy. No heat
energy has vanished. Instead the calorimeter registers the slight increase
in heat energy.





 Like all measuring instruments a calorimeter is incapable of doing
 anything other than it was designed to do and that consists in detecting
 changes or lack of changes in heat content. Whether or not the data it
 supplies  represents exothermic or endothermic reactions requires further
 interpretation based on additional knowledge.


 Endothermic means the reaction absorbs energy. It outputs less than you
 put in. Obviously the calorimeter tells you that is happening. It can do
 that for the same reason it tells you that a chemical or nuclear reaction
 produces *more* than you put in. It does not require any interpretation
 or additional knowledge. That's like saying you need additional knowledge
 to be sure you have gained weight when your bathroom scale says you are 10
 lbs heavier. No, you don't. The numbers are right there.


This is an incorrect analogy because weight cannot become potential weight
the way electrical energy can become potential energy. If it was possible
then you could store 9 lbs of potential weight after eating 10 lbs of food
and only gain 1 lb according to the bathroom scale.






 We can rule out this scenario for most cold fusion experiments, including
 McKubre's, because the periods when there is no heat are shorter than the
 continuous periods when there is heat. So the deficit would have to be as
 large or larger than the positive heat release.




 Whether or not an excess heat event is long or short is relative to when
 the accounting period begins.
 Does he include the time and energy spent loading?


 The balance is zero during loading, except the initial phase when the
 palladium loads a significant amount of hydrogen.

 As I said, there are no quiescent periods long enough to store energy
 below the level of detection, and during the exothermic periods far more
 energy comes out than any mechanism can store in chemical reactions.


An unknown method might exist for the storage of energy far beyond what
chemistry can do. I suggested the conversion of energy into mass as one
possibility.  Perhaps a variant of the newly discovered MIMS bond is
capable of storing enough energy. (A MIMS bond can store 1000 times the
energy of conventional chemical bond but they are too short lived to be
useful in the context.
)





 The calorimeter doesn't tell you there is a deficit.


 Of course it does! That's what it is for.



   The only thing it tells you is how much and how quickly the heat
 content of the system changes.The deficit is an *interpretation* of this
 raw data.


 Since you measure input electricity as well as output heat, you can see
 there is a balance, a deficit or an excess.


 To repeat, unless the temperature falls a calorimeter by itself cannot
 tell you if an endothermic process has occurred.


 No, the temperature does not need to fall. When it does not rise as much
 as it does when all input energy converts to heat, you know you have an
 endothermic reaction.


It is only by using another instrument to measure the input that you are
able to infer from the calorimeter's measure of the output that the
reaction was endothermic. That inference is made by you and not by the
calorimeter.




 Imagine you shovel 20 kg of coal into a 1 kg container. You then weigh the
 container. If it weighs 25 kg you have magically created excess mass. It
 weighs only 15 kg you have destroyed mass. That cannot happen with mass but
 it happens all the time with energy going into a system, for example when
 you cook eggs, charge up a battery, or strike a match (endothermic,
 endothermic, exothermic). The whole point of a calorimeter is to measure
 the energy balance in such reactions.



 You need additional information to interpret the meaning of the lack of
 rise in temperature .


 Well, you have to know how the temperature reflects the power, but that is
 the same knowledge you need to characterize an exothermic reaction.

 I suggest you read a book about calorimetry, such as Hemminger and Hohne,
 which I spent a few hours cribbing from yesterday.



Since it is a textbook it deals with known science and it won't have a
chapter on unknown methods of energy storage.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Konstantin Meyl's Potential Vortex Departure

2014-11-01 Thread H Veeder

If the speed light in a vacuum c had a real and an imaginary components
too, then the components could vary with motion but
the measured value would appear constant and correspond to the magnitude
|c|.

c = a + ib ,   |c| = sqrt( a^2 + b^2) = constant

Harry

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:45 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:

 A particularly intriguing notion of Konstantin Meyl's is that a complex
 speed of light is derivable from the conventional interpretation of the
 dielectric coefficient, rendering that conventional interpretation an
 offense against the basic principles of physics:





 http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/2P9_0930-1-piers-extended_field_theory.pdf

 This seems to be his point of departure into fringe physics his
 replacement of the vector potential with his derivation of the potential
 vortex.

Re: [Vo]:A new type of laser is born?

2014-10-29 Thread H Veeder

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Robert Ellefson vortex-h...@e2ke.com
wrote:



 In any case, I really do not wield the depth of knowledge in chemistry or
 physics to proclaim particular reactions as being correct or not, I am
 simply trying to apply match what may be possible with what has been
 observed.  I think the unusual and dynamic nature of this system requires
 that we consider reaction pathways that lie outside of
 previously-characterized reaction domains.  For me, a prime example of this
 is the recently-released work from YK Bae on MIMS.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metastable_Innershell_Molecular_State

Metastable Innershell Molecular State (MIMS) is a class of
ultra-high-energy short-lived molecules have the binding energy up to 1,000
times larger and bond length up to 100 times smaller than typical
molecules. MIMS is formed by inner-shell electrons that are normally
resistant to molecular formation. However, in stellar conditions, the
inner-shell electrons become reactive to form molecular structures (MIMS)
from combinations of all elements in the periodic table.
MIMS upon dissociation can emit x-ray photons with energies up to 100 keV
at extremely high conversion efficiencies from compression energy to photon
energy. MIMS is predicted to exist and dominate radiation processes in
extreme astrophysical environments, such as large planet cores, star
interiors and black hole surroundings. There, MIMS is predicted to enable
highly energy-efficient transformation of the stellar compression energy
into the radiation energy.



MIMS can be also formed with two different elements.[18] Currently, such
heteronucleus MIMS formed with H+ and He+ with other elements are proposed
to be observed in H+ and He+ impact on a range of solids. Based on Equation
of States (EOS) of materials,[6][7] it can be predicted that pressures
required to form homonucleus L-shell MIMS are on the order of 100 Mbar (10
TPa), while homonucleus K-shell MIMS on the order of 10 – 100 Gbar (1,000 –
10,000 TPa). Pressures required to form heteronucleus MIMS are predicted to
be considerably smaller than that for homonucleus MIMS.


Harry

Re: [Vo]:questions on McKubre cells and AC component

2014-10-29 Thread H Veeder

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:


 Unless heat is absorbed during charging and is released during discharge
 a calorimeter can't tell you if an endothermic reaction occurred.


 The heat being absorbed is the definition of an endothermic reaction.
 That's exactly what it is. Even if the energy is not subsequently released,
 you can still see the deficit during the storage phase. That is to say, if
 you were to charge up a battery but not later discharge it, then you would
 see a deficit with no compensating exothermic reaction following that. When
 you removed the battery from the calorimeter it would be fully charged up.


From the point of the calorimeter heat is not absorbed since no heat
vanishes. Like all measuring instruments a calorimeter is incapable of
doing anything other than it was designed to do and that consists in
detecting changes or lack of changes in heat content. Whether or not the
data it supplies  represents exothermic or endothermic reactions requires
further interpretation based on additional knowledge.



 The only exception to this would be if the endothermic phase occurs over a
 very long time and the deficit is very small. It might be too small to
 detect with a given calorimeter. It might then be released as a short
 burst. We can rule out this scenario for most cold fusion experiments,
 including McKubre's, because the periods when there is no heat are shorter
 than the continuous periods when there is heat. So the deficit would have
 to be as large or larger than the positive heat release.




Whether or not an excess heat event is long or short is relative to when
the accounting period begins.
Does he include the time and energy spent loading?




 You also need a-priori knowledge of how the energy is stored.


 No, you don't. Energy is energy. All energy in all forms is either stored
 or it converts to heat. Because entropy.


The calorimeter doesn't tell you there is a deficit.  The only thing it
tells you is how much and how quickly the heat content of the system
changes.The deficit is an *interpretation* of this raw data.





 The calorimeter by itself only tells you that there was a mildly
 exothermic reaction followed by more intense exothermic reaction.


 No, the two would have to balance in intensity if they were roughly of the
 same duration. As I said in most cases endothermic phase would have to be
 shorter so it would be more intense and easier to measure.




 Charging a battery is endothermic because it absorbs *electrical* energy,
 not because it absorbs *heat* energy.


 Other reactions that absorb heat energy (or any other form or source of
 energy) show a similar pattern in a calorimeter. For example, reactions
 that absorb laser light energy will also show a deficit -- assuming you
 measure the laser input correctly, which can be tricky.


To repeat, unless the temperature falls a calorimeter by itself cannot tell
you if an endothermic process has occurred. You need additional information
to interpret the meaning of the lack of rise in temperature .





 A battery happens to be a convenient way to demonstrate this but any
 endothermic reaction will do.



 If a calorimeter were good at detecting all types of endothermic
 reactions then you could substitute them for volt meters.


 Well, a watt meter, not a volt meter. Yes, you can, and the instrument
 makers do. All high-quality, high-powered wattmeters use calorimetry. That
 is to say the heat up a resistor wired in series with the load, measure the
 temperature and convert that to power. This method eliminates any
 possibility of exotic waveforms or extremely rapid changes in electric
 power being missed by the instrument. This method detects every joule of
 electricity, no matter what.


Of course, but you need to know what is causing the temperature change.

harry

Re: [Vo]:MFMP interviews spokesman from WILLIAMSON

2014-10-26 Thread H Veeder

Use both as a cross check.

harry

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Robert Dorr rod...@comcast.net wrote:


 As to whether a spot pyrometer is more accurate than an IR camera, I think
 depends on their use. For small area or pin point measurement I agree that
 a spot pyrometer may be more accurate, but for large or gross measurement I
 think the IR camera would be just as accurate if not more so. I think that
 there is no problem using the IR cameras for accurate measurement of the
 temperature of the Rossi ecat as long as the cameras were calibrated
 properly.

 Robert Dorr


 At 10:16 PM 10/25/2014, you wrote:

 Hank Mills transcript :
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WNDVQVEhmUjJ4ek0/view

 But it's still not clear whether they should use 8-14u or 2.5u

 In any case, their spot pyrometer is most likely more accurate.

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Re: [Vo]:questions on McKubre cells and AC component

2014-10-25 Thread H Veeder

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:


 Scott Little showed a beautiful example of this once. He put a
 rechargeable battery into a calorimeter and charged it up. There was a
 deficit comparing electricity to the rising temperature. Then he discharged
 the battery through a resister in the cell. All the lost energy came back.
 The balance was close to zero.



 Was the temperature of the water in the calorimeter rising during
 charging?


 I don't recall. It was a long time ago. Anyway, it was less than it would
 have been if all the electricity had converted to heat. Some of it did
 convert convert to heat, but there was a deficit.

 - Jed





Unless heat is absorbed during charging and is released during discharge a
calorimeter can't tell you if an endothermic reaction occurred. You also
need a-priori knowledge of how the energy is stored. The calorimeter by
itself only tells you that there was a mildly exothermic reaction followed
by more intense exothermic reaction.

Charging a battery is endothermic because it absorbs *electrical* energy,
not because it absorbs *heat* energy. If a calorimeter were good at
detecting all types of endothermic reactions then you could substitute them
for volt meters. Heat is a form of energy and although energy cannot be
destroyed (according to CoE principle) heat can be destroyed by converting
it into another form of energy. Note that the terms endothermic and
exothermic are used in a way that supersedes their original meaning of
absorbing or releasing *heat*.


Harry

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni Self-Enrichment

2014-10-25 Thread H Veeder

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

 Stefano Landi:

 1) in your conference in Italy you said about a procedure of Ni isotop
 enrichment. Is this in agreement what the results of the Itp report? The
 amount of Ni isotopes before the run do not seem enriched as compared to
 the natural Ni isotopes composition

 Rossi:

 1- At those times I could not say other than what I said, due to IP
 constraints. As a matter of fact, the enrichment system is the process made
 by means of the ECat. Nevertheless, the results from the test have gone
 well Beyond what we found before during our internal RD. As I said, now we
 are studying how to reconcile, but during these last days we arrived to
 understand possible explications; much more study is necessary, though.


In the Lugano report the material inserted into the reactor was called the
fuel before the run and the ash after the run. These labels imply the
source of energy is located in this material as if it were acting like a
pellet of uranium fuel in a fission reactor. I get the impression that
these labels may be misleading which is why he speaks about an enrichment
system. The enrichment process provides evidence that nuclear activity can
or does occur inside the ECat and it might enable the generation of energy.

Harry



 - - --

 So maybe the hotcat wasn't running OUT of fuel at 32 days : it had
 completed the Ni isotope conversion (to a greater degree than Rossi
 expected), and was then running at peak efficiency?

 This could explain the improvement in efficiency over the first half, when
 the input power could be reduced.

[Vo]:MFMP interviews spokesman from WILLIAMSON

MFMP interviews a spokesman for the company Williamson which specializes in
non-contact temperature measurement. They discuss the problem of measuring
the temperature of Alumina at higher temperatures.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3O3bSu6N7vwcDJUWGl1Y0pmTWs/edit?pli=1
(15 min. audio only must be downloaded to listen)

Harry

Re: [Vo]:questions on McKubre cells and AC component

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:

 If this is purely in reference to the 3% gain chronicled by McKubre years
 ago in the old [EPRI] report, we already know that might be an ambiguous
 result . . .


 McKubre never reported a 3% gain. Even with his calorimeter that would be
 in the margin of error at the bottom of the scale, although he can detect
 the difference between, say, 40% and 43%. As I recall, McKubre reported
 gains ranging from 20% to 300% with input power, and infinity without input
 power, in heat after death. He once remarked that for the entire run, the
 gain was ~3%. I wish he had not said that. It is a meaningless number. It
 is like reporting the average speed of your car including the times it is
 parked, or waiting at a red light. The only meaningful number for gain or
 COP is when excess heat is clearly present.

 The effect of bubbles in electrochemical cells is well understood and it
 has been easy to observe at least since oscilloscopes were invented. It
 cannot possibly produce an error on this scale. Not even 1%. People who
 speculate about such things have read nothing and know nothing.

 This notion is somewhat similar to the claim that cells might be storing
 chemical energy and releasing it. Ignorant skeptics come up with this
 several times a year. You need only glance at the data to establish that:
 1. Nothing is being stored; there are no endothermic phases, and 2.
 Continuous, uninterrupted bursts of heat far exceed the limits of
 chemistry. A calorimeter can detect an endothermic reaction as well as it
 can detect an exothermic reaction. If this was chemical storage, the
 endothermic phases would show up as clearly as the exothermic phases that
 follow them, and the two would balance. This is exactly what you see for
 the small amount of energy that is stored and release by palladium hydrides.

 - Jed


Photosynthesis is an endothermic reaction but instead of absorbing heat
energy it absorbs light energy.
I doubt a calorimeter would detect that.

I did not mention this to lend credence to the endothermic explanation
because as you point out the energy stored stored would still only be
chemical in magnitude.
I mention it because endothermic nuclear reactions might play a role in the
production of excess heat.

Harry

Harry

[Vo]:OT: Fire From Ice

...you can see it is getting very optically clear...
Ice Fire Pt 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owF15LQT78o

...and there you have it, fire from ice!
Ice Fire Pt 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rL8Nt73gpY

Harry

Re: [Vo]:questions on McKubre cells and AC component

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:


 Photosynthesis is an endothermic reaction but instead of absorbing heat
 energy it absorbs light energy.
 I doubt a calorimeter would detect that.


 The light source would have to be inside the calorimeter to affect the
 process, so yes, it would detect the energy from the light. All energy
 converts to heat. Unless the calorimeter was made of glass the light would
 not escape. (Some calorimeters are made of glass. Some have glass windows.)

 - Jed



Ok so you can design a calorimeter to detect this particular endothermic
reaction, however, if you don't know a-priori what type of endothermic
reaction or what energy source is involved a standard calorimeter might
fail to detect it.

Harry

Re: [Vo]:questions on McKubre cells and AC component

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:


 Photosynthesis is an endothermic reaction but instead of absorbing heat
 energy it absorbs light energy.
 I doubt a calorimeter would detect that.


 The light source would have to be inside the calorimeter to affect the
 process, so yes, it would detect the energy from the light. All energy
 converts to heat. Unless the calorimeter was made of glass the light would
 not escape. (Some calorimeters are made of glass. Some have glass windows.)

 - Jed



 Ok so you can design a calorimeter to detect this particular endothermic
 reaction, however, if you don't know a-priori what type of endothermic
 reaction or what energy source is involved a standard calorimeter might
 fail to detect it.

 Harry


Another potential problem is that a calorimeter designed to detect an
exothermic reaction might prevent an unknown endothermic reaction which is
a prerequisite for the exothermic reaction. 

Harry

[Vo]:Protons Hog the Momentum in Neutron-Rich Nuclei