RE: [Vo]:How the Holmlid mechanism works
Could it really be that simple? From: Axil Axil There is a formal analogy between the Higgs mechanism and superconductivity. The historical record provides ample evidence that analogies between superconductivity and particle physics played an important heuristic role in the development of the Higgs model. But what has recently hit my hot button was the possibility that this analogy may be more than a formal one but actually a physical one. The Mexican hat potential and spontaneous symmetry breaking are present in both these mechanisms. It has recently been discovered that irradiating a superconductor with a laser will generate polaritons which inherit their Mexican hat potential from their superconducting electron feedstock. A highly probable slow light mixing cavity will maximize the light/matter quasiparticle environment that surrounds the superconductor. It has been experimentally verified that the polaritons that are produced by the superconductor will generate a tachyonic Higgs field. These quasiparticles are called cavity Higgs polaritons. This serendipity opens up a physical platform where Spontaneous symmetry breaking, Bose condensation, the Higgs field, and tachyonic condensation open up the door to a realization of the predictions of string theory such as black strings and bubbles of metastable AdS space. Generating a metastable bubble of AdS space would enable the possible experimental production of topological vortex-like defects such as the 'tHooft-Polyakov monopole. Furthermore, the radius of curvature of anti de Sitter space provides an extra length scale that could allow the study of the equations of motion in a limit where the masses of the Higgs field and the massive vector bosons are both vanishing. This alone might allow the study of how matter and forces behave in a new AdS based universe let alone allow for the availability of an experimental platform on which many of the posits of string theory can be physically tested in a real world rooted experimental system. This analogy explains how the Holmlid mechanism works. In the AdS bubble, the Higgs field is disabled which allows the black string to convert matter to energy. The energy is then transferred to the AdS environment which surrounds the black string where matter reforms in a new configuration. This discussion about tachyon condensation provides theoretical context on how an AdS bubble is structured and how that bubble decomposes and reforms matter. https://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/chord18/tachycond/rm/jwvideo.html
[Vo]:New drug for COVID
A local group here at UCSF has identified and tested what appears to an especially promising candidate for COVID which is 30 times more potent than remdesivir, the drug that seemed to be so effective in a number of high profile cases last year. It is an anti-cancer drug that kills the coronavirus but is not yet approved for this use. The new peer-reviewed research, published in the journal Science, highlights the drug called Aplidin, which was originally extracted from a marine creature called Aplidium albicans — a rare type of “sea squirt”… The drug is patented and in use already for some cancers - and it will not be cheaply available or widespread in the USA unless well placed scientists like Fauci takes notice.
[Vo]:Well funded LENR company … merger
WTF – mystery company in LENR and many other renewables. Large capitalization or is it hype?? Sounds fishy. But if they really are legit – the Salt Lake City address could relate to the legacy of P/F in some way https://www.streetinsider.com/OTC+PR+Wire/Gaensel+Completes+Acquisition+of+65%25+of+Renewable+Energy+Powerhouse+Simeti+Group+Limited+and+Implementation+of+its+One+Hundred+Million+USD+%28%24100%2C000%2C000%29+Finance+Program+for+Funding+Investment+and+Act/17846429.html
RE: [Vo]:Anomalous loading of H2
I have not seen reference to such a computer model, but It would be even more interesting if the electron spacing was deeply compressed – IOW the molecule is indeed a densified superhydride. This paper indicates that there is an atomic sublattice which should be highly densified, https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019APS..MARB17003S/abstract Apparently from the first paper, the bond energy is strongest for CeH4 which is not a superhydride, just a hydride. If one believes in an expansive version of Holmlid’s work, then the atomic sublattice of Cerium superhydride could be a substitute target for proton disintegration by laser pulse. This would be of interest commercial interest to Norront. From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com The computer model for Ce-hydride would be interesting. Do the H’s pair up like electrons do? What is their separation? HOW DO TTHEIR MAGNETIC MOMENRS OVERLAP/ATTRACT? Bob Ciik From: Jones Beene Bob Cerium is the most common lanthanide and is actually inexpensive in quantity. The prime application for the so-called "superhydrides" like CeH9+ seems to be superconductivity. However the extremely high "loading" could indicate LENR is facilitated.Pd only goes to 1:1 Here is an article of interest that uses Ce at "only" 9:1 loading. Scientists create 'impossible' superconductor CeH9 after bending the rules of chemistry Scientists create 'impossible' superconductor CeH9 after bending the rul... By managing to capture a cerium atom in a lattice of 29 hydrogen atoms, the researchers say they have bent the r... bobcook wrote: Ce is more valuable than most metals IMHO. Nano particles of Ce and H or D may allow fusion to occur or otter t transmutations. The NASNO particle may be an entangled system can under go a phase change with a swap of potential for kenotic energy and conservation of spin and angular momentum. From: Jones Beene This seems quite remarkable if true - hydrogen loading ratio 16:1 with cerium "Insight into anomalous hydrogen adsorption" Shreeja Das, et al Hydrogen interaction with metal atoms is of prime focus for many energy related applications... but its binding properties with lanthanides are not well reported. In this article, by density functional theory studies, we show how a rare earth metal, cerium, binds with hydrogen... Each cerium atom is found to bind eight hydrogen molecules which is a much higher number than has been reported for transition metal atoms. DOI: 10.1039/D0RA01835J (Paper) RSC Adv., 2020, 10, 12929-12940
[Vo]:The complete hydrogen home - a reality
This setup is beyond the abilities of most home owners, but it shows that the ultimate goal of off-grid and complete energy self-sufficiency is reachable using available technology. Next comes making it more feasible for the masses … especially getting rid of all those propane tanks https://youtu.be/qr7bRSbwfIg https://hydrogenhouseproject.org/mike-strizkis-bio.html Imagine the possibility of going beyond solar produced hydrogen to being able to make and use dense hydrogen.
RE: [Vo]:Re: merry Christmas
Jürg “no longer able to work” could be misleading - since it implies a long term problem. It is not clear if this category (~3 percent) is anything more than a passing phenomenon – except for the few cases with extreme allergic reaction, of course. Recipients should be screened for history of allergies. The slides do no indicate if the negative effect of the injection was anything more than temporary – could be hours days or who knows? After all, the injection is stored at extremely low temperature and the human body is not accustomed to being injected with super cold fluid. BTW – does anyone know how cold the vaccine is at the moment of injection? Presumably it is warmed up a bit. More information is needed. From: Jürg Wyttenbach Not so happy Christmas for some... Pfizer vaccine seems to be high risk! Look at CDC presentation slide 6** column explained below: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf 3% were no longer able to work afterwards... Effectively Pfizer cheated the world by not doing any reasonable risk follow on the test group. (Get your copy of the Pfizer report! and read!) J.W. On 22.12.2020 03:02, Frank Znidarsic wrote: opps wrong URL correct below https://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/ViolinXmass.mp4 -- Jürg Wyttenbach Bifangstr. 22 8910 Affoltern am Albis +41 44 760 14 18 +41 79 246 36 06
RE: [Vo]:BLP really "bombs out" this time
Neutron activation The interesting question is this – can dense hydrogen substitute for the neutron? i.e. “the virtual neutron” From: Robin In reply to JonesBeene's message: >Silver is very easily activated. That is one of its uses in industry. What sort of activation are you referring to here? [snip]
RE: [Vo]:BLP really "bombs out" this time
Although the top tier claims of Mills’ IP portfolio are old and have now expired, he still must present a technology to investors which is ostensibly non-nuclear. It is very likely that the silver he was using became activated over time – despite all efforts to avoid that situation. Silver is very easily activated. That is one of its uses in industry. From: Robin In reply to Jürg Wyttenbach's >I personally do not understand why we (Mills) only wants to >produce H*-H* when in cold fusion this step is the most complicated one... Mills wants nothing to do with CF. I suspect because it has a bad reputation according to the mainstream.
RE: [Vo]:superluminal mind
From: Sean Logan ➢ Tell me more about this "Longitudinal Wave"? Can you show me equations, or point me to papers? Last night, out of the blue, an engineer started telling me about this same thing. He showed me a pair of equations from his paper, but asked me not to publish them because they are export restricted. There are dozens of papers out there due to Tesla worship. Many are bogus. Some are brilliant but speculative - I cannot say I understand the concept very well. Try: “Longitudinal Waves in Electromagnetism - Toward a Consistent Theory” Slobodan Nedic https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339747101_Longitudinal_Waves_in_Electromagnetism_Towards_Consistent_Framework_for_Tesla%27s_Energy_and_Information_Transmission_along_w_Energy_Harvesting This group has amended Maxwell’s equations and seems fairly believable. There are decent references at the end. There are also papers behind paywalls. And in Infinite Energy.
[Vo]:And you thought this was already a crazy year...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6iE62jovMo
RE: [Vo]:Do opposites always attract?
Is a diamagnet the “opposite” of a magnet? If so, then the anwer is no. There is no dipolar attraction force with diamagnetism at all - for reasons that are not well understood other than the obvious lack of poles.. In one sense, you could ask “why do force fields such as diamagnetism always repel and never attract”? Here is a simple visual test showing that indeed there is a slight repelling effect even with water which is slightly diamagnetic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyqOTJOJSoU I would like to see this done with a large chunk of bismuth instead of a PM. The repel would be less but the assumption is that it is there. The larger question is this – since magnetism is dipolar, and diamagnetism is its opposite, why is symmetry lost and diamagnetism is never dipolar? From: H LV Coulomb's law -- like the notion of absolute zero -- is based on an extrapolation. It is possible that the rule of repulsion between like charges and the rule of attraction between opposite charges does not hold for very small scales. Instead, suppose the relationship between certain charge combinations was the net effect of two underlying attractive and repulsive tendencies. Ordinarily for opposite charges this would manifest as a net attraction above a certain distance and for similar charges as a net repulsion above a certain distance. Below a certain distance opposite charges would become more repulsive and similar charges would become more attractive. This new rule would not alter the identity of the charge, i.e. it does not violate charge conservation. Harry
RE: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen
Has anyone here seen the vials of supposed hydrinos that Mills used to show at conferences? Were they ever tested independently? He seems to have given up that gimmick (perhaps at the advice of his lawyer)…One wonders what materials would bind to dense hydrogen or even if the material could be contained at all. If H* is dense and chemically inert (except with other H*) then a natural source on earth would be unlikely to have been found in the past. Any atoms of it which were created would essentially sink since no natural elements should be capable to contain the H* for long, given its compactness and density. Unless the species turns up in biology then it seems that there is essentially no normal place for it to accumulate. Its density insures that it should preferentially move towards the center of earth with no means of stopping it except for weak diamagnetism -- Assuming that it is diamagnetic like hydrogen According to Mills, the solar corona is a vast factory for making dense hydrogen. In all of these Vortex posts, the various theories of dense hydrogen have been intentionally conflated and the name ‘hydrino’ is seldom used - since most of the theorists now seem to agree that the single densest state is the only one which fits into theory seamlessly and not the stepwise progression of Mills with its 137 steps is counter-productive. At any rate, if millions of tons per day of the stuff are being made in the solar corona and then finding it way to earth via the “solar wind” and collecting in the oceans of earth then it might be possible to work backwards to find a natural biological repository and then look there.. The best candidate I can think of would involve the lifeforms around the deep ocean vents. Maybe the mussel shells found there are high density and self-heating • If hydrinos are just more stable versions of isolated hydrogen atoms they should have been discovered in hydrogen gas using old technology many decades ago. But this is just a strawman argument against their existence. Harry What old technology, exactly, would have discovered them? That is an intriguing path to follow BTW it could be a “fundable” inquiry involving a deeper look at old data.. should anyone here be looking for a new project. H* would have almost the same mass as hydrogen - but would be so much denser that it probably cannot react chemically in the same way, so they are relatively inert. For instance, there is unlikely to be found in nature a form of water where one of the protons is replaced with dense hydrogen as this could present a charge imbalance. It would be worth the effort to find the most likely place dense hydrogen should be found in nature (assuming it is real) My guess is that it would be in biological lifeforms which use it for survival, somehow. Jones Look for abnormally high energetic emissions from a hot hydrogen gas. That would be evidence of hydrogen relaxing below the ground state. The probability of the formation of hydrinos in an ideal gas would be very low.. However, I think the probability might increase as the gas got cooler. This would be in contrast with the probability of fusion increasing as the temperature of the gas increased. Harry It might be better to look for unusual absorption lines in a cold gas of hydrogen. This would indicate the hydrino atom was there but changed back into an ordinary hydrogen atom by absorbing energy. Jürg
RE: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen
➢ If hydrinos are just more stable versions of isolated hydrogen atoms they should have been discovered in hydrogen gas using old technology many decades ago. But this is just a strawman argument against their existence. Harry What old technology, exactly, would have discovered them? That is an intriguing path to follow BTW it could be a “fundable” inquiry involving a deeper look at old data.. should anyone here be looking for a new project. H* would have almost the same mass as hydrogen - but would be so much denser that it probably cannot react chemically in the same way, so they are relatively inert. For instance, there is unlikely to be found in nature a form of water where one of the protons is replaced with dense hydrogen as this could present a charge imbalance. It would be worth the effort to find the most likely place dense hydrogen should be found in nature (assuming it is real) My guess is that it would be in biological lifeforms which use it for survival, somehow. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Concerning sub states of hydrogen
From: H LV ➢ Mills says his hydrino model of a below ground state hydrogen atom is stable. However, if hydrinos were stable they should be more common than ordinary hydrogen atoms which is not the case. Therefore, if below ground states of hydrogen atoms can exist I think it is more likely that such an atom is typically less stable than its above ground state counterpart and a special environment is needed to favour the formation of such a 'cold atom'. Harry This is the beauty of the further related hypothesis, also espoused by Holmlid, Mills and others… Which is basically this: dense hydrogen = dark matter This solves the precise problem you mention on the universal scale. Now there is far more dark matter (dense hydrogen)than primordial hydrogen and this is indicative of eons of densification of light hydrogen followed by accumulation as dark matter. IOW billions of years ago there was much more hydrogen and much less of what is now dark matter.
[Vo]:CDC statistical dashboard on Covid
For the numbers geeks out there – this imbedded statistical applet can be of interest- although it is a bit clunky to use. This is generally always the case with useful but complex data sets. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm#dashboard There are weird and unexpected trends here. Counterintuitive really. Some of the numbers do not follow the official narrative. For instance, if you look at total deaths by age breakdown, you see (as expected) that 6 months ago - older Americans were hit hard. Very hear. But even in average years older citizens are hid hardest by the winter flu season. We tend to think that this scenario has not changed in the last two months but surprise, surprise. Curious that in the last month, just as the infection rate has skyrocketed, the total death rate for older citizens has proportionately dropped down to the previous 5 year average. In fact for those in the 65-75 category – they are actually living longer that in a normal year. That is remarkable and it could well change as soon as more data is collected and the trailing edge numbers come in. To be clear, younger victims are stil far less likely to die this year compared to the past but older victims are no more likely to die (from any cause) than in previous “normal” (pre-pandemic) years and in fact may be surviving longer. Of course, this could be because a disproportionate percentage of older Americans have already died in the early months of the pandemic.
RE: [Vo]:A cup of coffee and the history of heat
From: H LV ➢ The type of "negative temperature" discussed in the article is not actually colder than absolute zero. It corresponds to something that has alot of energy so it cannot be called a heat sink. Maybe not. Firstly, any and all mass contains “a lot of energy” in one appraisal, so that characteristic alone does not make a new kind of heat sink impossible. This goes beyond semantics in a way when we get down to specifics -- since the actual energy content of dense hydrogen, for instance, must be less than the natural species – assuming that it gave up energy in order to reach a dense state. OTOH a cooling or heat sink effect could serve to slowly “reinflate” the gas, which makes it of limited usefulness but definitely a thermal anomaly True – a dense state of hydrogen does not mean that the effective “coldness” is usable in a secondary (Boyle’s Law) way but all of this is wildly speculative. Obviously, the best if not only resolution is to find a way to produce and store dense hydrogen for later use in experiments. Mills claims to have done this, and possibly Norront as well - but most observers are not convinced. If Mills could really collect hydrinos, he would have demonstrated the hydrino-battery a lone time ago. In fact, the battery could be his best application of the effect (on paper).
[Vo]:Hydrogen reburn by way of water splitting using microwaves on steam
This showed up on NextBigFuture today https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/11/microwave-water-splitting-for-breakthroughs-for-making-hydrogen-oxygen-and-fast-battery-charging.html?utm_source=feedburner_medium=feed_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29 or https://sci-hub.se/10.1038/s41560-020-00720-6 The efficiency depends on many things but what they do not consider is the most obvious implementation - the automobile and its wasted heat. Imaging your automobile exhaust system redesigned as a tubular reactor and by introducing microwaves. The steam in the exhaust is ‘ free’ so it can be split efficiently and even recombined in situ. This would make sense to drive a turbine or turbocharger with much hotter exhaust than normal while fully burning all the NOx CO and hydrocarbons. It would probably be cheaper as an add-on than the catalytic carburetor which is no loner needed. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Fire From Ice: An engineering challenge
Make that “propane fridge” … Einstein’s first patent IIRC This challenge is inspired by the title of Gene Mallove`s book "Fire From Ice"….Has this already been done? Yes. At least in the sense of a propane fringe,
RE: [Vo]:Fire From Ice: An engineering challenge
This challenge is inspired by the title of Gene Mallove`s book "Fire From Ice"….Has this already been done? Yes. At least in the sense of a propane fringe,
[Vo]:Hilarious "free energy" video on YT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9tQSHvy-Ko
RE: [Vo]:Heavy Water Production using Fungus?
Well if there is a survival advantage to concentrating deuterium, for single cell or complex organisms then by using well known techniques of selection and gene modification, one would suspect that the efficiency could increase exponentially over time. One could cover vast quantities of ocean with a blanket of cellular life which could concentrate Deuterium oxide for very low cost. It could possibly be concentrated as a lipid and used to replace gasoline, In such a situation we would need to re-evaluate technologies which have been written off before as impractical due to cost. For instance deuterated fuels in an automobile engine with the proper catalyst on the piston crown could possibly create LENR reactions in the flame. No one has tried it because no one thought deuterated fuel could be produced in a renewable low cost way. From: Terry Blanton ➢ There are also many papers dating as far back as 1933 on the biological separation of hydrogen isotopes...not necessarily mycelial, however….It certainly is feasible. Here is a 2016 paper showing the longevity of a particular fungi is increased with the uptake of deuterium oxide. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5515009/
RE: [Vo]:Acoustic demonstration of beats
The possibility of an energy anomaly based on gold plasmons from nanoparticles being irradiated by lasers –using beat frequency or not - leads to an idea for a simple low cost experiment. Gold nanoparticle colloids are available at remarkably low prices due to growing use as cure-all dietary supplements. Obviously you don’t get much gold for $20 bucks on Amazon but your don’t need much. A drop of Pure Nano Colloidal Gold in water - 2oz Bottle 240ppm .999 Gold nanoparticles (on Amazon) would be interesting when irradiated by one or more small lasers. Add a little heavy water to the colloid and who knows what will turn up? This could happen on a microscope slide for instance – if you want a close up view. Bob Higgins wrote: > Yes, the beats in the Hagelstein, Letts, and Cravens experiment are > presumably formed by this process. A thin gold film was deposited on the > cathode surface and the effect was not observed without the thin gold film. Has it been ruled out that the energy anomaly is not partly or solely due to plasmon formation alone ? > It is believed that the thin gold went down as tiny islands that were > responsible for the nonlinearity needed to form the beats. If the "islands" were in the size range of 2-12 nm, then the Casimir effect could come into play. The so-called "Wood's Anomalies" have been known for a century in various forms - and this plasmon anomaly of Hagelstein et al could be related to that. https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Chapter-2-Theory-of-Wood-%E2%80%99-s-Anomalies-Maystre/406d2c8f212c3286d85774815de62a2c75b748b8 IOW there is a possibility of actual energy gain from plasmon radiation alone which may or may not also have a nuclear effect as a secondary reaction when deuterium is present.
RE: [Vo]:Acoustic demonstration of beats
From: Robert Lee ➢ I must've missed a few classes; are you talking about creating or removing heat in a general sense, starting an atomic nuclear reaction, or simply producing energy? I joined the group last night and, obviously, missed a few emails, too. Just curious. The thread started out as vaguely related to “alternative” thermodynamics… which is probably a subset of “alternative facts.” But like so many threads here it generally revolved back around to the implications of finding a free lunch.
RE: [Vo]:Acoustic demonstration of beats
If you haven’t seen it- this entry below addresses the semantics issue, which is the bulk of the problem of cold radiation. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/193054/thermodynamics-possibility-of-cold-radiation A related and possibly more interesting problem is that of “cold electricity” which supposedly is a concept which goes back to Tesla (the guy not the car). Indeed “cold electricity” can be identified with hole carriers instead of electrons … but this is not the same as cold radiation (unless you want to define it that way)/ But if it is real, then maybe cold electricity should be called “holicity” From: Bob Higgins Could the "cold radiation" be considered something like hole carriers in a semiconductor? On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 1:29 PM H LV wrote: In my estimation Rumford's theory is the seed of an alternate theory of radiation. It could still grow and blossom into a well developed mathematical theory of heat. I am interested in beat theory because it resonants (pun intended) with Rumford`s theory of hot and cold radiation, since both involve _differences_. A beat frequency is given by the difference of two frequencies and in Rumford`s theory two types of differences are important.The first is that the relative difference in temperature between two bodies determines which body is producing more hot or more cold radiation. The second is that the sign and magnitude of the difference between the received frequency and the oscillator's frequency determines whether the radiation increases or decreases the energy of the oscillator. Harry
RE: [Vo]:Acoustic demonstration of beats
Good post, Bob
Because of this effect (Letts/Cravens) and the optical phonon addition of
Hagelstein and the Holmlid work also – it seems clear that laser irradiation
of a metal matrix is perhaps the most promising open avenue for optimizing
LENR gain.
It would be great if THz lasers were available now at reasonable cost, and
maybe they will be soon but it seems like this is the stumbling point in
progress.
I would like to see what happens if sequential THz pulsing is followed closely
in time by a UV laser pulse on the exact same area of loaded matrix.
IOW the Terahertz pulse primes the target for the much more intense radiation
which follows.
This could be a shortcut to Holmlid’s claimed proton annihilation instead of
“mere fusion. “
proton annihilation… Ha ! what a concept, almost a LOL…
… and to think it could be generally ignored by the institutionalized Fizzix
establishment …
That would be the Science Story of the century. I was hoping to hear from
Norront this year.
From: Bob Higgins
Laser stimulation of LENR cells is an interesting subject. These experiments
can probe the underlying mechanisms of LENR itself. One of the things that has
not been characterized in the laser stimulation studies is the sideband noise
of the lasers. All oscillators exhibit sideband noise. Oscillators are
nonlinear electronic/electro-optical circuits. Because of the internal high Q
cavity, the intensity of the oscillation is Q times higher than the output of
the oscillator/laser. This oscillator nonlinearity causes the noise at
baseband to beat up to form sidebands around the oscillator primary output.
Also, any noise or modulation of the cavity beats to baseband. This means that
for a 400 THz red laser, there could easily be 8-15 THz sideband energy that
will mix with the laser's main component producing 8-15 THz baseband excitation.
So, a single laser excitation is not necessarily a pure 400 THz excitation - it
could directly excite 8-15 THz phonons with its sidebands.
The dual laser experiment is important because it provides a controlled
frequency of THz beat excitation. The LENR output was found to be triggered
only by specific frequencies of the beat signal that happened to correspond to
phonon excitation.
I don't think the phonon correspondence is air-tight because no one apparently
calculates true phonon solutions for the material. If you look at the acoustic
propagation formulation, they begin by expanding the nonlinear Young's modulus
in a series. Then they throw away the nonlinear terms of the series and use a
linear representation of the Young's modulus. Because of this, true phonon
solutions will not emerge from the equations because phonons are soliton
solutions. Soliton solutions require a nonlinear medium which the present
formulations of the acoustics do not represent (by choice because they cannot
solve the nonlinear formulated equation). Yes, you can find singularities in
the solutions of the linear formulations and say that's where the phonons must
lie - but it is only an approximate guess ("thar be dragons").
JonesBeene wrote:
The beat frequency they were after was in the THz range and this was in order
to fit Hagelstein’s theory of optical phonons … and yes - small gain was seen.
However, in the earlier similar work without beat frequencies – single laser
only - much higher gain (order of magnitude more) has been reported by
Letts/Cravens.
The reproducibility was apparently better in the later experiments - but I do
not think the lower result with the beat frequency is leading anywhere.
From: H LV
Beat frequencies of two lasers irradiating a surface appear in
_Stimulation of Optical Phonons in Deuterated Palladium_ by Dennis Letts and
Peter Hagelstein
https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LettsDstimulatio.pdf
RE: [Vo]:Acoustic demonstration of beats
The beat frequency they were after was in the THz range and this was in order to fit Hagelstein’s theory of optical phonons – … and yes - small gain was seen. However, in the earlier similar work without beat frequencies – single laser only - much higher gain (order of magnitude more) has been reported by Letts/Cravens. The reproducibility was apparently better in the later experiments - but I do not think the lower result with the beat frequency is leading anywhere. From: H LV Beat frequencies of two lasers irradiating a surface appear in _Stimulation of Optical Phonons in Deuterated Palladium_ by Dennis Letts and Peter Hagelstein https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LettsDstimulatio.pdf Harry
RE: [Vo]:Acoustic demonstration of beats
Yes. For instance, if your expectation is based on emission from a stationary emitter – then “ rotational superradiance” can alter and concentrate radiation from around the equator of the rapidly spinning emitter while the polar emission will be subradiant. No gain – simply a shift. The appearance of higher amplitude sound waves could seem, at first, like a path to net gain. Dicke "superradiance is involved as well as Fermi-Pasta-Ulam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi%E2%80%93Pasta%E2%80%93Ulam%E2%80%93Tsingou_problem Could this mean that under the right conditions a body could unexpectedly radiate more of its energy in the infrared region? Harry H LV wrote: Acoustic demonstration of beats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYeV2Wq82fw This is not mentioned in the video but beats also arise and persist in a driven oscillator when no damping force is present. This happens because the driver`s frequency does not match the natural frequency of the oscillator. Beats will also initially appear in a driven oscillator when a damping force is present but they will fade away quickly. Harry
RE: [Vo]:Interstellar travel
Don’t you mean “folded space” ? That sniff has to do with the spice, IIRC From: Terry Blanton Robin wrote: > The real point I have been trying to make, is that space simply isn't empty >at long distances, so high speeds become > very difficult. This is exactly why starships travel in subspace.
RE: [Vo]:Propellantless EM drive results
I reviewed the vid again and the relative entropy issue of encoding seems de minimis for the premise. The bit is defined as a unit of Planck length which apparently assumes that some physical characteristic of space must be altered and the basic assumption is that there is symmetry in a write or erase. What is that characteristic? If one is a follower of Don Hotson – it fits into an epo model (very dense epos) where the polarity would be reversed to encode. None of the conclusions in the chart which he shows half way through are concerned with information encoding as a practical matter - so I don’t see how it matters for the operation of an EM drive.. The most interesting thing to me is that the Spanish team is pushing close to a newton of thrust with a simpler device and apparently they are going for rotation around an axis … which points to a free energy machine instead of simply a thruster. Remember the rotational anomaly of Harold Aspden? That could fit into the picture. He died a decade ago, never getting much credit. From: H LV Terry Blanton wrote: I will check the references; but, my problem with the concept is in the definition of a bit of information. A bit could be constituted by either an endothermic or an exothermic action depending on the method of storage. this looks like a novel idea! At least my google search did not find anything.
[Vo]:Propellantless EM drive results
The Shawyer EM drive is not dead but now has serious competition… using lasers. This is almost a breakthrough but has not attracted much attention so far.. https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/09/darpa-laser-version-of-emdrive-has-a-test-result-better-than-commercial-ion-drive.html?utm_source=feedburner_medium=feed_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29 Despite the negativism from skeptics (all over the Web), the EM drive concept is now approaching the status of a solid technology despite NASA dropping it. What’s with NASA dropping something like this??? Almost unforgiveable. Fortunately DARPA/ARPA did not give up and the latest results seem to be fabulous (when and if they are duplicated). Long video from Mike McCulloch https://youtu.be/341Yk4k51uY >From the Next Big Future comments: This is related to Mike McCulloch's >“quantized inertia” QI theory which itself is related yet different from the >usual Mach effect and Emdrive drama. McCulloch has a theory for inertia that predicts galaxies' rotation sans dark matter, distant binaries and other anomalies presumably without adjustment, and it has other several interesting implications. It explains the Emdrive and predicts several kinds of inertia-based drives using EM waves of different efficiencies…. To call it controversial is an understatement. In a way it is refreshing to get rid of the baggage of dark matter. It has always smelled a bit like a klutz concept… unless of course it is the “aether”
RE: [Vo]:Steinetz paper sort of about cold fusion
Maybe it’s the fish season … but this catch doesn’t smell right. On several levels. You have to laugh in a way at how wrote up a research as supposedly using Erbium and Thulium – two very rare elements. There would be zero chance of commercializing it. Even the pentagon is yawning. Could these elements instead be code names for more useful heavy metals ? But catch-22 – if you tell the truth, you never get published. National security. Proliferation, Intellectual property …etc Thalium being a code for Thorium, par example. Erbium LOL. Give me a break. From: H LV Here is an infographic https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/Lattice-Confinement-Fusion-POC-with-PRC-links-July-17-Final-3.pdf Harry
RE: [Vo]:The so-called "secret new weapon"
Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: … Dense Hydrogen. aka "Hydrino", aka H*-H* is a weak nuclear bond between two protons. It can be exactly calculated by SO(4) physics and is in full agreement with Randall Mills measurement of so called 1/4 Hydrinos Jürg The H*H* which you describe above would seem to be neutral in net charge, weakly bound and very dense, correct? Will the dense hydrogen of your model interact with the nucleus of a host metal matrix as if it were two neutrons? Is this species diamagnetic?
RE: [Vo]:Resonator shaped like a hyperbolic vortex
Very interesting. The first thought that came to mind when I saw your design, esp with the golden rule geometry -- is that it could be a more favorable wave guide than the Shawyer truncated cone (EM drive) for the purpose of directed thrust using RF. Mabye this is where your are headed but if you haven’t done so (and have a very sensitive digital scale), it could be worth the effort looking for any such small effect. NASA would love to see such a finding as they have taken some heat, so to speak, over their EM drive testing. As for power measurement, there is lots of used Bird RF meters and dummy loads out there (EBay) – but it looks like you have already tried that. Jones From: Sean Logan I built, and am experimenting with an EM resonator. Its geometry is based on the shape of a hyperbolic horn, the natural shape of a vortex in water. Please let me know if you have any insight into what is happening inside this structure, when it is excited with RF. My work is documented here: spaz.org/~magi Also, if you know of a simple circuit for measuring RF current, I am all ears. I would like to look for the "dip" in current which occurs when it is excited at its resonant frequency. Thank you, Sean Logan
RE: [Vo]:Re: Lattice Confinement Fusion
From: CB Sites Any ideas as to why they chose Erbium for the host metal? I wondered about this too. The elements is rare, costly and does not appear in the list of Mills’ catalysts (but almost any element can be contorted to be catalytic,, as Mills has repeatedly shown). The one commercial use that appears on a google search for erbium is that it is used in control rods in nuclear reactors. This means that it has a high cross-section for neutrons - which several cheaper elements have… but in this case it could be a cross-section for a specific resonance/velocity which no other (cheaper) metal has. Perhaps the ability to absorb neutrons of a particular velocity or type – and the reason it is used in control rods despite being extremely costly - relates to “virtual neutrons” as well? Or… the cynic might say … maybe it relates to not wanting replication attempts … for whatever reason.
RE: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By LatticeConfinement Fusion
Thanks Jack, There are many older half-baked ideas floating around cyberspace that should have received more attention. In particular, there is a strong… maybe very-strong missed opportunity in (not) using sodium vapor lamps as the basis of a CW laser. Maybe in the next life… Jones From: Jack Cole By "our" last experiments I mean you and I. The idea was mostly yours if I recall correctly. I don't have the site up anymore, but you can see it here: http://web.archive.org/web/20180613041630/http://lenr-coldfusion.com/ On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 7:45 PM Jones Beene wrote: Jack Cole wrote: It is also hard to not see some parallels with our last experiments (2016) with TiH2, nickel sheets, and light. Jack Do you have an online citation for this work?
RE: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?
From: Vibrator ! JG = James Glimm? Sorry lost me there.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Goodenough looks like it will be his birthday next week. Think about that – 98 and still on the cutting edge of battery technology. Maybe another big prize … who knows?.
RE: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?
Ah … another almost useless violation - it appears… but maybe not completely useless. There does appear to be a nominal violation – somewhat reminiscent of an electret. I’m surprised they do not go there. Because the self-cycling takes place at extremely low frequencies and does not produce any effect when discharges are fast, as would be needed in a working capacitor or transistor - the actual applications for it seem to be small – other than there is the implication of very high efficiency - but not a real demonstration of it. There could be a useful temperature drop with the self-oscillation as well, which may explain the net energy balance. Quote: A subthreshold swing is demonstrated below the thermal limit in an electrochemical cell that mimics a gate-to-channel circuit cell in a FeFET, surpassing the limit imposed by dissipation energy, often designated as “Boltzmann tyranny.” Poor Boltzmann … he gets no respect … Amazing that JG is approaching 100 years. In fact he is the anomaly if there is one. From: Vibrator ! If self-oscillation is phonon-driven - and also forms the source gradient - then it's an effective 2LoT violation. Doesn't rule out an EM / ZPE source of course, but Occam would suggest that's redundant.. So, unlike Steorn's ferro-electric caps or whatever it was they were doing (foggy now)..
RE: [Vo]: CoV-19 news
Big pharma is really going out of their way to downplay low tech approaches which may not “cure” the virus but instead minimize the symptoms to the point of avoiding hospitalization. Here is a good Italian survey of in vitro results which offer a promising category of nutritional options (polyphenols) which may very well offer the maximum in terms of lowering the symptoms for minimal cost and risk. “No cure but no hospitalization” is an attractive compromise for many. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.00240/full >From all I have read, this polyphenol category actually provides the most >promising near term approach if your goal is avoiding hospitalization >following a positive test for the infection. Of course – big pharma gets zero and the economy still suffers – but the hard truth is that a real cure and effective vaccine may NEVER materialize. Many experts agree with this but will not go the next step and actually recommend polyphenols. From: Jürg Wyttenbach Ivermectin seems to be the cure of choice! https://www.trialsitenews.com/president-of-dominican-republics-largest-private-health-group-discusses-the-success-of-ivermectin-as-a-treatment-for-early-stage-covid-19/
RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?
The working gas would be argon, which is also a reactant. Argon will from a short lived molecule with hydrogen. Helium will not. Too bad since He has better heat transfer properties. For a closed-cycle piston engine of this sort to work, the piston crown and the facing cylinder head would need to be catalytic for the formation of dense hydrogen when exposed to a mixed pressurized gas of hydrogen and argon. A very large compression ratio would be possible. Ideally dense hydrogen on this catalytic surface would then combine immediately as it is being formed - with argon - at TDC which will them form argonium with exotherm For this cycle to repeat ad infinitum, the argonium would need to decay at BDC. The normal version of argonium according to Wiki has a lifetime of 2+ milliseconds which may be too short for realistic rotational speed. Thus – another miracle needed for this to work at all, is that the denser form of argonium would need to have a lifetime of about 10 milliseconds for a resonance at about 6000 RPM. No one has published anything about a dense form or argonium or any other molecule containing dense hydrogen. Maybe dense hydrogen will not bind to argon at all. This is why experimenter need to be able to make dense hydrogen reliably – to characterize all its properties, and AFAIK no independent researcher can do this now. Jones— In your engine conceptual design what is the working gas that is heated and then does work in the decompression portion of the cycle? Is it the Ar-H gas or a separate gas that is heated by the release of energy from the reactants in the “reaction chamber” (as the cylinder might be called) but not modified by the release of energy . For example,heliume might work well and be conserved without modification in a hermetically “reaction chamber that contained a “fuel” that would react with an appropriate EM trigger—“spark plug.” Introduction of additional fuel stored within the hermetically sealed envelop could be accomplished after the original charge was sufficiently depleted—maybe a day, a week or longer, depending the dynamics of the system parameters that affect the reaction. Bob Cook . ➢ In a closed-cycle piston engine, particularly a Stirling-type, the suggestion is that there could be an inherent thermodynamic advantage in having sequential reactions which are exothermic on formation and then endothermic milliseconds later, on the expansion stroke. A resonance could then be engineered, especially if the decay was sharp and reliable and the engine ran at one speed only. However, this may not be what happens in practice with argon and hydrogen. ➢ If the lifetime of argonium happened with endotherm precisely at BDC, then that could present a bonus cooling effect in addition to the change in displacement. This would arguably increase the Carnot spread between the hot end and cold end of the Stirling. I have not been able to find evidence for this type of thermodynamic cycle in the literature.
RE: [Vo]:Everyone household should have one! Detect CV early!
From: Jonathan Berry ➢ Consume Vitamins A, C, D3 and Zinc, Quercetin (Zinc Ionophore found in capers) drink tonic water, eat grapefruit (chunky marmalade?) and lemon skins (for Quinine). In the list of natural and low-tech dietary aids for boosting the immune system you could add Turmeric/curcumin to the list. This nutrient is the main ingredient in curry, which is the characteristic spice of the cuisine of India. If you have doubts about the logic of adding another questionable food item to your list – check the extraordinarily low infection rate in India compared to the rest of the world. Could be coincidence, but curcumin does have a host of other proven medical benefits so there is no downside. The taste of curry can be overpowering but the turmeric capsules have no odor. Amazon has them with piperine added. Ghee, in the Punjab, they sure know the cure ease…
[Vo]:Weaponizing coronavirus
Here is a bit of worrisome speculation… One hopes that there is no factual basis for the following alarming suggestion. If not, look for it in a film on Netflix.. The present wave of infection going through the USA will peak soon or has already peaked in selected regions. That situation presents a unique opportunity for a particular terrorist nation to intervene and create a second wave of infection which will further decimate the economy. That opportunity is present because of top level political pressure to “open up the economy” at the earliest possible date. This is laudable but possibly risky, Here are the dynamics which may become active in the coming days and weeks. 1) Iran is the most likely perpetrator of a Covid sneak attack, since they are a terrorist nation with a long-standing grudge against us, 2) Iran will have a few million potential martyrs (carriers) who have been infected and recovered from the illness. 3) They have been involved in this kind of thing before and have expertise in biological warfare 4) These carriers can become super-spreaders by actively identifying and using known vectors for infection. 5) According to retired CIA agents, Hezbollah and therefore Iran have maintained “sleeper cells” in America for many years How would they proceed to inflict harm? Anyone can make an educated guess – and some will be more devious and probable than others. I hope that we have already mounted some kind of defense analysis at the highest levels, but in case we have missed something – feel free to dream up a scenario which could help. OK – here’s one clever way that comes to mind – don’t laugh - the US mail. It adds a whole new meaning to “the check is in the mail” The mail would be a usable vector if done if coordinated in dozens of cities and in such a way that avoided suspicion about large mailings- at least for a few days. Would it be possible to contaminate several million official-looking checks with the virus ? These would be checks that appear to come from the US treasury for the $1200 stimulus. Hey the scenario is almost crazy, but just in case – wear disposable gloves as you open that mail, and on the way to the bank…
RE: [Vo]:Active Denial at 95 GHz
From: H LV ➢ The euphemism "active denial system" fascinates me. What does this system deny? There used to be a tequila bar in SMA called “Da Nile”
RE: [Vo]:Corona Virus
Here is a visual synopsis – burial trenches in Iran - large enough to be seen from space … https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most_medium=email_source=newsletter=nl_most From: Esa Ruoho d'you have a TL;DW synopsis for us, Ron?
RE: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory
From: Blaze Spinnaker ➢ Communism/Fascism is great for quarantining. Not sure it's that great for sharing critical information broadly, coming up with vaccines, medical tests and and treatments. There is no doubt about that first part (quarantining is greatly facilitated) … except NOT the other items - such as the vaccines. China already has many vaccines in hospital testing stage ( 4 of them are for a US invented vaccine). Would we ever test one of theirs? https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/generex-covid-19-vaccine/ And there are many other treatments in testing from their own R The irony is that if any of them works, we in the USA could be forced to buy vaccine from them, to cure an outbreak that came from there 0 since testing in the USA can take a year at best to guarantee “safety” of the test subjects. In Asia, it is sad but true that “ life is cheap” and only the group matters, not the individual. But the real advantage of the Chinese hybrid system (part capitalism part state-control – but not muvh actual communism) could be the in future of AI. They have four time more students enrolled in engineering and science than the USA does and many of ours came from over there anyway. Sure, they also have four times more population but it can be argued that the first country to install widespread AI will dominate the World economy for years – and getting AI in place depends on the number of engineers with little regard to the general population. Look at the incredible speed that Tesla took advantage of to build a new manufacturing plant in China. That took centralized planning, not political bickering. Here the plan would have been shelved in committee. This political season and the over-the-top sensitivity of the NYSE to anything negative has made a lot of people wonder if we should not think about the ways to restructure capitalism as a first priority … and then ditch party politics as an anachronism . Do we really need it?
RE: [Vo]:There is no dark matter. Instead, information has mass, physicist says
From: Terry Blanton bigthink.com: https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/dark-matter-theory This is a very provocative idea – that information has actual mass…guess that is why it is featured on a site called “the big think”… The concept also relates to LENR in a back door way – since Holmlid suggests that matter can be completely annihilated or turned into energy. Is this the modern version of “book burning”?? The author of the piece, Philip Perry did not claim exactly that dark matter or the black hole is a repository of information, but that is the implication. OTOH another article by Philip suggests that Jesus (yes, that Jesus) used Cannabis for some of his miracle cures. This kind of lateral thinking made me want to immediately sign up to get the blog until I noticed how many trackers it had already tried to install. Anyway, there is a pregnant thought from Wheeler is particularly resonant: “There was perhaps no greater proponent of information theory than another unsung paragon of science, John Archibald Wheeler. Wheeler was part of the Manhattan Project, worked out the "S-Matrix" with Niels Bohr and helped Einstein develop a unified theory of physics. In his later years, he proclaimed, "Everything is information." Then he went about exploring connections between quantum mechanics and information theory….He also coined the phrase "it from bit" or that every particle in the universe emanates from the information locked inside it. At the Santa Fe Institute in 1989, Wheeler announced that everything, from particles to forces to the fabric of spacetime itself "… derives its function, its meaning, its very existence entirely … from the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, binary choices, bits." END quote. Too bad the website itself has not been designed to honor privacy concerns or to function well on Firefox browser. Makes one wonder if MS/Google did not insert the background trackers as a tit for tat … which is kind of ironic, given the subject matter.
RE: [Vo]:cannon balls and curling stones
Speaking of unusual thought experiments involving centripetal force, later found to be real products - here is a surprising old electrical device which explores the intersection of charge and mechanical spin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3EpyjATE48 It is a rotating anode tube (valve to the Brits). This is new to me but apparently it was once a commercial product. Strange device and stranger experimenter. High voltage brings out the truly weird (and truly wired(. Not to mention the peril to the guy’s puppies. A crowded HV lab and puppies – what could go wrong? Anyway – for the alternative energy enthusiast out there in Volandia, this particular device seems to explore the question of charge, spin and conservation of energy in a way that makes one wonder about the actual history of it. Was it efficient at all? One place the larger implications might come up is in automotive engineering. Imagine an internal combustion engine with a modified turbocharger spinning at near the limit of mechanical tensile strength of the rotor – say 150,000 RPM, where the spin itself can be considered “free” in a way (any extra energy derived is free). The question then becomes - can a high speed rotor be modified to also act as an electrode, providing HV electrical charge ? Jones
RE: [Vo]:AIP mentions cold fusion
Hi, Well Miley himself was fully invested in the Fusor device (and sold his neutron generating company to Daimler) AFAIK he never mentioned that LENR was involved in that technology and if anyone should know – it is him. The W-L theory predicts extremely low momentum neutrons - which somehow avoid thermalization. Thus they would presimably never escape a reactor. Jones From: Nicholas Palmer Here's a voice from the past... Did anyone ever consider using a Farnsworth Fusor as a source of low energy neutrons to catalyse the putative Widom-Larsen pathway to LENR? Nick Palmer Jed Rothwell wrote: QUOTE: Final FY20 Appropriations: National Science Foundation Low-energy nuclear reactions. The House report encourages NSF to “evaluate the various theories, experiments, and scientific literature surrounding the field of LENR,” which is most associated with the pursuit of cold fusion. It also directs NSF to “provide a set of recommendations as to whether future federal investment into LENR research would be prudent, and if so, a plan for how that investment would be best utilized.” https://www.aip.org/fyi/2020/final-fy20-appropriations-national-science-foundation Nothing will come of this.
RE: [Vo]:Dense hydrogen may facilitate water splitting
Oops – a bit of dyslexia there – the hydrino hydride would be negatively charged from the start - and thus appearing alkaline while stable. Heck… maybe that explains the alkalinity of the oceans… IOW – the negatively charged dense hydrogen from the solar corona causes large scale alkalinity as it reaches earth and collects in the ocean. From: Andrew Meulenberg ➢ I am presently writing a paper on the transition from a femto-H atom to a neutron (as a proton with an occupied deeper-electron orbit), so my responding to your comments has been useful in my thinking. Thank you. Andrew Another related topic to this is the ubiquitous nature of hydronium, and whether dense hydrogen can be a natural component of our oceans.. At any given moment in all the worlds oceans, water is technically not H2O but instead consists of a known percentage of hydronium, even though the pH of the ocean itself is alkaline. This should not be possible in theory since the alkalinity should cancel out the positive charge immediately. One wonders if Mills conception of “hydrino hydride” or a version of it - would explain this situation since hydronium in the form of a stable anion would be both dense and charged with greater than expected lifetime as an ion in solution. This also offers and explanation of where all the hydrinos (which are made in the solar corona and transported to earth via the solar wind) accumulate. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Dense hydrogen may facilitate water splitting
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Andrew Meulenberg ➢ I am presently writing a paper on the transition from a femto-H atom to a neutron (as a proton with an occupied deeper-electron orbit), so my responding to your comments has been useful in my thinking. Thank you. Andrew Another related topic to this is the ubiquitous nature of hydronium, and whether dense hydrogen can be a natural component of our oceans.. At any given moment in all the worlds oceans, water is technically not H2O but instead consists of a known percentage of hydronium, even though the pH of the ocean itself is alkaline. This should not be possible in theory since the alkalinity should cancel out the positive charge immediately. One wonders if Mills conception of “hydrino hydride” or a version of it - would explain this situation since hydronium in the form of a stable anion would be both dense and charged with greater than expected lifetime as an ion in solution. This also offers and explanation of where all the hydrinos (which are made in the solar corona and transported to earth via the solar wind) accumulate. Jones
RE: [Vo]:This recent Palladium alloy is one of strongest alloysevermade
From: Jürg Wyttenbach > Magnetic pulsing - at large flux - would seem to be falsifiable, even > in a small electrolysis cell - using a magnetometer or even a pickup coil. Any net input > 2keV/atom is hot fusion with classic results. This also holds for magnetic pinch delivered energies. OK, but that is a lot of input - what happens magnetically using low input power - such as in providing a Pd-D electrolysis cell with low power electrical pulses? Have you been able to document magnetic pulses in this situation? There are many reports of excess heat with pulsed electrolysis but AFAIK there are no reports of magnetic pulses which correlate with electrical pulses. If you can show this outcome it would be a major breakthrough.
RE: [Vo]:This recent Palladium alloy is one of strongest alloys evermade
From: Jürg Wyttenbach ➢ A LENR reaction producing 4-He (alpha) from D*-D* does not emit kinetic alphas as there is no momentum available. All nuclear magnetic flux is symmetric! Is there physical evidence for this result ? Magnetic pulsing - at large flux - would seem to be falsifiable, even in a small electrolysis cell - using a magnetometer or even a pickup coil. If I understand your theory, a magnetic pulse would presumably follow a peak in deuterium loading, such as following an electric pulse to the cahtode as a trigger to the reaction, no? If so, this flux should be measurable to validate your theory. Moreover - if a large pulse of magnetic flux follows electrical stimulation, or even from a Holmlid-like laser pulse, then there is an overlooked way to convert this kind of output into alternating current using nothing more complicated than an induction coil. Jones
[Vo]:Testing
Is vortex down?
RE: [Vo]:"Paramagnons" - new way to convert heat into electricalenergy--what is the physics of the Bose magnons--
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com ➢ The question is: What is the differential temperature needed to sap off the enthalpy in the lattice in significant quantity to be practical. Well Bob – it is arguable that we are not limited by thermodynamic restraints with paramagnons, at least not in the same way that thermoelectric materials are. Coupling is due to spin, in addition to or in place of thermal vibration. This makes resonance a big issue. There is a good possibility that very low delta-t can be practical. Such is arguably the case with the device of Arthur Manelas and that is why I mentioned it. Manganese is particularly interesting in this regard when alloyed or in a Heusler compound. By physical appearances, Mn should be ferromagnetic (it has 5 unpaired electrons as does iron) but it is paramagnetic when pure -yet it can be combined into alloys which are more strongly ferromagnetic than pure metals – i.e. nickel for instance. There is even a fair chance that the delta-T of a system with spin coupling can be zero initially in the sense that ambient heat is being converted into electrical current in the case of battery interaction with transformer back EMF. Finally, there is even a possibility that the reason some nickel electrodes work better than other in LENR experiments is related to slight manganese content, even inadvertent. Manganese doping of nickel increases the magnetization disproportionately - but for larger concentrations of there is a decrease. This can be modulated by hydrogen adsorption. If the analysis of Mizuno’s most active nickel electrode turns up even a half percent of Mn, then get back to me – we have found a culprit.
[Vo]:"Paramagnons" - new way to convert heat into electrical energy
“Paramagnon drag in high thermoelectric figure of merit Li-doped MnTe” (manganese telluride) Zheng et al Science Advances 13 Sep 2019 Vol. 5, no. 9 DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.aat9461 https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/9/eaat9461.full Thermoelectricity is generally too inefficient for the obvious application - to put into an automobile exhaust system where one has almost unlimited free megawatts of waste heat. Billions of dollars could be saved with the proper TE material. Magnetocalorics (spin-calorics) could change low expectations, erase past failures and open up a new area of engineering to prolong the lifetime of the ICE and also to retrieve more energy from solar cells and other obvious applications… “Ifonly” higher efficiency is possible at reasonable cost. BTW – this promising field was one of the first scams of Andrea Rossi. He used tellurides in his abandoned patent application: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20050028858A1/en In fact, tellurides have been tried in TEGs for decades, to no avail. The better ones incorporate a strategy of “point defect” engineering to regulate the electrical and thermal transport. The primary dopants used have been tin an antimony. The power factor is seen to increase with proper doping due to reduction of the band gap. In fact, in the new paper, they claim to open up an entirely new pathway for conversion gain by optimizing the spin-caloric effect. This is novel. This new material could be also used with LENR and possibly the Manelas device - but of course these applications are not mentioned. Bottom line: the new material described in the paper uses Li as a dopant and is said to be a huge breakthrough in efficiency although the required temperature is rather high and many important details are missing. Abstract Local thermal magnetization fluctuations in Li-doped MnTe are found to increase its thermopower α strongly at temperatures up to 900 K. Below the Néel temperature (TN ~ 307 K), MnTe is antiferromagnetic, and magnon drag contributes αmd to the thermopower, which scales as ~T3. Magnon drag persists into the paramagnetic state up to >3 × TN because of long-lived, short-range antiferromagnet-like fluctuations (paramagnons) shown by neutron spectroscopy to exist in the paramagnetic state. The paramagnon lifetime is longer than the charge carrier–magnon interaction time; its spin-spin spatial correlation length is larger than the free-carrier effective Bohr radius and de Broglie wavelength. Thus, to itinerant carriers, paramagnons look like magnons and give a paramagnon-drag thermopower. This contribution results in an optimally doped material having a thermoelectric figure of merit ZT > 1 at T > ~900 K, the first material with a technologically meaningful thermoelectric energy conversion efficiency from a spin-caloritronic effect. A more simplified story: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190923111235.htm
RE: [Vo]:OFFTOPIC: Why the Starship uses stainless steel
Additional evidence that Elon must be an “alien” of a sort … raising the question of whether a direct connection to a source of superior intelligence is possible for more humans than just the one. One > Neo > Elon ? Whatever skills Elon Musk shows us are not individually unique and he has limitations - so a valid suspicion is that he found a more efficient way to access truth and avoid failure. But Elon is not religious in the standard sense, and the only detail that makes him not an atheist, is that the SIM itself will have features of divinity. At any rate Elon subscribes to a version of the Simulation Hypothesis. This is a belief that blossomed following the “Matrix” films, where work-a-day reality is exposed as an illusion and everything we see as real are simulations in a universal computer program. But, not to be outdone by techno-speak, others will label the computer itself as the mind of God. This could become a circular argument at many levels of abstraction - but Musk is so convinced that the SIM theory is accurate that he’s been quoted: “There’s a billion to one chance we’re living in base reality.” Well … the devil is in the details, as but it’s hard to ague with Neo, err… Elon. I just wish I could remember the master password for an upgrade and full reboot. - Elon Musk outlines SpaceX’s Starship plans…
RE: [Vo]:Uploaded LANL. Workshop on Cold Fusion Phenomena. 1989
The KATRIN experiment in Germany has now experimentally come up with a (very low) neutrino mass-energy value – no more than 1.1 eV Just released data: https://www.livescience.com/neutrino-mass-experiment-katrin-early-results.html Interesting picture accompanying the article above… From: Jürg Wyttenbach Neutrinos are the standard excuse for SM physics having no clue about nuclear structure. Billions of neutrinos pass your body every second. If they would do any interaction such patents possibly would not be written... Parkhomov's Rossi style experiments (COP 2-4) did behave as expected: Given a well know amount of Nickel it delivered, after full burn down, the expected 2MeV/Ni. Not much space for neutrinos. Phrases like "low energy neutrinos" are nonsense as long as physics has no clue about their real mass & structure and even doesn't know whether they have a rest mass. We, since some time, pretty much understand how LENR works and what needs to be done to enable it. We understand how the LENR energy transport works and of course not with neutrinos - it's magnetic transport of energy.
[Vo]:Mizuno at ICCF22 on NextBigFuture
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/09/independent-confirmation-of-mizuno-cold-fusion-result-could-conclusively-prove-the-reality-of-excess-heat.html?utm_source=feedburner_medium=feed_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29
RE: [Vo]:New Patent LENR-RT-SC Patent Application 34 pages
Hi Ron, This is good for a morning laugh… or maybe it has some connection to a SciFi game. A big clue is invoking neutrinos. Another is to look at the source and provenance. It is a bit suspicious - from looking at the details of the inventors other patents, that he could be a patent troll. https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Yanming+Wei Of course there could be more than one inventor named Yanming Wie. Either that or an ET from an advanced society with a particular interest in both nuclear reactors and bovines (cows). From: Ron Kita Greetings Vortex, I must issue a caveat..I am not sure IF this patent application is worthy reading since that according to my reading - shows no results or demonstration. However I found the references cited are most interesting. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0=20190131020=58B2223F4E83=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D2%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3DAND%2526d%3DPG01%2526s1%3Dgraviton%2526OS%3Dgraviton%2526RS%3Dgraviton
[Vo]:Superior Proton conductor - cheap as dirt?
When its properties were first discovered - graphene was supposed to be almost as cheap as the coal from which it can be made - but that was blind optimism. Now we hear of two types of micas found in common dirt (muscovite and vermiculite) which can be processed into atomically-thin crystals of mica by simply mechanical exfoliation and ion exchange. This material is claimed to be superior to graphene as a proton conductor. The discovery could open the door for large performance boosts and lower costs in ultracaps, batteries, fuel cells as well as LENR and/or a hybrid of any of these devices. Or, once again it could be hype. But since it is a natural mineral, we should know soon what to expect fairly soon. Typically in LENR there seems to be a direct relationship between excess heat and hydrogen loading, which itself is related to proton conductivity. Monolayers of 2D graphene are highly permeable to protons but less so at high temperature and zero in bulk layers but most importantly - graphene has not been produced at an acceptable price – despite a decade of claims that it can be, unless Tesla Maxwell have made that breakthrough (as has been reported). 2D graphene is in the hundreds of dollars per gram range but needs to be 100 times cheaper for ultracaps to replace lithium ion. Here is the paper from the UK/China where the authors show that few-layer micas become excellent proton conductors when native cations are ion-exchanged for protons. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1906.04667 “Atomically-thin micas as proton conducting membranes” by L. Mogg et al. The Elon-nation can almost envision that he and the Chinese are already building a facility to produce this new material. Or else – we have another case of overhyped stories in science journalism. There are already a dozen of so headlines on this, with more to come.
RE: [Vo]:Fake it till you make it
Right. That was the basis for the “orange turtleneck” comment. However, she is such an well-practiced liar that a few insiders are predicting an eventual acquittal, especially if a similar blood test product does come to market before the trial. From: Terry Blanton > Followers of LENR will be struck by the parallels of this sad tale to the > Andrea Rossi story… Except for this one difference: https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/28/theranos-founder-elizabeth-holmes-to-stand-trial-in-2020/
[Vo]:Fake it till you make it
Just finished reading “Bad Blood” which is the story of the high flying startup company Theranos and its founder (at age 19) Elizabeth Holmes. https://www.amazon.com/Bad-Blood-Secrets-Silicon-Startup/dp/152473165X/ It is a page turner – recommended if not the best book of the year so far … plus … Followers of LENR will be struck by the parallels of this sad tale to the Andrea Rossi story… “Fonly” (if only) Rossi had the smile and charm of Holmes (not to mention the cahones) … he might have pulled it off. (assuming the nickel-hydrogen reaction is indeed anomalous) Had Liz been a bit more honest – she too could possibly would have found a (reduced) niche for her product. It did work, on occasion. For a brief moment she was worth about $ 5 billion… now she is homeless and facing “orange is the new black”. Does the Jobs’ turtleneck come in orange? Hang in there Liz … maybe you can still “talk you way out” of this one… like Rossi, you still have a legion of supporters and a base technology which arguably does work from time to time. In fact, another silicon valley startup is actually moving into this blood-testing space and picking up the pieces – with a similar but product (and with greatly reduced specs) which they will probably take it to market soon. Curiously, that would be the best thing that could happen for Holmes in terms of a “Fake it till you make it” defense. Which they don’t teach in B-school… yet… but faking (overstating) data to a lesser degree is still, as it always was, a cornerstone strategy of many a high tech startups.
[Vo]:R Godes comments on LENR
There are a few interesting comment from Robert Godes here: http://sjbyrnes.com/cf/the-case-against-cold-fusion-experiments/ It is the last comment in a long thread and you may not want to read it all… Godes seldom posts to News Groups or blogs, so it is unclear where he stands on some major points – and it would be nice to know that he is capable of defending his claims in the context of Internet armchair experts... a tough audience even when not particularly skeptical. He may be prepping for something, who knows? Thankfully, there are a number of nuggets in this post worth thinking about, but too many extraneous issues going-on… relating mostly to [reportedly dishonest] skeptics. Otherwise there is one detail which strikes me as most important in the Big Picture, even though most people gloss over it. Why? Well it can be interpreted as debasing or marginalizing the P/F effect ... ironically proving that the thermal anomaly exists while disproving the original details of why it exists. Quote: “H is not a control for D. Mike McKubre was shocked when I showed him my results and told him that they were obtained using distilled water. By controlling the underlying physics, it is possible to run the reaction in Pd using ordinary hydrogen…” In the extreme, Godes could be saying that since both H and D are equally active in palladium electrolysis, for producing anomalous heat - there is unlikely to be “nuclear fusion” going on at all. Of course, others have said something similar - but he is closer to being “man of the hour” and a successful fun-raiser to boot. Is Robert Godes positioning to “burst on the scene” as the miracle man of alternative energy? Let’s hope so. But to be clear – this would not mean that the gainful thermal reaction of loaded palladium hydride is not nuclear – it seems to definitely be “nuclear” but it may not be predominantly nuclear fusion. Someone, maybe it was Meulenberg has shown that even a dense hydrogen or Mills effect is deriving energy from the nucleus. Which is to say that mass is being converted into energy somehow - but the underlying reaction is not for the most part actual fusion of deuterium into helium. It can be argued that reaction always produces strong gamma radiation. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Replication of Mizuno mesh experiment by Zhang
This is not exactly a “replication” at least in qualitative terms - in that the gain relative to the input power is tiny. Based on Mizuno’s claimed results, many observers were looking a replication characterized by long periods of ~300 watt excess as opposed to short periods at very low COP Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:09 AM To: Vortex Subject: [Vo]:Replication of Mizuno mesh experiment by Zhang I am pleased to report a replication of Mizuno's experiment by H. Zhang: https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZhangHreproducti.pdf Excess heat started at ~4 W and has now reached 9.6 W. Be careful when comparing this to the original experiment, because the mass of nickel mesh is smaller. The calorimetry is MUCH better than Mizuno's. It is splendid. Mizuno expressed some reservations about these results because the heat peters out after 2 or 3 hours. He thinks this might be caused by "impure gas in the reactants or slight differences in nickel." I do not think this is a problem because: 1. Zhang ran several times with a mesh that produced no heat (p. 18). 2. I think the total heat release is too large to be explained as impure gas. 3. The reaction is getting stronger between the second and third runs, from 4 W 20 kJ up to 9.7 W 47 kJ. If this were caused by gas coming out of the nickel mesh, I suppose it would fade away. He does not open the cell or change the mesh between runs. 4. Zhang replaced the deuterium gas with argon. That killed the reaction. I hope he did not clobber it permanently! Yesterday he told me he went back to deuterium, but it is still dead.
[Vo]:Off-topic: Greenland, Smilla and Gingerbread man
Why would any sane investor strongly desire to purchase a seemingly worthless, barren, frigid and ice-covered bit of crappy real estate like Greenland ? Simple, Watson… if you have access to the largest intelligence community on earth, or else have a laptop and can do a rudimentary search. Or even with no laptop if you have an active imagination and a local library – consider a mashup of “Smilla’s Sense of Snow” and “Gingerbread Man”… Last year the following story did not arouse a lot of interest since the details were sparse … https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/a-massive-meteorite-crater-has-been-hiding-under-greenlands-ice But looking closer, a few details emerged and it becomes clear that fragments of the impact were analyzed, the meteorite was gigantic, and: “Analyzing those fragments, they found unusually high concentrations of nickel, cobalt, chromium, and gold...” The value ? … think Sudbury basin with gold plating ...
RE: [Vo]:Transient superconductivity in palladium hydrides
If the mechanics of transient superconductivity as laid out in this thread - are shown to produce a rapid expansion of previously condensed matter following the collapse of the (transient) magnetic field which was induced by the (transient) spintronics current – THEN – we have defined a most desirable and simplified situation since nuclear fusion itself is not required to show energy gain. In fact, all appearances indicate that the dynamics would amount to the same identical scenario as the Coulomb explosion (of Miley and many others). There could be incidental fusion but it is not powering the main thermal gain. As to “where” the excess energy comers from – since fusion would not be required – that source can easily be identified as nuclear binding energy (strong force mechanics). Gluons, in a word. Mass is still being converted into energy but without nuclear fusion. … which is a more intuitive model compared to the huge burden necessary to explain away the lack of gamma radiation. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Transient superconductivity in palladium hydrides
To clarify: “A photon cycling protocol could even be hidden away under the cover of 60 Hertz input” Most observers balk at such talk – that is, rapid cycling of temperature over a wide range in an actual operating environment, which is restrained by so-called thermal inertia – itself a fiction when it comes to small geometry – nano and below. On the surface, rapid cycling may not seem to relate well to actual thermal change over a wide range. However, if the relevant parameter being cycled is not temperature per se but “comperature” then oscillation could happen far more rapidly than actual extreme cycling of temperature suggests. “Comperature” would be the operative concept. It becomes a semantics issue. AFAIK the parameter of “comperature” was introduced by F. Grimer here years ago - but largely ignored as it bridges the gap between QM and macro reality in a way that may be uncomfortable to mechanical engineers. But it is useful in the present context of nano geometry. In short, comperature can be defined as a single variable or parameter which is an amalgam of pressure and temperature at the atomic and molecular level. The two properties cannot be truly separated in a practical sense as Boyle observed many years ago – and perhaps they cannot be separated at all in condensed matter. For instance, hydrogen, which has been captured in the Casimir pores of a ferromagnetic metal at ambient or even well above ambient – could nevertheless physically experience the equivalent restriction in degrees of freedom as if at absolute zero. Having high effective over-voltage is the same as extreme compression. At a loading of 1:1 in a metal matrix, the effective pressure is arguably well over 10,000 bar, according to Frank, and thus the relevant comperature would possess an effective temperature equivalent near absolute zero. In the case of superconductivity then - even at ambient ‘normal’ temperature in the larger system a hydride could be considered cooled to 1 degree K in a relativistic sense.
RE: [Vo]:Transient superconductivity in palladium hydrides
Thanks Mark,
A more streamlined paper without all the fluff of a thesis is here
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1608/1608.01774.pdf
… where they report the observation of conventional superconductivity at “the
highest temperature yet attained without mechanical compression” which is
around 54 kelvin in palladium-hydride and 60 kelvin in palladium-deuteride. The
isotopic difference is important.
Actually this statement is probably NOT accurate, as there are higher reports
in the literature of equal credibility - but nevertheless that is their claim.
At high applied pressure, RTHC was achieved earlier this year and notably this
report was in a hydride as well (LaH10). The point being that hydrides are
probably where the action is to be found in this field. That relates to LENR.
Further: “The remarkable increase in Tc compared to the previously known value
was achieved by rapidly cooling the hydride and deuteride after loading with
hydrogen or deuterium at elevated temperature. Our results encourage hope that
conventional superconductivity under ambient conditions will be discovered in
materials with very high hydrogen density, as predicted more than a decade ago”
END
This report is of course still far from the operating range of an LENR cell,
especially the Mizuno recent claim – and for it to be relevant there would need
to be transient signs of SC at roughly 300 C but the main point about cycling
has another level of interest – which is an optical effect. A narrow optical
range would be the key cycling modality.
A photon cycling protocol could even be hidden away under the cover of 60 Hertz
input, for instance. BTW – a most interesting host matrix for deuterium LENR
would be lanthanum pentanickel LaNi5 – which naturally absorbs far more
deuterium per mole than palladium. In fact it could be the case that that a
kind of induced hexavalency in the host is important.
From: Mark Jurich
FYI:
Here are the links to obtain the titled thesis, mentioned below:
https://research-repository.griffith.edu.au/handle/10072/367614
https://research-repository.griffith.edu.au/bitstream/handle/10072/367614/Muhammad%20Hasnain_2016_01Thesis.pdf
- Mark Jurich
From: JonesBeene
For many years, a recurring theme on vortex involves the idea that a local
form of high temperature superconductivity could be the hidden underlying
modality which was needed to form a BEC condensate in palladium deuteride, and
that this condensate was necessary as a prerequisite for a nuclear reaction to
occur at elevated temperature,, even if the state lasted only picoseconds, as
opposed to stability at cryogenic conditions.
The argument could be worth renewed interest – given that transient HTSC has
been found and reported in an authoritative study not involving LENR. That
report turned up on LENR forum from poster Ahlfors - as the subject of a PhD
thesis by M. Syed from an Australian University.
http://web.tiscali.it/pt1963.home/publist.htm
“Transient High-Temperature Superconductivity in Palladium Hydride”
The nano-magnetism concept of Ahern, for instance, was predicated on
high-temperature local superconductivity for reducing randomness, arguably in
the form of a ‘transient condensate.’ As to why a pulse of magnetism would be
important – very simply this gets back to structural uniformity and Boson
statistics.
Two bound deuterons in a cavity exist at identical ‘compreture’ due to the
cavity containment but that is not enough. Magnetism can thereafter align spin,
so immediately you have a near-condensate in the sense of extreme DFR
("Divergence From Randomness") in the physical properties of those atoms in the
matrix. From this highly structured but non-cryogenic state – a “virtual BEC”
need last only picoseconds if there us sequential recurrence.
This is from one of the earlier threads on vortex - with a SPAWARS citation
linking to further details on LENR-CANR.org.
https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg89480.html
RE: [Vo]:Transient superconductivity in palladium hydrides
From: mix...@bigpond.com ➢ If temporary superconducting states cycle frequently enough, and in sufficient number, then this could be the mechanism behind CF. Hi Robin, Yes, rapid cycling would seem to be required and especially in the case where photons interact with electrons in quantum cavities. There is a phenomenon known as the Eliashberg effect which seems to be relevant. There are many new papers like this one which ostensibly have nothing to do with LENR but provide much insight if transient HTSC is involved. https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.122.017401
[Vo]:Transient superconductivity in palladium hydrides
For many years, a recurring theme on vortex involves the idea that a local
form of high temperature superconductivity could be the hidden underlying
modality which was needed to form a BEC condensate in palladium deuteride, and
that this condensate was necessary as a prerequisite for a nuclear reaction to
occur at elevated temperature,, even if the state lasted only picoseconds, as
opposed to stability at cryogenic conditions.
The argument could be worth renewed interest – given that transient HTSC has
been found and reported in an authoritative study not involving LENR. That
report turned up on LENR forum from poster Ahlfors - as the subject of a PhD
thesis by M. Syed from an Australian University.
http://web.tiscali.it/pt1963.home/publist.htm
“Transient High-Temperature Superconductivity in Palladium Hydride”
The nano-magnetism concept of Ahern, for instance, was predicated on
high-temperature local superconductivity for reducing randomness, arguably in
the form of a ‘transient condensate.’ As to why a pulse of magnetism would be
important – very simply this gets back to structural uniformity and Boson
statistics.
Two bound deuterons in a cavity exist at identical ‘compreture’ due to the
cavity containment but that is not enough. Magnetism can thereafter align spin,
so immediately you have a near-condensate in the sense of extreme DFR
("Divergence From Randomness") in the physical properties of those atoms in the
matrix. From this highly structured but non-cryogenic state – a “virtual BEC”
need last only picoseconds if there us sequential recurrence.
This is from one of the earlier threads on vortex - with a SPAWARS citation
linking to further details on LENR-CANR.org.
https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg89480.html
RE: [Vo]:are smartlists working? vortex-L test
Wow, for a second I thought I was in a time warp…. From: Rick Monteverde. … On Aug 15, 2019 at 8:32 PM, William Beaty wrote: Test
RE: [Vo]:FW: coherent system energy states
Andrew, Bob A good paper on this subject (longitudinal waves) is “Unravelling the potentials puzzle and corresponding case for the scalar longitudinal electrodynamic wave” Donald Reed 2019 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 1251 012043 Reed does not make the scalar to neutrino connection, which seems to serve the same purposes, which is to explore the line between what is real and what seems real because it balances equations. The best thing one can say about QM is that it lends physical credulity to an imaginary world… but then again, what is real? From: Andrew Meulenberg …. At the short distance of deep-orbits from the nucleus, the neutrino (considered to be similar to photons) would be in the "longitudinal photon" mode
RE: [Vo]:Deneum early results
If one were to look closely at the “replication” as it has proceeded thus far – there are already several significant variations from Mizuno’s procedure, besides the lack of RGA/MS. The heater is not the same – the silver solder was not in the original, the water used to rinse was not the same, and so on. Should Deneum see significant thermal gain – it will not become a true replication, even if they do add a mass-spec. That move is an unneeded delay, and actually seems to be a waste of time and resources at this juncture. They should stay the course. Let someone else dot every i. There are candidates for that. My hope therefore is that Deneum will continue with repeated similar runs over the coming days, basically repeating the general strategy they have come up with - and report the results. Much can be learned from this. It is a reasonable expectation that there will be improvement over time - and we could be in for a pleasant surprise within a week or two - even though it is not a true replication. Perhaps one of the many other experimenters around the globe – the ones who received a reactor directly from Mizuno - will be the best candidate to do a true replication. It is unrealistic and even counter-productive to imagine that Deneum would stop everything and make all of the changes which would be needed for true replication when they could be on the verge of seeing something very important - which is similar enough that it will expand the knowledge base greatly. From: Jed Rothwell JonesBeene wrote: You seem to be missing the point… and adding a dose of silly pedantry to boot. The goal here is to clean and completely degas the reactor --- NOT to learn the identity of the last bit of gas which was removed. Mizuno and other experts have told me that without a mass spec, you cannot tell whether you have cleaned and degassed the reactor. There may be materials in the wall of the reactor or the mesh that come out gradually. Also, if you bake it at the wrong stage, you cause materials to stick to the walls which are very difficult to get rid of. You need to check for them before you bake. Mizuno spelled out his methods in the paper. He said to use a mass spec. Other experts agreed with him. This experiment is hard enough to do with a mass spec and with the other recommended tools. People should not make it harder, or add to the unknowns and the guesswork. People who ignore the instructions may succeed despite that, but if they fail we will not know why. It is not really my business. My only concern is that they and others will say the instructions and the original experiment were flawed, even though they did not follow the instructions or do the experiment.
RE: [Vo]:Deneum early results
You seem to be missing the point… and adding a dose of silly pedantry to boot. The goal here is to clean and completely degas the reactor --- NOT to learn the identity of the last bit of gas which was removed. If they have a top of the line vacuum system, as appears to be the case - and they perform an overnight bake-out procedure which effectively cleans the reactor – then the mass-spec information they would have is redundant. Sure it would be great to do it by-the-letter exactly as Mizuno did it - and in a perfect world we would see that - but not having a record of the last few atoms of gas removed is not going to matter if they get it clean and leak-free. It is absurd to suggest that they should not proceed at all unless they follow every detail precisely. A successful outcome done slightly differently may add more understanding of the process than if done by-the-letter, and if it fails then they know what to do next. From: Jed Rothwell Yeah? When you are a "credentialed professional" does that mean you can ignore the instructions? Do things your way? If it does not work, does that mean we should doubt the original result? It ain't a replication, that's for sure.
RE: [Vo]:Deneum early results
It is unwise and too early to belittle this fine effort, given their recent history of success with titanium electrolysis – where Deneum has already reported high levels of excess heat. Apparently - their past success was unknown to those who are quick to be critical. These researchers are credentialed professionals who have had past success in LENR. What we are seeing now is early stage and they chose a strategy to learn as they go. Even so, Deneum can make a valuable contribution without a mass spec or RGA. That is the main point. If they should fail to find the robust thermal anomaly – their error is correctable. As a practical consideration, the motivation for being critical at an early stages can appear to be self-serving and unnecessary. In short - Deneum have the skills to see excess heat in the early time frame, and even if they do not - it is unwise to be critical of such effort in anticipation that it may be null. They are unlikely to be part of some hidden conspiracy - being paid to produce a null result. From: Jed Rothwell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRt3fa4lfU They are doing a professional job but nothing anomalous is showing up so far. At LENR-forum this person stated that they do not have a mass spectrometer. So they are not doing a professional job. They are working blind with no idea what is going on, and I suppose there is no chance it will work. If it does work, the experiment is much easier and more forgiving than Mizuno or I think it is is. I wrote this at LENR-forum: Let me restate this, as clearly as I can: People who are not skilled in the art cannot do cold fusion. People who do not have a complete set of instruments including a mass spectrometer, and who are not skilled in using these instruments, cannot do cold fusion. People who have to ask me or others how to set up the plumbing between the vacuum pump and the mass spectrometer, or what sort of plumbing to use, cannot do cold fusion. If you have to ask such things, you can't do it. That's what three top experts told me recently. https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/6017-mizuno-replication-and-materials-only/?postID=116420#post116420
RE: [Vo]:Deneum early results
It is not a big concern that it did not work the first time. An extended break-in period could be required. If one subscribes to a ‘dense deuterium’ theory of any kind – then an operational reactor could require a minimum working inventory of dense deuterium before gain is seen. Perhaps they should let it run at low power for several days continuously, so that a working inventory can be established. From: Axil Axil Its not working...did they do something wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRt3fa4lfU They are doing a professional job but nothing anomalous is showing up so far.
[Vo]:Deneum early results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRt3fa4lfU They are doing a professional job but nothing anomalous is showing up so far.
RE: [Vo]:ni and ca
Wait a minute. That looks like a Table for predictions based on a theory – not real measurements from experiment. From: Axil Axil https://youtu.be/jVwAEOxQPH4 Update to online LENR reaction prediction system From: Jürg Wyttenbach Of course! How else should I be able to give you an estimate?? Well in the case of Rossi he was able to borrow or invent numbers, while claiming they were measured with SEM and then when he has to swear to it in a court proceedings – he admits that the fake isotope date did not come from real measurements, but were invented for the purpose of “competitive advantage”. I have read your paper- “Does the quantization of the proton magnetic moment explain LENR?” and I like the premise - but do not find data wrt a silver isotope being transmuted from Pd. Could you steer me to the data for this kind of transmutation ? TIA Jones I
RE: [Vo]:ni and ca
From: Jürg Wyttenbach Of course! How else should I be able to give you an estimate?? Well in the case of Rossi he was able to borrow or invent numbers, while claiming they were measured with SEM and then when he has to swear to it in a court proceedings – he admits that the fake isotope date did not come from real measurements, but were invented for the purpose of “competitive advantage”. I have read your paper- “Does the quantization of the proton magnetic moment explain LENR?” and I like the premise - but do not find data wrt a silver isotope being transmuted from Pd. Could you steer me to the data for this kind of transmutation ? TIA Jones I
RE: [Vo]:ni and ca
From: Jürg Wyttenbach ➢ Due to our measurements the reaction 105Pd + D*-D*-->109Ag is always running and consumes some Pd. I would roughly estimate that about 105 105Pd disappear for 3kW/s. we have about 1018 there what gives quite a good live time for 3kW. Jürg – The silver which you predict should be measurable. Have you actually measured it ?
RE: [Vo]:ni and ca
Piantelli does have similar technology based on nickel - and actually (historically) he was the first by a few months – that is: the first to report thermal gain results without palladium - ahead of Mills in 1989 and only months after P That did not stop Mills from getting the landmark patent – the one that just recently expired - since he (Mills) developed a formal and coherent theory for “why” certain metals work (based on Rydberg energy gaps in the ionization potential) … And at least with the USPTO and with investors, there has been no real competition from Piantelli, Rossi or anyone else for Mills when it comes to raising capital to pursue anomalous thermal gain. And history is written by the winners, but in this case Mills may not be the ultimate winner. Mills has raised well over $100 million and Piantelli almost nothing. Investors could be wrong on their bets of course – as they were with Rossi, but essentially most of the money in the entire field of LENR has been raised by Mills. This is true even though Mills does not use the LENR designation for his technology. Piantelli’s company - Nichenergy – founded ten years ago, has been a notable flop. No great papers, claims or theories have come from it - and nothing presently on the horizon which even comes close to the recent Mizuno breakthrough. It could well be that in the end – the stubbornness of both Mills and Piantelli - to avoid using palladium, which was due to P and their major IP priority for that metal - was fatal and doomed their efforts from the start - despite being ever so close. Apparently, and as always these observations are pending replication – but it looks like even a very thin layer of palladium over a nickel substrate is one key to success along with very low internal pressure – even milligrams of Pd is enough to see kilowatts of heat if it has been applied as a nanostructure. Absolutely incredible! That this result could happen in the way that it appears to have happened, and it has baffled almost every expert. As of now, calcite inclusions may be needed, as well as nano-palladium but that should be verified soon. The main thing is that this is a fabulous time to be following the field after 30 years of controversy. Not that there isn’t going to be plenty of controversy remaining, be all the issues are now brought into clear focus based on the Mizuno breakthrough. The jury is still out on several key issues but we have to say this much – Hat’s off to Mizuno ! You da man, bro. From: Axil Axil wrote: >From the piantelli patent, just about any transition metal will support the >LENR reaction. - If one subscribes to a Millsean approach, palladium is somewhat unique In the Periodic Table in that it is relatively non-reactive with oxygen or other oxidants while having an ionization potential which is near the first Rydberg level at 27.2 eV. Nickel alone has no such “entry level” Rydberg value … The four other metal substitutes for Pd at the first Rydberg level are Mo, Zn, Cu and Cs – and all of them plus bare protons have assorted chemical reactivity problems meeting requirements for catalyzing the first drop in orbital according to Mills. This is according to my older version of his theory which may have changed. Hydrogen ions (bare protons) also qualify as self-catalytic but they are usually too reactive. Any of these metals would be interesting as a catalyst substitute for expensive palladium – but all are relatively reactive in ways which could quench the effect. The best realistic catalytic fit is molybdenum and as an inexpensive di-sulfide it would be interesting to try. It is commonly available as a lubricant and relatively unreactive. From: Nicholas Cafarelli Recent posts make me wonder if the Palladium is required. What would happen if the Nickel mesh were only burnished with a Nickel rod after the tap water treatment? Is this an example of simplication? Simplification through elimination.
RE: [Vo]:ni and ca
If one subscribes to a Millsean approach, palladium is somewhat unique In the Periodic Table in that it is relatively non-reactive with oxygen or other oxidants while having an ionization potential which is near the first Rydberg level at 27.2 eV. Nickel alone has no such “entry level” Rydberg value … The four other metal substitutes for Pd at the first Rydberg level are Mo, Zn, Cu and Cs – and all of them plus bare protons have assorted chemical reactivity problems meeting requirements for catalyzing the first drop in orbital according to Mills. This is according to my older version of his theory which may have changed. Hydrogen ions (bare protons) also qualify as self-catalytic but they are usually too reactive. Any of these metals would be interesting as a catalyst substitute for expensive palladium – but all are relatively reactive in ways which could quench the effect. The best realistic catalytic fit is molybdenum and as an inexpensive di-sulfide it would be interesting to try. It is commonly available as a lubricant and relatively unreactive. From: Nicholas Cafarelli Recent posts make me wonder if the Palladium is required. What would happen if the Nickel mesh were only burnished with a Nickel rod after the tap water treatment? Is this an example of simplication? Simplification through elimination.
[Vo]:Patterson (James), Mizuno and the nano-gods
Years ago (~25) the trendiest technological breakthrough in LENR was the microbeads of James Patterson. There is some similarity in assessing that episode to the present case of Mizuno, even as we are anticipating a better outcome. Here is a poorly written Wiki page on the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson_power_cell Which gives way too much credit to the skeptics. Patterson was doing nano before nano became cool, as they say … ahead of the world-changing advancements that nanotechnology now seems to be opening up (even though we are not there yet). There is little doubt that he had strong gain at times but could not reproduce it himself. Moreover, Patterson was secretive, and failed to grasp the operative mechanism of his own technique. Possibly there was a simple detail which went overlooked… like a tap water rinse. In retrospect – and assuming Mizuno is replicated – the moral to the story could be this – drop the secrecy, drop the vanity and greed, and let others have full and complete understanding of the anomaly you have found. In the Patterson CETI cell, it could very easily have been the case that there was the same overlooked detail like calcite, which went unnoticed. Moreover, even today with the benefit of several decades of mixed results in LENR there could easily be another key ingredient besides or in addition to the those which are obvious - which Mizuno is/was not completely aware of – even now. There was way too much secrecy back then in the Patterson era – and millions went unclaimed because of what can be best described as a failure to see the big picture, Mizuno, to his credit sees the big picture and yet there may still be annoying details out there which are lurking. It seems that in the nano world, the nano-god giveth and the nano-god taketh way… meaning that something as simple as going from 100 nm in thickness down to 30 nm is the difference between no gain and large gain. The recent video from DeNeum in Estonia of all places, is the type of thing which could really make a difference if it turns out to be even half as robust as the Mizuno efforts. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a good vid is worth 100,000. In fact, perhaps that video will spur many more of them along the way towards eventual success – and especially from Master Mizuno himself. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
From: Brian Ahern ➢ The calcium is more than intriguing. It could finally knock down the door for lenr. Out of curiosity – in googling and checking for Mills patents which specifically mention calcium, and which could be relevant to the Mizuno breakthrough, there is one notable monstrosity of interest, US Patent # 6,024,935 For those who do not believe in coincidences – this landmark has recently expired … when? You ask … …that would be: ta da … TODAY (August 1) ! Supposedly this patent disclosure held the record for length and number of claims at USPTO for years - and it probably cost more to file and maintain than anything before or after.. In fact, the Patent office reportedly changed the filing guidelines in response to this tour de force, but alas for Mills it may be of little real value since he could not bring a device to market soon enough. Even expired – those who know Mills expect he will somehow get his foot in the door… and possibly he deserves some credit – if only for the complexity of the patent disclosure. US Patent # 6,024,935 (February 15, 2000) Lower-Energy Hydrogen Methods and Structures by Randell Mills, et al. https://patents.google.com/patent/US6024935A/en A detail which stands out is that calcium works as a compound as a compound with arsenic. Let’s hope Mizuno’s water contained no arsenic. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
Arnaud – yes, thanks for mentioning that there are a number of LENR papers where calcium and palladium show up together in a sandwich of sorts. Actually there are quite a few papers, including many from Italian researchers. This opens up a curious situation. Typically… in the LENR specific papers there will be the unmistakable sign of nuclear activity such as transmutation and radioactivity. These are totally and completely absent from Mills work. (his IP depends on it) Like Mills, Mizuno shows none of that proof of nuclear activity in this experiment - yet both types show substantial excess heat. And notably for Mizuno, as for Mills, nickel is by far the most available catalyst which may indicate several details which other have long believed to be true. These would include 1) Mills describes the early stages of a gainful reaction which does not eventually proceed further to show signs of nuclear activity. 2) LENR shows these signs if the experiment continues for long enough and without a host matrix which inhibits full “shrinkage” of hydrogen 3) Densification of hydrogen will therefore proceed to a nuclear outcome unless the main host metal inhibits that outcome. 4) Palladium does not inhibit a nuclear outcome and in fact promotes it 5) The presence of nickel seems to inhibit the progression of the reaction at a certain point - so that a nuclear outcome is avoided while anomalous heat is evident. 6) The inhibition of a nuclear outcome could relate to ferromagnetism in nickel ! 7) Mills entire body of IP is built around the lack of nuclear reaction – so he will almost always use mostly nickel to avoid the nuclear end result 8) The Mizuno breakthrough has ZERO mention of any nuclear outcome, and he uses mostly nickel 9) Thus – connecting the dots - the Mizuno experiment is closer to Mills than it is to LENR and in fact illustrates the merger of the two technologies and the clear dividing line which is a ferromagnetic host. Therefore and in conclusion – one premise to consider in the “big picture” is that LENR and Hydrino-tech are different aspects of the same underlying dynamics. Palladium is far more active than nickel but when most of the palladium has been switched over to nickel – the result will look more like a Mills experiment since the nickel has effectively stopped the progression of shrinkage – possibly at the 1/11 Rydberg level. Lots of excess heat with little of no other signs of nuclear activity. Jones From: Arnaud Kodeck Jones, Keep in mind that CacO3 decomposes to CaO in a dynamic vacuum with a temperature as low as 200°C. In the backing process in dynamic vacuum, the crystal CaCO3 in the mesh is decomposed to CaO. CaO has been recognized as a catalyst of LENR by another team in Japan (Permeation of D2 in a layered Pd/CaO sandwich) Arnaud From: JonesBeene Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d
RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Really nice insight by Alan. -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursorto all future devices
Hawking radiation may be real but the evidence for it seems to indicate that it is far too weak to be relevant in LENR even of UDH is identical to dark matter.
RE: [Vo]:Hardness of nickel wrt palladium and also Johnson-Matthey "Type A"
>From an Infinite Energy article on the active alloy of palladium for LENR >excess heat … written by Jed Rothwell. If this information is still accurate >then Mizuno must be using Type A palladium. “Type A” Palladium For many years Martin Fleischmann has recommended a particular type of palladium made by Johnson-Matthey. He handed out several samples of this material to experienced researchers, and, as far as he knows, in nearly every test the samples produced excess heat. Fleischmann calls this material “Type A” palladium. It was developed decades ago for use in hydrogen diffusion tubes: filters that allow hydrogen to pass while holding back other gasses. It was designed to have great structural integrity under high loading. It lasts for years, withstanding cracking and deformation that would quickly destroy other alloys and allow other gasses to seep through the filters. This robustness happens to be the quality we most need for cold fusion. The main reason cold fusion is difficult to reproduce is because when bulk palladium loads with deuterium, it cracks, bends, distorts, [snip] “You could perform thousands of tests for cold fusion with ordinary palladium and never see measurable excess heat.” End of Rothwell quote https://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue30/RothwellIE30.pdf . Given there is conflicting information floating around concerning the relative hardness of nickel vs palladium - perhaps more attention should be directed to this detail. Apparently all of the direct comparisons agree that nickel is indeed softer than palladium unless it has been work hardened (as when it is drawn into wire). It is indeed drawn into wire to make mesh, normally so it should be harder than Pd... end of story. Catch-22 when drawn nickel is to be woven to make the wire mesh then it is almost always first annealed as it is too hard to weave, otherwise. When annealed it is softer. Opps. Nickel does not re-harden after a heat treatment and quench so the normal mesh should, on paper, be too soft for burnishing with Pd. In short - it should NOT be possible to use a palladium rod to coat nickel mesh unless the nickel has been work hardened, which it has been in order to make wire - BUT when wire is woven into mesh it is most often but not always annealed to make it softer. So the bottom line is that nickel wire must hardened and not annealed in order to coat it and yet this detail is not mentioned... yet there is more. One exception to this hardness issue would be if the rod being used to apply the Pd was made from J-M Type A palladium, which is considerably softer than pure. I double checked and nowhere could I find the composition of the palladium rod. There are several relevant papers and I may have missed it. Does anyone know? BTW - Some of this detail about Type A goes back a decade or more to when BARC in India discovered that the alloy used in palladium filters (which is Type A) was testing dramatically better at excess heat than pure Pd. Later in France IIRC, Type A was used for the hero results. Normally it would be specified by anyone following P protocol. Prior to BARC, it was thought that Silver prevents full deuterium loading, but there is scant evidence for that, and anyway - in the new Mizuno technique, high loading is to be avoided so it makes sense that the rod would be Type A or else the nickel was not annealed before weaving. Given the cost of palladium these days, I suspect it could be a rod that Mizuno has owned for some time and he may not have been fully aware that it was Type A alloy. Hopefully Jed will have the answer to this ...
[Vo]:Biological LENR
Changed subject heading --- Prior heading managed to set the record for worst ever example of mindless misspelling From: Axil Axil http://www.jmcchina.org/html/2019/1/20190101.htm ➢ Replication of biologic transmutation using a chemical reaction. Good find. The subject of biological LENR (or at least anomalous nuclear processes) – found in several forms of life and derived from evolutionary pressure - turns up periodically, often with the name Louis Kervran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corentin_Louis_Kervran This particular subject is more discomforting to skeptics of LENR than is cold fusion itself – mainly because there is compelling proof and wider implications, which is often ignored. Notably the Wiki article above omits the large amount of positive evidence from US government funded research which is supportive of biological transmutation especially transmutation of potassium into calcium – where the underlying evolutionary pressure is procreation (egg shells). I am happy to see this Chinese approach - which shows a parallel chemical pathway – which offers completely independent support to the evolutionary pathway which is found in avians. The next step could be in the insect world – especially the butterfly which can navigate over vast oceans for months - including hundreds of miles traveled at nighttime without solar capture or weight loss. This capability could involve photoluminescence in some unknown way and probably SP (surface plasmons) which may be the route to hydrogen densification with energy derived from redundant ground states.
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor to all future devices
“The energy release per atom would be useful, to narrow down the possibilities.” Yes. No doubt this detail would be very useful to know, but is it even possible to know? Probably NOT as of now – since it makes a fundamental assumption which is not proved. That fundamental assumption is that energy release happens only once per atom – as in fusion. At first this seems to be a logical assumption, but fusion is not yet proved. If atoms produce lesser energy sequentially (still giving up mass) then the energy per atom would not be relevant since any atom could radiate excess energy several times or several million times during the run. At this point we do no need to be specific about the details of the alternative mechanism to show the logical error, but there are several recognized possibilities that actually make as much sense as fusion including a version of the Hotson theory. One particular operative mechanism which could change perceptions is related to the experimental findings which have been provided by Hora, Miley, Winterberg and Holmlid, et al. going back many years, which involve Bose-Einstein clustering. There is no apparent limitation on how many times an individual atom can give up mass-energy in the Coulomb explosion if and when they occur sequentially. To complicated matters – these experts suggest that the BEC cluster can act as an extremely efficient fusion target to be imploded with a laser. In that case the energy release per atom in the cluster would be less than the fusion of two deuterons – on average but the helium is thereafter unreactive so energy per atom would be useful to know. There are other alternative mechanisms for gain not involving fusion. These researchers also suggest or imply that clustering “alone” can produce significant excess energy with no fusion and/or a delayed nucleon annihilation event. Here, we find the sequential Coulomb explosion where atoms can participate many times. Moreover, the Coulomb explosion is presently a proved mechanism with a signature emission which has been documented via experiment. In contrast there is no documented fusion evidence from the Mizuno breakthrough - as of now. It is a mistake to assume that this proof is just around the corner. It may not happen. I predict it will not. If one is firmly convinced that deuterium fusion must be happening in the new Mizuno breakthrough due to the robustness of the output or their own per theory or patent - be prepared to jump- ship since there is NO report of helium which is an absolute requirement to prove that particular mechanism . Until that time that substantial helium-4 is detected – the only gainful outcomes we know of now from the published record are non-fusion and one of them relates to the ~630 eV emission from Coulomb explosions. This gain is probably nuclear related but also probably not related to nuclear fusion, unless fusion is time-shifted in the QM sense so as to replace a deficit. Jones
[Vo]:Solar could be the death of LENR for the grid level segment... but hey … that's OK.
Despite the Mizuno breakthrough, assuming it is real – the commercial baseline power game has changed drastically in the past few years - all over the World. Who woulda’ thunk it? This PV story from last year and others like it - predicted the cost of solar panels to drop below 25 cents per watt capacity by 2022 and the cost of electricity to under 2 cents per kilowatt-hr for grid operators. https://www.pv-magazine.com/2018/05/25/the-path-to-us0-015-kwh-solar-power-and-lower/ Actually – that prediction has already happened - way ahead of schedule and a further drop is ongoing. Solar and wind are the lowest cost power option for the grid now - and coal is deader than N Kelsey’s nuts, as they say … while that despicable zombie - ITER should be even shuttered immediately in a sane world. Why not close ALL of the wasteful hot fusion boondoggles and use the cash to finance a few more Gigafactories instead? Batteries will rule for some time especially if the Tesla/Maxwell hookup bears fruit. Where does this ongoing sea-change in power cost leave LENR? In two words: portable power. This market is not too shabby - even if you can only get low penetration. Automobiles and aerospace look to be the major emerging markets for LENR - and the grid will further embrace wind and solar. Even home space heating will probably move to heat pumps powered by Solar/wind electricity. The price of palladium will skyrocket. These dynamics seem to be locked in place for the next decade. But hey… that reality is far from a bad thing – even for the LENR proponent. Portable power is a trillion dollar market, and even if batteries charged by solar/wind prevail in that market – there many excellent market niche’s for LENR to thrive… … assuming Mizuno is correct.
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor to all future devices
From: H LV ➢ How much of the energy in a nuclear reaction is actually due to mass change? Is there any reason to think that it would not be all? Even if sequential hydrogen cluster formation is responsible for the gain, and there is no fusion at all - the ultimate source of that heat would still be nuclear mass.
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be theprecursor to all future devices
Thanks. In addition to the cold trap technique which Russ George mentioned and offered to help with - there is this: https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.1143286 “Separation of helium and deuterium peaks with a quadrupole mass spectrometer by using the second stability zone in the Mathieu diagram” From: Jed Rothwell JonesBeene wrote: Good point. Jed knows the details of the mass spec Mizuno had available, which was damaged in the earthquake. IIRC it was being repaired when the paper was written and its present status has not been reported. Perhaps he will comment on this. ULVAC quadrupole mass spectrometer: model YTP-50M. Built in precision meter, ULVAC, GCMT G-Tran ISG-1 I do not know if this has the umph to measure helium. It is working. The SEM is still busted and will take $20,000 or $30,000 to fix. Surely Mizuno was looking for helium before his lab was destroyed - so it is expected that he knows how to resolve the small mass difference. I do not know if he did this or not.
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be the precursor to all future devices
Good point. Jed knows the details of the mass spec Mizuno had available, which was damaged in the earthquake. IIRC it was being repaired when the paper was written and its present status has not been reported. Perhaps he will comment on this. Surely Mizuno was looking for helium before his lab was destroyed - so it is expected that he knows how to resolve the small mass difference. It would certainly be most informative to have information about helium as a first priority… From: russ.geo...@gmail.com If one is working with a quadrapole mass spec, and especially a small one like an RGA it will be impossible to devolve the peaks of 4He and D2. Only by being certain that little D2 is present by trapping it in a cold or getter trap on the way to the mass spec can one ever be certain that the sample is 4He instead of D2. The practice is clearly informative as one learns the operation of the RGA with and without the cold trap.
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely tobetheprecursor to all future devices
Reality Check. Surprisingly, nuclear fusion of deuterium into helium seems NOT sufficiently energetic to account for the Mizuno claim of heating his home. Mass is apparently being converted into energy, but how? And what are the ramifications of such a low reactor inventory of deuterium gas? The main contenders for excess energy production would be: 1) D+D -> He 2) Deflation of electrons – i.e. the Millsean approach 3) Disintegration of deuterons into muons – Holmlid’s theory - which is far more energetic than fusion in terms of entropy per unit of mass 4) Sequential Coulomb explosions from cluster formation –hypothesis from Hora, Miley etc. 5) Any combination or permutation of the above If fusion of D into He is your choice - then one gram of fused deuterium yields 10^12J (one terajoule)of energy, but when based on the low operating pressure of 100-300 Pa (100 Pa = .001 bar) and the need for low metal loading, as stated in his paper - that set of factors represents a tiny fuel inventory, such that when completely fused into helium would generate about 278 kilowatt hours of equivalent heat. If Mizuno was producing close to 3 kW continuous to heat his house in a Sapporo winter, he could run it for only about 100 hours without a refill if the gain was from fusion and the inventory was at the low end of his specs. At any rate, if the gain was from nuclear fusion only - then almost all of the deuterium would be converted, and the helium ash should be easily measurable. There should be no need for a cold trap to increase the helium ratio – the residual gas after less than a week should be almost all helium, no? Even if these calculations are off by a large factor, the helium content should be obvious. IOW – in the naïve assessment of the breakthrough claim of Mizuno – specifically the heating of his home – after 100 hours or so of operation, there should be a whopping milligram of helium and little deuterium in the reactor to measure. In contrast – Holmlid’s theory proposes deuteron disintegration (with inadvertent fusion). His theory suggests that about 4 GeV of mass-energy per every two atoms of deuterium lost could be converted into energy. This is about 150 times MORE potential energy per unit of mass (converted into energy) than can be derived from fusion into helium. On the surface, then – fusion of deuterium into helium appears to be too weak a reaction to account for the Mizuno claims of heating his home, and only the Holmlid effect would have an adequate output. Why isn’t the Holmlid effect the favored hypothesis? Jones
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be theprecursor to all future devices
From: Jürg Wyttenbach ➢ In the Mizuno case we certainly will see 4-He with a 4-He a part > that 106 of the 3-He part. Jürg If Mizuno is producing helium then it should show up very distinctly when he looks for it- since the total gas inventory is so low and the power is so high that the ratio of He:D after along run will leave no doubt. As of now – that evidence is lacking. It is too bad that we do not have more information now – as this experiment is uniquely positioned to see it and if fount then it makes a huge difference in what to expect from future devices. I’m on record as predicting there will be none, well … only incidental Helium – possibly unmeasurable. Mizuno clearly states nickel is the host reactant – not the tiny amount of palladium. Where is the reliable evidence for helium being produced from nickel/deuterium? Jones
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to betheprecursor to all future devices
From: Jed Rothwell ➢ I assume there is one fundamental cause of cold fusion in all systems. It is the same thing in all cases. This is similar to saying that fission is the same in reactors and bombs, although it looks and acts quite different. This “one fundamental cause” could be the problem – you are tied to an assumption which is not proved. The fission analogy is not useful. Of course such a basic logical error would hinder anyone’s ability to look beyond the limitations of the P effect – aka “cold fusion”. In fact in the earlier Mizuno work with nickel at higher pressure - cited in an older thread here - where Mizuno uses both protium and deuterium in different comparative runs at higher pressure - he gets actually better results (more excess heat) from protium than with deuterium. You cannot deny this result. To me this is solid evidence direct from Mizuno that there is more than “one fundamental cause” to excess heat – one being fusion and the other being very different; and thus all future devices must recognize that nuclear fusion is not required for excess heat. This is actually highly desirable as "fusion” alone opens the regulatory doors for all kinds of unnecessary government intrusion. Bottom line is that at least two fundamental causes of excess heat exist. Possibly more. One is nuclear fusion seen in electrolysis where typically lithium and high loading play a role. Another cause is a non-fusion reaction with nickel as the reactant, low loading is desirable, and no lithium is needed. A third possible reaction also acknowledged by Mizuno (and by Ed Storms) is sequential cluster formation with its signature radiation of 630 eV. That third one alone could be used for excess heat without the other two. The nickel reaction works with either hydrogen or deuterium and to confuse things it is probably based on a “nuclear coupling” of some kind - (mass converted into energy) but it is not “nuclear fusion.” It is pretty clear that both or all three fundamental causes for gain are valid over a thirty year history, and very different from each other - and no one knows this more clearly than Mizuno as it stands out prominently from his earlier papers. Jones
RE: [Vo]:If Mizuno is correct, this design is likely to be theprecursor to all future devices
The problem with any analysis being touted as the basis for future devices - is pinpointing the full and correct understanding of the operating principle. Unfortunately, the operating principle of this device is not well-described by Ed Storms. It would be a big mistake to apply Storms’ insight on palladium electrolysis to such an extremely different device. In fact that suggestion can be described as counter-productive. Storms theory was derived from electrolysis experiments at (generally) low power input and output and using (generally) lithium based electrolyte and notably the most reliable level of thermal gain is in the range of watts per gram of palladium. Storms finds that - by far (and we should emphasize “by far”) - the optimal energy for nuclear reactions in electrolysis is well under 10 watts and the drop off is extremely steep thereafter. This fits with the low powered experiments of many others and also a basis in QM. See Storms and Scanlan / Journal of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science 4 (2011) 17–31 FIG 1. The details of Mizuno’s breakthrough are far from electrolysis - devoid of any indication of nuclear fusion even at the kilowatt level. Importantly, high loading of hydrogen is to be avoided instead of being absolutely required. That detail is most telling. Morevoer, the thermal output is 100,000 times higher in terms of watts per gram of palladium – indicating that nickel is the active reactant and palladium serves mainly as a spillover catalyst and not a reactant for gain. Nickel - for the past 30 years is simply not associated with nuclear fusion at all, but is associated very closely with excess heat and EUV or soft x-rays – and in some of the best experiments to have shown up in Fusion the premiere journal. The nature of the reaction involving very low inventory of hydrogen and low loading - and Mizuno’s own recent writings point more to a dense hydrogen modality as framed by Holmlid, Piantelli, Hora, Miley, Winterberg, Mills, Meulenberg etc. etc. instead of and with limited relationship to cold fusion. This of course means that the underlying gain is NOT fusion but still “nuclear” (derived from nuclear mass) so LENR is the correct descriptor. The nucleus is intimately coupled energetically to electrons and the binding energy of the nucleus can be shared and thermalized into heat at an impressive level (as Mizuno has hopefully demonstrated). The gain comes from the strong force via QCD. Any fusion seen will be incidental and insufficient to explain kilowatts of excess heat. IMHO - the lure and lore of “cold fusion” per se will probably take another hit when it is found that the Mizuno breakthrough is not fusion at all - but at the same time, it is indeed nuclear. Jones
RE: [Vo]:SPIN-LATTICE COUPLING
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com ➢ In the 1960’s there was reported to be a rapid heating of large steel block Sandia was trying to magnetize. The block turned white hot in an instant, but did not melt. The research went dark. I can not find a reference to that work to this day…It may have been a resonant coupling of magnetic spin energy with the lattice. (Also it may have been rapid reaction of hydrogen in the lattice with iron.) Either way there should be a report. This sounds like a form of “recalescence” which is a type of strongly energetic phase-change. A lack of a report could be simply to avoid liability should there have been an injury. That was typical even at the big labs fifty years ago. Significant heat transfer can occur inadvertently during the heating/cooling cycle of iron (iron in particular and other metals as well). Many horrible accidents in steel mills have been attributed to this type of phase change since it is not fully understood. The dynamics of recalescence result in a surprisingly robust and sudden temperature surge during cooling - and even a “remelt” without additional heat - which is the extreme case since the molten steel can explode. It has been called a type of “cyrstalization heat” which can be tied to graphite content, but the thermodynamics of it are not completely understood. I doubt if there a conspiracy of silence at Sandia at least not in regard to this effect, although apparently it depends on the exact amount of carbon and the type of carbon in the iron which is seldom known with enough precision to avoid it. For instance, it could be possible for 2.1% graphitic iron to strongly reheat but 2.2% to behave normally.
[Vo]:Tesla electric motor reverse engineered
SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC … or maybe not for those interested in energy efficiency. For certain, this long video below will be of interest to anyone contemplating the purchase of an electric car… or to electric engineers. The speaker – Sandy Munro is an automotive expert who reverse engineered the Model 3 – and his unbiased comments are very insightful – ESPECIALLY related to the electric motor design. You can start the video about 10 minutes into it when he starts to talk about the Halbach array which makes the reluctance type electric motor far superior to any other electric motor in terms of efficiency and low weight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVnRQRdePp4 The Halbach array is the key. Best advice for those who want to make the switch to electric sometime soon: change is on the way and it will not hurt to wait until Tesla or someone elect gets the body right… while retaining the drivetrain advancements, and also powering it with the next generation of batteries (following the purchase by Tesla of Maxwell – the ultracap folks) who, as expected, already have a hybrid batt-cap supposedly ready to go into mass production. This should be the beginning of the end – towards the near-death of the ICE, which will probably never really die even after LENR is perfected, but may continue only as a small “range extender” like the Mazda Wankel (already prototyped)… but that is another subject. This Tesla Motors saga has been a truly remarkable industrial and societal change. Tesla is now worth more than GM or Ford, making it the most valuable U.S. automaker. A few years ago both of those genius companies thought Tesla was doomed to failure. Right. Even Toyota failed to get involved in a timely way. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Of interest - abandoned LENR patentapplicationUS20130044847A1
Well Bob, NASA is huge and as such they make a few mistakes here and there. We can still marvel at the things they did 40-50 years ago which they would have a hard time repeating today. But anyway sticking to LENR - here is some clarification on why they think neutron activation is not a problem - from a SciAm guest-blog piece written by Steve Krivit a few years ago https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/its-not-cold-fusion-but-its-something/ Basically their rationale is that their imaginary neutrons have a very large DeBroglie wavelength and therefore have a huge capture cross-section. Problem is – this is pure BS since there is a large body of experimental work from top labs on ultra-cold neutrons which do not demonstrate this claim and which they choose to ignore. What other miracle keeps captured neutrons from activating electrodes? Their answer: Shut up !!! Still, we must realize that NASA has sponsored LENR R - probably quite a bit of it - some of which was successful and it is reasonable to assume that they have information not available to the public. Experiment rules! From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com I have very little positive feelings about NASA’s ethics and their scientific/engineering capability From: JonesBeene I must have signed up to get notices from USPTO since neither the inventor nor the application is familiar. Anyway – today this effort to Patent a particular concept for a LENR reactor was abandoned by Dan Steinberg, whoever that is - and the claimed operational mechanism appears to be strongly influenced by the low momentum neutron conjecture of Widom and Larsen. Perhaps there is some connection. No wonder that it was abandoned. These neutrons have yet to be documented yet the hypothesis lingers on. “Apparatus and Method for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions” https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130044847A1/en Abstract Provided are a method and apparatus for low energy nuclear reactions in hydrogen-loaded metals. A nickel cathode is disposed inside a pressure vessel loaded with heavy water. The vessel is heated to a temperature at which nickel oxide is reduced in the presence of hydrogen. The cathode is electrified, thereby producing hydrogen at the cathode, which removes any oxide layer on the nickel. The nickel can therefore more easily be loaded with hydrogen. The nickel cathode preferably has embedded particles of neutron-absorbing and/or hydrogen absorbing materials, such as boron-10… Boron-10 appears to be the key to this particular claim – and the reason is clear. This isotope has a cross-section for low energy neutrons of at least 3840 barns – “bigger than a barn” so to speak and if you believe W got it right – then this would have been your winning lotto ticket. Never mind that the claim was never “reduced to practice”… as they say in Crystal City. Unless that is – you are old enough to remember so called “Zip fuel” …
