Re: [Vo]:The Fate of Dr. Ning Li

[Nicholas Palmer]

Anybody try any of the experiments? I played with cardboard pyramids in the
late 60s and my controlled experiments did not sweeten sugar solution,
sharpen razor blades, retard decomposition or more speedily germinate
seed...

On Thu, 3 Aug 2023, 02:37 Terry Blanton,  wrote:

> And then there's bug chitin:
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn/grebenn.htm
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 6:37 PM Frogfall  wrote:
>
>> Have a look at this report:
>>
>> NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program
>> https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19980201240
>> Published 1998
>>
>> This stuff was all quite open at the time.
>>
>> In the UK, British Aerospace was also funding antigravity studies, in the
>> shape of "Project Greenglow" - which was mainly Dr Ron Evans, who was based
>> at their Warton aircraft plant, in Lancashire.  At around that time I went
>> along to a talk Ron gave, organised by the Royal Aeronautical Society, at
>> Warton.  He described various aspects of his own project, as well as the
>> Evgeny Podkletnov work, and the NASA program.
>>
>> This was all activity that you could imagine would be described as "top
>> secret", if it cropped up in some fiction novel. However, the researchers
>> seemed to be approaching it as a totally non-classified and open area of
>> study.  For Ron Evans, it was just the continuation of a hobby interest,
>> prior to retirement.  And, as far as I can remember, the actual budgets
>> were tiny.
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:New investment

[Nicholas Palmer]

The list of 39 'teaming partners' also looks useful to let the world know
that CF never went away...

On Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 15:43 Jed Rothwell,  wrote:

> There is another document about this. Links are here:
>
> https://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=522
>
>

Re: [Vo]:New investment

[Nicholas Palmer]

Fan-bloody-tastic Terry!

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it


On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 at 00:41, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> Main site
>
>
> https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/LENR%20Project%20Descriptions%20FINAL.pdf
>
> On Sun, Mar 5, 2023, 7:40 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> From Jed
>>
>>
>> https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/LENR%20Project%20Descriptions%20FINAL.pdf
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 5, 2023, 7:34 PM Nicholas Palmer <
>> greendirectionconsult...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi. What was that list of new investment in 10 new CF projects? I've
>>> misplaced the link...
>>>
>>> Nick Palmer
>>>
>>> On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it
>>>
>>

[Vo]:New investment

[Nicholas Palmer]

Hi. What was that list of new investment in 10 new CF projects? I've
misplaced the link...

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:ARPA-E announces funding for 8 cold fusion projects

[Nicholas Palmer]

whoops... 33 years

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023, 15:47 Nicholas Palmer, <
greendirectionconsult...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This looks exciting - after 40 years
>
> Nick Palmer
>
> On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 14:19, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>
>> U.S. Department of Energy Announces $10 Million in Funding to Projects
>> Studying Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions
>>
>> ARPA-E Selects 8 Projects to Apply Scientific and Rigorous Approach
>> Focused on Specific Type of Nuclear Energy
>>
>> 02/17/2023
>>
>>
>> https://arpa-e.energy.gov/news-and-media/press-releases/us-department-energy-announces-10-million-funding-projects-studying
>>
>> More details:
>>
>>
>> https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/LENR%20Project%20Descriptions%20FINAL.pdf
>>
>> Recipients include:
>>
>> Amphionic (Dexter, MI
>> Energetics Technology Center (Indian Head, MD)
>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley, CA)
>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, MA)
>> Stanford University (Redwood City, CA)
>> Texas Tech University (Lubbock, TX)
>> University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, MI)
>> University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, MI)
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:ARPA-E announces funding for 8 cold fusion projects

[Nicholas Palmer]

This looks exciting - after 40 years

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it


On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 14:19, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> U.S. Department of Energy Announces $10 Million in Funding to Projects
> Studying Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions
>
> ARPA-E Selects 8 Projects to Apply Scientific and Rigorous Approach
> Focused on Specific Type of Nuclear Energy
>
> 02/17/2023
>
>
> https://arpa-e.energy.gov/news-and-media/press-releases/us-department-energy-announces-10-million-funding-projects-studying
>
> More details:
>
>
> https://arpa-e.energy.gov/sites/default/files/documents/files/LENR%20Project%20Descriptions%20FINAL.pdf
>
> Recipients include:
>
> Amphionic (Dexter, MI
> Energetics Technology Center (Indian Head, MD)
> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley, CA)
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, MA)
> Stanford University (Redwood City, CA)
> Texas Tech University (Lubbock, TX)
> University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, MI)
> University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, MI)
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Nicholas Palmer]

You suggested that the internet had been scrubbed of links, thus
insinuating a conspiracy to hide the truth. That google search shows that
there are still many links discussing it which haven't been scrubbed. If
the 'main' sites run by the crackpot inventor no longer exist because he
died and isn't paying the bills anymore, it's hardly surprising!

Nick Palmer


On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 at 17:04, Chris Zell  wrote:

> That google search turns up a huge number of references to thorium
> reactors. Generally, we don’t we don’t refer to the Chernobyl “battery” or
> Three Mile island “battery”. I am talking about a small device reputed to
> be simple and provide huge amounts of power – whose links are dead.  Google
> frequently leads searches far away from what was intended.
>
>
>
> Since the discussion is about Bearden – he thought Arie De Geus was
> murdered in regard to a potential radioactive battery patent.
>
>
>
> *From:* Nicholas Palmer 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2022 9:29 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone
>
>
>
> Chris Zell - what part of this in Jed's reply did you not understand?
>
>
> " A Google search for "thorium battery" (in quotes) turns up more than a
> thousand items "
>
>
>
> Nick Palmer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 at 14:34, Chris Zell  wrote:
>
> Ah, the expected narcissistic reply
>
>
>
> But I was talking about a thorium battery, not a reactor – as your
> citation seems to talk about. You know how to use google?  Many sites but
> not really about the reputed thorium plasma battery
>
>
>
> And then there was Arie De Geus and his patents.
>
>
>
>
> https://energyfromthorium.com/2014/04/13/mythology-thorium-car-thorium-plasma-batteries/
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fenergyfromthorium.com%2F2014%2F04%2F13%2Fmythology-thorium-car-thorium-plasma-batteries%2F=05%7C01%7CChrisZell%40wetmtv.com%7C77dd5fe570e8497ffcb408da4f37a5f0%7C9e5488e2e83844f6886cc7608242767e%7C0%7C0%7C637909397712202226%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=OW6Pm7V25G1uvnmaCN8f7OW56aHTxISNkdrFaa5Q0uE%3D=0>
>
>
>
> And here is a site denouncing the idea – loaded up with dead end links, as
> I said.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jed Rothwell 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2022 6:05 PM
> *To:* Vortex 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcheniere.org%2F=05%7C01%7CChrisZell%40wetmtv.com%7C77dd5fe570e8497ffcb408da4f37a5f0%7C9e5488e2e83844f6886cc7608242767e%7C0%7C0%7C637909397712202226%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=rGpw3B0q1DRwyMJ82eAj1F%2BgyYpsTMD6RX8iPUqZ6wo%3D=0>
> gone
>
>
>
> Chris Zell  wrote:
>
> I would say that the ‘thorium battery’ on the internet has been thoroughly
> scrubbed and every link eliminated.
>
>
> A Google search for "thorium battery" (in quotes) turns up more than a
> thousand items. Without the quotes, more than a million. There is an
> organization devoted to this topic. It is very much in operation, with
> academic meetings and so on:
>
> Thorium Energy Alliance
>
> https://thoriumenergyalliance.com/
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthoriumenergyalliance.com%2F=05%7C01%7CChrisZell%40wetmtv.com%7C77dd5fe570e8497ffcb408da4f37a5f0%7C9e5488e2e83844f6886cc7608242767e%7C0%7C0%7C637909397712202226%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=MmIlU9zQBSjKNIlzZxEavDerIOirpnS%2FOm6cgipMALg%3D=0>
>
>
>
>
> There were also rumors about strange deaths connected with it.
>
>
> These rumors probably have as much validity as what you just said. Which
> is to say, zero validity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *CAUTION:* This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization.
> Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the
> sender.
>
>
>
> *CAUTION:* This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization.
> Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the
> sender.
>

Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Nicholas Palmer]

Chris Zell - what part of this in Jed's reply did you not understand?

" A Google search for "thorium battery" (in quotes) turns up more than a
thousand items "

Nick Palmer



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 at 14:34, Chris Zell  wrote:

> Ah, the expected narcissistic reply
>
>
>
> But I was talking about a thorium battery, not a reactor – as your
> citation seems to talk about. You know how to use google?  Many sites but
> not really about the reputed thorium plasma battery
>
>
>
> And then there was Arie De Geus and his patents.
>
>
>
>
> https://energyfromthorium.com/2014/04/13/mythology-thorium-car-thorium-plasma-batteries/
>
>
>
> And here is a site denouncing the idea – loaded up with dead end links, as
> I said.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jed Rothwell 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2022 6:05 PM
> *To:* Vortex 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone
>
>
>
> Chris Zell  wrote:
>
> I would say that the ‘thorium battery’ on the internet has been thoroughly
> scrubbed and every link eliminated.
>
>
> A Google search for "thorium battery" (in quotes) turns up more than a
> thousand items. Without the quotes, more than a million. There is an
> organization devoted to this topic. It is very much in operation, with
> academic meetings and so on:
>
> Thorium Energy Alliance
>
> https://thoriumenergyalliance.com/
> 
>
>
>
>
> There were also rumors about strange deaths connected with it.
>
>
> These rumors probably have as much validity as what you just said. Which
> is to say, zero validity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *CAUTION:* This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization.
> Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the
> sender.
>

Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke

[Nicholas Palmer]

My Mitsubishi Ecodan air source heat pump works between -18 to +35°C...

https://library.mitsubishielectric.co.uk/pdf/book/PUZ-HWM140VHA_-BS#page-2

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it


On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 19:41, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> H LV  wrote:
>
>> When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as
>>> the most efficient heating option for an Atlanta home.
>>>
>>>
>> Apparently heat pumps have improved a lot over the last decade. This
>> article says they now work well down to -10F or lower.
>>
>
> I looked at one recently, to replace one of our furnaces. (We have one
> heat pump and two furnaces, for reasons beyond the scope of the
> discussion.) The ones they sell in Atlanta still cut out below 40 deg F.
> However, a Canadian correspondent tells me the ones in Canada use a
> geothermal heat sink rather than air. That makes sense. I saw one like that
> in Connecticut. If you could tie into underground water or a lake, you
> could use one in Antarctica, I suppose.
>
> Geothermal heat pumps and air conditioners are a lot quieter than air.
>
> This article describes geothermal heat pumps. It says they are expensive.
> I guess the other super-efficient ones are also more expensive which is why
> they are not recommended in Atlanta. We seldom have days below 40 deg F.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Whether Cold Fusion or Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions, U.S. Navy Researchers Reopen Case

[Nicholas Palmer]

Maybe just too much evidence has accumulated to ignore any more

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it


On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 22:58, CB Sites  wrote:

> Thanks Jed.  It's interesting to see the IEEE Spectrum leaving a crack
> open for further possibilities coming from CF research.   I noticed another
> article in the side panel from the same author that I thought I would pass
> along;
>
>
> https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/nuclear-fusiontokamak-not-included
>
> Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice Confinement Fusion
> NASA researchers demonstrate the ability to fuse atoms inside
> room-temperature metals
> By Michael Koziol
>
>
>  CHEERS.
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:59 AM Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> News report:
>>
>>
>> https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/cold-fusion-or-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-us-navy-researchers-reopen-case
>>
>> Whether Cold Fusion or Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions, U.S. Navy
>> Researchers Reopen Case
>>
>> Spurred on by continued anomalous nuclear results, multiple labs now
>> working to get to bottom of story
>>
>> By Michael Koziol
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:New book from Steve Krivit

[Nicholas Palmer]

They're not new. I've had copies for several years (at least 3). They are
hugely detailed. Notable is the history of anomalous stuff noted 100 years
ago that got forgotten once fission got discovered.

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it


On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 22:17, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> If it's a new book, why are the reviews dated 2017?  And "John
> Smith"...siriusly?
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:45 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>
>> See: Fusion Fiasco, by Steve Krivit
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2TDWIY
>>
>> "draw on formerly inaccessible archives"
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know the details about these "archives" ?
>>
>> Sounds like reason enough to order the Kindle version, which I did but
>> cannot get to it for a few hours.
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

[Nicholas Palmer]

Hi Terry,

I think it was Chris T or Jed R who pointed me towards Vortex way back
when. While we're reminiscing, I wonder if you might be able to clear up
something? I met Chris at his house not that long before he died and he
showed me something he was working on, which was the ' tile burn'
experiment from the 'Cincinnati group' He showed me a kitchen tile with a
1cm diameter hole burned right through it and said it was amazing to watch
it 'light up' when only 30 watts or so was used with a secret sauce. I
subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was zirconium.
I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be part of the
'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered zirconium can be used in
old style flash bulbs and pyrotechnics. Do you know if anything came of it?

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it


On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 05:08, Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:51 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM Robin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So if an insult was intended, none taken. :)
>>>
>>
>> No, Donk was my favorite character in "Crocodile Dundee".  Reminded me of
>> my uncle.
>>
>
> I joined this list over 2 decades ago at the encouragement of Chris
> Tinsley, who I met on the MUFON forum of CompuServe where I was a moderator
> and investigator for the Mutual UFO Network.  He encouraged me to join;
> whereby, I could ask questions of Hal Puthoff directly since he
> participated on Vortex at the time.  Chris also introduced me to Eugene
> Mallove, another UFO fan; although, a bit more reserved than Chris.
>
> Dr. Puthoff was very approachable and even open to answering questions
> about his involvement in Remote Viewing research among other things.
> Little did I know (not a reference to Scott :) that Chris got me here
> because I was skeptical of Cold Fusion and I learned the truth on the forum.
>
> Back then, the forum was fun with literally hundred of posts per week and
> a lot of jovial posts along with the science.
>
> So, no harm intended Robin.  It's just that I've wasted a lot of time on
> Randell Mills while the power industry has wasted a lot of money.  Pity
> that kind of money did not go to Fleischmann and Pons back in the day.
> But, hey, it was not meant to be.
>
> Cheers!
>

Re: [Vo]:Give It Up for Randell

[Nicholas Palmer]

Has Mills finally done it? Time (and peer reviewed publication),
will tell.

Nick Palmer


On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 16:54, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> ...one more time!
>
>
> https://revolution-green.com/blp-4-24x-gain-yielding-295-71-kw-net-excess-power-validated-unc-phd-randy-booker/
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Superconducting Metal Hydride

[Nicholas Palmer]

This brings to mind the 'Cincinatti group' in the 90s, who claimed to be
able to burn through tiles using only a few watts. The late lamented Chris
Tinsley
 showed me a tile which he had burned right through himself using the CCs
'secret sauce' which he told me contained zirconium
... coincidence? He said one ought to see it go when it 'lit up'!

Nick Palmer

On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it


On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 14:18, Jones Beene  wrote:

> I was hoping that this new discovery would show much tighter hydrogen
> spacing - in keeping with the various theories for dense hydrogen.
>
> However, the spacing is far from pico and not extremely compact at all,
> and therefore this may result may not be related to LENR.
>
> Fortunately, there is a lot of work going on in superhydrides - and this
> work aligns with the long-held suspicion that a transient form of
> superconductivity at greater than room temperature - and the occurrence of
> LENR are somehow related.
>
> Here is a related paper on another superhydride with a massive 9:1 atomic
> ratio. Ratios of nine or ten to one are possible with high pressure.
>
> https://phys.org/news/2019-10-impossible-superconductor.html
>
> It is only a matter of time until a breakthrough occurs in this field and
> the extreme pressures now being used, become superfluous.
>
>
>
> Terry Blanton wrote:
>
> *An international team of researchers has discovered the hydrogen atoms in
> a metal hydride material are much more tightly spaced than had been
> predicted for decades — a feature that could possibly facilitate
> superconductivity at or near room temperature and pressure.*
>
>
> https://scitechdaily.com/room-temperature-superconductor-breakthrough-at-oak-ridge-national-laboratory/
>
>

Re: [Vo]:AIP mentions cold fusion

[Nicholas Palmer]

Here's a voice from the past...

Did anyone ever consider using a Farnsworth Fusor as a source of low energy
neutrons to catalyse the putative Widom-Larsen pathway to LENR?

Nick Palmer


On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 15:20, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> QUOTE:
>
> Final FY20 Appropriations: National Science Foundation
> *Low-energy nuclear reactions.* The House report encourages NSF to
> “evaluate the various theories, experiments, and scientific literature
> surrounding the field of LENR,” which is most associated with the pursuit
> of cold fusion
> . It also
> directs NSF to “provide a set of recommendations as to whether future
> federal investment into LENR research would be prudent, and if so, a plan
> for how that investment would be best utilized.”
>
>
> https://www.aip.org/fyi/2020/final-fy20-appropriations-national-science-foundation
>
>
> Nothing will come of this.
>