Re: [Vo]:Crowdfunding and cold fusion
RE: [Vo]:Final response to Jojo Jaro2012/08/19 From Abd, Contrary to his [Jojo's] earlier statements, Jojo apparently does want to have the last word. So this is my last communication in response to him. I'm adding his email address to a deletion file. What took you so long? Regards, Steven -- OrionWorks - Steven Vincent JohnsonI agree! Will add to deletion file also.
Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King
See: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65904.html Old. Works. Chung New. http://pesn.com/2012/08/18/9602162_My_Visit_to_Inteligentry/ Though I went in skeptical, having recently visited with some frustrated manufacturers, I came away impressed. Working on 100 kw linear generator model from vortex. Chung --- On Tue, 8/21/12, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, August 21, 2012, 7:28 AM No, I don't believe anyone is doing Carbon nanohorns NAE, although I have a feeling that Ed Storms might have an inkling about this. He did mention to me that he was doing some Carbon nanotube experiments at one point and abandoned it for lack of results. In this hypothesis, Fusion will be strictly H+ and H+ or as some would call it p + p. This appears to be the simplest and easiest way to do it. I believe this is true because H+ having a unit charge of only +1, would be easier to screen. Although the hypothesis does not preclude H+ and C fusion. There would be no metal involved except as a growth catalyst. In synthesis of CNT on stainless steel substrate, it is possible to have embedded Fe nanoparticles due to tip growth of the CNTs, but I think they should be chopped off by the oxidation step. Jojo - Original Message - From: Peter Gluck To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Topology is Key. Carbon Nanostructures are King Jojo, All I can do is to wish you (the action) success, because we need it. Topology is the key, however the wall is the door- that is it participates in the nuclear reactions. Despite the fact I have followed the development from fullerenes to carbon tubes and graphene etc. A good friend was the editor of the first scientific journal dedicated to this nanocarbons. Is somebody somewhere preparing for testing the Carbon nanohorns idea? No problem for hydrogen/deuterium but how will be the metal dispersed in the nanohorns? Or do you think the reactions will be D + D and H + H? Fuel? Anyway very interesting idea. Peter On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Peter, No experimental facts yet. I am working from a theoritical top-down approach. However, I believe it shouldn't take long to get some kind of proof of concept, which I should be able to do when I am able to get back to the States. A go or no go decision can easily be reached, IMO. Expected amount of investment in actual reactors is less than $100. CVD equipment about $4000. SEM and TEM around $10,000 - $20,000. All in all, a very modest investment considering the potential benefits to humankind. My posts and my belief in Carbon Nanohorns structures is due to recognizing the prevalent shortcomings in our current experimental approach. This is due to limitations of our chosen platform. Let me elaborate: First, we need to recognize that Topology is Key. In essense, hunting for the right LENR process is essentially a hunt for the right topology. There are many problems with our current approach with metal lattice. Second, Reproducibility is very low in our experiments. I believe this is inherently due to the shortcomings of the metal lattice we are working with. As mentioned, metal lattice have a tendency to mutate due to metal migration, diffusion, sintering and melting. Hence, they are essentially one shot structures. A single fusion event essentially destroys your NAE. With a destroyed NAE, we can not examine what is the exact size and structure of that NAE that was successful. With Carbon Nanohorns on the other hand, a fusion event simply burns the top off the CNT, making it shorter but still has the right topological size and structure to host a subsequent fusion reaction, which it surely will, since it is the right size and structure. With lengths in the 7 mm range, you can host a significant number of fusion events until you burn your nanohorn down to a stub. This implies that we will always have a chance to reproduce that fusion event, giving us a chance to characterize exactly what that size and structure is. Imagine a landscape of various Carbon nanohorn sizes. Assume that a specific size and structure is the right size and fusion does occur. This results in shortening of that specific Carbon nanohorn. Subsequent fusions will invariably shorten that specific nanohorn even further. At the end of the day, identifyng the right size would simply be a matter of using an SEM to identify the shortest nanohorn
Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus
Meanwhile, Back in the Florida swamps LENR pioneer http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.i-b-r.org/NeutronSynthesis.pdfsa=Uei=nv4tUKGVHKSgywHMqYHQDwved=0CBkQFjACsig2=2jnJ7E68bs8RTEvQ80nLXAusg=AFQjCNHrasQAwAaBEkfYm1IQ61UuUIym_g gets rich via NASDAQ http://magnegas.com/announcing-the-purchase-of-manufacturing-facilities (Price Quote: $3.08 Aug. 16, 2012 Market Closed) Winners earn a living, take risks, scrimp and get their hands dirty while losers idle time away rattling a tin cup for a few bob and breaking wind with verbal diarrhea without self support. Each to its own. If the shoe fits, wear it. The spoiled baby boomer remains a baby, needing to put someone down in vain attempts to bolster themselves. Judgmental forays are worshiped as a commandment. However, take care! Noble Gas Engine stock also offered at about $3. Sounds like a Variation on a Theme of Rossi. Easy, easy ... Chung --- On Thu, 8/16/12, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Theory Panel Dissensus To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, August 16, 2012, 6:48 PM Like most predictions of string theory; super-symmetric particles, micro black holes, no one (AKA CERN) has detected them yet at any energy. CERN is way beyond any energy the cold fusion can reach or hot fusion for that matter. The prospects are grim. The string people are disappointed. Stringologists produce theory by the ton and none has been experimentally verified. Don’t stake your theories on strings. Strings are fringe science. Cheers:Axil On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Stewart Simonson cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Always slept well at night On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: OK, you are right, it did wake me up at night. Did you start having these dreams before or after you first read about quantum singularities? harry On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: No, I am not making it up and it was not a dream Physics is ultimately a work of the imagination. Over time some of those imaginings are retained and studied while others are dismissed or forgotten for lack of evidence and other times for reasons of fashion or politics and religion. Physics is not out there, it lives in you. Harry A charged black hole is a black hole that possesses electric charge. Since the electromagnetic repulsion in compressing an electrically charged mass is dramatically greater than the gravitational attraction (by about 40 orders of magnitude), it is not expected that black holes with a significant electric charge will be formed in nature. A charged black hole is one of three possible types of black holes that could exist in the theory of gravitation called general relativity. Black holes can be characterized by three (and only three) quantities, its mass M (called a Schwarzschild black hole if it has no angular momentum and no electric charge), angular momentum J (called a Kerr black hole if it has no charge), and electric charge Q (charged black hole or Reissner-Nordström black hole if the angular momentum is zero or a Kerr-Newman black hole if it has both angular momentum and electric charge). A special, mathematically-oriented article describes the Reissner-Nordström metric for a charged, non-rotating black hole. The solutions of Einstein's field equation for the gravitational field of an electrically charged point mass (with zero angular momentum) in empty space was obtained in 1918 by Hans Reissner andGunnar Nordström, not long after Karl Schwarzschild found the Schwarzschild metric as a solution for a point mass without electric charge and angular momentum. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Conductivity inversion effects in a metal wire/lattice. It is well understood that a singularity carries charge, angular momentum and radius like any other particle. It is also understood that when they evaporate they emit charged particles. This can have a direct effect on the conductivity of a metal. ah... so you are hypothesizing a particle with a set of special properties. Sometimes you refer to this particle by the name 'singularity' and other times you refer to it by the name 'gremlin'. Harry harry
Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine
Jo: 1. Go http://www.freepistonpower.com/fp3.aspx 2. Replace cylinder + head with Rohner engine parts. 3. Rohner Engineering make custom 100 kw model. 4. $12,800,000.00 5. Outsource work to CA engineering firm G. Cheap, Chung From: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 10:09 PM I am asking what the missing piece is? Why don't I see a Papp engine being sold anywhere? It's been 30 years, right? When something is said to be real and is taking more than 30 years to commercialize; I don't know about you but that raises a few questions in my mind. The same criticism goes for Randal Mills and others. What is the holdup? Rossi is not taking more than 30 years so he has a bit more credibility. Can I buy a fully functional engine from Rohner right now? An engine that I can hook to my 2KW generator so that I can have free power? And yes, I did see your post but a kit is a far cry from a fully functional engine. Why doesn't he sell a fully functional engine? I am prepared to buy one now if he has one for sale even it it is not certified. Jojo PS. As for badmouthing Bambi, it is never a waste of time to correct the criminal actions of a usurper-in-chief. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Judging from the tone of your criticism of my badmouthing of bambi, that you think I am out of place and unfair to do so? - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine John Rehner has done the same thing that Robert Godes founder of Brillouin Energy has done; create a nanoeceond high power elecric pulse controller. Like any engine, timing is all important. With proper timing the engine will run will with little or no bad nuclear byproducts. What John Rehner wants to sell is his control boards, his freqency generator, and his spark controller. The cost of his engine in mass production is $300. It can be built mostly of plastic. Rohner is hoping the customers will buy his stuff rather than build the engine on their own. It is open source and not protected in any way since the patent is laped long ago. You saw may post on the kit Rohner sells, right... or were you too occupied in bad mouthing Obama (aka... a waste of time)? See http://www.rohnerengineering.com/pix/OurMBs.jpg Cheers: Axil On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Axil and others, What would it take to commercialize the Papp engine. In other words, what else is needed in terms of development that still needs to be done for the first commercial engine that I can buy from Lowe's. How much money would it take for it to become a real engine that can drive my generator. If it is not at this level, what else needs to be done. I'm pretty sure it is NOT just a matter of throwing money into it. I don't believe it is just a matter of raising funds for its development cause I can't believe that there isn't a millionaire out there who would not jump at the chance to fund this technology if it is real. There has got to be still some fundamental issue with it why it is still not a real engine. What is that issue? I am not familiar with Papp engine technology so I am asking anyone who can answer. Jojo - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Noble Gas Plasma Engine You response confuses me. Jouni said: Better, are you serious? Axil thinks: You state the Rossi's reactor is superior in concept. True? Journi said: This engine would immediately transform Earth Civilization into Star Trek age (by 2014 into Type I and by 2050 even into Type II civilization at Kardashev scale). With this engine, we could travel into Mars in just six days and into nearby stars in one generation. Axil states: IMO, this is possible. But do you still think that the Rossi reactor is better? Journi said: Although this is far better than any perpetual motion machine fancier has ever hoped for, I am a big fan of this thing. Not that I would not think that it is way too good to be true, but it feels just utterly good to take some vacations from reality and go Rohner's web pages and dream a little bit of fairy-tale world, where there are no scarcity from any material needs. Axil states: I take this statement as an full throated endorsement of the
Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!
Yes. 4 plugs in row. Sequence. Into magnetic field from coil after. use one to inject RFG power. 3 spark. Pat now applied for. Chung --- On Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 3:01 AM G'Day, Bloke witnessed this operational and said it purred like a kitten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Warm Regards, Reliable
Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!]
Reliable, Yes. Fe pipe, 4 T's, then Cu pipe with both magnet DC coil winding for core field and Ni Cr coil winding for heat - Variac control. --- On Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please!] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 4:36 AM Chung, Are you referring to: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html where propane bled through T, then Cu tube wrapped with coil winding where DC fed in creates magnetic field core? Warm Regards, Reliable Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:57:15 -0700 Resent-From: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 02:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Te Chung chung...@ymail.com Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Yes. 4 plugs in row. Sequence. Into magnetic field from coil after. use one to inject RFG power. 3 spark. Pat now applied for. Chung --- On Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:Back to Reality on Earth, my friends, please! To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 5, 2012, 3:01 AM G'Day, Bloke witnessed this operational and said it purred like a kitten. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno Warm Regards, Reliable
Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy making waves
Gluck, IF this system is able to remove the three usual weaknesses of the majority of the pre-Rossi LENR systems i.e. low intensity, bad reproducibility and short duration. Peter Systems ok. Weakness only by operator. Easy. 10 Plate Heat Exchanger SS304 Copper Brazed 7.5 x 2.9 from dudadiesel Make nano Ni hexane mix. Put in exchanger. Vac pump dry. Pipe propane bleed through T with spark plug. Buzz ignition plug to make heavy H crystals and black soot. Water 90 C other side of duda gets pressure steam. Easy. Gluck Blog not permit comment. Use SLACKO OS. By, Chung
